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Contra Epistulam Parmeniani

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Augustine's Contra Epistulam Parmeniani (c. 400 CE) is a polemical letter responding to the Donatist bishop Parmenian. Written during the Donatist controversy, it defends Catholic positions on baptism and church unity through theological argument and exegesis. The work survives in manuscripts from the 9th century onward, with the CSEL edition (1908) as the standard critical text. It was later cited by medieval canonists, including Gratian's Decretum, on the validity of sacraments from heretical ministers. Augustine's arguments are context-specific and do not necessarily reflect his final views.

Contra Epistulam Parmeniani is a key text in the Donatist controversy, shaping later Catholic ecclesiology and sacramental theology. It was cited by medieval canonists, notably in Gratian's Decretum, as a source on the validity of sacraments from heretical ministers. The work also preserves fragments of Parmenian's lost letter and Tychonius's views, offering insight into Donatist internal debates.

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Augustine wrote Contra Epistulam Parmeniani around 400 CE in Roman North Africa, during the height of the Donatist controversy. The Donatist church, which had split from the Catholic communion over the consecration of Caecilian of Carthage (312 CE), maintained that sacraments administered by traditores (those who had handed over scriptures during persecution) were invalid. Parmenian, Donatist bishop of Carthage (c. 362–391), had written a letter to the Donatist theologian Tychonius, now lost, which Augustine here refutes. The work is part of Augustine's broader anti-Donatist corpus, which includes treatises like De Baptismo and letters to Donatist leaders. The text survives in multiple medieval manuscripts, the earliest from the 9th century, transmitted through Carolingian scriptoria. The CSEL edition (1908) remains the standard critical edition, though it lacks a full apparatus of variant readings.

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II. CONTRA EPISTULAM PARMENIANI. LIBER PRIMUS. Multa quidem alias aduersus Donatistas pro uiribus quas dominus praebet partim scribendo partim etiam tractando disserui. nunc autem, quoniam incidit in manus nostras Parmeniani quondam episcopi eorum quaedam epistula quam scribit ad Tychonium, hominem quidem et acri ingenio praeditum et uberi eloquio, sed tamen Donatistam, cum eum arbitraretur in hoc errare quod ille uerum coactus est confiteri, placuit petentibus, immo iubentibus fratribus, ut hic eidem Parmeniani epistulae responderem propter quaedam maxime quae de scripturis testimonia non sicut accipienda sunt accipit. Tychonius enim omnibus sanctarum paginarum uocibus circumtunsus euigilauit et uidit ecclesiam dei toto terrarum orbe diffusam, sicut de illa tanto ante per corda et ora sanctorum praeuisum atque praedictum est. quo perspecto suscepit aduersus ipsos suos hoc demonstrare et adserere, nullius hominis quamuis sceleratum et immane peccatum praescribere promissis dei nec id agere quorumlibet intra ecclesiam constitutorum et quamlibet impietatem, ut fides dei de ecclesia futura diffundenda usque ad terminos orbis terrae, quae in promissis patrum retenta et nunc exhibita est, euacuetur.
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II. AGAINST THE LETTER OF PARMENIANUS. BOOK ONE. I have indeed often discussed many things against the Donatists, to the best of the abilities which the Lord provides, partly by writing and partly also by preaching. But now, since a certain letter of Parmenianus, once their bishop, has fallen into our hands—a letter which he wrote to Tychonius, a man indeed endowed with keen intellect and abundant eloquence, but still a Donatist, when he thought that Tychonius was erring in that which he was compelled to confess as true—it has pleased the brothers who requested, or rather commanded, that I should reply to this same letter of Parmenianus, especially on account of certain testimonies from the Scriptures which he does not accept as they ought to be accepted. For Tychonius, battered by all the voices of the sacred pages, awoke and saw the Church of God spread throughout the whole world, just as it was foreseen and foretold long before through the hearts and mouths of the saints. Having perceived this, he undertook to demonstrate and assert against his own people that no sin of any man, however criminal and monstrous, can prescribe against the promises of God, nor can the impiety of any persons whatsoever, however great, who are established within the Church, nullify the faith of God concerning the Church that was to be spread to the ends of the earth—a faith which was preserved in the promises of the fathers and is now exhibited.
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hoc ergo Tychonius cum uehementer copioseque dissereret et ora contradicentium multis et magnis et manifestis sanctarum scripturarum testimoniis oppilaret, non uidit quod consequenter uidendum fuit, illos uidelicet in Africa christianos pertinere ad ecclesiam toto orbe diffusam, qui utique non istis ab eiusdem orbis communione atque unitate seiunctis, sed ipsi orbi terrarum per communi. onem conecterentur. Parmenianus autem ceterique Donatistae uiderunt hoc esse consequens et maluerunt suscipere obstinatissimum animum aduersus apertissimam ueritatem, quam Tychonius asserebat, quam ea concessa superari ab Africanis ecclesiis, quae illius unitatis quam Tychonius asseruit communione gauderent, unde se isti separassent. et Parmenianus quidem primo eum per epistulam uelut corrigendum putauit; postea uero etiam concilio eorum perhibent esse damnatum. epistulae itaque Parmeniani quam scripsit ad Tychonium reprehendens eum, quod ecclesiam praedicaret toto orbe diffusam, et ammonens ne facere auderet, hoc opere statuimus respondere.
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Therefore, when Tyconius argued this vehemently and copiously, and blocked the mouths of his opponents with many great and clear testimonies of the holy Scriptures, he did not see what consequently had to be seen—namely, that those Christians in Africa belonged to the church diffused throughout the whole world, who, of course, were not separated from the communion and unity of that same world by these men, but were themselves connected to the whole world through communion. Parmenianus, however, and the other Donatists saw that this was the consequence, and they preferred to adopt the most obstinate attitude against the most evident truth that Tyconius was asserting, rather than, having conceded it, be overcome by the African churches that enjoyed the communion of that unity which Tyconius asserted, from which these men had separated themselves. And Parmenianus at first thought to correct him by letter; but later, according to their council, he is said to have been condemned. Therefore, we have decided to respond in this work to the letter of Parmenianus which he wrote to Tyconius, rebuking him for preaching the church diffused throughout the whole world, and warning him not to dare to do so.
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Illud itaque primum uideamus quale sit, quod Gallos et Hispanos et Italos et eorum socios, quos utique totum orbem uult intellegi, traditoribus Africanis commercio scelerum et societate criminum dicit esse consimiles. homini enim de scripturis sanctis proferenti tam multa et tam ingentia documenta ipse sine documentis loquitur et uult nihil probans credi sibi, inuitans eum uidelicet ad imitationem suam, quia et ipse quibusdam coepiscopis suis contra tot ecclesias per tantam latitudinem terrarum omnium constitutas non nisi loquentibus credidit. qua credulitate quid magis temerarium repperiri potest? dicit enim legatione functos quosdam, sicut ipse asserit, fidelissimos testes ad easdem uenisse prouincias; deinde geminato aduentu sanctissimorum, sicut ipse dicit, domini sacerdotum dilucide plenius ac uerius publicata esse quae obiciunt.s o hominem putantem sibi magis credi debere quam deo! profert Tychonius diuini testamenti tonitrua, quod factum est in promissione Abrahae et promissione Isaac et promissione Iacob, quorum se deum testatur dicens: ego sum deus Abraham et deus Isaac et deus Iacob; hoc mihi nomen est in aeternum, et iste opponit narrationes consacerdotum suorum. quid dictum est ad Abraham? semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes. quid dictum est ad Isaac? et benedicentur in semine tuo omnes gentes terrae, propter quod audiuit Abraham pater tuus uocem meam.
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Let us therefore first consider what sort of thing this is, that he says the Gauls, the Spaniards, the Italians, and their allies—by which he clearly means the whole world—are like the African traditors through a commerce of crimes and a fellowship of offenses. For a man who brings forward so many and such great proofs from the holy Scriptures, he himself speaks without proofs and wants to be believed without proving anything, inviting him, of course, to imitate himself, because he too believed certain of his fellow bishops who spoke against so many churches established throughout such a breadth of all lands, and who were nothing but talkers. What could be found more rash than such credulity? For he says that certain men, whom he himself asserts to be most faithful witnesses, came as envoys to those same provinces; then, by a second arrival of the most holy priests of the Lord, as he himself says, the charges were published more clearly, more fully, and more truly. O man who thinks that he himself should be believed more than God! Tyconius brings forth the thunder of the divine testament, which was made in the promise to Abraham, the promise to Isaac, and the promise to Jacob, whose God declares Himself, saying: “I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; this is my name forever.” And this man opposes the narratives of his fellow priests. What was said to Abraham? “In your seed all nations will be blessed.” What was said to Isaac? “And in your seed all the nations of the earth will be blessed, because your father Abraham heard my voice.
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quid dictum est ad Iacob? ego sum deus Abrahae patris tui et deus Isaac, ne timeas. terra enim supra quam tu dormis tibi dabo eam et semini tuo. et erit semen tuum sicut harena terrae et replebitur in mare et in africum et in aquilonem et in orientem. et benedicentur in te omnes tribus terrae et in semine tuo. ne autem hoc de Iudaeis dictum putent, quid sit semen Abrahae in quo dictum est benedicendas omnes gentes, exponat apostolus: Abrahae, inquit, dictae sunt promissiones et semini eius. non dicit (et seminibus' tamquam in multis, sed tamquam in uno 'et semini tuo', quod est Christus. in Christo ergo gentes omnes benedictionem habituras tanta auctoritate promissum est, tanta exhibitum ueritate, et contradicunt qui se christianos diei uolunt. et contra haec quid opponunt? legatione, ait, functi quidam fidelissimi testes ad easdem prouincias uenerunt; deinde geminato aduentu sanctissimorum domini sacerdotum dilucide plenius ac uerius esse publicatum. quid, quaeso te, quid per istos fideles testes, quos uultis esse deo fideliores, quid publicatum est? an quia per Afros traditores semen Abrahae, quod est Christus, non est permissum peruenire usque ad omnes gentes et ibi exaruit quo peruenerat? dicite iam collegis uestris magis credendum esse quam testamento dei, et haec dicentes ipsum testamentum uos a flamma conseruasse gloriamini, quod lingua delere conamini.
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What was said to Jacob? "I am the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; do not be afraid. For the land on which you sleep, I will give it to you and to your seed. And your seed will be like the sand of the earth and will be filled in the sea and in the south wind and in the north wind and in the east. And all the tribes of the earth will be blessed in you and in your seed." Lest they think this was said about the Jews, let the apostle explain what the seed of Abraham is in which it was said that all nations would be blessed: "Promises," he says, "were made to Abraham and to his seed." He does not say "and to his seeds" as if to many, but as if to one, "and to your seed," which is Christ. Therefore, that all nations would have the blessing in Christ was promised with such authority, exhibited with such truth, and those who wish to be called Christians contradict this. And against these things, what do they oppose? "Certain most faithful witnesses," he says, "who served as legates came to those same provinces; then, by a repeated arrival of the most holy priests of the Lord, it was clearly, more fully, and more truly published." What, I ask you, what was published through those faithful witnesses, whom you wish to be more faithful to God? Was it that through the African traditors the seed of Abraham, which is Christ, was not permitted to reach all nations and there dried up where it had reached? Tell your colleagues now that the testament of God is to be believed less than they, and in saying these things you boast that you have preserved the testament itself from the flame, which you are trying to erase with your tongue.
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Sed eligat quisque quod placet et, si contra caelestia fulgura mendacii terreni fumus aliquid praeualet, dimisso caelo euanescat in uentos. si enim Parmenianus non cathedrae suae faueret, magis eligeret scripturae dei credere quam collegis suis. deus enim dicit ad Iacob: non relinquam, donec faciam quae locutus sum tecum. istos autem multo est utique credibilius, quia iam iusto iudicio fuerant improbati, ad sociandam communionem in illis partibus, ubi iam deus complebat quod promiserat patribus nostris, non esse admissos et propterea de sanctis dei sacerdotibus, a quibus recipi non meruerant, iactasse talia, quibus infirmos animos deceptarum a se plebium falsis rumoribus agitarent et temere credulas mentes superbia sui nominis inretitas ab orbis terrarum pace dirrumperent. quid hac stultitia, immo uero dementia repperitur insanius? in tot gentibus orbis terrarum et ex magna parte compleuit deus et adhuc complet, donec ad omnes omnino ueniat quod promisit, qui dixit: non relinquam, donec faciam quae locutus sum tecum, et isti iam credunt nuntiantibus non impleri quae promisit deus, et ideo ex partibus . terrarum in quibus iam impletum erat perisse Abrahae semen, quod est Christus, et euacuatas promissiones dei, quia ipsi non sunt admissi ad eorum communionem, aput quos hoc iam retinebat orbis impletum, et non eis dicitur: 'solus deus uerax, omnis autem homo mendax mendax.
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But let each choose what pleases him, and if, against the heavenly thunderbolts, the earthly smoke of falsehood has any power, let him, abandoning heaven, vanish into the winds. For if Parmenianus were not partial to his own chair, he would rather believe the scripture of God than his own colleagues. For God says to Jacob: "I will not leave off until I do what I have spoken with you." But it is certainly much more credible that these men, having already been condemned by a just judgment, were not admitted to communion in those regions where God was already fulfilling what he had promised to our fathers, and that for this reason they boasted such things about the holy priests of God, by whom they had not deserved to be received, so that they might stir up the weak minds of the peoples deceived by them with false rumors and, having ensnared the rashly credulous minds with the pride of their own name, tear them away from the peace of the whole world. What is found more insane than this stupidity, or rather madness? Among so many nations of the world, God has in large part fulfilled, and still fulfills, until he comes to all completely, what he promised, who said: "I will not leave off until I do what I have spoken with you," and these men already believe those who announce that what God promised is not being fulfilled, and therefore that from the parts of the world where it had already been fulfilled, the seed of Abraham, which is Christ, has perished, and the promises of God have been made void, because they themselves were not admitted to the communion of those among whom the world already held this as fulfilled, and it is not said to them: "Only God is truthful, but every man is a liar.
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de uestro ista dicitis, quia qui loquitur mendacium de suo loquitur. uos ergo sicut homines mentimini, quia sicut homines irascimini'. non eis hoc dicitur, sed insuper creditur eis de orbe terrarum, quem possidere iam coeperat, perisse Christum. et qui haec credunt, cum impudenter dicerent: 'christiani sumus', - audent dicere: 'nos soli sumus'. Dicit etiam Parmenianus hinc probari consceleratum fuisse orbem terrarum criminibus traditionis et aliorum sacrilegiorum, quia, cum multa talia fuerint tempore persecutionis admissa, nulla postea facta est in ipsis prouinciis separatio populorum. quasi fieri non potuerit, ut partim latuerint mali neque fuerint accusati, ut possent sine ulla temeritate damnari, partim etiam proditi fuerint atque damnati et, quia rebus manifestis arguebantur, ab ecclesiis perturbandis diuidendisque cessauerint atque ita factum sit, ut, cum quidam non accusarentur, quaedam uero incerta crimina pro certa pace deo dimitterentur, quaedam autem ita manifestata et conuicta damnarentur, ut nullus damnatus posset simulata innocentia decipere populos, nequaquam unitatis uinculum rumperetur neque enim et in Africa fieret hoc tam immane praecisionis malum, nisi magis factio falsa fingentium quam ratio uera conuincentium praeualeret.
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You say these things about your own people, because "he who speaks a lie speaks from his own." Therefore you lie as men, because you are angry as men. This is not said to them, but moreover it is believed of them that Christ perished from the whole world, which they had already begun to possess. And those who believe these things, when they shamelessly said, "We are Christians," dare to say, "We alone are." Parmenianus also says that it is proven from this that the whole world was criminal with the crimes of betrayal and other sacrileges, because, when many such things were committed at the time of the persecution, no separation of peoples was afterwards made in those provinces. As if it could not have happened that partly the wicked lay hidden and were not accused, so that they could be condemned without any rashness, and partly they were also betrayed and condemned, and because they were refuted by clear evidence, they ceased from disturbing and dividing the churches, and thus it came about that, while some were not accused, certain uncertain crimes were for the sake of peace left to God, and certain others, however, were so manifested and convicted that they were condemned, so that no condemned person could deceive the peoples with feigned innocence, and the bond of unity would by no means be broken. For not even in Africa would this so monstrous evil of severance have occurred, unless the false faction of pretenders had prevailed more than the true reason of those who convict.
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Legant qui uolunt quae narret et quibus documentis quam multa persuadeat uenerabilis memoriae Mileuitanus episcopus catholicae communionis Optatus siue de Lucilla pecunio sissima tunc et factiosissima femina, quam pro ecclesiae disciplina sanctus Caecilianus adhuc diaconus laeserat, uel de ceteris factionis eius consortibus siue furibus ecclesiastici argenti siue ad episcopatum se non peruenisse dolentibus et sibi praelatum Caecilianum insidiis quibus poterant insectantibus siue de Numidis episcopis, quos ista factio conuocauerat ad perniciem Caeciliani, ut illo deposito alter eis ordinaretur. qui uenientes cum primate suo tunc Secundo Tigisitano et aliis, quibus traditionis confessa crimina Secundus ipse donauerat ueluti paci consulens, sicut ecclesiastica gesta testantur, absentem Caecilianum sine ulla dilatione diligentioris inquisitionis, nullo responsionis loco seruato, traditorem esse censuerunt, ut ei uidelicet obessent absenti traditionis crimina tantummodo obiecta, cum sibimet ipsi praesentes confessa donauerint.
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Let those who wish read what and with what evidence the venerable bishop of the Catholic communion, Optatus of Milevis, of blessed memory, relates and how many things he proves—whether concerning Lucilla, a very wealthy and at that time very factious woman, whom the holy Caecilianus, while still a deacon, had offended for the sake of church discipline, or concerning the other members of her faction, whether thieves of church silver or those who grieved that they had not attained the episcopate and who, because Caecilianus had been preferred to them, harassed him with whatever plots they could, or concerning the Numidian bishops, whom this faction had summoned for the destruction of Caecilianus, so that after he was deposed another might be ordained in his place. These men, coming with their then primate Secundus of Tigisis and with others to whom Secundus himself had granted pardon for confessed crimes of traditio, as if consulting peace—as the ecclesiastical records testify—judged the absent Caecilianus, without any delay for a more thorough investigation, with no opportunity for a defense preserved, to be a traditor, so that, evidently, the charges of traditio merely brought against him in his absence might harm him, while they themselves, present, had granted pardon to confessed crimes among themselves.
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ita contra sedentem in cathedra, cui totus orbis christianus in transmarinis et longe remotis terris et in ipsis Afris grauioribus et aduersus eiusmodi fallacias robustioribus communicaret ecclesiis, episcopum alterum ordinauerunt, ut possent pro suo facto contradicere promissionibus dei, ne in semine Abrahae benedicerentur omnes gentes, ut eas etiam partes orbis terrarum a traditoribus Afris inquinatas dicerent, quae nec Caeciliani nomen audissent aut certe, quomodo se haberet eius uita, quam tamen isti de nullo crimine conuicerunt, illae tamquam innocentis audissent. insuper etiam contra orbem terrarum dicentem: 'quod ciuibus tuis obicis, nec cognoscere potui nec damnare incognitum debui', proferunt apostoli testimonium dicentis: non solum qui faciunt ea, sed etiam qui consentiunt facientibus. parum enim fuit tot et tantos populos christianos damnare inauditos, nisi etiam contra ipsum apostolum eius quidem uerba, sed non eius intellectum depromere auderent. si enim hoc est consentire male facientibus, esse cum eis in ecclesia, consentiebat etiam ipse falsis fratribus, inter quos se periclitari contestabatur et quos non caste, sed per inuidiam sine caritate euangelium praedicantes tamen praedicare permittit.
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woman, or concerning the ordination of Silvanus by the traditors, or concerning the false accusations against Caecilianus. For they ordained another bishop to sit in the chair with which the whole Christian world—in transmarine and far-distant lands, and even in the more serious-minded parts of Africa, which were more robust against deceptions of this kind—was in communion, so that they could, on the basis of their own deed, contradict the promises of God, that all nations might be blessed in the seed of Abraham, and so that they could call even those parts of the world polluted by African traditors which had never even heard the name of Caecilianus, or at least had heard of his life—which, however, these men never proved guilty of any crime—as if they had heard of an innocent man. Moreover, against the whole world saying, 'What you charge against your fellow citizens, I could neither come to know, nor ought I to condemn an unknown man,' they bring forth the testimony of the apostle saying: 'Not only those who do these things, but also those who consent to those who do them.' For it was not enough for them to condemn so many and such great Christian peoples unheard; they also dared to bring forth, against the apostle himself, his own words indeed, but not his meaning. For if this is what it means to consent to evildoers—to be with them in the church—then the apostle himself also consented to false brothers, among whom he testified that he was in danger, and whom, though they preached the gospel not chastely but out of envy and without charity, he nevertheless allowed to preach.
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si autem nihil est aliud consentire male facientibus nisi mala facta eorum approbare atque laudare, exemplo apostoli orbis terrarum non consentiret criminibus Afrorum, etiamsi ea cognita pro ecclesiae pace toleraret; quem tamen ea cognouisse isti non probant, etiamsi uera fuisse probare potuissent. Frustra itaque dicit Parmenianus damnatos in Africa traditores in consortium sanctitatis acceptos a prouinciis transmarinis. hoc enim est quod credere non debemus, ne temeritate sacrilega totum orbem terrarum in Christi unitate fundatum ex istorum falsa criminatione damnemus potius quam ex uera dei promissione diligamus. quid enim magis credendum est, quod dixit deus: in semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes, an quod isti dicunt: in semine in semine traditorum Afrorum maledicuntur omnes gentes, ut plus ualeat quod commisit iniquitas quam quod pollicita est ueritas? cur ergo non potius credimus, quod illi, qui recepti sunt in communionem a prouinciis transmarinis, aut innocentes opprimi non potuerunt a calumniatoribus, quod multis documentis probabilius persuaderi potest, aut certe, cum conuinci non possent, etiamsi mali fuerunt, innocentes crediti sine ulla suscipientium contaminatione suscepti sunt?
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But if there is nothing else in consenting to those who do evil except to approve and praise their evil deeds, then by the example of the apostle the whole world would not consent to the crimes of the Africans, even if it tolerated them for the sake of the Church's peace, having known about them; yet these men do not prove that the world knew about them, even if they could have proved them to be true. Therefore Parmenianus speaks in vain when he says that the traditors condemned in Africa were received into the fellowship of sanctity by the overseas provinces. For this is what we ought not to believe, lest with sacrilegious rashness we condemn the whole world founded in the unity of Christ on the basis of their false accusation, rather than love it on the basis of God's true promise. For what is more credible: what God said, "In your seed all nations will be blessed," or what these men say, "In the seed of the African traditors all nations are cursed," so that what iniquity has committed prevails over what truth has promised? Why, then, do we not rather believe that those who were received into communion by the overseas provinces either could not be oppressed by slanderers while innocent—which can be more plausibly argued with many proofs—or, certainly, when they could not be convicted, even if they were evil, they were believed innocent and received without any contamination of those who received them?
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quid quod, etiamsi per malos fratres, quales apostolus in ecclesiae unitate tolerauit, quales martyr Cyprianus in epistula de lapsis gemit, si ergo per tales fratres etiam in iudicum numero constitutos actum esset aliqua prauitate, ut traditores excludi conuincique non possent et christianus orbis simulata eorum innocentia falleretur, nullo modo suam innocentiam perdidisset. Quod enim de Ossio dixit Cordubensi quondam catholico episcopo, flagitandum est ut probent non solum talem illum fuisse qualem dicunt, sed quod talis fuerit manifestum illis fuisse, quibus eum communicasse asserunt. hoc enim nisi probauerint, frustra se dicunt scisse qualis fuerit, quia nescientibus obesse non potuit, a quibus se isti innocentibus separando propter ipsam separationis sacrilegam iniquitatem innocentes esse non possunt.
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What of the fact that, even if through evil brothers—such as the apostle tolerated in the unity of the Church, such as the martyr Cyprian laments in his letter on the lapsed—if, therefore, through such brothers, even those placed among the judges, some wickedness had been committed, so that the traditors could not be excluded and convicted, and the Christian world were deceived by the feigned innocence of these men, it would in no way have lost its own innocence. As for what was said about Ossius of Corduba, once a Catholic bishop, it must be demanded that they prove not only that he was such a man as they claim, but also that his being such was manifest to those with whom they assert he communicated. For unless they prove this, they claim in vain that they knew what he was like, because he could not harm those who were ignorant, from whom these men, by separating themselves while innocent, cannot themselves be innocent because of the sacrilegious iniquity of the separation itself.
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hoc enim magis credibile est — si tamen Ossius ab Hispanis damnatus a Gallis est absolutus —, fieri potuisse, ut falsis criminationibus Hispani circumuenti et callida insidiarum fraude decepti contra innocentem ferrent sententiam et postea pacifice in humilitate christiana cederent sententiae collegarum, quibus illius innocentia comprobata est, ne peruicaci et animosa peruersitate priores suas sententias defendendo in sacrilegium schismatis, quod omnia scelera supergreditur, caecitate impietatis inruerent, sicut isti miseri fecerunt et nec sero saltem totiens diuisi atque concisi sentiunt quod fecerunt. Satis (ita)que declarant unde insanabiles facti sint, uidelicet ne priores sententias suas, quas in absentem Caecilianum temere protulerunt, condemnare cogerentur, si transmarino iudicio, ubi a Caeciliano praesente superati sunt, consideratione ueritatis et pacis adquiescerent, maiorem reportaturi uictoriam, si animositatem humanam saltem post iudicium quam si hominem in ipso iudicio superarent. nam illa uictoria praecelsior est et triumpho celsiore plenior, quam si non solum de homine uno uicto, sed de uniuersa subiugata ciuitate referatur, dicente scriptura: melior est qui uincit iram quam qui capit ciuitatem.
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For this is more credible—if indeed Ossius, condemned by the Spaniards, was absolved by the Gauls—that it could have happened that the Spaniards, deceived by false accusations and beguiled by the cunning fraud of snares, pronounced sentence against an innocent man, and afterwards peacefully, in Christian humility, yielded to the judgment of their colleagues, by whom that man’s innocence was proven, lest by defending their earlier sentences with stubborn and spiteful perversity they should rush into the sacrilege of schism, which surpasses all crimes, with the blindness of impiety, just as these wretched men did, and not even belatedly, after being so often divided and cut asunder, do they perceive what they have done. Thus it is sufficiently clear why they have become incurable: namely, lest they be compelled to condemn their own earlier sentences, which they rashly pronounced against the absent Caecilianus, if they were to acquiesce, in consideration of truth and peace, to the transmarine judgment, where they were overcome by the present Caecilianus—they would have gained a greater victory if they had overcome human animosity at least after the judgment than if they had overcome the man in the judgment itself. For that victory is loftier and fuller of a higher triumph than if it were reported not only of one conquered man, but of an entire subjugated city, as Scripture says: “Better is he who conquers anger than he who captures a city.
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illi ergo uincere hominem cupiebant quos ira uincebat, et quia hominem uincere nequiuerunt, et ab homine et ab ira superati sunt: ab homine, quia in iudicio uicti sunt, ab ira, quia nec uicti quieuerunt, prauissimo corde uel audientes uel legentes apostoli sententiam dicentis: si enim quae destruxi haec eadem iterum aedifico, prae uari catorem me ipsum constituo. quae uerba scilicet si tam sinistro animo ipse apostolus intellegeret, nec christianus nec apostolus fieret nec praedicator aedificaret ecclesias, quas persecutor antea destruebat. nusquam itaque isti se tam aperte indicarunt, cur nec superati corrigi uoluerunt, quam cum detestantAr Hispanos, quod post sententias suas aliter prolatas collegarum posteriori discussioni iudicioque cesserunt. quam enim hoc factum est de mansuetudine christiana, tam illud de contentione diabolica, et ideo non mirum quia ista humilitate pax custodita est, illa elatione dirrupta. proinde illis recte redditur quod fecerunt; docuerunt enim talia posteros suos, nam et Maximianistae non ob aliud trecentorum et decem collegarum suorum, a quibus Primianus, quem primo ipsi damnauerant, innocens iudicatus est, con(cilio) cedere noluerunt, nisi perdita pertinacia sententiam apostolicam imperitis opponendo et dicendo: si enim quae destruxi haec eadem iterum aedifico, praeuaricatorem me ipsum constituo.
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They therefore wished to conquer a man whom anger was conquering, and because they could not conquer the man, they were overcome by both the man and anger: by the man, because they were defeated in judgment; by anger, because even when defeated they did not rest, with a most depraved heart either hearing or reading the apostle’s sentence which says: “For if I rebuild the very things I have destroyed, I set myself up as a transgressor.” Which words, of course, if the apostle himself understood them with such a sinister mind, he would neither become a Christian nor an apostle, nor would the preacher build the churches which as a persecutor he had previously destroyed. Nowhere, therefore, have these men so openly revealed why, even when defeated, they refused to be corrected, as when they detest the Spaniards because, after their own sentences had been pronounced differently, they yielded to the later discussion and judgment of their colleagues. For as much as this was done out of Christian gentleness, so much was that out of diabolical contention, and therefore it is not surprising that peace was preserved by this humility, and broken by that pride. Hence, what they did is rightly returned upon them; for they taught such things to their successors, for the Maximianists also, for no other reason, refused to yield to the council of three hundred and ten of their own colleagues, by whom Primianus, whom they themselves had first condemned, was judged innocent, except out of lost pertinacity, opposing the apostolic sentence to the unskilled and saying: “For if I rebuild the very things I have destroyed, I set myself up as a transgressor.
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destruxerant enim centum collegae Primianum et eum propterea cum trecentis rursus aedificare noluerunt. ita cum se cauere fingunt, ne hominem aedificent quem destruxerant, se ipsos in alio schismate maiore sacrilegio destruxerunt. Sed tamen, si uiueret Parmenianus, non auderet iam reprehendere Hispanos et eos appellare praeuaricatores, quia . sententiam suam in collegarum sententiam deflexerunt, ne ipse offenderet collegas suos, qui multi a se iam Primiano damnato in melius correcti ad trecentorum concilium transierunt, magis eligentes contra suas praeproperas uenire sententias quam contra pacem unitatis etiam in parte Donati. et maxime Praetextato Assuritano et Feliciano Mustitano parceret Parmenianus, qui etiam damnati a trecentis et decem coepiscopis suis ad eosdem ipsos, a quibus damnati sunt, studio concordiae redierunt et a suis damnatoribus eodem studio sine ullo sui honoris detrimento pro pace suscepti sunt, nec quisquam rebaptizandos putauit qui fuerant ab eis foris in schismate baptizati. an forte, quia multum displicent Parmeniano qui corrigunt sententias suas et eos non intellegens apostolum praeuaricatores uocat, detestaretur istos, quia intro redire quam foris remanere uoluerunt, et adiunctis sibi nonnullis similibus sociis etiam Parmenianistas crearet, sicut iam multa frusta de isto grandi frusto per totam Africam facta sunt?
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For they had destroyed Primianus along with a hundred colleagues, and therefore they refused to rebuild him with the three hundred. Thus, while they pretend to beware of building up a man whom they had destroyed, they destroyed themselves in another, greater schism by a greater sacrilege. But yet, if Parmenianus were alive, he would no longer dare to reproach the Spaniards and call them traitors, because they bent their own judgment to the judgment of their colleagues, lest he himself offend his own colleagues, many of whom, after Primianus had already been condemned by them, passed over, corrected for the better, to the council of the three hundred, choosing rather to go against their own hasty sentences than against the peace of unity, even within the Donatist party. And especially would Parmenianus spare Praetextatus of Assura and Felicianus of Musti, who, even after being condemned by three hundred and ten of their fellow bishops, returned to the very same men by whom they were condemned, out of zeal for concord, and were received by their condemners, out of the same zeal, without any loss of their own honor, for the sake of peace; nor did anyone think that those who had been baptized by them outside, in schism, ought to be rebaptized. Or perhaps, because those who correct their own sentences displease Parmenianus greatly, and he, not understanding the Apostle, calls them traitors, would he detest these men because they wished to return inside rather than remain outside, and, having joined to himself some like-minded associates, would he even create Parmenianists, just as many fragments have already been made from that great fragment throughout all Africa?
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sic, sic necesse est: minutatim secti concisique dispereunt, qui tumorem animositatis suae catholicae pacis sanctissimo uinculo praetulerunt. neque enim tam timenda sunt quae criminatur Parmenianus quam intuenda quae confitetur. Cum enim diceret per Ossium Hispanum adiutorium praestitum Caeciliano, ut ad eorum communionem sanctorum et inlibatorum numerus cogeretur, et huic impietati fidem seruorum dei integram restitisse, ultro fassus est ipsos suos adisse etiam Constantinum et eius arbitrio a iudicibus episcopis causam esse cognitam, quibus praefuit Miltiades Romanae urbis episcopus. in quo iudicio, sicut ecclesiastica gesta testantur, quia uicti sunt isti et innocens Caecilianus inuentus est, eundem Miltiadem crimine traditionis accusant. quod quaero quando cognouerint. si enim ante iudicium, non sibi praeiudicare debuerunt, ut aput talem iudicem causam suam agere inciperent et ei praecepto imperatoris, quem ipsi adierant, tale subire iudicium. si autem post dictam causam prolatamque sententiam eum traditorem didicisse (se) perhibent, usque adeo dementes sunt homines, ut contra iudices aput quos uicti sunt uictis litigatoribus credant?
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Thus, thus it must be: those who have preferred the swelling of their own animosity to the most holy bond of Catholic peace are cut and chopped into pieces and perish. For what Parmenianus accuses is not so much to be feared as what he confesses is to be observed. For when he said that through Ossius the Spaniard assistance was given to Caecilian, so that the number of holy and undefiled men was forced into their communion, and that the integrity of the servants of God had wholly resisted this impiety, he voluntarily confessed that his own people had themselves approached even Constantine and that by his decision the case was examined by bishop-judges, over whom Miltiades, bishop of the city of Rome, presided. In that judgment, as the ecclesiastical records testify, because these men were defeated and innocent Caecilian was found, they accuse the same Miltiades of the crime of traditio. I ask when they learned of this. For if it was before the judgment, they ought not to have prejudiced themselves so as to begin their case before such a judge and to undergo such a judgment by the emperor's decree, whom they themselves had approached. But if they claim that they learned that he was a traditor after the case was argued and the sentence pronounced, are men so utterly insane that they believe those who have been defeated in court against the judges before whom they were defeated?
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et tamen in his omnibus quamuis magna temeritate Italos et Gallos et Hispanos accusant relictis ceteris tam multis prouinciis atque gentibus, a quibus nefando sacrilegio separati sunt, quibus utique obesse non possent crimina Italorum, Hispanorum atque Gallorum, etiamsi uera dicerentur. iam enim ceteras terras caeco more uel potius furore arguunt et eis irascuntur, quia, cum duae partes essent in Africa — una, inquiunt, traditorum et altera innocentium —, traditores sibi quam innocentes adiungere maluerunt. quae uana criminatio breuissime atque uerissime ita refellitur, quia, cum duas partes esse in Africa audissent, unam traditorum, alteram innocentium, eam innocentem esse crediderunt, quae causam suam aput uicinos ecclesiasticos iudices obtinuerat. quapropter illi semper innocentes manserunt, qui nescientes quemadmodum ista in Africa gesta sint id tamen crediderunt, quod pacifice ac religiose credere debuerunt, a quibus innocentibus separatio nullo modo esse innocens potuit.
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And yet in all these things, with great recklessness, they accuse the Italians, Gauls, and Spaniards, while passing over so many other provinces and peoples from whom they are separated by a nefarious sacrilege—to whom, of course, the crimes of the Italians, Spaniards, and Gauls could do no harm, even if they were spoken truthfully. For they already accuse the other lands with a blind habit, or rather frenzy, and are angry at them because, when there were two parties in Africa—one, they say, of the traditors and the other of the innocent—the traditors preferred to join themselves to the innocent rather than to themselves. This vain accusation is refuted most briefly and most truly as follows: because, when they had heard that there were two parties in Africa, one of traditors and the other of the innocent, they believed that party to be innocent which had won its case before the neighboring ecclesiastical judges. Therefore, those always remained innocent who, not knowing how these things were done in Africa, nevertheless believed what they ought to have believed peacefully and religiously; from such innocent persons, separation could in no way be innocent.
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Fatetur etiam Parmenianus ad Arelatense oppidum et episcopos iudices et partes ex Africa conuenisse, Caecilianum scilicet atque Donatistas. ubi omnia suis credidit, qui nihil uicti potuerunt nisi de iudicibus conqueri, nec tamen negat rursus eos ad Constantinum uenisse et, quia ibi quoque ultimo iudicio superati sunt, etiam ipsum gratia corruptum esse criminatur. quibus omnibus consideratis qui sine studio partium iudicat eligat quibus credat, utrum iudicibus sententias proferentibus an litigatoribus contra quos prolatae sunt litem finire nolentibus. et certe orbis terrarum iudicibus credidit. qui autem Donatistis consentiunt eosque defendunt, fatentur se illis credere, qui causam suam, qualiscumque illa fuerit, non potuerunt tamen in transmarinis tot disceptationibus obtinere, et eorum aduersus iudices murmura et crimina credula uanitate suscipiunt. qua in re si innocentes se dicunt et eos quos superatos uident nolunt temere credere ueritate superatos, quanto innocentiores sunt qui temere mali aliquid credere de ipsis iudicibus nolunt, de quibus necesse est ut qui uicti fuerint conquerantur! non solum enim qui bonam causam perdidit de iniquo uel tardo uel neglegenti iudice queritur, sed etiam qui iustissime uictus est ea caecitate de innocente iudice murmurat, qua caecitate cum innocente aduersario litigabat.
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Parmenian also admits that at the town of Arelate both judges and parties from Africa convened, namely Caecilian and the Donatists. There he believed everything that those who, being defeated, could do nothing but complain about the judges, yet he does not deny that they again came to Constantine, and because there too they were overcome by the final judgment, he even accuses the emperor himself of being corrupted by bribery. Considering all these things, let anyone who judges without partisanship choose whom to believe: whether the judges delivering sentences, or the litigants against whom the sentences were pronounced and who are unwilling to end the dispute. And certainly the whole world believed the judges. But those who agree with the Donatists and defend them admit that they believe those who, whatever their case may have been, could not, however, prevail in so many overseas hearings, and they accept with credulous vanity their murmurs and accusations against the judges. In this matter, if they claim to be innocent and are unwilling to rashly believe that those whom they see defeated were overcome by the truth, how much more innocent are those who are unwilling to rashly believe anything evil about the judges themselves, about whom it is inevitable that those who are defeated will complain! For not only does the one who lost a good case complain about an unjust, slow, or negligent judge, but even the one who was most justly defeated murmurs against the innocent judge with that same blindness with which he litigated against an innocent adversary.
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quapropter isti non ideo scelerati sunt, quia de hominibus uictis nolunt temere aliquid credere, sed ideo, quia se furore schismatis praeciderunt ab eis innocentibus, qui multo rationabilius nolunt tale aliquid de ipsis iudicibus credere. Existat enim aliqua illarum partium in nomine Christi nobilissima ecclesia ex illis septem et, si placet, potissimum Philadelphia, quae mystico nomine per linguam Graecam fraternam intimat caritatem. audiamus igitur eius uocem nec eius loquatur palea, sed frumentum. si ergo dicat istis: 'quid in me arguitis, fratres, quid accusatis? quanto interuallo secundum terrenum locum ab Africa remota sim, partim nosse partim audire potuistis. quid ibi tunc siue traditores siue traditorum uel accusatores uel damnatores siue innocentium uel calumniatores uel oppressores egerint, prorsus ignoro. sed ille dominus noster, qui emit totum orbem pretio sanguinis sui, cuius sancta commercia propheta tanto ante cecinit dicens: foderunt manus meas et pedes, dinumerauerunt omnia ossa mea. ipsi uero considerauerunt et conspexerunt me, diuiserunt sibi uestimenta mea et super uestimentum meum miserunt sortem, inter uos et nos non spatia constituit uacua et nuda christianis; impleuit haec omnia sanctificatione nominis sui. in ipso quippe psalmo passionis non solum quanti, sed etiam quantum emerit declaratum est.
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Therefore these men are not wicked because they are unwilling to believe anything rashly about defeated men, but because in the madness of schism they have cut themselves off from those innocent men who far more reasonably refuse to believe anything of the kind about those very judges. For there exists some church of those seven, most noble in the name of Christ, and, if you please, the most eminent Philadelphia, which by its mystical name in the Greek tongue signifies brotherly love. Let us therefore hear its voice, and let not its chaff speak, but its grain. So if it should say to these men: 'What do you reproach in me, brothers, what do you accuse? How far I am removed from Africa by earthly distance, you have been able partly to know, partly to hear. What was done there then, whether by traitors or by accusers or condemners of traitors, or by calumniators or oppressors of the innocent, I am wholly ignorant. But that Lord of ours, who bought the whole world with the price of his blood, whose holy commerce the prophet so long before sang, saying: They dug through my hands and my feet, they numbered all my bones. But they themselves considered and beheld me, they divided my garments among themselves and over my garment they cast lots, between you and us he did not set empty and bare spaces devoid of Christians; he filled all these with the sanctification of his name. For in that same psalm of the passion it is declared not only how many, but also at what price he bought.
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ibi enim paulo post dicitur: reminiscentur et conuertentur ad dominum uniuersi fines terrae et adorabunt in conspectu eius uniuersae patriae gentium, quoniam ipsius est regnum et ipse dominabitur gentium. de causa itaque uestra tunc fortasse cogerer iudicare, si uel uicina essem uel ita remota, ut inter nos et uos non habitarent alii christiani eodem nomine signati, eadem unitate pacati. multae interiacent patriae gentium simul mecum emptae illius sanguine, in cuius conspectu mecum pariter adorant. per illas ad me transiit fama de uobis; ipsae de uicinitate causam uestram examinare potuerunt. quod si non factum est, uos neglexistis; neque enim neglecti a ceteris non usque ad nos etiam ueniretis. si autem aliquid iudicatum est, date ueniam; non audeo uobis superatis temere credere et iudices uestros eadem temeritate damnare. accedit mihi aliud quod me plurimum moueat, quia, si uos innocentes oppressi essetis, nos saltem fratres, qui uobis nihil nocuimus, amaretis; cum uero nos, qui bene nobis conscii sumus causam uestram uicinis uestris recto ecclesiae iure commissam fuisse, qui coram deo sciunt quemadmodum iudicauerint, lacerare tamen maledictis et acerbis odiis insectari et, quasi propter uos Christus aput nos hereditatem suam perdiderit, etiam rebaptizare conamini, quid boni de illa uestra causa sentire poterimus?
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For there a little later it is said: "All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the nations of the gentiles will worship in his sight, for his is the kingdom and he will rule over the gentiles." Therefore, concerning your case, I might perhaps be compelled to judge if I were either nearby or so far removed that no other Christians, marked by the same name and pacified by the same unity, lived between us and you. Many nations of the gentiles lie between us, purchased along with me by the blood of him in whose sight they worship together with me. Through them the report about you has reached me; they themselves, from their proximity, were able to examine your case. If this has not been done, you have been negligent; for you would not have come even to us if you had not been neglected by the others. But if some judgment has been rendered, forgive me; I do not dare rashly to believe you when you have been defeated, and by that same rashness to condemn your judges. Another consideration occurs to me that moves me greatly: if you had been innocent and oppressed, you would at least love us, your brothers, who have done you no harm. But since you nevertheless tear to pieces with curses and pursue with bitter hatred us, who are well aware that your case was rightly entrusted to your neighbors by the law of the Church, and who know before God how they have judged, and since you even attempt to rebaptize, as if Christ had lost his inheritance among us because of you, what good can we think about that case of yours?
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qui enim longe remotissimos fratres temerariis suspicionibus damnare minime dubitatis, quam iuste a uicinis uestris damnati fueritis ostenditis. cur enim non credam recte damnari potuisse a uicino iudice auditum, qui me fratrem tam longe absentem damnare non dubitat inauditum, hoc mihi obiciens maximum crimen, quoniam qui praesens esse non potui eis ad quos causa perducta est iudicibus potius quam uictis litigatoribus credidi? quibus iudicibus si non potius credidissem, etiamsi illi qui uicti sunt innocentes essent, ego innocens esse non possem. magno enim delicto implicaremur, si, cum corda humana non cerneremus, nec disciplinam ecclesiasticam teneremus, cum eis nollemus iudicantibus credere, ultra quos non potuit causa transire et per quos potuit ad nos fama percurrere. ab istis innocentibus impia diremptione discindens te innocentem dicis? quod utique si esses, cum uideres in scripturis sanctis messem domini tui ante ultimam segregationem et uentilationem a zizaniis et palea non posse separari, eligeres potius fortis esse in tolerandis malis quam impius in deserendis bonis). — quot enim ecclesiarum per orbem longe remotarum putamus esse istas et quam iustissimas uoces, quas in Philadelphia figuraui!
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For you who do not hesitate to condemn brothers who are very far away on the basis of rash suspicions, you show how justly you yourselves have been condemned by your neighbors. For why should I not believe that a man could rightly be condemned by a neighboring judge after a hearing, when he does not hesitate to condemn me, a brother so far away, without a hearing, charging me with the greatest crime, because I was not able to be present before those judges to whom the case was brought, and I believed them rather than the defeated litigants? If I had not rather believed those judges, even if those who were defeated were innocent, I could not be innocent. For we would be involved in a great offense if, when we could not see into human hearts, and we did not hold to ecclesiastical discipline, we were unwilling to believe those judges beyond whom the case could not proceed and through whom the report could reach us. Do you, who tear yourself away from these innocent ones by an impious division, call yourself innocent? For if you were, since you see in the holy scriptures that the harvest of your Lord cannot be separated from the tares and chaff before the final segregation and winnowing, you would choose rather to be strong in enduring evils than impious in abandoning the good. — For how many churches throughout the world, far removed, do we think these are, and how very just are the voices which I have figured in Philadelphia!
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Quin etiam conqueri audet Parmenianus, quod eos Constantinus ad campum id est ad supplicium duci iussit, qui uicti aput ecclesiasticos iudices nec aput ipsum quae dicebant probare potuerunt et adhuc in sanctae ecclesiae praecisiones sacrilego furore ferebantur, et hoc eum tamquam immaniter iussisse Hispano Ossio suggerente criminatur, suspicionibus uidelicet suis, sicut semper, damnando inauditos. quasi uero non humanius et probabilius alius crediderit Ossio tamquam episcopo suggerente potius factum, ut in leniorem cohercitionem quamuis immanissimi sceleris, id est sacrilegi schismatis, sententiam flecteret imperator. quid enim non isti iuste patiuntur, cum ex altissimo dei praesidentis et ad cauendum ignem aeternum flagellis talibus ammonentis iudicio patiantur et merito criminum et ordine potestatum? prius enim probent non esse se haereticos uel schismaticos; tum demum de indignis poenis suis emittant liberam uocem, tum demum sese audeant, cum tale aliquid patiuntur, ueritatis martyres dicere.
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Moreover, Parmenianus dares to complain that Constantine ordered those who, having been defeated before ecclesiastical judges and unable to prove their claims even before him, were still being carried away with sacrilegious fury into the schisms of the holy Church, to be led to the field—that is, to execution—and he accuses the emperor of having ordered this with monstrous cruelty, at the suggestion of Ossius of Hispania, relying, as always, on his own suspicions, condemning the unheard. As if it were not more humane and more plausible for another to believe that it was rather done at the suggestion of Ossius as a bishop, so that the emperor might be swayed toward a milder coercion, even for a crime of the most monstrous kind, that is, sacrilegious schism. For what do these men not justly suffer, when they suffer by the judgment of God, who presides from on high and warns them to beware of eternal fire through such punishments, both by the merit of their crimes and by the order of authorities? Let them first prove that they are not heretics or schismatics; only then may they utter a free voice concerning their unworthy punishments, only then may they dare, when they suffer something of this kind, to call themselves martyrs for the truth.
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alioquin si, quisquis ab imperatore uel a iudicibus ab eo missis poenas luit, continuo martyr est, omnes carceres martyribus pleni sunt, omnes catenae iudiciariae martyres trahunt, in omnibus metallis martyres aerumnosi sunt, in omnes insulas martyres deportantur, in omnibus poenalibus locis iuridico gladio martyres feriuntur, omnes ad bestias martyres subriguntur aut iussionibus iudicum uiui ignibus concremantur. si autem, sicut dicit apostolus, non est potestas nisi a deo et minister dei uindex est in ira ei qui male agit, non sine causa gladium portat. uis non timere potestatem? bonum fac et habebis laudem ex illa. bonus enim quisquis passus fuerit, laus illi prouenit ex potestate facientis, malus uero quod merito patitur iniquitatis non deputet saeuitiae potestatis. Et tamen quid tale isti patiuntur quale faciunt, nisi quia hominum multitudo non in corde cor habet, sed in oculis? nam si sanguis exit de carne mortali, quisquis aspicit exhorrescit; si a pace Christi praecisae animae atque separatae in haeresis uel schismatis sacrilegio moriuntur, quia non uidetur, non plangitur, immo uero mors taetrior atque luctuosior et ut plane dixerim uerior iure consuetudinis et ridetur, cum auctores tantarum mortium publice insultant et nec ueritatis manifestandae causa sermonem nobiscum conferre dignantur.
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Otherwise, if anyone who suffers punishment from the emperor or from judges sent by him is immediately a martyr, then all prisons are full of martyrs, all judicial chains drag martyrs, in all mines there are afflicted martyrs, martyrs are deported to all islands, in all penal places martyrs are struck by the judge's sword, all martyrs are thrown to the beasts or burned alive by the orders of judges. But if, as the apostle says, power exists only from God, and the minister of God is an avenger in his wrath against the one who does evil, he does not carry the sword without reason. Do you wish not to fear power? Do good, and you will have praise from it. For if anyone who suffers is good, praise comes to him from the power of the one who acts; but if he is evil, what he suffers deservedly due to his iniquity, he should not attribute to the cruelty of power. And yet, what do these people suffer that is comparable to what they do, except that the multitude of men has no heart in their breast, but only in their eyes? For if blood flows from mortal flesh, whoever sees it shudders; if souls cut off from the peace of Christ and separated by the sacrilege of heresy or schism die, because it is not seen, it is not mourned; indeed, a death more foul and more lamentable and, to speak plainly, more true, is by custom laughed at, while the authors of so many deaths publicly insult and deign not even to confer with us in speech for the sake of revealing the truth.
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et si quid temporalis molestiae passi fuerint per certissimum atque rectissimum ordinem potestatum, cum ipsi priuatis furiosorum agminibus multo grauiora passim atque cotidie nulla regia, nulla ecclesiastica lege committant, nos corporum persecutores uocant, se animarum interfectores non uocant, cum priuata licentia nec corporibus parcant. sed quia per mansuetudinem christianam multo seuerius uindicatur oculus euulsus in lite quam animus excaecatus in schismate, elocuntur et aduersus nos locuntur et nobiscum non locuntur, et cum eos ommutescere compellat ueritas, silere non permittit iniquitas. An forte de religione fas non est ut iudicet imperator uel quos miserit imperator? cur ergo ad imperatorem uestri uenere legati? cur eum fecerunt causae suae iudicem, non secuturi quod ille iudicaret? sed quorsum ista dicuntur?. numquidnam, etiamsi optineant non pertinere ad imperatorem aduersus eos aliquid statuere qui praua in religione sectantur, propterea, si fecerit eosque puniuerit, martyres erunt? hoc enim modo ista haereticis omnibus uox patebit, in quos ex occulto imperio dei per manifestum hominum imperium multa quibus cohercerentur seuerissime constituta sunt, nec solum haereticis quoquo modo saltem christiano nomine dealbatis, sed etiam ipsis paganis.
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and if they suffer any temporal trouble through the most certain and most just order of powers, while they themselves, with private bands of madmen, commit far graver acts everywhere and daily, bound by no royal or ecclesiastical law, they call us persecutors of bodies, but do not call themselves slayers of souls, though by private license they spare not even bodies. But because, through Christian gentleness, a gouged-out eye in a brawl is punished much more severely than a blinded mind in a schism, they speak out and speak against us, and do not speak with us; and when truth compels them to fall silent, iniquity does not permit them to be silent. Or is it perhaps not lawful for the emperor, or those whom the emperor has sent, to judge concerning religion? Why then did your legates come to the emperor? Why did they make him judge of their case, not intending to follow what he would judge? But to what end are these things said? Surely, even if they maintain that it does not pertain to the emperor to decree anything against those who follow perverse practices in religion, does it follow that, if he does so and punishes them, they will be martyrs? For in this way this cry will be open to all heretics, against whom, by the hidden command of God through the manifest command of men, many very severe measures have been established to restrain them, and not only to heretics somehow at least whitewashed with the Christian name, but even to pagans themselves.
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nam utique et ipsi falsa religione sunt impii, quorum simulacra euerti atque confringi iussa sunt recentibus legibus, inhiberi etiam sacrificia sub terrore capitali. si quis ergo eorum damnatus in tali crimine fuerit, martyr habendus est, quia pro superstitione, quam piam religionem putabat, poenas legibus luit? nullus certe quoquo modo christianus audet hoc dicere. non ergo, quisquis in aliqua religionis quaestione fuerit ab imperatore punitus, martyr efficitur. neque enim uident qui talia sentiunt in eum locum se progredi, ut ipsos etiam daemones martyrum gloriam sibi uindicare posse contendant, quia istam patiuntur persecutionem per imperatores christianos, ut paene toto orbe terrarum eorum templa euertantur, idola comminuantur, sacrificia subtrahantur, qui eos honorant, si deprehensi fuerint, puniantur. quod si dementissimum est dicere, non ergo ex passione certa iustitia, sed ex iustitia passio gloriosa est. ideoque dominus, ne quisquam in hac re nebulas obtenderet imperitis et in suorum damnatione meritorum laudem quaereret martyrum, non generaliter ait: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur', sed addidit magnam differentiam, qua uere a sacrilegio pietas secernatur. ait enim: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur propter iustitiam.
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For certainly they too are impious with a false religion, whose statues have been ordered to be overturned and broken by recent laws, and their sacrifices also prohibited under threat of capital punishment. If, therefore, any one of them were condemned for such a crime, is he to be considered a martyr, because he suffers the penalties of the laws for a superstition which he thought was a pious religion? Certainly no one who is in any way a Christian dares to say this. Therefore, not everyone who is punished by an emperor in some question of religion becomes a martyr. For those who hold such opinions do not see that they are advancing to the point where they might claim that even the demons themselves can claim the glory of martyrs for themselves, because they suffer this persecution under Christian emperors, so that throughout almost the whole world their temples are overturned, their idols broken, their sacrifices abolished, and those who honor them, if caught, are punished. But if it is most insane to say this, then it is not the suffering that makes the justice certain, but the justice that makes the suffering glorious. And therefore the Lord, lest anyone cast clouds of obscurity over the ignorant in this matter and seek praise for their merits in the condemnation of their own, did not say in general: 'Blessed are those who suffer persecution,' but added a great distinction by which piety is truly separated from sacrilege. For he says: 'Blessed are those who suffer persecution for the sake of justice.
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nullo modo autem propter iustitiam patiuntur, qui Christi ecclesiam diuiserunt et, cum eam simulata iustitia quasi conantur ante tempus a palea separare ac frumenta eius falsis criminationibus insectantur, ipsi ab ea potius tamquam leuissima palea uariis rumorum flatibus separati sunt. (sed), inquiunt, 'non hoc fecimus'. uideant ergo ex hac quaestione se primitus liberare debere et tunc audere, si quid molestiarum siue poenarum a christianis imperatoribus patiuntur, uel deponere in querimoniam uel assumere in gloriam. de qua re, id est ipsius schismatis quaestione, si nihil aliud dicerem, ea quae superius sunt dicta sufficerent. An forte dicent, etiamsi conuincuntur in sacrilega dissensione, ut pro ea dementia si quid passi fuerint martyres non sint, non tamen ad imperatorum potestatem haec cohercenda uel punienda pertinere debere? qua in re quaero quid dicant: an quia de religione uitiosa uel falsa nihil curandum est talibus potestatibus? sed multa iam etiam de paganis diximus et de ipsis daemonibus, quod persecutiones ab imperatoribus patiantur. an et hoc displicet? cur ergo ipsi ubi possunt templa subuertunt et per furores circumcellionum talia facere aut uindicare non cessant? an iustior est priuata uiolentia quam regia diligentia? sed haec omitto.
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They in no way suffer for righteousness who have divided the Church of Christ and, while they try with a feigned righteousness to separate the chaff from the grain before the time and attack its grains with false accusations, they themselves have rather been separated from it like the lightest chaff blown about by various gusts of rumor. "But," they say, "we did not do this." Let them see, therefore, that they must first free themselves from this question, and then dare, if they suffer any troubles or penalties from Christian emperors, either to bring them forward as a complaint or to claim them as a glory. On this matter, that is, the question of the schism itself, if I were to say nothing else, what has been said above would suffice. Or will they perhaps say, even if they are convicted of sacrilegious dissent, so that for that madness, if they have suffered anything, they are not martyrs, yet it should not pertain to the power of the emperors to restrain or punish these things? In this matter I ask what they mean: is it because nothing should be cared for by such powers concerning a vicious or false religion? But we have already said much about the pagans and about the demons themselves, that they suffer persecutions from the emperors. Or does this also displease them? Why then do they themselves, where they can, overturn temples and, through the furies of the Circumcellions, either do such things or not cease to avenge them? Is private violence more just than royal diligence? But I pass over these things.
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illud quaero, cum manifesta enumeret apostolus opera carnis — quae sunt, inquit, fornicationes, immunditiae, luxuria, idolorum seruitus, ueneficia, inimicitiae, contentiones, aemulationes, animositates, dissensiones, haereses, inuidiae, ebrietates, comisationes et his similia —, quid istis uideatur, ut crimen idolatriae putent iuste ab imperatoribus uindicari, aut si nec hoc uolunt, cur in ueneficos uigorem legum egeri iuste fateantur, in haereticos autem atque impias dissensiones nolint fateri, cum in eisdem iniquitatis fructibus auctoritate apostolica numerentur? an forte nec talia potestates istas humanae constitutionis curare permittunt? propter quid ergo gladium portat, qui dictus est minister dei uindex in iram eis qui male agunt? nisi forte, quemadmodum nonnulli eorum sane imperitissimi hoc intellegere solent, de honoribus ecclesiasticis dictum est, ut gladius intellegatur uindicta spiritalis quae excommunicationem operatur, cum prouidentissimus apostolus consequenti contextione lectionis satis aperiat quid loquatur. illic quippe addidit: propter hoc enim et tributa praestatis ac deinde subiunxit: reddite omnibus debita: cui tributum tributum, cui uectigal uectigal, cui honorem honorem, cui timorem timorem.
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I ask this: when the apostle enumerates manifest works of the flesh—which are, he says, fornications, impurities, luxury, service to idols, sorceries, enmities, contentions, jealousies, animosities, dissensions, heresies, envies, drunkennesses, revelries, and things like these—what do these people think, that the crime of idolatry they suppose is justly avenged by the emperors, or if they do not even wish this, why do they justly admit that the force of the laws is exerted against sorcerers, but refuse to admit it against heretics and impious dissensions, when these are numbered among the same fruits of iniquity by apostolic authority? Or is it that such powers of human constitution do not permit the punishment of these things? For what reason, then, does he who is called the minister of God bear the sword, as an avenger in wrath against those who do evil? Unless, as some of them, indeed the most unskilled, are accustomed to understand this, it was said about ecclesiastical honors, so that the sword is understood as the spiritual vengeance which works excommunication, when the most provident apostle, by the consequent context of the reading, sufficiently reveals what he is speaking about. For there he added: for this reason you also pay tributes, and then subjoined: render to all what is due: to whom tribute, tribute; to whom tax, tax; to whom honor, honor; to whom fear, fear.
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hoc ergo iam restat, ut istis disputationibus suis prohibeant christianos tributa persoluere, cum et dominus talia sentientibus Pharisaeis, quos imitantur isti, nummo inspecto responderit: reddite Caesari quod Caesaris est et deo quod dei est. hi uero in utroque inoboedientes atque impii nec deo reddunt christianum amorem nec regibus humanum timorem, ita caeci et insani, ut, cum schismaticos suos Maximianistas per potestates a catholicis imperatoribus missas de basilicis excluserint et ui magna iussionum et auxiliorum cedere sibi compulerint, arguant catholicam, si pro ea catholici principes tale aliquid fieri praeceperint. ipsi uero Maximianistae, antequam essent Maximianistae, id est cum adhuc uno simul Donatistarum consortio tenerentur, quae ab eis Rogatus ille Maurus per regem barbarum Firmum quam saeua quam acerba perpessus sit, recolant et taceant nec conqueri audeant, si quid huiusmodi uel a Primianistis propter suum schisma uel cum Primianistis propter Donatistarum schisma non pro religione sacra, sed pro animositate sacrilega patiuntur.
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Therefore, it now remains that by these arguments of theirs they forbid Christians to pay taxes, even though the Lord, responding to the Pharisees—who thought in such a way and whom these men imitate—after inspecting a coin, said: "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." But these men, disobedient and impious in both respects, render neither Christian love to God nor human fear to the emperors. They are so blind and insane that, although they expelled their own Maximianist schismatics from the basilicas by means of the authorities sent by the Catholic emperors, and compelled them to yield by the great force of orders and assistance, they accuse the Catholic Church if Catholic rulers order anything of the kind to be done on its behalf. As for the Maximianists themselves, before they were Maximianists—that is, when they were still held together in the single fellowship of the Donatists—let them recall and keep silent about what that Rogatus the Moor suffered at the hands of the barbarian king Firmus, how savage and bitter it was, and let them not dare to complain if they suffer anything of this sort either from the Primianists on account of their own schism, or together with the Primianists on account of the Donatist schism, not for the sake of sacred religion, but because of sacrilegious animosity.
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Fortassis enim dicunt grauiora se perpessos a catholicis imperatoribus quam isti fecerunt uel per reges barbarorum Rogatistis uel per iudices catholicorum imperatorum Maximianistis uel etiam faciunt per furorem circumcellionum quibuscumque potuerint. quasi uero inde quaestio est, utrum grauiora patiantur quam faciunt, quod quidem nullo modo concesserim. multa enim eorum saeuissima et acerbissima numerantur, immo numerari non possunt, quae si pauciora essent uel eos in quos admittuntur minus affligerent, eo ipso essent certe grauiora, quod non ab ordinatis potestatibus iubentur, sed extraordinariis furoribus admittuntur. non enim tam multa sunt quae aduersus Maximianistas per iudices humanae constitutionis egerunt. in eo genere actionum ponant, si uolunt, quae etiam ad persequendum Rogatum Maurum ab eis per Firmum barbarum gesta sunt, et illum licet hostem immanissimum Romanorum in legitimis potestatibus numerent. sed haec non tam multa sunt, quam multa cotidie per furiosos ebriosorum iuuenum greges quibus principes constituunt, qui primum tantummodo fustibus, nunc etiam ferro se armare coeperunt, qui circumcellionum notissimo nomine per totam Africam uagantur et saeuiunt, contra omnem ordinem legum potestatumque committunt.
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For perhaps they say that they have suffered more grievous things from Catholic emperors than those men did either through the kings of the barbarians against the Rogatists, or through the judges of Catholic emperors against the Maximianists, or even do through the fury of the Circumcellions against whomever they can. As if the question were whether they suffer more grievous things than they do—which indeed I would in no way concede. For many of their most savage and bitter deeds are counted, indeed cannot be counted, which, even if they were fewer or afflicted those against whom they are committed less, would by that very fact certainly be more grievous, because they are not commanded by established authorities, but are committed by extraordinary furies. For not so many are the things which they did against the Maximianists through judges of human establishment. In that kind of action let them place, if they wish, even those things which were done by them through the barbarian Firmus for persecuting Rogatus Maurus, and let them count him, although a most savage enemy of the Romans, among the legitimate authorities. But these are not so many as the many things done daily by the furious bands of drunken youths to whom they appoint leaders, who at first armed themselves only with clubs, but now have begun also with iron, who wander and rage under the well-known name of Circumcellions throughout all Africa, committing acts against all order of laws and authorities.
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quorum scelera cum ad eos deferuntur, fingunt se ignorare tale hominum genus uel omnino ad se non pertinere contra quam omnes homines norunt ore impudentissimo affirmant; neque hanc saltem uocem totius orbis accipiunt, multo probabilius ueriusque dicentis nescire se quid in Africa gestum sit siue a parte Donati siue contra partem Donati, si licet in ipsa Africa Donatistis episcopis Donatistarum circumcellionum uel facta nescire uel dicere ad se non pertinere. Sed, ut dicere coeperam, non hoc modo quaeritur, utrum patiantur grauiora quam faciunt, sed utrum aduersus haereticos et schismaticos fieri tale aliquid liceat. si enim dicunt non licere, cur ipsi faciunt? si autem licere fatentur, etiamsi ostendant, quod nullo modo possunt, grauiora se perpeti a catholicis imperatoribus quam ipsi per iudices eorum uel per reges barbarorum schismaticis suis fecerunt uel per insaniam circumcellionum omni generi hominum faciunt, neque hoc mirandum est, si plus possunt principes quam missi a principibus iudices; si plus possunt Romani imperatores quam barbari reges, et si merito grauiora legibus patitur latro quam contra leges ipse committit. unde merito constitutionibus iustis grauiora patiuntur circumcellionum mancipes quam faciunt circumcelliones. et tamen tanta est mansuetudo christiana, ut poenas eorum incomparabiliter superent facinora eorum.
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When their crimes are reported to them, they pretend to be ignorant of such a kind of men, or that they have nothing at all to do with them—contrary to which they affirm with the most shameless mouth, against the knowledge of all men; nor do they accept even this voice of the whole world, which would much more probably and truly say that it does not know what has been done in Africa either by the Donatist party or against the Donatist party, if it is permissible that in Africa itself the Donatist bishops either do not know the deeds of the Donatist Circumcellions or say that they have nothing to do with them. But, as I had begun to say, the question is not whether they suffer more grievous things than they do, but whether such a thing is permitted against heretics and schismatics. For if they say it is not permitted, why do they themselves do it? But if they admit it is permitted, even if they show—which they cannot do in any way—that they suffer more grievous things from Catholic emperors than they themselves have done to their own schismatics either through the judges of those emperors or through the kings of the barbarians, or than they do to every kind of man through the madness of the Circumcellions, neither is this to be wondered at, if princes can do more than judges sent by princes; if Roman emperors can do more than barbarian kings, and if deservedly a robber suffers more grievous things by the laws than he himself commits against the laws. Hence deservedly the masters of the Circumcellions suffer more grievous things by just constitutions than the Circumcellions do. And yet such is Christian gentleness, that the punishments they suffer are incomparably less than their crimes.
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sed ecce damnauerunt in concilio suo Maximianistas trecenti et decem episcopi Donatistae, illi autem pertinacia peruersitatis suae basilicis cedere nolebant. aditi sunt iudices, concilium eorum proconsularibus gestis inditum est. deinde iussum est, ut illi qui tanto episcoporum numero damnati sunt cederent locis. qui facile cesserunt non multa passi sunt, qui autem resistere temptauerunt quemadmodum afflicti sint quis ignorat? sed tamen si tanta fuisset immanitas resistentium, ut ad iniurias iudicum perueniret, nonne multo acerbiora Romanis legibus paterentur? sic et tunc, cum post terminum causae, in qua se isti a catholica praeciderunt, consequenter agi coepisset, ut basilicas non tenerent, et tenerent imperialibus resistendo iussionibus et sic resistendo, ut uis illa circumcellionum notissima praeualeret, addendo etiam insuper, ut cum donis ecclesiae quos miserat imperator per Africam euntes turbulentissimis et saeuissimis seditionibus agitarent, tales in eos leges proferebantur, ut ne ipsas quidem basilicas quae non erant unitatis, sed a separatis atque in suo iam schismate constitutis fuerant fabricatae, retinere sinerentur. qua in re iam suas iniurias potestas regia uindicauit. quid enim ualent iuste possidere inimici iustitiae?
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But behold: in their council, three hundred and ten Donatist bishops condemned the Maximianists; yet those men, through the stubbornness of their perversity, refused to yield the basilicas. The judges were approached, and their council was recorded in the proconsular acts. Then it was ordered that those who had been condemned by so great a number of bishops should give way as to the places. Those who yielded easily did not suffer much; but those who attempted to resist—how they were afflicted, who does not know? Yet if the savagery of those resisting had been so great as to reach the point of injuries against the judges, would they not have suffered far harsher penalties under Roman laws? So too then, when after the conclusion of the case in which these men cut themselves off from the Catholic Church, proceedings consequently began to ensure that they would not hold the basilicas—and they did hold them, resisting imperial orders, and resisting in such a way that that most notorious force of the Circumcellions prevailed, adding also that, when the emperor’s envoys carrying gifts of the Church were traveling through Africa, they were harassed by the most turbulent and savage seditions—such laws were brought against them that they were not even permitted to retain those basilicas which had not been built by the unity, but by those already separated and established in their own schism. In this matter, the royal power has already avenged its own injuries. For what can the enemies of justice justly possess?
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Nec pro eis aliquid promulgasse inuenitur nisi apostata Iulianus, cui pax et unitas christiana nimium displicebat, quandoquidem ipsa ei unde impie ceciderat religio displiceret. cui quidem isti Donatistae, sicut iudicum gesta testantur quibus id quod impetrauerant allegarunt, talibus uerbis supplicauerunt, ut ei fortasse mitius ad idolorum cultum quidam timore consenserint quam eum isti furore laudauerint. dixerunt enim, quod aput eum sola iustitia locum haberet. quid ergo aliud dixisse repperiuntur nisi uel christianam sanctitatem non esse iustitiam, quae aput illum nullum haberet locum, aut honorem daemonum esse iustitiam, qui aput illum primum haberet locum? aliorum autem imperatorum leges quam uehementes aduersus eos latae sint quis ignorat? in quibus una generalis aduersus omnes, qui se christianos dici uolunt et ecclesiae catholicae non communicant, sed suis separatis conuenticulis congregantur, id continet, ut uel ordinator clerici uel ipse ordinatus denis libris auri multentur, locus uero ipse quo impia separatio congregatur redigatur in fiscum. sunt et aliae iussiones generales, quibus eis uel faciendi testamenta uel per donationes aliquid conferendi facultas adimitur uel ex donationibus aut testamentis aliquid capiendi.
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Nor is it found that any decree was issued in their favor except by the apostate Julian, to whom Christian peace and unity were exceedingly displeasing, since the religion from which he had impiously fallen was itself displeasing to him. Indeed, these Donatists, as the judicial records which they adduced to prove what they had obtained bear witness, supplicated him in such terms that perhaps some have consented more mildly to the worship of idols out of fear than these men praised him in their frenzy. For they said that before him alone justice had a place. What else, then, are they found to have said, except that either Christian sanctity is not justice, since it had no place before him, or that the honor of demons is justice, since it held the first place before him? But who is ignorant of how vehement the laws of other emperors were enacted against them? Among these, one general law against all who wish to be called Christians and do not communicate with the Catholic Church, but gather in their own separate conventicles, contains this: that either the ordainer of a cleric or the ordained person himself be fined ten pounds of gold, and the place itself where the impious separation gathers be confiscated to the treasury. There are also other general decrees by which the capacity either to make wills or to confer anything by donations is taken away from them, or to receive anything from donations or wills.
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nam in quadam causa cum homo nobilis imperatoribus supplicasset, quod soror eius, quae de parte Donati fuerit, cum defungeretur, in nescio quos communionis suae et maxime in quendam Augustinum episcopum eorum plurima contulisset, ex illa generali lege praeceptum est, ut omnia fratri restituerentur; ubi etiam circumcellionum mentio facta est, si more suo uiolenter obsisterent, quo genere auxiliorum et amminiculis repellerentur. sic enim noti, sic multis proeliis probati sunt, ut de his et supplex imperatoris et imperator tacere non posset. Quae cum ita sint, cum et diuinis et humanis legibus ita damnentur, tanta est tamen mansuetudo christiana, ut non solum teneant basilicas quas iam praecisi aedificarunt, sed nec eas omnes reddiderint unitati quas ab exordio unitas tenuit. et cum ipsi Maximianistas de basilicis ad partem Donati pertinentibus per iudices a catholicis imperatoribus missos instanter excluserint, tamen a multis locis, quos catholica ante unitas retinebat, nec ipsorum catholicorum imperatorum legibus excluduntur. postremo, si quid forte aliquando immoderatius in eos factum est, ut christianam excederet lenitatem, displicet omnibus frumentis messis dominicae, id est in Christo laudabilibus christians, qui siue centenario siue sexagenario siue tricenario fructu in catholica ecclesia toto orbe succrescunt.
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For in a certain case, when a man of noble rank had petitioned the emperors because his sister, who had belonged to the Donatist party, had upon her death bequeathed a great deal to some persons of her own communion and especially to a certain Augustinus, their bishop, it was ordered by that general law that everything should be restored to the brother; where mention was also made of the Circumcellions, if they should violently resist in their usual manner, by what kind of forces and supports they should be repelled. For they are so well known, so proven by many conflicts, that neither the emperor’s suppliant nor the emperor himself could be silent about them. Since these things are so, and since they are condemned by both divine and human laws, yet such is Christian gentleness that not only do they hold the basilicas which they built after their separation, but they have not even restored all those which the unity held from the beginning. And although they themselves, the Maximianists, were forcibly expelled from the basilicas belonging to the Donatist party by judges sent by Catholic emperors, yet from many places which the Catholic unity formerly retained, they are not expelled even by the laws of those same Catholic emperors. Finally, if anything at any time has been done somewhat immoderately against them, exceeding Christian lenity, it displeases all the fruitful harvests of the Lord’s field, that is, those Christians who are praiseworthy in Christ, who, whether with a hundredfold or sixtyfold or thirtyfold fruit, grow up throughout the whole world in the Catholic Church.
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Quapropter zizania uel paleam catholicae segetis nobiscum copiosissime accusent, sed nobiscum ferre patientissime non recusent. qui enim noluit ante tempus eradicare zizania et a frumentorum permixtione separare, sinite, inquit, utraque crescere usque ad messem. et cum inuolucrum eiusdem similitudinis quaerentibus discipulis explicaret, non ait:'ager est Africa', sed ait: ager autem eat hie mundus. per totum ergo mundum seges ista seminata est, per totum superseminata zizania, per totum crescit utrumque usque ad messem. numquid aut Donatus fuit maior messorum aut eo tempore, quo se isti a terrarum orbe separarunt, tempus messis aduenerat, cum idem dominus, ne alicui liceret interpretari quod uellet, apertissime dixerit: messis autem est finis saeculi, messores autem angeli sunt? tales enim messores errare non possunt, ut nec frumenta pro zizaniis colligant nec pro frumentis zizania redigant. isti autem, cum quasi zizania fugiunt, se ipsos esse zizania demonstrarunt, in manifestissimo sacrilegio contra sententiam domini praedicantes, ut, cum ille dicat: sinite utraque crescere usque ad messem, isti per tam magnum agrum id est totum mundum tantummodo zizania crescere, frumenta uero deminuta et in sola Africa remansisse contendant, Christo regi et principi nostro sacrilegam facientes iniuriam.
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Therefore, let them most abundantly accuse the tares or chaff of the Catholic crop along with us, but let them not refuse to bear it most patiently along with us. For he who did not wish to root out the tares before the time and separate them from the mixture of the wheat said, "Let both grow together until the harvest." And when he explained the covering of that same parable to his disciples who were seeking understanding, he did not say, "The field is Africa," but he said, "The field, however, is this world." Therefore, throughout the whole world this crop is sown, throughout the whole world the tares are oversown, throughout the whole world both grow until the harvest. Was Donatus, then, a greater reaper, or had the time of harvest arrived at the time when these men separated themselves from the whole world, when the same Lord, lest anyone be allowed to interpret as he wished, said most clearly: "The harvest, however, is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels"? For such reapers cannot err, so that they neither gather wheat in place of tares nor store tares in place of wheat. But these men, when they flee as if from tares, have shown themselves to be tares, preaching in most manifest sacrilege against the Lord's sentence, so that, while he says, "Let both grow together until the harvest," these men contend that throughout so great a field—that is, the whole world—only tares grow, while the wheat has diminished and remained only in Africa, thus doing sacrilegious injury to Christ, our King and Prince.
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scriptum est enim: in lata gente gloria regis, in deminutione autem populi contritio principis. sed iam tempus est, quantum existimo, ipsa testimonia scripturarum, quae male interpretando decipiunt imperitos, diligenter attendere et quantum donat dominus secundum intellectum catholicae ueritatis aperire. LIBER SECUNDUS. Quae tandem uis nisi caecitas et uanitas animi cogit homines clausis ut dicitur oculis tamquam in alterum iacere, quod in eum qui iecit continuo redeat eumque ictu reciproco affligat intacto illo quem uulnerare uoluerat, sicut isti Donatistae de omnibus fere scripturarum testimoniis faciunt, quae cum se aduersus nos proferre arbitrantur, uelut ammonere nos uidentur, quales eos esse ipsa scriptura conuincat? quid enim facit aliud quod uel pro se uel contra nos Parmenianus putat esse quod scriptum est: uae his qui dicunt quod nequam est bonum et quod bonum est nequam, qui ponunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem, qui ponunt id quod amarum est dulce et dulce amarum? o stultissimam caecitatem! quid enim tam bonum et tam iocundum quam fratres habitantes in unum? quod illi nequam dicunt et amarum ponunt, qui se ab omnibus fratribus separarunt, dum uanas suspiciones suas, ne dicam factiosas calumnias, uel non excitare uel excitatas tolerare noluerunt.
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For it is written: "In a broad people is the glory of the king, but in the diminution of the people is the ruin of the prince." But now it is time, as I think, to attend diligently to those very testimonies of the Scriptures, which by interpreting them badly they deceive the unlearned, and to open them according to the understanding of Catholic truth, as far as the Lord grants. BOOK TWO. What force, then, but blindness and vanity of mind compels men, with eyes closed, as it is said, to hurl as if at another what immediately returns upon the one who hurls it and afflicts him with a reciprocal blow, leaving untouched the one he had wished to wound, just as these Donatists do with almost all the testimonies of the Scriptures, which, when they think they are bringing forward against us, seem to warn us what sort of people they are, as the Scripture itself convicts them? For what else does it do, that which Parmenianus thinks is either for himself or against us, that which is written: "Woe to those who say that what is evil is good and what is good is evil, who place light as darkness and darkness as light, who place what is bitter as sweet and sweet as bitter"? O most foolish blindness! For what is so good and so joyful as brothers dwelling together in unity? That which they call evil and place as bitter, who have separated themselves from all brothers, because they were unwilling either not to stir up their vain suspicions, not to say factious calumnies, or to tolerate them when stirred up.
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qui si ueram paleam odissent et ipsi palea non essent, non propter eam se a tritico dominico per totum agrum id est hunc mundum seminato et crescente seiungerent. Exclament itaque quantum possunt: uae his qui dicunt quod nequam est bonum et quod bonum est nequam. respondemus: 'hoc uerum est' et addimus aliud: uae his qui perdiderunt sustinentiam, dum ponunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem. quid enim lucidius promissis dei, qui temporibus nostris exhibuit quod ante annorum milia praenuntiauit, in semine Abrahae, quod est Christus, benedictionem omnes gentes habituras, et quid tenebrosius praesumptionibus hominum, qui propter temere obiecta et numquam probata crimina traditorum, quae si uera essent numquam deo praeiudicarent quominus quod promisit impleret, perisse dicunt christianum nomen de tot gentibus in orbe terrarum et in sola Africa remansisse? et hanc praesumptionem suam lucem dicunt, promissa uero dei iam ipso effectu rerum inluminata mendaciorum tenebris operire contendunt et insuper aduersus nos facta sua clamant dicentes: uae his qui ponunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem. itane lux erat Optatus et eum tota Africa tenebras appellabat, an eum potius esse tenebras tota Africa sentiebat et isti eum lucem uocabant, qui non ponunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem? 'sed displicebat', inquiunt, 'Optatus in communione nostra omnibus bonis'.
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If they truly hated the true chaff and were not themselves chaff, they would not separate themselves from the Lord's wheat sown and growing throughout the whole field, that is, this world, on account of it. Let them cry out, therefore, as much as they can: "Woe to those who say that what is evil is good and what is good is evil." We reply: "This is true," and we add another: "Woe to those who have lost endurance, while they set light as darkness and darkness as light." For what is more luminous than the promises of God, who in our times has exhibited what he foretold thousands of years before, that in the seed of Abraham, which is Christ, all nations would have a blessing, and what is more dark than the presumptions of men, who, on account of rashly alleged and never proven charges of traitors—which, even if they were true, would never prejudice God from fulfilling what he promised—say that the Christian name has perished from so many nations throughout the world and has remained only in Africa? And they call this presumption of theirs light, while they strive to cover the promises of God, already illuminated by the very effect of events, with the darkness of lies, and moreover they cry out against us with their own deeds, saying: "Woe to those who set light as darkness and darkness as light." Was Optatus light, and did all Africa call him darkness, or rather did all Africa perceive him to be darkness, and did these men call him light, who do not set light as darkness and darkness as light? "But," they say, "Optatus was displeasing in our communion to all good men.
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non ergo eum lucem uocabatis et tamen ei communicabatis. eligite itaque quid uelitis, aut non obesse in una communione tenebras luci, sed sufficere luci ut tenebras improbet et eas pro unitate, si expellere non potest, toleret, atque ita non fuisse causam cur ab innocentibus fratribus, quibus malos certe non potuistis ostendere, etiamsi uobis cognitos fuisse dicatis, tenebroso schismatis sacrilegio disiungeremini; aut si non sufficit luci ut improbet tenebras quas expellere non potest, id est si non sufficit bonis ut improbent malos quos excludere uel emendare non possunt, facilius unus Optatus partem Donati in una Africa notissimus et apertissimus maculauit quam quilibet Afer traditor tot gentes per orbem terrarum, etsi non dicam falsis criminibus accusatus, tamen, quod impudentissime negatur, ignotus. Accipientes itaque peruerso corde scripturas non eas faciunt obesse nobis, sed sibi, quando ad hoc putant esse scriptum: uae his qui dicunt quod nequam est bonum et quod bonum est nequam, ne paleam frumenta inter se tolerent usque ad tempus uentilationis, ut, cum male intellegunt: uae his qui dicunt quod nequam est bonum et quod bonum est nequam, compleatur in eis: uae his qui perdiderunt sustinentiam.
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Therefore you did not call him light, and yet you communicated with him. So choose what you want: either darkness does not harm light in one communion, but it is enough for light to disapprove of darkness and, if it cannot expel it, to tolerate it for the sake of unity, and thus there was no reason for you to be separated from innocent brothers, whom you certainly could not prove to be evil, even if you claim to have known them, by the dark sacrilege of schism; or, if it is not enough for light to disapprove of darkness which it cannot expel—that is, if it is not enough for the good to disapprove of the evil whom they cannot exclude or correct—then one Optatus, most notorious and open in Africa, stained the Donatist party more easily than any African traditor stained so many nations throughout the world, even if I do not say accused of false charges, but, what is most shamelessly denied, unknown. Therefore, receiving the scriptures with a perverse heart, they do not make them harmful to us, but to themselves, when they think that this is written: "Woe to those who say that what is worthless is good and what is good is worthless," so that the chaff and the grain tolerate each other until the time of winnowing, so that, when they misunderstand: "Woe to those who say that what is worthless is good and what is good is worthless," it is fulfilled in them: "Woe to those who have lost their endurance.
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si autem intellegant in eos hoc esse dictum, qui opinantes quod malum est bonum esse mala committunt uel hi qui talibus laudando atque approbando consentiunt, quae duo genera uno in loco scriptura commemorat dicens: quoniam laudatur peccator in desideriis animae suae et qui iniqua gerit benedicetur, recte intellegent nec turbabuntur, cum et aput ipsos inueniuntur mali, nisi quod eos pro Donati parte tolerant quos pro Christi unitate debuerunt, et per hanc obstinationem animositatis suae coguntur miseri in schismate suo ferre quos norunt, in orbe terrarum accusare quos nesciunt. quisquis ergo uel quod potest arguendo corrigit uel quod corrigere non potest saluo pacis uinculo excludit uel quod saluo pacis uinculo excludere non potest aequitate inprobat, firmitate subportat, hic est pacificus et ab isto maledicto quo scriptura dicit: uae his qui dicunt quod nequam est bonum et quod bonum est nequam, qui ponunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem, qui ponunt quod amarum est dulce et quod dulce est amarum omnino liber, prorsus securus, penitus alienus.
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If, however, they understand that this was said against those who, thinking that what is evil is good, commit evil deeds, or those who consent to such persons by praising and approving them—two kinds which Scripture mentions in one place, saying: “Because the sinner is praised in the desires of his soul, and he who does iniquitous things is blessed”—they will understand correctly and will not be disturbed, even when they find evil persons among themselves, except that they tolerate them for the sake of Donatus’ party whom they ought to have tolerated for the sake of Christ’s unity, and through this obstinacy of their animosity they are forced, wretchedly, to bear in their schism those whom they know, and to accuse in the whole world those whom they do not know. Therefore, whoever either corrects what he can by arguing, or excludes what he cannot correct while preserving the bond of peace, or, what he cannot exclude while preserving the bond of peace, he disapproves with equity and endures with firmness—this man is a peacemaker, and from that curse of which Scripture says: “Woe to those who say that what is worthless is good and what is good is worthless, who set light as darkness and darkness as light, who set what is bitter as sweet and what is sweet as bitter,” he is completely free, utterly secure, entirely untouched.
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Obiciunt iterum simile aliquid solita caecitate. de uobis, inquiunt, dicit scriptura: qui iudicat iustum iniustum, iniustum uero iustum, execrabilis aput deum. cur non ista execratio potius in illos cadit, qui uniuersum orbem terrarum christianum damnare ausi sunt inauditum, in quo tam ingenti hominum numero sine ulla dubitatione fuerunt et sunt ab eorum criminibus innocentes? hoc ergo modo quod iustum est iudicarunt iniustum, quod autem iniustum est iudicarunt iustum, cum Optatum Gildonianum, decennalem totius Africae gemitum, tamquam sacerdotem atque collegam honorantes in communione tenuerunt. aut si eum corde improbabant, sed pro pace tolerabant, discant nullius pacifici patientiam malo non consentientem ab ullis malis posse maculari, atque ita sentiant, in qua perditione iaceant qui propter falsa siue uera — non enim hoc nunc quaeritur — crimina Afrorum unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis non seruant cum orbe terrarum. qui si dicerent: 'nescimus an sint per tot gentes terrarum transmarinarum boni christiani', impudentissime dicerent. deus enim perhibet testimonium frumentis suis, quae per totum agrum seminans quamuis cum zizaniis a diabolo superseminatis tamen usque ad messem crescere praenuntiauit; unde etsi homines ipsos minus nouimus, esse tamen eos ideo nouimus, quia mentiri deum non potuisse fide certissima retinemus.
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They again bring up something similar with their usual blindness. "The Scripture speaks of you," they say: "Whoever judges the just as unjust, and the unjust as just, is abominable before God." Why does this abomination not rather fall upon those who dared to condemn the entire Christian world—an unheard-of thing—in which, among such a vast multitude of people, there were and are without any doubt many innocent of their crimes? In this way, therefore, they have judged what is just as unjust, and what is unjust as just, when they held Optatus Gildonianus—the ten-year-long groan of all Africa—in communion, honoring him as a priest and colleague. Or if they disapproved of him in their hearts but tolerated him for the sake of peace, let them learn that no peacemaker's patience, when it does not consent to evil, can be stained by any evils; and thus let them realize in what ruin they lie who, because of false—or even true, for this is not now the question—crimes of the Africans, do not preserve the unity of spirit in the bond of peace with the whole world. If they were to say, "We do not know whether there are good Christians among so many nations of transmarine lands," they would speak most shamelessly. For God bears witness to his own wheat, which, though sown throughout the entire field with the tares oversown by the devil, he nevertheless foretold would grow until the harvest; hence, even if we know the men themselves less, we still know that they exist because we hold with the most certain faith that God could not lie.
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cum ergo sacrilega impudentia dicerent: 'nescimus utrum sint in cetero terrarum orbe boni christiani,' uideant qua insania dicere audeant — cotidie enim non dubitant dicere —: (scimus non ibi esse christianos'. aliud est utique 'nescimus an sint', aliud 'scimus quod non sint': utrumque infidele et impium est. sed si detestandus est qui dicit: 'nescio an uera dixerit deus', quid est ille qui dicit: 'scio quod non uera dixerit deus'? Certe arbitror quod neminem istorum offendere debeo, si Donato deum praeposuero. quantumlibet enim ament Donatum, plus timent deum; postremo, quantum ipsi ament Donatum, nos nouimus quia solus deus uerax est, omnis autem homo mendax. Christus ergo, qui super omnia deus est benedictus in saecula et qui uerissime de se ipso dixit: ego sum ueritas, cum serui eius ab eo quaererent, utrum uellet eos ire et colligere zizania, sinite, inquit, utraque crescere usque ad messem, Donatus autem dicit zizania quidem creuisse, frumenta uero esse deminuta. eligant isti cui credant. Christus id est ueritas dicit: ager est hic mundus, Donatus autem dicit agrum dei solam Africam remansisse. eligant cui credant. Christus id est ueritas dicit: in tempore messis dicam messoribus: colligite primum zizania et exponit dicens: messis est finis saeculi, Donatus autem dicit per praecisionem partis suae ante messem a frumentis zizania separata. eligant cui credant.
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Therefore, when with sacrilegious impudence they said, "We do not know whether there are good Christians in the rest of the world," let them see with what madness they dare to say—for daily they do not hesitate to say—: "We know that there are no Christians there." It is one thing, of course, to say "we do not know whether they exist," another to say "we know that they do not exist": both are faithless and impious. But if he who says, "I do not know whether God has spoken truly" is detestable, what is he who says, "I know that God has not spoken truly"? Certainly I think that I should offend none of them if I place God before Donatus. For however much they love Donatus, they fear God more; finally, however much they themselves love Donatus, we know that God alone is truthful, but every human is a liar. Therefore Christ, who is above all God blessed forever and who most truly said of himself, "I am the truth," when his servants asked him whether he wanted them to go and gather the tares, said, "Let both grow until the harvest." But Donatus says that the tares have indeed grown, but the wheat has diminished. Let them choose whom to believe. Christ, that is, the truth, says: "The field is this world." But Donatus says that God's field is only Africa remaining. Let them choose whom to believe. Christ, that is, the truth, says: "At the time of the harvest I will tell the reapers: 'First gather the tares,'" and he explains, saying: "The harvest is the end of the world." But Donatus says that by the cutting off of his own party the tares have been separated from the wheat before the harvest. Let them choose whom to believe.
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Christus id est ueritas dicit: messores angeli sunt, Donatus autem dicit se atque collegas suos hoc fecisse ante messem quod ille dixit angelos in messe facturos. eligant cui credant. certe christianos se dicunt: Christum eis Donatumque proponimus. si uerba dant Christo, cor autem Donato, considerent qui sint. ego parco, non inuehor, non exaggero, dolorem meum melius premo quam promo. si autem dicunt se Christo dare cor suum, Christo ergo credant dicenti quod per totum mundum et filii regni crescant et filii maligni, non Donato dicenti quod per mundum filii maligni tantummodo creuerint, filii autem boni usque ad solam Africam deminuti sint. quodsi Christo credunt, non iam dicimus cum ecclesiis orbis terrarum, sed cum ipso euangelio pacem habeant, quod ab igne se conseruasse mendaciter iactitant, quia factis non probant. Iam illud quo pertinet quod idem Parmenianus ex propheta Esaia nobis obiciendum putauit: numquid non ualet manus domini saluos facere aut grauauit aurem ne exaudiat? sed delicta uestra distingunt inter medium uestrum et dei, et propter peccata uestra auertit faciem a uobis ne misereatur. manus enim uestrae sanguine coinquinatae sunt et digiti uestri in peccatis; labia autem uestra locuta sunt iniquitatem et lingua uestra iniustitiam meditatur. nemo loquitur iusta nec est iudicium uerum.
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Christ, that is, truth, says: the reapers are angels; Donatus, however, says that he and his colleagues did before the harvest what he said the angels would do in the harvest. Let them choose whom to believe. Certainly they call themselves Christians: we set before them Christ and Donatus. If they give words to Christ, but their heart to Donatus, let them consider who they are. I spare them, I do not inveigh, I do not exaggerate; I suppress my grief better than I express it. But if they say they give their heart to Christ, then let them believe Christ, who says that throughout the whole world both the sons of the kingdom and the sons of the wicked grow, not Donatus, who says that throughout the world only the sons of the wicked have grown, while the good sons have been diminished to Africa alone. But if they believe Christ, let them have peace not only with the churches of the whole world, but with the Gospel itself, which they boastfully claim to have preserved from the fire, though they do not prove it by their deeds. Now to what end does that which the same Parmenianus thought should be objected to us from the prophet Isaiah pertain: does not the hand of the Lord avail to save, or has it burdened the ear so that it does not hear? But your sins distinguish between you and God, and on account of your sins he turns his face away from you so that he may not have mercy. For your hands are stained with blood and your fingers are in sins; your lips have spoken iniquity and your tongue meditates injustice. No one speaks justly, nor is there true judgment.
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confidunt in uanis et locuntur inania, quia parturiunt dolorem et pariunt iniquitatem. oua asp idum eruperunt et telam araneae texunt, et qui erat de ouis illis manducaturus conterens inuenit olidum et in ipso basiliscum. tela eorum non erit ad uestiendum neque se operient de operibus suis. opera enim illorum opera iniquitatis, pedes autem eorum ad nequitiam currunt ueloces ad effundendum sanguinem, et cogitationes eorum cogitationes insipientium. contritio et miseria in uiis eorum, et uiam pacis non cognouerunt? quos isto loco scriptura describit, ubicumque fuerint etiam inter bonos non obsunt bonis, sicut non obest palea frumentis, donec ueniat dominus areae ferens uentilabrum in manu sua et mundet aream suam, frumenta recondat in horreum, paleam uero comburat igni inextinguibili; sicut non obfuit bonis tanta multitudo sceleratorum, quod per Ezechielem prophetam didicimus, illis uidelicet qui gemebant et maerebant facinora populi quae fiebant in medio eorum. unde, quia eos corrigere non poterant nec ab unitate populi dei se ullo modo separare debebant, pro merito innocentissimae tolerantiae suae signari meruerunt et in illorum perditorum uastatione atque interitu liberari.
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They trust in vain things and speak empty words, because they are in labor with grief and give birth to iniquity. The eggs of asps have burst forth, and they weave a spider's web; and whoever was about to eat from those eggs, upon crushing them, finds a stench and a basilisk within. Their web will not serve for clothing, nor will they cover themselves with their own works. For their works are works of iniquity, and their feet run swiftly to wickedness, to the shedding of blood, and their thoughts are the thoughts of the foolish. Are not contrition and misery in their paths, and have they not known the way of peace? Whomsoever Scripture describes in this passage, wherever they may be, even among the good, they do not harm the good, just as chaff does not harm the grain, until the lord of the threshing-floor comes, bearing a winnowing-fan in his hand, and cleanses his floor, stores the grain in the granary, and burns the chaff with inextinguishable fire; just as such a great multitude of evildoers did not harm the good, as we have learned through the prophet Ezekiel, namely those who groaned and grieved over the crimes of the people that were committed in their midst. Hence, because they could not correct them nor ought they in any way to separate themselves from the unity of the people of God, they deserved to be marked by the merit of their most innocent tolerance and to be set free in the devastation and destruction of those lost ones.
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uerumtamen isti qui haec catholicis obiciunt cur non se respiciunt, quorum et cateruae gregum furiosorum huc atque illuc armatae ferro ac fustibus uolitant et tam crebris ubi potuerint stragibus nequaquam in tanta immanitate satiantur, ubi per busta cadauerum eorum cum feminis, quae cum illis passim commixtae contra ordinem rerum diuinarum et humanarum diebus ac noctibus euagantur, tanta feruet ebrietas, ut inde insaniam cotidianam non solum alios insectandi, sed etiam se ipsos praecipitandi concipiant? horum pedes ad malitiam non currunt nec ueloces sunt ad effundendum sanguinem? ab istis non recedit iudicium, qui sibi etiam iniustissimas licentias inordinatae potestatis usurpant? istis non fiunt tenebrae, dum sustinent lumen in falso martyrio? nonne in media nocte ambulant et per diem, quandoquidem dicit apostolus: qui inebriantur nocte sunt ebrii? nonne isti cadunt in meridie quasi media nocte? quod quidem omnium haereticorum est, qui rem manifestissimam in luce omnium gentium constitutam uidere non possunt, extra cuius unitatem quidquid operantur, quamuis magna sollertia et diligentia fieri uideatur, tam illis nihil prodest aduersus iram dei, quam nec aranearum telae possunt defendere a frigore.
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Nevertheless, those who cast these accusations against Catholics—why do they not look at themselves? Their bands of raging mobs, armed with iron and clubs, fly hither and thither, and in such frequent massacres, wherever they can, they are never sated in such savagery. Amid the pyres of corpses, with the women who are promiscuously mingled with them, wandering day and night contrary to the order of divine and human affairs, such drunkenness rages that from it they conceive not only a daily madness for attacking others, but also for hurling themselves headlong. Do not their feet run to evil, and are they not swift to shed blood? Does judgment not depart from them, who usurp for themselves even the most unjust licenses of disordered power? Do not shadows fall upon them while they endure the light in false martyrdom? Do they not walk in the middle of the night and by day, since the apostle says: “Those who get drunk are drunk at night”? Do they not fall at noon as if in the middle of the night? This indeed is the case with all heretics, who cannot see the most evident truth established in the light of all nations. Outside its unity, whatever they do, even if it seems done with great skill and diligence, profits them nothing against the wrath of God, any more than spiders’ webs can protect from the cold.
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Quid ergo de hoc prophetico capitulo ponunt quod in ipsos retorqueri non possit nisi forte de ouis aspidum, quorum multum meminerat dictator ille sententiae plenarii concilii trecentorum decem, cum ex uniuersis prouinciis Africae conuenerunt? hoc certe nunc si uiueret Parmenianus non diceret nec ex propheta Esaia poneret aduersus nos: oua aspidum eruperunt. respiceret enim adiunctum collegio suo Felicianum Mustitanum et Praetextatum Assuritanum, quos ex numero damnatorum quasi bono pacis, non tamen Christi sed Donati, uelut integros denuo receperunt, qui et erant oua aspidum et eruperant. sic enim eos describunt trecenti decem plenarii concilii ore ueridico, sicut eorum gesta etiam proconsularibus gestis allegata testantur. haec enim certe concilii eorum uerba sunt: licetenimuiperei seminis noxios partus uenenati uteri alueus diu texerit et concepti sceleris uda coagula in aspidum membra tardo se calore uaporauerint, tamen conceptum uirus euanescenti umbraculo celari non potuit. nam etsi sero publicum facinus et parricidium suum feta scelerum uota pepererunt. haec oua aspidum iam eruperant iamque horribilia et male olentia cum uenenosis fetibus erant ab eorum communione proiecta, sed erat intus Optatus basiliscus, qui nutu quodam regali, quo inter serpentes excellere dicitur, etiam proiectos aspides reuocaret.
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What then do they set forth from this prophetic chapter that cannot be turned back against themselves, unless perhaps concerning the eggs of asps, of which that author of the sentence of the plenary council of three hundred and ten, when they assembled from all the provinces of Africa, was very mindful? This certainly now, if Parmenianus were alive, he would not say, nor would he set forth against us from the prophet Isaiah: "The eggs of asps have burst forth." For he would look to Felicianus of Musti and Praetextatus of Assura, joined to his own college, whom, as if for the good of peace—not of Christ, however, but of Donatus—they received back again as though whole from the number of the condemned, who both were eggs of asps and had burst forth. For thus the three hundred and ten of the plenary council describe them with truthful mouth, as their acts, also attested by proconsular acts, testify. For these are certainly the words of their council: "For although the noxious offspring of viperine seed, the moist concretions of a poisoned womb, have long been covered by the hollow, and the damp clots of conceived crime have been vaporized into the limbs of asps by slow heat, yet the conceived poison could not be hidden by a fading shelter. For even late, the public crime and their parricide, the vows of crime pregnant with offspring, have brought forth." These eggs of asps had already burst forth, and already horrible and foul-smelling with venomous offspring, they had been cast out from their communion, but within was Optatus the basilisk, who with a certain royal nod, by which he is said to excel among serpents, would recall even the cast-out asps.
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aut si haec pro pace non obsunt, quid catholicis obiciunt quos conuincere nequiuerunt, cum ipsi receperint quos ore proprio damnauerunt? si haec pro pace non obsunt, obsunt tamen pro pace Donati, cui multum fauetur in iniuriam pacis Christi, pro quo sacrilegio quidquid corporalibus molestiis patiuntur ammonitio dei est cauendae damnationis aeternae. nam ipsi uere sanguinem non solum corporaliter per furias circumcellionum, sed etiam spiritaliter fundunt, qui orbem terrarum, si possint, rebaptizare conantur. aut si solus ille sanguinem fundit, qui carnem mortalem uel uulnerat uel uulnere perimit, ille autem non fundit, qui seductas animas sacrilegio schismatis perimit, quare in schismaticos suos Maximianistas per eandem plenarii concilii sui sententiam talia dixerunt: ueloces pedes eorum ad effundendum sanguinem, cum ab eis constet corporaliter neminem occisum, neminem uulneratum, sed insuper eos ab istis multa perpessos, cum de basilicis per iudiciarias potestates excluderentur? qualia multis ante separationem Maximianistarum, cum in uno pariter essent, multa fecerunt, eis qui priora ex parte Donati schismata fecerant. cui enim umquam schismatico suo pepercerunt, qui sibi ab orbe terrarum, cuius ipsi schismatici sunt, nimis impudenter parci uolunt, cum a sola ipsa uera unitate iustissime schismata puniantur, si eo modo ista punienda sunt?
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or if these things do not hinder peace, what do they object to the Catholics whom they have been unable to convict, when they themselves have received those whom they condemned with their own mouth? if these things do not hinder peace, they nevertheless hinder peace for the sake of Donatus, which is greatly favored to the injury of the peace of Christ, for which sacrilege whatever they suffer in bodily afflictions is a warning from God to beware of eternal damnation. for they truly shed blood not only bodily through the furies of the Circumcellions, but also spiritually, who attempt to rebaptize the whole world, if they could. or if only he sheds blood who wounds or kills mortal flesh by a wound, but he does not shed blood who destroys seduced souls by the sacrilege of schism, why did they say such things about their own Maximianist schismatics through the same sentence of their plenary council: "their feet are swift to shed blood," when it is clear that no one was killed by them, no one wounded, but on the contrary they themselves suffered many things from them, when they were expelled from the basilicas by judicial authorities? such things as they did to many before the separation of the Maximianists, when they were together in one body, to those who had made earlier schisms from the party of Donatus. for to which of their own schismatics have they ever shown mercy, who wish to be shown mercy too impudently by the whole world, of which they themselves are schismatics, when schisms are most justly punished by the one true unity alone, if such things are to be punished in this way?
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Et illud quod scriptum est: secundum principem populi sic et ministri ipsius, et qualis rector est ciuitatis tales et inhabitantes, si intellegerent quo pertinet, nec nobis obicerent nec ipsi uana iactantia superbirent. nos enim, ut hominum spem, quae in solo deo tuta recteque secura est, non in hominibus collocemus, quoniam scriptum meminimus: maledictus qui spem suam ponit in homine, non intellegimus hoc loco principem populi et rectorem ciuitatis episcopum significari; non ideo, quia non possumus innumerabiles sanctos in catholica episcopos intueri, sed ne cuiusquam ut dixi spes hominis in homine collocetur et, si ei forte contingat in ea uiuere ciuitate, ubi non sit bonus episcopus, arbitretur impune se malum fieri, usurpans ad defensionem suam tam peruerse intellectam istam scripturam quam peruerse ab istis intellegitur, et dicens ideo se bonum esse non posse, quia secundum principem populi sic et ministri eius, et qualis rector est ciuitatis tales et inhabitantes. contradicitur enim huic errori ueritatis ore dicentis: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt.
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And that which is written: "according to the prince of the people, so also his ministers, and as the ruler of the city is, so are its inhabitants," if they understood to what it pertains, they would neither reproach us with it nor themselves swell with empty boasting. For we, so that we may place the hope of men, which is safe and rightly secure in God alone, not in men—since we remember the scripture: "cursed is he who places his hope in man"—do not understand in this passage the prince of the people and the ruler of the city to signify the bishop; not because we cannot look upon countless saints among the Catholic bishops, but lest anyone's hope, as I said, be placed in a man, and if it should happen that he lives in a city where there is not a good bishop, he should think he may become evil with impunity, usurping for his own defense this scripture so perversely understood as it is perversely understood by them, and saying that he cannot be good because "according to the prince of the people, so also his ministers, and as the ruler of the city is, so are its inhabitants." For this error is contradicted by the mouth of truth saying: "do what they say, but do not do what they do." For they say and do not do.
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habentes itaque plebes tales episcopos, qui bona dicant ex cathedra Moysi et ea quae dicunt non faciant ex pestilentia sua, si illi faciant ea bona quae dicunt et non faciant mala quae faciunt, sicut praecepit dominus, nonne satis indicant non ita intellegendum principem populi et rectorem ciuitatis quomodo isti intellegunt, quia possunt esse populi boni et ubi fuerint episcopi mali, sicut potuit esse populus malus ubi fuit Moyses princeps et rector bonus? errantes enim in uerbis sanctarum scripturarum et, sicut dicit apostolus, non intellegentes neque quae loquuntur neque de quibus affirmant, ipsi potius secundum peruersitatem intellectus sui magnas patiuntur angustias, cum eis dicitur: 'ergo qualis fuit Optatus, talis fuit et plebs Thamugadensis; et si communione sacramentorum, sicut dicitis, contaminantur et illi qui facta mala improbant, etiam illa quae pro pace tolerant unitatis, tales estis et uos omnes, qui et illi collegae uestro et illi plebi communicastis, cum illum tota Africa Gildonis satellitem manifesto gemitu declararet'. quem propterea saepe nomino, quia ita manifestus apparuit, ut ubicumque fuerit nominatus nullus se ignorare respondeat.
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Therefore, if they have peoples with such bishops, who speak good things from the chair of Moses but do not practice what they say due to their own pestilence, and if those bishops do the good things they preach and do not do the evil things they do, as the Lord commands, do they not sufficiently indicate that the saying about the prince of the people and the ruler of the city is not to be understood as these men understand it, because there can be good peoples even where there are evil bishops, just as there could be an evil people where Moses was a good prince and ruler? For they err in the words of the holy scriptures and, as the apostle says, understand neither what they say nor what they affirm; they themselves, rather, suffer great distress according to the perversity of their own understanding, when it is said to them: 'Therefore, as Optatus was, so was the people of Thamugada; and if, as you say, those who disapprove of evil deeds are contaminated by the communion of the sacraments, and even those things which are tolerated for the sake of the peace of unity, then you are all the same, you who communicated both with that colleague of yours and with that people, when all Africa openly declared him to be Gildo's satellite.' I name him often for this reason, because he appeared so manifestly that wherever he is named, no one will answer that they are ignorant of him.
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Nam ipsi respiciant et recordentur quam multos inter se similes habeant, quorum par malitia est, sed impar notitia, et aliquando ueniant ad ueram sententiam istorum uerborum et intellegant unum populi principem dominum nostrum Iesum Christum, cuius ministri sunt boni, et ipsum rectorem ciuitatis illius Hierusalem, quae est mater nostra aeterna in caelis. cuius rectoris dignitati congruunt habitantes non ad aequalitatem, sed pro modo suo, quia dictum esteis sancti eritis, quoniam *' et ego sanctus sum, secundum-quandam scilicet imaginis similitudinem, in quam transformamur de gloria in gloriam tamquam a domini spiritu munere illius, qui nos facit conformes imaginis filii sui. est et alterius mali populi diabolus princeps et rector eius ciuitatis, quae mystice Babylonia dicitur, quoniam principes et rectores tenebrarum harum id est peccatorum ipsum et angelos eius apostolus Paulus appellat, et illius ministri similes eius sunt, quia transfigurant se in ministros iustitiae, sicut ille in angelum lucis, et inhabitantes rectori pessimo in factis similibus congruunt. sed istorum populorum atque ciuitatum tunc erit aperta separatio, cum ista messis fuerit uentilata; quod donec fiat omnia tolerat dilectio frumentorum, ne, dum grana paleam praepropere fugiunt, a consortibus granis impie separentur. '-
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For let them look back and recall how many they have among themselves who are similar, whose malice is equal but whose knowledge is unequal, and let them at last come to the true meaning of these words and understand that there is one prince of the people, our Lord Jesus Christ, whose ministers are the good, and He Himself is the ruler of that city, Jerusalem, which is our eternal mother in heaven. To the dignity of that ruler the inhabitants correspond, not by equality, but according to their own measure, because it is said, 'You will be holy, since "and I am holy,"' according, that is, to a certain likeness of the image into which we are transformed from glory to glory, as by a gift of the Lord's spirit, who makes us conformed to the image of His Son. There is also another evil people, of which the devil is the prince and ruler of its city, which is mystically called Babylon, since the princes and rulers of these shadows—that is, of sinners—the apostle Paul calls him and his angels, and his ministers are like him, because they transform themselves into ministers of justice, just as he transforms himself into an angel of light, and the inhabitants correspond to the worst ruler in their similar deeds. But the open separation of these peoples and cities will occur when this harvest has been winnowed; until that happens, the love of the grains endures everything, lest, while the grains too hastily flee the chaff, they be impiously separated from their fellow grains.
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Quid igitur iam ualet ad causam quod isti nobis obiciunt, quia per Esaiam dicit dominus de malis sacrificatoribus: facinerosus qui sacrificat mihi uitulum quasi qui canem occidat, et qui ponit similaginem quasi sanguinem porcinum, et qui o offert thus in memoria quasi blasphemus? haec omnia multo congruentius de illis dicuntur, qui contra ecclesiam dei toto sicut promissa est orbe diffusam altare sui schismatis erexerunt; quod eos sacrilegium omnes inuoluit, et quilibet ubilibet offert sacrificium tali corde uel factis, ut haec audire mereatur, perniciem sibi infert, non illis bonis qui secundum prophetam Ezechielem gemunt et maerent peccata et iniquitates quae fiunt in medio eorum, quamuis non se inde corporaliter separent; unicuique enim tribuit dominus secundum cor suum. nam si primis temporibus non obfuerunt mali sacerdotes uel collegis bonis, sicut fuit Zacharias, uel popularibus bonis, sicut fuit Nathanahel in quo dolus non erat, quanto magis nihil obest in unitate christiana episcopus malus uel coepiscopis bonis uel laicis bonis, cum iam ille sacerdos in aeternum secundum ordinem Melchisedec et pontifex noster sedens ad dexteram patris interpellat pro nobis, qui traditus est propter delicta nostra et resurrexit propter iustificationem nostram. nec illud ergo bonis obest, sed offerentibus malis, quod uerissime dictum est: dona iniquorum non probat altissimus.
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Therefore, what relevance does it now have to the case that these people throw in our faces, that through Isaiah the Lord says about evil sacrificers: "A criminal who sacrifices a calf to me is like one who kills a dog, and one who offers fine flour is like swine's blood, and one who offers incense in remembrance is like a blasphemer"? All these things are said much more fittingly about those who, against the Church of God spread throughout the whole world as promised, have erected the altar of their schism; that sacrilege involves them all, and whoever anywhere offers a sacrifice with such a heart or such deeds that he deserves to hear these things brings ruin upon himself, not upon those good people who, according to the prophet Ezekiel, groan and mourn over the sins and iniquities that occur in their midst, even though they do not physically separate themselves from there; for the Lord gives to each according to his heart. For if in early times evil priests did not harm either good colleagues, such as Zacharias, or good laypeople, such as Nathanael in whom there was no guile, how much more does a bad bishop harm nothing in Christian unity, either good fellow bishops or good laypeople, when already that priest forever according to the order of Melchisedek and our Pontiff, sitting at the right hand of the Father, intercedes for us, who was handed over because of our sins and rose again for our justification. Therefore, that which is most truly said—"The Most High does not approve the gifts of the wicked"—does not harm the good, but rather the evil offerers.
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non enim dixit: 'dona eorum qui pro pace iniquos tolerant non probat altissimus', cum tamen nec isti ea quae obiecerunt probare potuerint eo tempore quo schisma fecerunt. alioquin illis exclusis istos hereditas Christi toto orbe diffusa in communione catholica detineret. Sacrificia, inquit, impiorum execratio est domino; etenim inique o fferunt illa. iam supra responsum est quia non est iniquus Christus, qui pro nobis se ipsum obtulit et noster in caelo mediator est, quo suam ecclesiam gubernante bonis mali non oberunt qui uel ignorantur uel pro pace tolerantur, donec ipse ueniat ac separet praemissis messoribus a messe zizania et uentilabro paleas a frumentis. quamquam isti, quod saepe dicendum est, falsa crimina obiecerint, quae si etiam uera essent bonorum caritati pro unitate in unitate omnia toleranti nihil nocerent, si ea forte etiam cognita iudicibus ecclesiasticis persuadere non possent. sacrificia ergo impiorum eis ipsis oberunt qui offerunt impie. nam unum atque idem sacrificium propter nomen dei, quod ibi inuocatur et semper est sanctum, tale cuique fit, quali corde ad accipiendum accesserit; qui enim manducat et bibit indigne,. iudicium sibi manducat et bibit. non ait 'aliis*, sed (sibi). qui ergo digne manducat et bibit, gratiam sibi manducat et bibit.
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For he did not say: 'The gifts of those who tolerate the unjust for the sake of peace are not approved by the Most High,' although even they were not able to prove those things which they objected at the time when they made the schism. Otherwise, with those excluded, the inheritance of Christ, spread throughout the whole world, would hold these men in Catholic communion. "Offerings," he says, "of the impious are an abomination to the Lord; for they offer them wickedly." It has already been answered above that Christ is not unjust, who offered himself for us and is our mediator in heaven, by whose governance of his Church the good are not harmed by the evil who are either unknown or tolerated for the sake of peace, until he himself comes and separates the tares from the wheat by the reapers sent ahead, and the chaff from the grain by the winnowing fan. Although these men, as must often be said, have brought false accusations, which, even if they were true, would harm nothing of the charity of the good who tolerate everything for the sake of unity within unity, if perhaps they could not even persuade ecclesiastical judges of them when known. Therefore, the offerings of the impious harm those themselves who offer them impiously. For one and the same sacrifice, on account of the name of God which is invoked there and is always holy, becomes for each person what the heart with which he approaches to receive it is like; for he who eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks judgment for himself. He does not say "for others," but "for himself." Therefore, he who eats and drinks worthily eats and drinks grace for himself.
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illi ergo uideant utrum digne manducent, qui inter tam multos parentes et filios, maritos et uxores, inter tam multos, quod est potissimum, dei heredes et Christi coheredes toto orbe diffusos nefario schismate diuiserunt, cum possent utique, si boni essent et uere malos arguerent, fructuose tolerare pro pace Christi quae perniciose tolerant pro parte Donati. In Exodo. inquit, scriptum est: sacerdotes autem qui accedunt ad dominum deum sanctificentur, ne forte derelinquat eos dominus, et iterum: et cum accedunt ministri ad altare sancti, non adducant in se delictum, ne moriantur, et illud in Leuitico: homo qui habuerit maculam et uitium non accedat offerre dona deo. bene quod de ueteribus libris testimonia ista proponunt. dicant ergo mihi, cui sancto secundum salutem spiritalem obfuerit uel in sacerdotibus uel inter populum constituto malus aut maculatus sacerdos. ubi erat Moyses et Aaron, ibi murmuratores sacrilegi, quos deus semper a facie sua perdere minabatur; ubi erat Caiphas et ceteri tales, ibi Zacharias, ibi Simeon et ceteri boni; ubi Saul, ibi Dauid; ubi Hieremias, ubi Esaias, ubi Danihel, ubi Ezechiel, ibi sacerdotes mali et populi mali; sed sarcinam suam unusquisque portabat.
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Let them, then, see whether they worthily partake, who among so many parents and children, husbands and wives, among so many—what is most important—heirs of God and co-heirs of Christ scattered throughout the whole world, have divided them by a nefarious schism, when they could, if they were good and truly accused the wicked, fruitfully tolerate for the sake of Christ's peace what they perniciously tolerate for the sake of Donatus' faction. In Exodus, he says, it is written: "But the priests who approach the Lord God shall be sanctified, lest the Lord abandon them," and again: "And when the ministers approach the altar of the holy one, they shall not bring sin upon themselves, lest they die," and that in Leviticus: "A man who has a blemish or defect shall not approach to offer gifts to God." It is good that they propose these testimonies from the old books. Let them tell me, then, to which saint, with regard to spiritual salvation, a wicked or blemished priest was harmful, whether among the priests or among the people. Where Moses and Aaron were, there were sacrilegious murmurers, whom God always threatened to destroy from His face; where Caiaphas and others like him were, there were Zacharias, there Simeon and other good men; where Saul was, there was David; where Jeremiah, where Isaiah, where Daniel, where Ezekiel were, there were wicked priests and wicked peoples; but each one carried his own burden.
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Omitto dicere quam scelerata superbia dicatur neminem esse inter collegas suos uel se ipsum non esse cum aliqua macula et uitio non membrorum, sed quod peius est morum. quod ubi agere cum eis coeperimus, respondent interesse qualis sit macula et quale uitium, quasi scriptura discreuerit quae ait: homo qui habuerit maculam et uitium non accedat offerre dona deo. nullamne maculam et uitium habuit non dico Optatus, sed ipse Parmenianus aut ipse Donatus? sed tanto isti amore hominum caeci sunt et corde impudico adulteros mentis suae uni legitimo uiro coaequare non dubitant, ut quod de solo domino Iesu Christo dici potuit etiam in Donato perfectum fuisse contendant. quis dabit oculis meis fontem lacrimarum? quis congruus huic sceleri gemitus concusso pectore exprimitur? sed interim attendant utrum saltem Optatus habuerit aliquam maculam aut aliquod uitium; non usque adeo caeci sunt, ut et istius uitam omnino immaculatam et omni uitio carentem fuisse respondeant. cur ergo accedebat offerre dona deo et ab eo ceteri coniunctis manibus accipiebant, quod maculosus et uitiosus obtulerat? attendant in ceteris suis utrum nulla sit macula ebriositas, sed prius legant quibus sceleratis ebriosos apostolus Paulus adiunxerit; utrum auaritia nulla sit macula, quam idem apostolus sic detestatur, ut idolorum comparet seruituti.'
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I omit to say with what criminal pride it is asserted that there is no one among their colleagues, or even that they themselves are not without some blemish and defect—not of the body, but, what is worse, of character. When we begin to deal with them on this point, they reply that it matters what kind of blemish and what kind of defect it is, as if Scripture had made a distinction when it says: "A man who has a blemish or defect shall not approach to offer gifts to God." Had no blemish and defect, I do not say Optatus, but Parmenianus himself, or Donatus himself? But these men are so blinded by their love of men and with unchaste heart do not hesitate to equate the adulterers of their own mind with the one legitimate husband, that they contend that what could be said only of the Lord Jesus Christ was also perfect in Donatus. Who will give to my eyes a fountain of tears? What groan befitting this crime is wrung from a stricken breast? But let them meanwhile consider whether at least Optatus had any blemish or any defect; they are not so blind as to answer that his life was entirely immaculate and free from every defect. Why, then, did he approach to offer gifts to God, and why did the rest receive from him with joined hands what a blemished and defective man had offered? Let them consider in their other members whether drunkenness is no blemish; but first let them read to what criminal deeds the apostle Paul has joined drunkards; whether avarice is no blemish, which the same apostle so detests that he compares it to the service of idols.
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Qui autem rectissime sapiunt, intellegunt quemlibet hominum, quamuis iam pro consortio societatis humanae non absurde dici possit iustissime uiuere, non posse tamen esse sine aliquo uitio, quamdiu caro concupiscit aduersus spiritum, spiritus autem aduersus carnem, et: qui natus est ex deo non peccat, et: si dixerimus quia peccatum non habemus, nos ipsos seducimus et ueritas in nobis non est. quamuis enim, in quantum ex deo nati sumus, non peccemus, inest tamen adhuc etiam quod ex Adam sumus, quia nondum est absorta mors in uictoriam, quod etiam in corporum resurrectione promittitur, ut omni modo beati et immaculati et incorrupti simus qui iam secundum fidem filii dei sumus, sed secundum speciem nondum apparuit quod erimus. nondum enim re, sed spe salui facti sumus. spes autem quae uidetur non est spes. quod enim uidet quis, quid sperat? si autem quod non uidemus speramus, per patientiam exspectamus. quamdiu autem per patientiam exspectamus redemptionem corporis nostri, non audeamus nos dicere carere omni uitio, ne ipsa superbia sit immanissimum uitium, et euigilemus aliquando atque uideamus in sacerdotibus illius temporis, cum corporalia uitia uitabantur, illum praefigurari, qui cum esset deus factus est homo propter nos, solus uere agnus immaculatus et sacerdos sine uitio.
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Those, however, who think most rightly understand that any human being, although it may not be absurd to say that he lives most justly for the sake of human society, cannot yet be without some vice as long as the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh, and: "he who is born of God does not sin," and: "if we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." For although, insofar as we are born of God, we do not sin, yet there still remains in us also that which we are from Adam, because death has not yet been swallowed up in victory, which is promised even in the resurrection of the bodies, so that we may be in every way blessed and immaculate and incorrupt, who are already sons of God according to faith, but according to form what we shall be has not yet appeared. For we are saved not yet in reality, but in hope. But hope which is seen is not hope. For what does one see, what does he hope for? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with patience. But as long as we wait with patience for the redemption of our body, let us not dare to say that we are free from every vice, lest pride itself be the most monstrous vice, and let us at last wake up and see that in the priests of that time, when bodily vices were avoided, that one was prefigured who, though he was God, became man for our sake, the only truly immaculate lamb and priest without vice.
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ideoque et tunc sacerdos solus intrabat in sancta sanctorum, populus autem stabat foris, sicut nunc ille sacerdos post resurrectionem intrauit in secreta caelorum, ut ad dexteram patris interpellet pro nobis, populus autem cuius ille sacerdos est adhuc foris gemit. nam cum episcopo intus est populus et orat cum illo et quasi suscribens ad eius uerba respondet 'amen'. usque adeo tunc, quando sine ulla macula et sine ullo uitio, quia non poterant animi, sacerdotum corpora quaerebantur, solus ille praefigurabatur, non isti superbi et impii, qui fornicante anima non zelant sponso, sed eis se audent ostentare pro sponso. In euangelio, inquit, scriptum est: deus peccatores non audiet; sed si quis dominum coluerit et uoluntatem eius fecerit, illum audiet. et hic absoluta responsio est. si enim duo simul orent, unus peccator et alter qui dominum colit et uoluntatem eius facit, nimirum illum audit, illum non audit. quid sibi ergo uult hoc testimonium uel quomodo pro se arbitrantur esse proferendum, cum his uerbis maxime securi fiant inter malos boni nec ulla causa corporalis separationis existat, ut nefario schismate homines etiam a bonis per spiritalem discordiam separentur, quandoquidem possunt et mali inter bonos non exaudiri propter infidelitatem suam et boni inter malos exaudiri propter fidem suam?
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And so even then the priest alone entered the holy of holies, while the people stood outside, just as now that priest after the resurrection entered into the secret places of the heavens, to intercede for us at the right hand of the Father, while the people whose priest he is still groan outside. For with the bishop the people are inside and pray with him and, as if subscribing, respond 'amen' to his words. So much so that then, when without any stain and without any vice, because minds could not, the bodies of priests were sought, that one alone was prefigured, not these proud and impious ones, who with a fornicating soul do not jealously guard the spouse, but dare to show themselves off in place of the spouse. In the Gospel, he says, it is written: God will not hear sinners; but if someone worships the Lord and does his will, he will hear him. And here the answer is straightforward. For if two pray at the same time, one a sinner and the other one who worships the Lord and does his will, undoubtedly he hears that one, he does not hear that one. What then does this testimony mean for itself, or how do they think it is to be adduced on their behalf, when by these words the good among the wicked are made most secure, and no cause of bodily separation exists, so that men are separated even from the good by spiritual discord in a nefarious schism, since the wicked among the good can be unheard because of their unfaithfulness and the good among the wicked can be heard because of their faith?
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deus enim qui cordis inspector est non errat, ut alium pro alio uel exaudiat uel repellat. an propterea dicunt haec, ut intellegatur episcopus malus non exaudiri, cum pro populo rogat? quod etsi ita esset, non ideo tamen populus, si bonus atque fidelis est, sollicitus esse debet. securos enim illos facit illa scriptura quae ait: fratres, haec scribo uobis, ut non peccetis; et si quis peccauerit, aduocatum habemus ad patrem Iesum Christum iustum, et ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis nostris. quam ueraci et pia humilitate dictum sit audiant, si habent aures unde audiant. Iohannes enim dixerat: haec scripsi uobis, ut non peccetis. si ita sequeretur ut diceret: (et si quis peccauerit, aduocatum habetis ad patrem legum Christum iustum, et ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis uestris', se ipsum a peccantibus quasi segregasse uideretur, ut iam non ei opus esset propitiatio quae fit per mediatorem sedentem ad dexteram patris et interpellantem pro nobis. quod utique non solum superbe, sed etiam falso diceretur. si uero etiam ita diceret: 'haec scripsi uobis, ut non peccetis, et si quis peccauerit, mediatorem me habetis ad patrem, ego exoro pro peccatis uestris', sicut Parmenianus quodam loco mediatorem posuit episcopum inter populum et deum, quis eum ferret bonorum atque fidelium chriatianorum, quis sicut Christi apostolum et non sicut antichristum intueretur?
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For God, who is the inspector of the heart, does not err, so as to hear or reject one person in place of another. Or do they say these things in order that it be understood that a wicked bishop is not heard when he prays for the people? Even if that were so, the people, if they are good and faithful, ought not to be anxious about it. For that Scripture makes them secure, which says: "Brothers, I write this to you, that you may not sin; and if anyone has sinned, we have an advocate before the Father, Jesus Christ the just, and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins." Let them hear with what truthful and pious humility it was spoken, if they have ears with which to hear. For John had said: "I have written this to you, that you may not sin." If he had continued so as to say: "and if anyone has sinned, you have an advocate before the Father, Jesus Christ the just, and He Himself is the propitiation for your sins," he would have seemed to separate himself from sinners, as if he no longer needed the propitiation which is made through the mediator sitting at the right hand of the Father and interceding for us. That, of course, would be said not only arrogantly, but also falsely. But if he had even said it thus: "I have written this to you, that you may not sin; and if anyone has sinned, you have me as a mediator before the Father, I intercede for your sins," just as Parmenianus in some passage placed the bishop as mediator between the people and God, who among good and faithful Christians would endure him, who would not look upon him as an antichrist rather than as an apostle of Christ?
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et tamen isti lacus detriti fumosam istorum superbiam ferunt et spiritum sanctum continere non possunt, ut seruent unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis et in omnibus orationibus suis de uno mediatore securi sint. Homines enim omnes christiani inuicem se commendant orationibus suis. pro quo autem nullus interpellat, sed ipse pro omnibus, hic unus uerusque mediator est, cuius typus quoniam praefigurabatur in sacerdote ueteris testamenti, nullus et illic inuenitur orasse pro sacerdote. Paulus autem apostolus, quamquam sub capite praecipuum membrum, sed tamen quia membrum est corporis Christi et nouerat non per figuram in interiora ueli ad sancta sanctorum, sed per expressam et redditam ueritatem in interiora caeli ad sanctitatem non imaginariam sed aeternam pro nobis intrasse maximum et uerissimum sacerdotem, ecclesiae se orationibus etiam ipse commendat nec mediatorem se facit inter populum et deum, ut pro se orent inuicem omnia membra corporis Christi, quoniam pro inuicem sollicita sunt membra et, si patitur unum membrum, compatiuntur omnia membra et, si glorificatur unum membrum, congaudent omnia membra; ac sic oratio pro inuicem membrorum omnium adhuc in terra laborantium ascendet ad caput quod praecessit in caelum, in quo est propitiatio pro peccatis nostris.
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And yet these worn-out vessels bear the smoky pride of those men and cannot contain the Holy Spirit, so as to preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace and to be secure in all their prayers concerning the one mediator. For all Christians commend one another to each other in their prayers. But the one for whom no one intercedes, but who himself intercedes for all, is the one true mediator, whose type was prefigured in the priest of the Old Testament, and there no one is found to have prayed for the priest. The apostle Paul, however, although he is a principal member under the head, yet because he is a member of the body of Christ and knew that not through a figure into the inner parts of the veil to the holy of holies, but through the expressed and fulfilled truth into the inner parts of heaven to a sanctity not imaginary but eternal, the greatest and truest priest had entered for us, he himself commends himself even to the prayers of the church and does not make himself a mediator between the people and God, so that all the members of the body of Christ pray for one another, because the members are solicitous for one another, and if one member suffers, all the members suffer together, and if one member is glorified, all the members rejoice together; and thus the prayer of all the members still laboring on earth for one another ascends to the head which has gone before into heaven, in whom is the propitiation for our sins.
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nam si esset mediator Paulus, essent utique et ceteri coapostoli eius, ac sic multi mediatores essent nec ipsi Paulo ratio constaret qua dixerat: unus enim deus, unus et mediator dei et hominum homo Christus Iesus. in quo et nos unum sumus, si seruemus unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis nec propter malos bonos deseramus, sed propter bonos malos sufferamus, ne, cum defendere uolumus quod temeraria praesumptione relinquimus incognitos, cogamur maiore scelere damnare inauditos. Quid quod etiam inuenitur in scripturis Balaam propheta non de populo Israhel sed alienigena conductus ab inimico, ut populo dei malediceret, conuersus a domino ad benedicendum, cuius uerba omnia bene inprecantis audimus et legimus, et cum aliud haberet in uoto, uerba tamen precantis et bona sunt et pro populo exaudiuntur a domino. unde non mirum est sic uerba bona quae pro populo dicuntur in precibus, etiamsi a malis dicantur episcopis, exaudiri tamen non pro peruersitate praepositorum, sed pro deuotione populorum. uerumtamen quod scriptum est in euangelio: deus peccatorem non audit; sed si qui dominum coluerit et uoluntatem eius fecerit, ipsum exaudiet, non a domino dictum est, sed ab illo qui oculos corporis iam quidem restitutos habebat, sed ei oculi cordis nondum patebant, unde ipsum dominum adhuc prophetam putabat. nam eum postea cognitum dei filium suppliciter adorauit.
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For if Paul were the mediator, then certainly his fellow apostles would also be, and thus there would be many mediators, nor would the reasoning by which Paul said: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" hold true for him. In whom we also are one, if we preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace and do not abandon the good because of the bad, but endure the bad for the sake of the good, lest, when we wish to defend what we have abandoned in rash presumption without knowing them, we be compelled by a greater crime to condemn the unheard. What of the fact that in the Scriptures we find Balaam, a prophet not from the people of Israel but a foreigner hired by an enemy to curse the people of God, turned by the Lord to blessing, whose words of blessing we all hear and read, and although he had something else in his intention, yet the words of his prayer are good and are heard by the Lord on behalf of the people. Hence it is not surprising that good words spoken in prayers on behalf of the people, even if spoken by evil bishops, are nevertheless heard not for the perversity of the leaders but for the devotion of the peoples. However, what is written in the Gospel: "God does not hear a sinner; but if someone worships the Lord and does his will, he will hear him," was not said by the Lord, but by that man who already had his bodily eyes restored, but the eyes of his heart were not yet open, so that he still thought the Lord himself was a prophet. For later, having recognized him as the Son of God, he humbly adored him.
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ipse autem dominus, cum in uno templo orarent publicanus et Pharisaeus, peccatorem confitentem peccata sua magis iustificatum dicit quam Pharisaeum iactantem merita sua, cui similes isti sunt. quamquam enim iustificatus destiterit esse peccator, tamen ut iustificaretur peccator orabat et peccata confitebatur et exauditus iustificatus est, ut desineret esse peccator. non itaque desineret esse peccator, nisi prius exaudiretur peccator. quamobrem non quidem omnem peccatorem exaudiri, sed tamen non omnem peccatorem non exaudiri ueritas testis est. Obiciunt etiam quod dictum est in psalmis: peccatori autem dicit deus: ut quid exponis iustificationes meas et assumis testamentum meum per os tuum? tu autem odisti disciplinam et abiecisti sermones. mones meos retro. si uidcbas furem, concurrebas cum eo et cum moechis particulam tuam ponebas. sedens aduersus fratrem tuum detrahebas et aduersus filium matris tuae ponebas scandalum. sed aperiant aliquando aures cordis et desinant esse non intellegentes neque quae locuntur neque de quibus affirmant. attendunt enim dictum peccatori: ut quid exponis iustificationes meas et assumis testamentum meum per os tuum? et non intellegunt ad hoc dictum, ut sciat nihil sibi prodesse uerba dei quae ore pronuntiat, si quod dicit ipse non facit, uerumtamen aliis prodesse qui etiam per malos audiunt et faciunt.
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The Lord himself, when the publican and the Pharisee were praying in one temple, says that the sinner confessing his sins is more justified than the Pharisee boasting of his merits, to whom these men are similar. For although the justified man ceased to be a sinner, yet in order to be justified, the sinner was praying and confessing his sins, and having been heard, he was justified, so that he ceased to be a sinner. Therefore, he would not cease to be a sinner unless the sinner were first heard. For this reason, not every sinner is heard, but yet not every sinner is unheard, as truth bears witness. They also object to what is said in the Psalms: "But to the sinner God says: Why do you set forth my justifications and take up my testament through your mouth? But you have hated discipline and cast aside my words, my precepts behind you. If you saw a thief, you ran with him, and with adulterers you placed your portion. Sitting, you slandered your brother and placed a scandal against your mother's son." But let them sometimes open the ears of their heart and cease to be those who understand neither what they say nor what they affirm. For they attend to the saying to the sinner: "Why do you set forth my justifications and take up my testament through your mouth?" and they do not understand that this is said so that he may know that the words of God which he pronounces with his mouth profit him nothing, if he himself does not do what he says, yet they profit others who hear and act even through evil men.
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quod dominus imperat, ipse dominus in euangelio docet dicens de Pharisaeis: cathedram Moysi sedent. quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt. Atque utinam uellent in his uerbis, quae de psalmo meminerunt, se tamquam in speculo intueri, quomodo proiciant sermones dei retro qui populis pronuntiant pacem et non amant pacem, quomodo oderint disciplinam qui damnare audent orbem inauditum et, quia pro merito, immo longe minus merito pro tanti furoris audacia secundum diuinae misericordiae disciplinam temporales molestias patiuntur, non peccata sua puniri confitentur, sed merita coronari gloriantur. eos sane cum fure concurrisse non dico, quia fure peior est raptor, quod esse undique conclamabatur Optatus. an cum moechis particulam suam forte non ponunt, qui greges ebrios sanctimonalium suarum cum gregibus ebriis circumcellionum die noctuque permixtos uagari turpiter sinunt?
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What the Lord commands, the Lord himself teaches in the Gospel, saying of the Pharisees: "They sit in the chair of Moses. Do what they say, but do not do what they do. For they speak and do not act." And would that they were willing to behold themselves in these words, which they recalled from the Psalm, as in a mirror—how they cast the words of God behind them, who proclaim peace to the peoples and do not love peace; how they hate discipline, who dare to condemn the unheard world and, because they suffer temporal troubles according to the discipline of divine mercy for their deserts—or rather far less than their deserts, given the audacity of such fury—they do not confess that their sins are punished, but boast that their merits are crowned. I do not say that they have run together with a thief, for a robber is worse than a thief, which Optatus was everywhere proclaimed to be. Or do they perhaps not place their own portion with adulterers, who allow drunken herds of their own nuns, mingled day and night with drunken herds of Circumcellions, to wander shamefully?
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an non sedentes aduersus fratres suos detrahunt, qui propter quosdam, quos conuincere nequiuerunt, in hereditate Christi toto terrarum orbe diffusa contendunt non esse christianos, atque ita aduersus filium matris suae, id est paruulum adhuc in fide et sacramentorum lacte nutriendum, perniciosissimum scandalum ponunt, dum nesciens adhuc sequi deum patrem infirmus sequitur hominem et simulata atque adumbrata specie ueritatis inlectus ab unitatis compage crudeli laceratione diuellitur? sed si eis, qui mala non faciunt in eadem parte, mala facta displicent ceterorum nec obesse sibi aliena scelera credunt, quae in medio sui fieri gemunt et maerent, cur in communi sacrilegio schismatis perniciose tolerant quod fructuose tolerare in unitatis integritate potuerunt? possunt enim dicere, si tamen iam ipsis rebus experti euigilant aliquando, possunt dicere mala singulorum ceteris non obesse qui nec faciunt nec approbant talia; non autem singulorum malum esse schismatis sacrilegium, sed ad omnes eos pertinere qui catholicae non communicant unitati facillime possunt conuinci, etiamsi difficillime confiteri.
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Do not those who sit and slander their brothers, who because of certain men they could not convict, contend that those spread throughout the whole world in Christ's inheritance are not Christians, and thus place a most pernicious scandal against the son of their own mother—that is, against one still a little child in faith, to be nourished with the milk of the sacraments—while he, as yet unable to follow God the Father, follows a weak man and, enticed by a feigned and shadowy appearance of truth, is cruelly torn away from the bond of unity? But if those in the same party who do no evil are displeased by the evil deeds of the others, and believe that the crimes of others do not harm them—crimes which they groan and grieve over happening among them—why do they perniciously tolerate in the common sacrilege of schism what they could fruitfully tolerate in the integrity of unity? For they can say, if indeed, taught by the events themselves, they ever wake up, they can say that the evils of individuals do not harm the others who neither commit nor approve such things; but that the sacrilege of schism is not an evil of individuals, but pertains to all who do not communicate with Catholic unity, they can very easily be convicted, even if they confess it with the greatest difficulty.
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qua enim causa in eorum communione ad alios non pertinent crimina aliorum, ea causa schisma crimen est omnium, quia, cum se inter ipsos suos aliorum sceleribus maculari non posse iam dicunt, simul fateantur necesse est non se habuisse causam cur ab unitate discederent, ubi eos non possent aliorum scelera maculare, et propterea scelere schismatis apertissimo tamquam uno mortifero uinculo pariter conligantur. At enim prophetauit Hieremias. quid prophetauit Hieremias? non habere, inquit, uerum baptismum cos qui relinquunt deum.. ait enim. expectauit caelum super istud et exhorruit multo uehementius, dicit dominus, quoniam duo nequam fecit populus iste. me dereliquerunt fontem uitae et effoderunt sibi lacus detritos qui non possunt aquam portare; et iterum: facta est mihi, inquit, sicut aqua mendax non habens fidem; et illud quod scriptum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid proficit lauatio eius? et illud in psalmis: oleum peccatoris non inpinguet caput meum; et iterum alibi: muscae morit'ltrae exterminant oleum suauitatis; et alibi: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae effugiet fictum et auferet se a cogitationibus quae sunt sine intellectu. haec omnia si eo modo intellegenda sunt quo ab istis intelleguntur, nec nobis nec ipsis conquadrat ratio ueritatis.
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For by the same reason that in their communion the crimes of others do not pertain to others, by that reason schism is the crime of all, because, when they say among themselves that they cannot be stained by the crimes of others, they must at the same time confess that they had no cause to depart from unity, where the crimes of others could not stain them, and therefore they are bound together equally by the most open crime of schism as by a single deadly chain. But Jeremiah prophesied, they say. What did Jeremiah prophesy? That those who abandon God do not have true baptism, they say. For he says: "The sky waited over this and shuddered much more vehemently," says the Lord, "because this people did two wicked things: they abandoned me, the fountain of life, and dug for themselves worn-out cisterns that cannot hold water"; and again: "It has become for me," he says, "like false water having no faith"; and that which is written: "He who is baptized by a dead man, what does his washing profit?"; and that in the Psalms: "The oil of a sinner shall not anoint my head"; and again elsewhere: "Flies that cause death destroy the oil of sweetness"; and elsewhere: "For the holy spirit of discipline will flee from a counterfeit and will withdraw itself from thoughts that are without understanding." If all these things are to be understood in the way that they are understood by these men, the reasoning of truth fits neither us nor them.
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si autem alio modo intellegenda docuero, soli sua prauitate turbantur et, ut non turbentur, ad catholicum refugiunt intellectum, et unde inueniunt exitum responsionis, inde inretiuntur crimine schismatis. habent enim certe etiam ipsi — non dicam: 'tales sunt', sed hoc dicam quod uel fatentur uel insanissime negant — habent ergo et ipsi derelinquentes deum qui est fons aquae uiuae, hoc est inique uiuentes. neque enim pedibus ac non corde relinquitur deus. habent etiam mendaces et non habentes fidem, id est aliud profitentes et aliter conuersantes. habent utique mortuos. si enim sexui delicatiori et infirmiori delicias non concedit apostolus dicens de uidua: quae autem in deliciis agit uiuens mortua est, quaerant utrum nulli aput se uiri et, quod est amplius, praepositi uel ministri uiuant in deliciis, atque ita si audent renuntient se mortuos non habere et meliores esse quam illa (est) ecclesia, cuius angelo in figura praepositorum uel animarum dicitur quod non uiuat sed mortuus sit, et tamen inter septem ecclesias numeratur nec ei diuisae a compage corporis Christi, sed in unitate perseueranti praecepta uitae insuper dantur. omitto quod in concilio suo aduersus Maximianistas dixerunt: Aegyptiorum admodum exemplo pereuntium funeribus plena sunt litora.
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If, however, I show that it is to be understood in another way, they are disturbed only by their own perversity, and, so that they may not be disturbed, they flee to the Catholic understanding, and where they find an exit for their response, there they are ensnared by the crime of schism. For they themselves certainly have—I do not say: 'they are such', but I say this which they either admit or most insanely deny—they themselves therefore have those who forsake God, who is the fountain of living water, that is, those living wickedly. For God is forsaken not by feet but by the heart. They also have liars and those having no faith, that is, those professing one thing and living otherwise. They certainly have the dead. For if the apostle does not grant delicacies to a more delicate and weaker sex, saying of the widow: 'she who lives in delights, though living, is dead', let them ask whether among them any men, and what is more, any superiors or ministers, live in delights, and thus if they dare, let them declare that they have no dead and are better than that church whose angel, in the figure of its superiors or souls, is said not to live but to be dead, and yet it is numbered among the seven churches, nor is it separated from the body of Christ, but commands for living are even given to it persevering in unity. I pass over what they said in their council against the Maximianists: 'Like the example of the Egyptians perishing, the shores are full of corpses.
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de quorum numero mortuorum nunc intus est Felicianus qui adhuc mortuus baptizat, aut si iam reuixit, habet secum illos quos mortuus in schismate baptizauit. habent certe peccatores. nam si interrogentur quicumque sibi in ipsis magni uidentur, etiam se ipsos peccatores esse non negant. neque enim non tundunt pectora sua aut cum id faciunt simulate faciunt — quod si ita est, certe uel tunc infeliciter peccant populos suos simulata humilitate fallentes -- aut non dicunt in oratione dominica: dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. quod utique non de illis peccatis dicitur quae in baptismi regeneratione dimissa sunt, sed de his quae cotidie de saeculi amarissimis fluctibus humanae uitae infirmitas contrahit, quibus curandis medicamenta praebentur elemosynarum, ieiuniorum et orationum, ut in oratione dicatur quod in elemosynis agitur. nam et peccatum quod in te alter admisit dimittere, ut et tibi dimittat deus, magnum opus misericordiae est. quodsi hoc in oratione ficte, non ueraciter dicunt, putantes se non habere quod eis dimittat deus, id ipsum est inexpiabile sacrilegium, ea ipsa est impia et uesana superbia, quod est certe immane peccatum. nam de morituris muscis quid dicam, quando in eis non adhuc morituros, sed iam mortuos multipliciter inueniri, siue fateantur siue conuincantur, ostendimus?
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Among the number of the dead, Felicianus is now inside, who, while still dead, baptizes; or, if he has already revived, he has with him those whom he baptized while dead in schism. They certainly have sinners. For if anyone who seems great to themselves among them is questioned, they do not deny that they themselves are sinners. For they do not beat their breasts, or if they do so, they do it deceptively—which, if that is the case, then at least at that time they unhappily sin by deceiving their people with feigned humility—or they do not say in the Lord’s Prayer: “Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.” This is certainly not said about those sins which were forgiven in the regeneration of baptism, but about those which the weakness of human life daily contracts from the most bitter waves of the world, for the healing of which remedies are provided by alms, fasts, and prayers, so that in prayer it is said what is done in alms. For forgiving a sin which another has committed against you, so that God may also forgive you, is a great work of mercy. But if they say this in prayer falsely, not truthfully, thinking they have nothing for God to forgive them, that itself is an inexpiable sacrilege, that itself is impious and insane pride, which is certainly a monstrous sin. For what shall I say about dying flies, when we show that among them, not only those who are about to die, but those already dead, are found in multiple ways, whether they admit it or are convicted?
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fictos uero quos fugit spiritus sanctus disciplinae et sine intellectu perdite uiuentes quam multos inter se habeant, secundum ea quae supra dicta sunt cogitent. nam et quicumque ibi latent mali — quod uel eo certum est, quod saepe proditi conuictique damnantur non de recentibus tantum factis, sed etiam de uetere consuetudine flagitiorum qui astutissima fictione diu celari potuerunt — hi utique magis ficti sunt qui se bonos fingendo decipiunt. Si ergo sic sunt ista intellegenda ut isti intellegunt, quomodo eis ratio subsistere poterit, cur aput eos qui male uiuendo derelinquunt deum, siue lateant siue noti sint, non fiunt lacus detriti qui continere non ualent aquas, si hoc loco sacramentum baptismi intellegendum est? cur autem mendaces et infideles eorum non aquam mendacem sed ueracem uel dare uel habere creduntur? cur ab illorum mortuis qui baptizantur proficit aliquid lauatio eorum? cur peccatores eorum inpinguant oleo capita aliena? quid ibi muscae moriturae uel mortuae meruerunt, ut non exterminent oleum suauitatis? quo priuilegio muniuntur quicumque ibi ficti sunt, id est iustitiae pelle obtegunt lupum, ut non eos fugiat sanctus spiritus disciplinae? aut si fugit eos sanctus spiritus, quomodo per eos baptizatis datur? hic enim dici non potest quod solent ineptissime atque impudentissime dicere, tunc posse a malo baptizari quemquam, si lateat malitia baptizantis.
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But as for the feigned ones, whom the spirit of discipline flees and who live wickedly without understanding, let them consider how many such they have among themselves, according to what was said above. For also those who are hidden there as evil—which is certain from the fact that they are often exposed, convicted, and condemned not only for recent deeds but also for an old habit of crimes, which could be concealed for a long time by the most cunning pretense—these are certainly more feigned, who deceive by pretending to be good. If, therefore, these things are to be understood as these people understand them, how will their reasoning be able to stand, as to why among those who abandon God by living wickedly, whether hidden or known, they do not become worn-out pools that cannot hold water, if the sacrament of baptism is to be understood in this passage? Why are their liars and unbelievers believed to give or have not a lying water but a true one? Why does the washing of those who are baptized by their dead ones profit something? Why do their sinners anoint the heads of others with oil? What did the dying or dead flies there deserve, that they do not destroy the oil of sweetness? By what privilege are those who are feigned there protected—that is, those who cover the wolf with the skin of righteousness—so that the spirit of discipline does not flee them? Or if the spirit of discipline does flee them, how is it given through them to those baptized? For here it cannot be said what they are accustomed to say most ineptly and impudently, that someone can be baptized by an evil person if the malice of the baptizer is hidden.
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qui enim fictus est, tanto magis fictus est quanto magis latet. ab hoc igitur cum se auferat spiritus sanctus, quae spes erit baptizati, si baptizantis hominis meritum in illa dei gratia cogitandum est? hic omnino quid respondeant non inueniunt, quia malos apertos habere se negant. in quo quidem apertissime conuincuntur. sed quid ad nos? satis est nobis ad necessarium articulum causae, quod fictos bonos, id est occultos malos esse aput se negare non possunt. per multos enim redarguuntur, qui cum ibi perditis et sceleratis moribus uiuerent et per ipsam fictionem diu latuissent, aliquando proditi expulsi sunt. si ergo nolunt credamus adhuc ibi esse aliquos tales,, illi certe qui eiecti sunt, cum illic in eadem fictione laterent et eos fugeret sanctus spiritus de quo scriptum est: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae fugiet fictum, quomodo baptizare potuerunt? cur non recensentur saltem qui uiuunt, ut accipiant baptismum, quem utique a fictis quos deserebat spiritus sanctus accipere nequiuerunt? si autem dicunt: spiritus quidem sanctus daturis fingentibus deerat iustifieandis, sed accepturis credentibus aderat abluendis per ineffabilem efficaciam potentiae suae, utrumque facile ualens, illos fugere istos fouere, illos culpare istos mundare, quam pro se quaestionem soluunt, simul cernant solutam esse pro nobis.
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For he who is feigned is all the more feigned the more he lies hidden. Therefore, if the Holy Spirit withdraws from such a one, what hope will there be for the baptized, if the merit of the baptizing man is to be considered in that grace of God? Here they find absolutely nothing to answer, because they deny that they have open wicked men among them. In this, indeed, they are most clearly refuted. But what is that to us? It is enough for us for the necessary point of the case that they cannot deny that feigned good men, that is, hidden evil men, exist among them. For they are refuted by many who, while living among them with depraved and criminal morals and having long lain hidden through that very feigning, were at length exposed and expelled. Therefore, if they are unwilling that we believe that there are still some such there, at least those who were expelled—while they lay hidden in that same feigning and the Holy Spirit fled from them, concerning whom it is written: "For the holy spirit of discipline will flee the feigned"—how were they able to baptize? Why are not at least those who are alive reviewed, so that they may receive baptism, which they certainly could not receive from the feigned, whom the Holy Spirit was deserting? But if they say: "The Holy Spirit, indeed, was absent to the feigned givers for justifying, but was present to the believing receivers for washing, through the ineffable efficacy of its power, being easily able to do both—to flee those and to foster these, to condemn those and to cleanse these"—as they solve this question for themselves, let them at the same time see that it is solved for us.
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Quod autem intellegitur in hac sententia sanctae scripturae, quam certe ipsi non intellegentes et quasi pro suis partibus proponentes ad se ipsos conuincendos ingerunt nobis, hoc paene in omnibus talibus quaestionibus intellegendum ammonemus, quia scilicet omnia sacramenta, cum obsunt indigne tractantibus, prosunt tamen per eos digne sumentibus, sicut et uerbum dei, unde dictum est: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. nam fodere lacus detritos, qui continere non ualent aquas, quid me prohibet sic intellegere, id esse conuerti ad uoluptatem terrenam et non posse sustinere spiritum sanctum, quem nomine aquae in euangelio significari quis quoquo modo christianus ignorat? item aqua mendax non habens fidem potest intellegi non falsum baptisma, sed populus mendax et infidelis non adnumeratis ueracibus et fidelibus, sed. in his solis qui mendaces et infideles sunt. nam populos aliquando significari uocabulo aquarum legant Apocalypsin et non calumnientur sibi prius potiusque quam nobis. sic enim dicitur Iohanni: aquas quas uidisti, super quas sedet meretrix illa, populi et turbae sunt et gentes et linguae.
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But what is understood in this sentence of holy scripture—which they themselves, not understanding it and yet putting it forward as if on their own side, thrust upon us to be refuted by their own arguments—we remind that it is to be understood in nearly all such questions, namely, that all sacraments, while they harm those who handle them unworthily, nevertheless benefit those who receive them worthily through such persons, just as also the word of God, concerning which it is said: "Do what they say, but do not do what they do." For what prevents me from understanding "digging worn-out pits that cannot hold water" as being turned to earthly pleasure and being unable to sustain the Holy Spirit, whom who that is in any way a Christian does not know is signified by the name "water" in the Gospel? Likewise, "deceitful water having no faith" can be understood not as false baptism, but as a deceitful and faithless people—not counting the truthful and faithful, but only among those who are deceitful and faithless. For let them read the Apocalypse, where peoples are sometimes signified by the term "waters," and let them not bring a charge against themselves first and more readily than against us. For thus it is said to John: "The waters which you saw, upon which that harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
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et quod scriptum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid ei prodest lauatio eius, ut interim differam diligentiorem istorum uerborum inquisitionem, tutissime accipio paganorum baptismata esse denotata, quia homines et a iustitia et ab ista uita mortuos colunt, in quorum nomine baptizant. quamuis enim et ipsi sacerdotes per impietatem mortui dicantur, non tamen propter eos sic intellegitur, sed propter mortuos deos eorum, in quorum significatione dicitur: deus noster deus uiuus. quapropter etsi aput christianos sunt aliqui praepositi uel ministri per iniquitatem et impietatem suam mortui, uiuit tamen ille de quo dictum est in euangelio: hic est qui baptizat, quia, sicut dicit apostolus, Christus surgens a mortuis \\.am non moritur et mors ei ultra non dominabitur. oleum uero peccatoris apertissime psalmus ipse indicat quemadmodum intellegendum sit. ait enim: emendabit me iustus in misericordia et arguet me; oleum autem peccatoris non inpinguabit caput meum. unde manifestum est oleo peccatoris blanditias adulatoris esse significatas, quibus repudiatis et detestatis eligit a insto emendari et argui, quia hoc iustus non fallaci lenitate adulationis, sed ueraci asperitate obiurgationis faciens multo magis misericorditer facit.
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And what is written: “He who is baptized by a dead man, what does his washing profit him?”—so that I may for the time being defer a more careful inquiry into these words—I most safely take to refer to the baptisms of pagans, because they worship men who are dead both to righteousness and to this life, in whose name they baptize. For although the priests themselves are also said to be dead through impiety, it is not understood on their account, but on account of their dead gods, in reference to which it is said: “Our God is a living God.” Therefore, even among Christians there are some leaders or ministers who are dead through their own iniquity and impiety, yet He of whom it is said in the Gospel, “This is He who baptizes,” lives, because, as the apostle says, Christ, rising from the dead, no longer dies, and death will no longer have dominion over Him. As for “the oil of a sinner,” the psalm itself indicates most clearly how it is to be understood. For it says: “The just man will correct me in mercy and will rebuke me; but the oil of a sinner will not anoint my head.” From this it is evident that by “the oil of a sinner” the flatteries of a flatterer are signified, which, having been rejected and detested, he chooses to be corrected and rebuked by a just man, because the just man, doing this not with the deceitful smoothness of flattery but with the truthful harshness of reproof, does it much more mercifully.
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unde est et illud in Apocalypsi: ego quem amo arguo et castigo, et illud aput Salomonem: meliora sunt uulnera amici quam uoluntaria oscula inimici, et multa repperiuntur huiusmodi. oleum uero suauitatis, odorem scilicet bonum per famam bonam christianorum, illi exterminant, qui male uicturi et ad mortem suarum iniquitatium redituri magna multitudine inruunt, ut eis per baptismum peccata donentur et ad ea denuo reuertantur. nam propter numerositatem muscis esse arbitror comparatos. sed eis exterminant oleum suauitatis, qui non ipsam dei gratiam, sed hominum mores intuentur et quoniam, sicut grana inter paleam non uidentur, ita pie uiuentes inter iniquorum turbas non facile apparent, carnaliter offensi a percipienda salute sempiterna siue tardantur siue omnino resiliunt. esse autem bonum odorem in bona fama recte uiuentium christianorum apostolus docet dicens: Christi bonus odor sumus in omni loco. contra illi, quibus dicitur: nomen enim dei per uos blasphematur in gentibus, utique oleum suauitatis exterminant. sic ergo habent ista sinceriores alios intellectus, quos si sequantur etiam ipsi ab earum quaestionum expediuntur angustiis. illorum autem intellectus, si a nobis non confirmetur, ipsos solos, si uero a nobis confirmetur, utrosque nostrum implicat.
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Hence also that passage in the Apocalypse: “I, whom I love, I reprove and chastise,” and that in Solomon: “Better are the wounds of a friend than the voluntary kisses of an enemy,” and many such things are found. But the oil of gentleness—that is, the good odor through the good reputation of Christians—those men destroy who, about to live wickedly and to return to the death of their own iniquities, rush in in great numbers so that sins may be forgiven them through baptism and they may return to them anew. For I think they have been compared to flies because of their multitude. But those destroy the oil of gentleness who do not look at the grace of God itself, but at the habits of men, and because, just as grains among chaff are not seen, so the pious living among the crowds of the wicked do not easily appear, they, offended in a fleshly way, are either delayed or altogether recoil from receiving eternal salvation. Moreover, that there is a good odor in the good reputation of Christians living rightly, the apostle teaches, saying: “We are the good odor of Christ in every place.” On the other hand, those to whom it is said: “For the name of God is blasphemed by you among the Gentiles,” certainly destroy the oil of gentleness. Thus, then, these things have other, purer interpretations, which if they follow, they themselves are also freed from the straits of those questions. But their interpretation, if it is not confirmed by us, involves only themselves; if, however, it is confirmed by us, it involves both of us.
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Quid opus est iam plura discutere? nisi forte illud mouebit, quod, cum probare Parmenianus uellet carnales homines non posse spiritales filios procreare, addidit ex euangelio testimonium: quod natum est de carne caro est et quod natum est de spiritu spiritus est. quasi nos dicamus per se ipsum quemlibet hominem spiritales filios generare et non per euangelium, in cuius praedicatione spiritus sanctus operatur ad gignendos in baptismo filios spiritales, etiam cum fugit fictum ministrum, sicut supra didicimus. ideoque apostolus cum filiis talibus loqueretur, si dixisset: ego uos genui nec addidisset: in Christo Iesu per euangelium, nullo modo se quisquam fidelium de illo natum religiose fateretur. euangelium autem fur quoque ludas sine detrimento credentium praedicauit, et fictos eorum id est occultos malos, sicut ipsi quoque concedunt, cum fugiat spiritus sanctus, per eorum tamen ministerium gigni spiritales filios asserunt. nam quis ferat tantam dementiam, ut, cum forte carnalem uocet hominem de coniuge filios procreantem, spiritalem appellet adulterum? 'absit', inquit, ut hoc sentiam'. quomodo ergo adulter latens, cum aput eos praepositus esset, spiritales potuit filios propagare, si carnales hoc facere non possunt? an forte tunc per manus eius uel Christus uel spiritus sanctus uel forte angelus baptizauit?
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What need is there now to discuss more? Unless perhaps that point will move someone, that when Parmenianus wished to prove that carnal men cannot beget spiritual sons, he added a testimony from the Gospel: that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of spirit is spirit—as if we were saying that any man by himself begets spiritual sons, and not through the Gospel, in whose preaching the Holy Spirit works to beget spiritual sons in baptism, even when he flees a feigned minister, as we learned above. And therefore, if the Apostle, when speaking to such sons, had said, “I begot you,” and had not added, “in Christ Jesus through the Gospel,” no believer would piously confess himself born of him. But the Gospel was also preached by the thief Judas without detriment to the believers, and they themselves also concede that, when the Holy Spirit flees feigned men—that is, hidden evil men—spiritual sons are nevertheless begotten through their ministry. For who would endure such madness, that when someone perhaps calls a carnal man a begetter of sons from a wife, he would call an adulterer spiritual? “Far be it,” he says, “that I should think this.” How then could a hidden adulterer, when he was set over them as a leader, propagate spiritual sons, if carnal men cannot do this? Or was it perhaps that then Christ, or the Holy Spirit, or perhaps an angel baptized through his hands?
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si ergo tunc homo baptizat, cum baptizator manifestus est bonus, cum uero baptizator latet malus, tunc deus baptizat aut angelus et unusquisque spiritaliter talis nascitur qualis fuerit a quo baptizatur, optent qui desiderant baptismum, ut homines per quos baptizantur non sint manifesti boni sed latentes mali, ut sic deo uel angelo baptizante sanctius renasci mereantur. hanc absurditatem si cogitant euitare, per quemlibet hominem, cum quisque Christi baptismo baptizatur, Christum baptizare fateantur de quo solo dictum est: hic est qui baptizat in spiritu sancto. Nam illud ex euangelio: sicut misit me pater, et ego mitto uos. haec cum dixisset, insufflauit et ait illis: accipite spiritum sanctum. si cui dimiseritis peccata dimittentur et si cui tenueritis tenebuntur contra nos esset, ut cogeremur fateri ab hominibus hoc, non per homines fieri, si, posteaquam dixit: et ego mitto uos, continuo subiecisset: si cui dimiseritis peccata dimittentur et si cui tenueritis tenebuntur. cum uero interpositum est: haec cum dixisset, insufflauit et ait illis: accipite spiritum sanctum et deinde inlatum per eos uel remissionem uel retentionem fieri peccatorum, satis ostenditur non ipsos id agere, sed per eos utique spiritum sanctum, sicut alio loco dicit: non enim uos estis qui loquimini, sed spiritus sanctus qui in uobis est.
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If, therefore, a man baptizes when the baptizer is manifestly good, but when the baptizer is secretly evil, then God baptizes or an angel, and each one is spiritually born such as the one by whom he is baptized, let those who desire baptism wish that the men through whom they are baptized be not manifestly good but secretly evil, so that they may merit to be reborn more holily by God or an angel baptizing. If they think to avoid this absurdity, let them confess that through any man, when someone is baptized with Christ’s baptism, it is Christ who baptizes, of whom alone it is said: This is he who baptizes in the Holy Spirit. For that passage from the Gospel: “As the Father sent me, so I send you.” When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them: “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone sins, they will be forgiven; and if you hold them against anyone, they will be held.” This would be against us, forcing us to confess that this is done by men, not through men, if, after he said: “And I send you,” he had immediately subjoined: “If you forgive anyone sins, they will be forgiven; and if you hold them against anyone, they will be held.” But since it is interposed: “When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them: ‘Receive the Holy Spirit,’” and then it is added that through them either remission or retention of sins is effected, it is sufficiently shown that they themselves do not do this, but that it is the Holy Spirit who does it through them, as he says in another place: “For it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit who is in you.
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spiritus autem sanctus in ecclesiae praeposito uel ministro sic inest, ut, si fictus non est, operetur per eum spiritus et eius mercedem in salutem sempiternam et eorum regenerationem uel aedificationem, qui per eum siue consecrantur siue euangelizantur, si autem fictus est, quoniam uerissime scriptum est: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae fugiet fictum, desit quidem saluti eius et auferat se a cogitationibus eius quae sunt sine intellectu, ministerium tamen eius non deserat, quo per eum salutem operatur aliorum. propter hoc apostolus ait: si enim uolens hoc facio, mercedem habeo, si autem inuitus, dispensatio mihi credita est, id est (illis prodest quibus hoc dispenso, non mihi qui fictus sum). qui enim inuitus facit propter commoda gaudiaque carnalia, quae si aliter habere posset illud desereret, ipse utique fictus est, ideoque non ait: (si inuitus facio, nihil prosum eis erga quos facio', sed se tantum a mercede salutis alienat, non etiam illos quibus cibaria dominica etiam malus seruus impendit. quia uero non erat talis apostolus, sed talis potius ut uolens faceret, id est gratuitam gratiam pietate casti cordis erogaret, etiam mercedem eius per eum spiritus sanctus operatus est, quam, sicut ipse dicit, reddet ei dominus in illo die iustus iudex.
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But the Holy Spirit is present in the overseer or minister of the Church in such a way that, if he is not a pretender, the Spirit works through him both for his own reward in eternal salvation and for the regeneration or edification of those who are either consecrated or evangelized through him. But if he is a pretender, since it is most truly written, "For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from a pretender," the Spirit indeed abandons his salvation and withdraws from his thoughts which are without understanding, yet does not abandon his ministry, through which the Spirit works the salvation of others by his agency. For this reason the Apostle says: "For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, a stewardship has been entrusted to me," that is, it benefits those to whom I dispense it, not me who am a pretender. For he who acts unwillingly because of carnal advantages and pleasures, which he would abandon if he could have them otherwise, is certainly a pretender. Therefore he does not say, "If I act unwillingly, I do no good for those towards whom I act," but he only alienates himself from the reward of salvation, not also those to whom even a bad servant dispenses the Lord's provisions. But because the Apostle was not such, but rather such that he acted willingly, that is, he dispensed gratuitous grace with the piety of a chaste heart, the Holy Spirit also worked his reward through him, which, as he himself says, the Lord, a just judge, will give him on that day.
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illos uero qui euangelium - annuntiabant non caste, qui non quidem aliud nisi ueritatem, id est Christum, tamen non ueritate cordis sui sed per occasionem commodorum suorum annuntiabant, sinit eos annuntiare et gaudet non utique illis, sed eis qui per eos salui fiebant tenentes praeceptum dicentis: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt cnim et non faciunt. sic enim apostolus ad Philippenses loquitur: quidam quidem, inquit, per inuidiam et contentionem, quidam uero et per bonam uoluntatem Christum praedicant; quidam ex caritate, scientes quoniam in defensione euangelii positus sum; quidam uero et per contumaciam Christum annuntiant non caste, existimantes tribulationem suscitari uinculis meis. quid enim, dum omni modo siue occasione siue ueritate Christus annuntietur? et in hoc gaudeo, sed et gaudebo. numquid permitteret eos praedicare Christum, quamuis euangelii ueritatem non in ueraci cordis sui castitate praedicarent, numquid de talium praedicatione gauderet, nisi sciret quod illis quidem perniciosum esset rem castam non caste annuntiare, illis autem salubre qui bona et uera per eos audientes proficerent ad salutem?
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those, however, who announced the gospel not chastely, who indeed announced nothing other than the truth, that is, Christ, yet not with the truth of their own heart but on the occasion of their own advantages, He allows them to announce and rejoices not indeed for them, but for those who were being saved through them, holding the precept of the one who says: do what they say, but do not do what they do. For they say and do not do. For thus the Apostle speaks to the Philippians: some, he says, preach Christ through envy and contention, others indeed through good will; some from charity, knowing that I am placed in the defense of the Gospel; others indeed through obstinacy announce Christ not chastely, thinking that tribulation is stirred up by my chains. For what? In every way, whether by occasion or by truth, is Christ announced? And in this I rejoice, and I will rejoice. Would He permit them to preach Christ, even though they preached the truth of the Gospel not in the truthful chastity of their own heart, would He rejoice in the preaching of such men, unless He knew that for them it was pernicious to announce a chaste thing unchastely, but for those who, hearing good and true things through them, were advancing to salvation, it was salutary?
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nam ubi non Christus qui ueritas est, sed falsitas et mendacium praedicatur, apertissime prohibet ad Galatas dicens: si quis uobis euangelizauerit praeter id quod accepistis, anathema sit, itemque ad Timotheum: sicut rogaui te, inquit, ut sustineres Ephesi, cum irem in Macedoniam, ut denuntiares quibusdam ne aliter docerent. illos autem inuidos, contentiosos, contumaces, non castos, occasionem quaerentes satiandae suae malae uoluntatis, quia sic eorum fictionem fugiebat spiritus sanctus, ut eorum non desereret ministerium quo per eos Christus praedicabatur, non solum permittit ut faciant, sed etiam gaudet quia faciunt. Haec de scripturis sanctis documenta proferimus, ut appareat non facile quicquam esse grauins sacrilegio schismatis, quia praecidendae unitatis nulla est iusta necessitas, cum sibi nequaquam spiritaliter nocituros malos ideo tolerent boni, ne spiritaliter seiungantur a bonis, cum disciplinae seueritatem consideratio custodiendae pacis refrenat aut differt; quam tamen securitas exserit, cum apparet sine uulnere schismatis ad salubrem correctionem posse aliquid ecclesiastico iudicio uindicari. magis enim nos dicimus: nomen domini eorum est qui eum metuunt, quamuis permixti sint turbis eorum qui eum non metuunt, et illud quod apostolus ait: nouit dominus qui sunt eiuset recedat ab iniustitia omnis qui inuocat nomen domini.
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For where not Christ, who is truth, but falsehood and lying are proclaimed, He most openly forbids, saying in the letter to the Galatians: "If anyone evangelizes to you beyond what you have received, let him be anathema," and likewise to Timothy: "As I asked you," he says, "that you should remain at Ephesus, when I was going into Macedonia, so that you might warn certain persons not to teach otherwise." But those envious, contentious, obstinate, unchaste persons, seeking an occasion to satisfy their own evil will—because the Holy Spirit so fled from their fabrication that it did not abandon their ministry through which Christ was preached by them—He not only permits them to act, but even rejoices that they act. We bring forth these proofs from the holy scriptures, so that it may appear that nothing is more grave than the sacrilege of schism, because there is no just necessity for cutting off unity, since the good tolerate the evil who will in no way spiritually harm them, precisely so that they are not spiritually separated from the good, when the severity of discipline is restrained or deferred by consideration for preserving peace; which severity, however, security exercises when it appears that something can be vindicated by ecclesiastical judgment for wholesome correction without the wound of schism. For we say rather: "The name of the Lord belongs to those who fear him," even though they are mixed among the crowds of those who do not fear him, and that which the apostle says: "The Lord knows who are his," and "Let every one who invokes the name of the Lord depart from injustice.
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si enim bono pacis, ne ante tempus cum zizania colliguntur eradicetur simul et triticum, necessitate cogitur quisquam esse inter iniustos, recedat tamen ab iniustitia, et securus inuocat nomen domini. simul enim et ab iniustis recedit et ab eis exit atque separatur interim corde, ut etiam corpore a talibus in fine separari mereatur. Et illud quod scriptum est: non est speciosa laus in ore peccatoris, in ore certe fidelium utique speciosa est. sic autem unicuique est os proprium sicut unicuique est onus proprium, nec quisquam sine consensione sui cordis ex ore uulneratur alieno. cum autem dei praedicatio peccatoris ore procedit, quaerendum est cuiusmodi peccatorem hoc loco scriptura significare uoluerit. nam et publicanus qui iustificatus est magis quam ille Pharisaeus utique peccator erat. si enim uera peccata eius non erant, falsa erat confessio peccatorum; si autem uera erat illa confessio propter quam iustificari etiam meruit, procul dubio uera erant peccata. hoc etiam de oratione sancti Danihelis uerissime dixerim, qui profecto ueraciter ait: cum orarem et confiterer peccata mea et peccata populi mei. in cuius ergo peccatoris ore speciosa laus non est nisi maxime mendacis et ficti, quem fugiet spiritus sanctus disciplinae?
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For if, for the sake of the good of peace, lest before the time when the tares are gathered the wheat also be uprooted together with them, someone is compelled by necessity to be among the unjust, let him nevertheless withdraw from injustice, and let him securely invoke the name of the Lord. For at the same time he both withdraws from the unjust and departs from them and is separated from them in heart, so that he may deserve to be separated from such persons even in body at the end. And that which is written: "There is no fair praise in the mouth of a sinner," is certainly fair in the mouth of the faithful. But just as each one has his own mouth, so each one has his own burden, nor is anyone wounded by another's mouth without the consent of his own heart. However, when the preaching of God proceeds from the mouth of a sinner, it must be asked what kind of sinner the Scripture intended to signify in this passage. For even the publican who was justified was certainly a sinner, more so than that Pharisee. For if his sins were not true, then the confession of sins was false; but if that confession on account of which he also deserved to be justified was true, then without doubt the sins were true. I would say this most truly also about the prayer of holy Daniel, who indeed truthfully says: "When I prayed and confessed my sins and the sins of my people." In the mouth, therefore, of which sinner is fair praise not found, except especially of the liar and the hypocrite, whom the holy spirit of discipline will flee?
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qui tamen cum loquitur ueritatem, non in eius ore speciosa est, quia non ei tribuitur cuius particeps non est; sicut speciosa non erat prophetia in ore Caiphae pontificis sacerdotum qui nesciuit quid dixit, sed cum esset pontifex prophetauit. sed tamen per se ipsam speciosa dei laus est in auribus audientium et corde credentium. Quin etiam ex apostoli sententia male usurpata uelut insultare audet Parmenianus eis, quos negat habere baptismum et propterea dicit dare non posse. quid enim habes, inquit, quod non accepisti? quod ut omittam unde et quare dicat apostolus, quod ipsius epistulae contextione declaratur, si hoc de baptismo uult intellegi et si ille dare non potest qui non habet, ille autem non habet qui non accepit, ut ei aliquo modo suffragetur quod scriptum est:, quid enim habes quod non accepisti?, quaero utrum non habeat qui aput ipsos accepit. si dixerint: 'habet', quaero utrum amittat si ab ipsis recesserit. si dicunt: 'amittit1.baptizandus est iterum si redierit, ut ei possit restitui quod amisit. si autem hoc non fit nec quisquam dicit esse faciendum, non ergo amiserat. porro si accepit et non eo caruit, habet utique quod accepit, et ideo non ei potest dici secundum istorum intellectum: quid enim habes quod non accepisti? refer nunc animum ad ipsam originem schismatis.
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Yet when he speaks the truth, it is not beautiful in his mouth, because it is not attributed to him whose partaker he is not; just as the prophecy was not beautiful in the mouth of Caiaphas, the high priest of the priests, who did not know what he said, but prophesied because he was high priest. Nevertheless, in itself, the praise of God is beautiful in the ears of those who hear and in the heart of those who believe. Moreover, Parmenianus even dares to misuse the apostle's saying, as if to insult those whom he denies have baptism and therefore says they cannot give it. "For what do you have," he says, "that you have not received?" To pass over for the moment where and why the apostle says this—which is made clear by the context of his own epistle—if he wishes this to be understood about baptism, and if he who does not have cannot give, and he does not have who has not received, so that the saying "For what do you have that you have not received?" might somehow support him, I ask whether one who has received among them does not have it. If they say, "He has it," I ask whether he loses it if he departs from them. If they say, "He loses it," he must be baptized again if he returns, so that what he lost can be restored to him. But if this is not done, nor does anyone say it should be done, then he had not lost it. Further, if he received it and did not lack it, he certainly has what he received, and therefore the saying "For what do you have that you have not received?" cannot be applied to him according to their understanding. Now turn your mind to the very origin of the schism.
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qualemlibet existiment Caecilianum quem nos credimus innocentem, procul dubio in unitate baptizatus erat; nondum enim facta erat ista diuisio. ponamus, sicut illi uolunt, quod ab unitate ipse recesserit; non amisit utique quod acceperat. non enim, si rediret, baptizaretur iterum, ut reciperet quod amiserat. porro si eo quod acceperat non caruerat, id utique habebat. nec ipsi ergo dici potuit ex istorum prauo intellectu: quid enim habes quod non accepisti? multo minus hoc dici potest ei qui per Caecilianum a domino accepit. cur enim non potuit homo, qui non coniunctus est uobis, id quod non habebat accipere per eum, qui non amisit cum recessit a uobis? quanto ergo impudentius dicitur orbi terrarum: quid enim habes quod non accepisti? unde ipsius sacramenti conexio in Africam uenit, qui per nullius traditoris facinus potuit amittere promissionem dei apertissima pollicitatione dicentis ad Abraham: in semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes, etiamsi isti non impii calumniatores fratrum, sed ueri examinatores criminum fuissent.
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Whatever they may think of Caecilianus, whom we believe innocent, he was without doubt baptized in unity; for that division had not yet occurred. Let us suppose, as they wish, that he himself withdrew from unity; he certainly did not lose what he had received. For if he were to return, he would not be baptized again, in order to recover what he had lost. Moreover, if he had not been deprived of what he had received, he certainly still possessed it. Therefore, not even to him could it be said, according to their perverse understanding: "What do you have that you did not receive?" Much less can this be said to one who received from the Lord through Caecilianus. For why could a man who is not joined to you not receive what he did not have through one who did not lose it when he withdrew from you? How much more shamelessly, then, is it said to the whole world: "What do you have that you did not receive?" Whence the connection of the sacrament itself came into Africa, which through the crime of no traitor could lose the promise of God, who with the clearest pledge says to Abraham: "In your seed all nations shall be blessed," even if these men had been not impious slanderers of their brethren but true examiners of crimes.
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Nam illud quod quidam eorum ueritate conuicti dicere coeperunt: baptismum quidem non amittit qui recedit ab ecclesia, sed ius dandi tamen amittit, multis modis apparet frustra et inaniter dici. primo quia nulla ostenditur causa, cur ille, qui ipsum baptismum amittere non potest, ius dandi possit amittere. utrumque enim sacramentum est et quadam consecratione utrumque homini datur, illud cum baptizatur, illud cum ordinatur, ideoque in catholica utrumque non licet iterari. nam si quando ex ipsa parte uenientes etiam praepositi bono pacis correcto schismatis errore suscepti sunt, etiamsi uisum est opus esse ut eadem officia gererent quae gerebant, non sunt rursus ordinati, sed sicut baptismus in eis ita ordinatio mansit integra, quia in praecisione fuerat uitium quod unitatis pace correctum est, non in sacramentis, quae ubicumque sunt ipsa sunt. et cum hoc expedire iudicatur ecclesiae, ut praepositi eorum uenientes in catholicam societatem honores suos ibi non administrent, non eis tamen ipsa ordinationis sacramenta detrahuntur, sed manent super eos. ideoque non eis in populo manus imponitur, ne non homini, sed ipsi sacramento fiat iniuria. et si quando ignoranter fit nec animose defenditur factum, sed pie corrigitur cognitum, uenia facilis' impetratur.
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For that which some of them, when overcome by the truth, have begun to say—namely, that one who departs from the Church does not lose baptism, but does lose the right to administer it—is shown in many ways to be said groundlessly and vainly. First, because no reason is shown why he who cannot lose baptism itself can lose the right to administer it. For each is a sacrament and is given to a man by a kind of consecration: the one when he is baptized, the other when he is ordained; and therefore in the Catholic Church neither is permitted to be repeated. For if, when those coming from that same faction, even prelates, have been received in the peace of unity after the error of schism has been corrected, and it has seemed necessary that they should hold the same offices which they held, they are not ordained again; but just as baptism in them, so ordination remained intact, because the defect had been in the severance, which the peace of unity corrected, not in the sacraments, which are the same wherever they are. And when it is judged expedient for the Church that their prelates coming into Catholic fellowship should not administer their offices there, nevertheless the sacraments of ordination themselves are not taken away from them, but remain upon them. And therefore hands are not laid on them before the people, lest injury be done not to the man but to the sacrament itself. And if this is done in ignorance and the deed is not defended obstinately, but is piously corrected when known, pardon is easily obtained.
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deus enim noster non est dissensionis deus, sed pacis, nec ecclesiae sacramenta eius in eis qui ab ecclesia recesserunt, sed ipsi qui recesserunt inimici sunt. sicut autem habent in baptismo quod per eos dari possit, sic in ordinatione ius dandi; utrumque quidem ad perniciem suam, quamdiu caritatem non habent unitatis. sed tamen aliud est non habere, aliud perniciose habere, aliud salubriter habere. quod non habetur, dandum est cum opus est dari; quod uero perniciose habetur, per correctionem depulsa pernicie agendum est ut salubriter habeatur. Quamquam etsi laicus aliqua pereuntis necessitate compulsus dederit, quod cum ipse acciperet quomodo dandum esset addidicit, nescio utrum quisquam pie dixerit esse repetendum. nulla enim cogente necessitate si fiat, alieni muneris usurpatio est; si autem necessitas urgeat, aut nullum aut ueniale delictum est. sed et si nulla necessitate usurpetur et. a quolibet cuilibet detur, quod datum fuerit non potest dici non datum, quamuis recte dici possit inlicite datum. inlicitam ergo usurpationem corrigit reminiscentis et paenitentis affectus. quodsi non correxerit, manebit ad poenam usurpatoris quod datum est, uel eius qui inlicite dedit uel eius qui inlicite accepit, non tamen pro non dato habebitur. neque ullo modo per deuotum militem quod a priuatis usurpatum est signum regale uiolabitur.
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For our God is not a God of discord, but of peace, and the sacraments of the Church are not in those who have withdrawn from the Church, but those who have withdrawn are themselves enemies. Just as they have in baptism that which can be given through them, so in ordination they have the right of giving; both indeed to their own ruin, as long as they do not have the charity of unity. But yet it is one thing not to have, another to have perniciously, another to have salubriously. What is not had must be given when there is need to give; what is perniciously had, after the perniciousness has been removed by correction, must be dealt with so that it may be had salubriously. Moreover, even if a layman, compelled by some necessity of a dying person, gives what he himself learned how it should be given when he received it, I do not know whether anyone would piously say that it should be repeated. For if it is done without any compelling necessity, it is a usurpation of another's office; but if necessity presses, it is either no sin or a venial one. But even if it is usurped without any necessity and given by anyone to anyone, what has been given cannot be said not to have been given, although it can rightly be said to have been given illicitly. Therefore, an illicit usurpation is corrected by the disposition of one who recollects and repents. But if it is not corrected, what has been given will remain for the punishment of the usurper, either of the one who gave illicitly or of the one who received illicitly, yet it will not be considered as not given. And in no way will the royal insignia, usurped by private individuals, be violated by a devoted soldier.
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si enim aliqui furtim et extraordinarie non in monetis publicis aurum uel argentum uel aes percutiendo signauerint, cum fuerit deprehensum, nonne illis punitis aut indulgentia liberatis cognitum regale signum thesauris regalibus congeretur? aut si quisque siue desertor siue qui numquam omnino militauit nota militari priuatum aliquem signet, nonne ubi fuerit deprehensus ille signatus pro desertore punitur et eo grauius, quo probare potuerit numquam se omnino militasse, simul secum punito, si eum prodiderit, audacissimo signatore? at si forte illum militiae characterem in corpore suo non militans pauidus exhorruerit et ad clementiam imperatoris confugerit ac prece fusa et impetrata uenia militare iam coeperit, numquid homine liberato atque correcto character ille repetitur ac non potius agnitus adprobatur? an forte minus haerent sacramenta christiana quam corporalis haec nota, cum uideamus nec apostatas carere baptismate, quibus utique per paenitentiam redeuntibus non restituitur et ideo amitti non potuisse iudicatur? an ducenda de militia similitudo non fuit, cum apostolus et de agonisticis certaminibus ducat et aperte clamet: nemo militans deo implicat se negotiis saecularibus, ut placeat cui se probauit?
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If, however, some persons secretly and irregularly, not in the public mints, were to stamp gold or silver or bronze, when they are caught, would not the recognized royal mark, after they have been punished or set free by indulgence, be gathered into the royal treasuries? Or if someone, whether a deserter or one who has never served at all, were to mark a private individual with a military mark, would not that marked person, when caught, be punished as a deserter, and all the more severely if he can prove that he never served at all, while the most audacious marker, if he betrays him, is punished along with him? But if perhaps that non-soldier, trembling at the military brand on his body, were to flee to the emperor's clemency and, having poured forth a prayer and obtained pardon, were to begin to serve, would that brand be sought again from the man now freed and corrected, and would it not rather be recognized and approved? Or are Christian sacraments less permanent than these bodily marks, when we see that even apostates do not lack baptism, which, when they return through penance, is not restored to them, and therefore is judged to have been incapable of being lost? Or was the military analogy not to be drawn, when the Apostle draws from the contests of the arena and openly declares: "No one serving God entangles himself in secular affairs, so as to please the one to whom he has proved himself"?
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Et haec quidem alia quaestio est, utrum et ab his, qui numquam fuerunt christiani, possit baptismus dari, nec aliquid hinc temere adfirmandum est sine auctoritate tanti concilii, quantum tantae rei sufficit. de his uero, qui ab ecclesiae catholicae unitate separati sunt, nulla iam quaestio est, quod et habeant et dare possint et perniciose habeant pernicioseque tradant extra uinculum pacis. hoc enim iam in ipsa totius orbis unitate discussum consideratum perspectum atque firmatum est. sed si nos male facimus, ipsi explicent, quomodo sacramentum baptizati non possit amitti et sacramentum ordinati possit amitti, quoniam dicunt: recedens ab ecclesia baptismum quidem non amittit, ius dandi tamen amittit. si enim utrumque sacramentum est, quod nemo dubitat, cur illud non amittitur et illud amittitur? neutri sacramento iniuria facienda est. si sancta malos fugiunt, utrumque fugiat; si sancta in malis inuiolabiliter manent, utrumque maneat. si dixerint: 'baptismus in sola uera ecclesia recte datur', respondetur eis: 'baptismus in sola uera ecclesia recte habetur'. cur non potest dari ubi non recte datur, cum possit haberi ubi non recte habetur? an quia non habere aliud est, aliud non recte habere? sic et non dare aliud est, aliud non recte dare.
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And this indeed is another question, whether baptism can be given by those who have never been Christians, and nothing is to be rashly affirmed on this without the authority of a council as great as such a matter requires. But concerning those who have been separated from the unity of the Catholic Church, there is no longer any question: that they both have and can give baptism, and that they have it perniciously and give it perniciously outside the bond of peace. For this has already been discussed, considered, examined, and established in the unity of the whole world. But if we are acting wrongly, let them themselves explain how the sacrament of baptism cannot be lost and the sacrament of ordination can be lost, since they say: a person departing from the Church does not lose baptism, but does lose the right to give it. For if both are sacraments, which no one doubts, why is that one not lost and that one lost? No injury should be done to either sacrament. If holy things flee from the wicked, let both flee; if holy things remain inviolably in the wicked, let both remain. If they say: 'baptism is rightly given only in the true Church,' the answer is given to them: 'baptism is rightly held only in the true Church.' Why can it not be given where it is not rightly given, when it can be held where it is not rightly held? Or is it because not having is one thing, and not having rightly is another? So too, not giving is one thing, and not giving rightly is another.
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sicut non recte habet qui ab unitate discedit, sed tamen habet et ideo redeunti non redditur, sic etiam non recte dat qui ab unitate discedit, sed tamen dat, et ideo quod ab eo accepit uenienti ad unitatem non iteratur. illi autem quod non recte datur datum non esse contendunt. quid si alius quod non recte habetur haberi non posse contendat, nonne utrique reclamamus et dicimus habere quidem, sed non recte habere eum qui ab unitate discesserit? si uolunt ergo, ut ille audiat quod pariter reclamamus, ipsi nos audiant reclamantes dare quidem sed non recte dare eum, qui ab unitate discedit. quapropter sicut redeunti non redditur quod et foris habebat, sic uenienti non repetendum est quod et foris acceperat. unde consequenter intellegitur peruersitatem hominum esse corrigendam, sanctitatem autem sacramentorum in nullo peruerso esse uiolandam; constat enim eam in peruersis et sceleratis hominibus, siue in eis qui intus sunt siue in eis qui foris sunt, inpollutam atque inuiolabilem permanere. et quod dicuntur ea mali polluere, quantum in ipsis est dicuntur, cum illa inpolluta permaneant. sed in bonis permanent ad praemium, in malis permanent ad iudicium.
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Just as one who departs from unity does not rightly possess, but nevertheless does possess, and therefore it is not given back to him when he returns, so also one who departs from unity does not rightly give, but nevertheless does give, and therefore what he has received from him is not repeated for one coming to unity. But they contend that what is not rightly given is not given at all. What if another should contend that what is not rightly possessed cannot be possessed at all? Do we not cry out against both, and say that he who has departed from unity does indeed possess, but does not rightly possess? Therefore, if they wish that he should hear what we cry out in like manner, let them themselves hear us crying out that he who departs from unity does indeed give, but does not rightly give. For this reason, just as what he had outside is not given back to the one returning, so what he had received outside is not to be repeated for the one coming. Hence it is consequently understood that the perversity of men is to be corrected, but the sanctity of the sacraments is in no perverse person to be violated; for it is established that it remains undefiled and inviolable in perverse and wicked men, whether in those who are inside or in those who are outside. And when they are said to pollute them, it is said as far as it lies in them, while they themselves remain undefiled. But in the good they remain for reward, in the evil they remain for judgment.
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nam et de spiritu qui nullo modo extingui potest dictum est tamen: spiritum nolite extinguere, id est: quantum in uobis est nolite sic agere, tamquam conemini extinguere spiritum aut tamquam extinctum spiritum deputetis\\ et nomen dei pollui nullo modo potest et tamen dictum est: filius et pater intrabant ad unam puellam, ut polluerent nomen domini dei sui. Nec ullo modo isti expedire se possunt, cum eis proponitur, cur sanctitas sacramenti et haberi et dari possit ab eo, quem intus sceleratum iam deus damnauit, et tunc ab eo incipiat dari non posse, cum ab hominibus damnatus fuerit, cum tamen nec tunc eam possit amittere. postremo cur Felicianus, quem cum Maximiano trecenti decem damnauerunt et diu foris in sacrilego, sicut ipsi concilio suo pronuntiauerunt, schismate fuit, non solum ipsum baptismum, sed etiam ius dandi non amisit? in honore quippe suo, sicut exierat, ita receptus est cum his omnibus quos foris positus baptizauit, nullo eorum rebaptizato, quia si aliquem eorum quos foris baptizauerat rebaptizandum esse censerent, iudicarent eum amisisse ius dandi cum foris esset; et propterea consequens erat, ut ipsum quoque iterum ordinarent, si illos iterum baptizarent. sed cum ad pacem Christi reuocantur calumniatores sunt, cum paci Donati consulunt dissimulatores sunt. quid est aliud quam quod eorum Tychonius de illis ait: quod uolumus sanctum est?
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For even concerning the Spirit, which can in no way be extinguished, it was nevertheless said: "Do not extinguish the Spirit," that is, "As far as it lies in you, do not act as though you were attempting to extinguish the Spirit, or as though you considered the Spirit extinguished." And the name of God can in no way be polluted, and yet it was said: "The son and the father were entering to one girl, in order to pollute the name of their Lord God." And in no way can these men extricate themselves, when it is put to them why the sanctity of the sacrament can be both held and given by one whom God has already inwardly condemned as a criminal, and yet begins to be unable to give it only when he has been condemned by men, although even then he cannot lose it. Finally, why did Felicianus, whom the three hundred and ten condemned with Maximianus and who was long outside in a sacrilegious schism, as they themselves declared in their own council, not only not lose baptism itself, but also not lose the right of giving it? For he was received back in his own honor, just as he had gone out, together with all those whom he had baptized while placed outside, none of them being rebaptized. For if they judged that any of those whom he had baptized while outside ought to be rebaptized, they would be judging that he had lost the right of giving while he was outside; and consequently it would follow that they would also ordain him again, if they rebaptized those. But when they are recalled to the peace of Christ, they are slanderers; when they consult the peace of Donatus, they are dissemblers. What else is this than what their own Tyconius says about them: "What we want is holy"?
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Ut quid ergo Parmenianus inani iactantia exultat et dicit: numquam diuinae legis censura patietur, id uiuificare quemquam mortuus possit, curare uulneratus, inluminare caecus, uestire nudus, emundare pollutus? dominus enim suscitat mortuos, dominus curat uulneratos, dominus illuminat caecos, dominus uestit nudos, dominus emundat pollutos. quid sibi arrogat quae hominis non sunt? itane uiui sunt aput eos qui non peccant, ut etiam uiuificare posse dicantur, cum incrementum dare non possint? ego, inquit, plantaui, Apollo rigauit, sed deus incrementum dedit. neque qui plantat est aliquid neque qui rigat, sed qui incrementum dat deus. quomodo dat uitam mortuo, qui incrementum dare non potest uiuo? sicut enim pater excitat mortuos et uiuificat, sic et filius quos uult uiuificat. itane aput illos sani sunt, ut possint etiam curare non sanos? quid aliud isti quam se benedicendos pro domino opponunt? sed ab eis nullo modo seducuntur qui non in homine, sed in deo sperantes cantant: benedic anima mea dominum et noli obliuisci omnes retributiones eius, qui propitius fit omnibus iniquitatibus tuis, qui sanat omnes languores tuos. si omnes languores ipse sanat, nullum relinquit quem Parmenianus sanare se dicat. tantane aput illos sunt lumina, ut inluminare etiam possint?
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Why then does Parmenianus exult with empty boasting and say: the censure of divine law will never permit that a dead man can give life, a wounded man heal, a blind man illuminate, a naked man clothe, a polluted man cleanse? For the Lord raises the dead, the Lord heals the wounded, the Lord illuminates the blind, the Lord clothes the naked, the Lord cleanses the polluted. What does he arrogate to himself that is not of man? Are those who do not sin so alive among them that they are even said to be able to give life, when they cannot give growth? I, he says, planted, Apollo watered, but God gave the increase. Neither the one who plants is anything, nor the one who waters, but the one who gives the increase is God. How does one who cannot give growth to the living give life to the dead? For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life, so also the Son gives life to whom he wills. Are they so healthy among them that they can even heal the unhealthy? What else do these men do but set themselves up to be blessed in place of the Lord? But those who hope not in man but in God are in no way deceived by them, and sing: bless, my soul, the Lord, and do not forget all his rewards, who becomes propitious for all your iniquities, who heals all your infirmities. If he himself heals all infirmities, he leaves none for Parmenianus to claim he heals. Are there so many lights among them that they can even illuminate?
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quod nec illi, quo in natis mulierum maior nemo surrexit, Iohanni Baptistae Iohannes euangelista concedit, de quo ait: non erat ille lumen, sed ut testimonium perhiberet de lumine. erat lumen uerum quod illuminat omnem hominem uenientem in hunc mundum. si omnem hominem illud lumen illuminat, nullum relinquit quem Parmenianus illuminare se dicat, quia, etsi sancti homines secundum quendam modum dicuntur lumina, aliud tamen sunt lumina illuminata, aliud tamen lumen illuminans, quod solum illud est de quo idem Iohannes Baptista dicit: nos omnes de plenitudine eius accepimus. nudos autem quis uestit nisi qui dicit: proferte illi stolam primam et qui corruptibile hoc induet incorruptionem et mortale hoc induet immortalitatem? et homo quisquam diuino indumento aliquem uestire dicitur, cui magnum est si uestiri ipse mereatur? iam porro emundare pollutum audeat se dicere, si prius audet se dicere non esse pollutum. mundati enim sumus equidem per gratiam dei. sed ne tunc quidem mundabimus aliquem, cum fuerit perfecta nostra mundatio; quanto minus modo, cum corpus quod corrumpitur aggrauat animam! quis enim glorietur castum se habere cor aut glorietur mundum se esse a peccato? mundare quippe atque sanare in spiritalibus rebus tantundem ualet. sicut autem spe salui facti sumus, ita spe mundati sumus in perfecta salute et in perfecta munditia.
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that not even to him, than whom no greater man arose among those born of women, John the Baptist, does John the Evangelist grant, concerning whom he says: he was not the light, but was to bear witness to the light. The true light was that which illuminates every man coming into this world. If that light illuminates every man, it leaves none whom Parmenianus claims to illuminate, because, although holy men are in a certain sense called lights, yet illuminated lights are one thing, and the illuminating light is another, which alone is that of which the same John the Baptist says: we all have received from its fullness. But who clothes the naked except he who says: bring forth that first robe, and who will clothe this corruptible with incorruption and this mortal with immortality? And is any man said to clothe another with a divine garment, when it is a great thing if he himself deserves to be clothed? Moreover, let him dare to say that he cleanses the polluted, if he first dares to say that he himself is not polluted. For we are indeed cleansed through the grace of God. But not even then will we cleanse anyone, when our cleansing is perfect; how much less now, when the body which is corrupted weighs down the soul! For who will boast that he has a chaste heart, or who will boast that he is clean from sin? For to cleanse and to heal in spiritual matters are equivalent. For just as we are saved in hope, so we are cleansed in hope, in perfect health and in perfect cleanness.
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quomodo ergo sanare et mundare iam possumus, qui nec tunc poterimus, cum omni modo mundi saluique fuerimus? sed deus, inquit, haec per hominem facit. facit sane, sed fecit et per Iudam, quem ad euangelium praedicandum cum ceteris misit, fecit et per Pharisaeos in eis, qui bona quae per eos audiebant ipsi faciebant, cum illi non facerent quae dicebant. postremo cur iniqui et scelerati eorum, siue cum latent siue cum pro Donati parte tolerantur, uiuificant curant illuminant mundant? an ipsi non sunt mortui uulnerati caeci polluti? an ideo non aput eos caeci caecos ducentes simul in foueam cadunt, quia non ipsos, sed deum quem praedicant illi, audiendo et obtemperando sectantur? ita sane. sed tunc praedicant deum, si cum Christo colligunt; cum uero quae cum illo non colligunt spargunt, Donatum praedicando, non deum, caeci caecos sequendo simul in foueam cadunt. sed de quaestione baptismi latius aliquid domino adiuuante tractabimus, cum de omnibus testimoniis sanctarum scripturarum quae nobis obicienda credidit Parmeniano responderimus, qui uere ipse adaquat proximos sibi euersione iniquitatis, qui eis tam malum propinauit errorem, ut non pro pace, sed pro diuisione et discissione non solum loquatur ipse, sed etiam diuinos libros loqui persuadeat.
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How, then, can we now heal and cleanse, when we will not be able to do so even then, when we are in every way clean and safe? But God, he says, does these things through a man. He does indeed, but He also did them through Judas, whom He sent with the others to preach the gospel, and through the Pharisees, in those who themselves did the good things they heard through them, while they did not do what they said. Finally, why do the wicked and criminal among them, whether when they are hidden or when they are tolerated for the sake of Donatus’ party, give life, heal, enlighten, cleanse? Are they not themselves dead, wounded, blind, polluted? Or is it not the case that among them the blind leading the blind fall together into the pit, because they, by hearing and obeying, follow not them, but the God whom they preach? So it is. But then they preach God, if they gather with Christ; when, however, they scatter what they do not gather with Him, preaching Donatus, not God, the blind following the blind fall together into the pit. But we will treat the question of baptism more fully, with the Lord’s help, when we have responded to all the testimonies of the holy scriptures which Parmenianus believed should be brought against us, he who truly waters his neighbors with the overthrow of iniquity, who gave them such a bad error to drink, that not only does he himself speak not for peace, but for division and schism, but he also persuades the divine books to speak thus.
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Sed inter multa miror hominem, cum ageret non posse haberi baptismum nisi acceptum nec posse accipi sine dante, interposuisse ex euangelio testimonium: non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi fuerit illi datum de caelo. posset enim aliquis horum uerborum inscius, cum coepisset iste dicere: non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum illi fuerit de caelo, antequam dixisset 'de caelo* putare illum dicturum fuisse 'a Donato' aut (a Parmeniano' aut 'ab aliquo de parte Donati' aut omnino 'ab ipsa parte Donati'. agnosco euangelium et illic scriptum esse recenseo: non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum illi fuerit de caelo. sed numquid Donatus est caelum? numquid Parmenianus est caelum? numquid pars ipsa Donati? illa uero non esset caelum, nec si esset in caelo. qui enim ait: non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum ei fuerit de caelo, numquam diceret: 'nisi datum fuerit ei de sole aut de luna aut de stellis', quae tamen in caelo sunt; quanto minus diceret: nisi datum fuerit ei de parte Donati', quae non solum non est caelum nec in caelo, sed nec in regno uult esse caelorum! nec illud procul dubio diceret: 'non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum fuerit ei de ecclesia'; et ipsa enim ecclesia de caelo accipit. si autem diceret: 'non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum fuerit ei ab homine .
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But among many things I marvel at the man, when he argued that baptism cannot be held unless received, nor can it be received without a giver, that he inserted a testimony from the Gospel: "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from heaven." For someone ignorant of these words could, when this man began to say, "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from heaven," before he said "from heaven," suppose that he was going to say "from Donatus" or "from Parmenianus" or "from someone of the Donatist party" or altogether "from the Donatist party itself." I recognize the Gospel and recall that it is written there: "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from heaven." But is Donatus heaven? Is Parmenianus heaven? Is the Donatist party itself heaven? Indeed, it would not be heaven, even if it were in heaven. For he who says, "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from heaven," would never say, "unless it has been given to him from the sun or from the moon or from the stars," which nevertheless are in heaven; how much less would he say, "unless it has been given to him from the Donatist party," which not only is not heaven nor in heaven, but does not even wish to be in the kingdom of the heavens! And without doubt he would not say that either: "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from the church"; for the church itself receives from heaven. But if he said, "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him by a man...
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iusto', inruerent quidem isti frontosi et se iustos esse proclamarent, ut ab eis acciperet qui uellet accipere, nec nos quaestionem faceremus, utrum iusti essent an non essent, sed inter eos esse uel latentes iniustos facile ostenderemus ex quibusdam proditis et exclusis, et tamen eos non improbare nec dicere non datum uel non acceptum, quod datum et acceptum esset a talibus. sed et hoc falso diceretur, si diceretur: non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum ei fuerit ab homine iusto'. ipse enim iustus, a quo alter accipit, quaero a quo acceperit. si et ipse ab homine iusto, et de illo ita quaero, donec ab ipso capite ordinis humani ad aliquem perueniam qui non ab homine accepit, atque ita falsum esse doceam quod non potest homo accipere quicquam, nisi datum fuerit ei ab homine. Quid autem agunt isti nescientes per euangelicum testimonium, nisi ut homines ammoneantur, ut aliquando euigilent atque aduertant uere non homines esse attendendos, cum sanctum aliquid accipere homo desiderat, sed illum solum qui hoc de caelo dat homini, quia non potest homo accipere quic quam, nisi datum fuerit ei de caelo? quodsi dixerint: (de caelo quidem accipit non de homine, sed tamen per hominem', quaero per qualem. si per iustum tantum, non habent illi qui aput eos ipsos per latentes iniquissimos acceperunt; si et per iniustum, quae causa ergo est ut aliquem rebaptizent?
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righteous," these shameless ones would indeed rush in and proclaim themselves righteous, so that anyone who wished to receive might receive from them, and we would not raise the question whether they were righteous or not, but we would easily show that there were even hidden unjust men among them, based on some who had been exposed and expelled, and yet they would not reject them nor say that what had been given and received by such men was not given or received. But even this would be falsely said, if it were said: "A man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him by a righteous man." For I ask from whom that righteous man himself, from whom another receives, received. If he too received from a righteous man, I inquire about him as well, until from the very head of the human order I come to someone who did not receive from a man, and thus I prove false the claim that a man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him by a man. But what do these ignorant men accomplish through the Gospel testimony, except to remind men that they should at last wake up and notice that truly it is not men who are to be regarded when a man desires to receive something holy, but only that one who gives it from heaven to man, because a man cannot receive anything unless it has been given to him from heaven? And if they say: "He receives it indeed from heaven, not from a man, but yet through a man," I ask: through what kind of man? If only through a righteous man, then those who among them have received through the most wicked hidden men do not have it; if also through an unjust man, what reason, then, is there for them to rebaptize anyone?
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si per iniustum non nisi latentem, non habent quos baptizauit manifestus satelles Gildonis Optatus; si et per iniustum etiam manifestum, qui tamen nondum damnatus et ab ecclesiae communione proiectus sit, non habent illi quos Felicianus Mustitanus, cum ab eorum communione foris esset, in Maximiani schismate baptizauit, quos tamen nunc cum illo regressos nemo rebaptizat. postremo si homo, quamuis de caelo, non tamen nisi per hominem potest accipere quicquam, quaero ipse Iohannes Baptista, qui haec dicebat, per quem hominem acceperat quod de caelo utique acceperat, et non inuenitur. atque ita testimoniis a se prolatis mala causa conuincitur, quia, etsi dicit filius accepisse se a patre et spiritum sanctum de suo accipere, non quasi gradatim, sed sicut ipse exposuit dicens: quia omnia quae habet pater mea sunt, ideo dixi: de meo accipiet, posse tamen hominem non interposito homine diuinitus aliquid accipere exemplo suo Iohannes ipse testatur et tot sancti, antequam dei filius homo fieret, et posteaquam resurrexit et ascendit in caelum centum uiginti homines qui simul congregati erant, quos nullo homine in terra manum imponente de caelo ueniens spiritus sanctus impleuit, et constituto iam ordine ecclesiae Cornelium centurionem ante ipsum baptismum, ante impositionem manus cum eis qui secum erant eodem sancto spiritu repletum Petrus ipse miratus est.
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If through an unjust man only a hidden one, then those whom the manifest satellite of Gildo, Optatus, baptized do not have it; if through an unjust man even a manifest one, who yet has not been condemned and cast out from the communion of the Church, then those whom Felicianus of Musti, when he was outside their communion, baptized in the schism of Maximianus do not have it—yet no one rebaptizes those who have now returned with him. Finally, if a man, though from heaven, can receive nothing except through a man, I ask: John the Baptist himself, who said these things, through what man had he received what he had certainly received from heaven? And none is found. And thus the bad cause is refuted by the testimonies he himself produced, because, even if he says that the Son received from the Father and that the Holy Spirit receives from his own, not as if by degrees, but as he himself explained, saying: “Because everything the Father has is mine, therefore I said: he will receive from mine,” yet that a man can receive something divinely without the interposition of a man is testified by John himself by his own example, and by so many saints, before the Son of God became man, and after he rose and ascended into heaven, the one hundred and twenty men who were gathered together, whom the Holy Spirit coming from heaven filled without any man on earth laying on hands; and, with the order of the Church already established, Cornelius the centurion, before his baptism, before the laying on of hands, was filled with the same Holy Spirit together with those who were with him, at which Peter himself marveled.
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nemo ergo accipit sine dante; sed quod pertinet ad baptismi sanctitatem, adest deus qui det et homo qui accipiat, siue per se ipsum deo dante siue per angelum, siue per hominem sanctum [siue per Petrum] siue per hominem iniquum, sicut per tam multos uel latentes uel manifestos, quos ante tempus de messe colligere serui patris familias prohibentur et quos uelut paleam frumenta dominica usque ad tempus uentilationis corde interim separata non temeritate corporaliter deserunt, sed pietate spiritaliter ferunt. Qui male, inquit, credidit, consequi non potest baptismi sacramentum, quia scriptum est: peruersum non potest adornari. quid? si ergo aput eos quispiam baptizatus, qui uerbi gratia putauerat Christum ex eo esse coepisse, ex quo secundum carnem de uirgine Maria natus est, postea ueritatis sermone commotus, cum comperisset ipsum esse de quo Iohannes ait: in principio erat uerbum et uerbum erat aput deum et deus erat uerbum, de quo consequenter ait: uerbum caro factum est et habitauit in nobis, fateretur eis errorem suum pristinum atque in eo se fuisse cum baptizaretur sollicitus indicaret, iuberent eum denuo baptizari?
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Therefore no one receives without a giver; but as pertains to the sanctity of baptism, God is present who gives and the man who receives, whether through God giving by himself or through an angel, or through a holy man [or through Peter] or through an unjust man, just as through so many either hidden or manifest ones, whom the servants of the householder are forbidden to gather from the harvest before the time, and whom, like chaff, the Lord's grains, with heart meanwhile separated, do not corporally abandon through temerity but spiritually bear through piety. He who believed wrongly, he says, cannot obtain the sacrament of baptism, because it is written: the perverse cannot be adorned. What then? If someone among them is baptized, who, for example, had thought that Christ began to exist from the time when he was born in the flesh from the virgin Mary, and later, moved by the discourse of truth, when he had discovered that he is the one of whom John says: in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, of whom he consequently says: the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and he confessed to them his former error and indicated that he was in that error when he was baptized, would they order him to be baptized again?
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numquam utique facerent, sed hominis imperitam simplicitatem, carnali opinione prius prauam, postea ueritatis ratione correctam gratularentur, aut si etiam talis peruersitas pertinaciter ei defendenda uideretur et diu reluctatus neque correctus etiam de ecclesia pelleretur et postea cognita ueritate remearet, paenitentia utique curandum esse censerent, non iteratione baptismatis uulnerandum, quamuis hoc in corde se habuisse fateretur etiam illo tempore, quo aput ipsos fuerat baptizatus. peruersum ergo non potest adornari, quia non ei ad ornamentum -ualeret sacramentum quod acceperat, si in fide peruersa persisteret, sed potius ad supplicium, cum tamen ipsum per se sacramentum etiam in peruerso, quem non ornabat sed iudicabat, integrum permaneret et ideo nullo modo esset illius sacramenti uiolanda sanctitas, etiam cum esset illius hominis corrigenda peruersitas.
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They would never do so, but would rejoice in the man's inexperienced simplicity, previously corrupted by a carnal opinion, later corrected by the reason of truth; or if such perversity seemed to him pertinaciously defended, and after long resistance he was not corrected but even expelled from the Church, and later, having come to know the truth, he returned, they would judge that he was to be cured by penance, not wounded by a repetition of baptism, even though he confessed that he had held this in his heart even at the time when he had been baptized among them. Therefore, a perverse person cannot be adorned, because the sacrament he had received would not avail him as an ornament if he persisted in perverse faith, but rather to his punishment; yet the sacrament itself, even in a perverse person whom it did not adorn but judged, would remain intact, and therefore the sanctity of that sacrament was in no way to be violated, even when the perversity of that man was to be corrected.
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Audet etiam Parmenianus exempla nobis diuina proponere, quibus se arbitratur ostendere quaerendum esse hominem sanctum, a quo debeat accipi sacramentum. ipse, inquit, dei filius, ipse dominus Iesus Christus, a quo principium spiritalis baptismi exortum est, cum secundum uoluntatem patris baptizandus esset, utrumne ad Pharisaeos perfidos atque profanos an ad sanctissimum Iohannem uenisse monstratur ? at si hoc exemplo inuitamur ad accipiendum baptismum, inferiorem nobis a quo baptizemur debemus inquirere, quandoquidem dominus ab eo baptizatus est, qui se ab ipso domino baptizari debere praedixerat et qui se indignum corrigiam calciamenti eius soluere testabatur. quin immo, ut intermittam quaerere diligentius, cur ipse saluator noster baptizari uoluerit, iam quia certa aliqua causa uoluit, propterea fortasse, cum se ipse posset tinguere qui etiam suum baptizatorem poterat baptizare, uoluit dominus a seruo et ille per quem facta sunt omnia ab illo qui factus est inter omnia baptizari, ut et doceret humilitatem et ostenderet non interesse quis a quo baptizetur, dum eo baptismo quo baptizandus est baptizetur. nec a Pharisaeis dedignaretur ille baptizari, si haberent huiusmodi baptismum Pharisaei, quo ille certi sacramenti gratia uoluit baptizari.
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Parmenianus even dares to set before us divine examples, by which he thinks to show that a holy man must be sought, from whom the sacrament should be received. "He himself," he says, "the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ himself, from whom the beginning of spiritual baptism arose, when he was to be baptized according to the will of his Father—is it shown that he came to the faithless and profane Pharisees, or to the most holy John?" But if by this example we are invited to receive baptism, we ought to seek out one inferior to ourselves from whom to be baptized, since the Lord was baptized by one who had foretold that he ought to be baptized by the Lord himself, and who testified that he was unworthy to untie the strap of his sandal. Nay rather—to set aside inquiring more diligently why our Savior himself wished to be baptized, since he wished it for some definite reason—perhaps for this reason, because although he could have immersed himself, he who could also baptize his own baptizer, the Lord wished to be baptized by a servant, and he through whom all things were made by one who was made among all things, in order both to teach humility and to show that it does not matter by whom one is baptized, provided that one is baptized with that baptism with which he ought to be baptized. Nor would he have disdained to be baptized by the Pharisees, if the Pharisees had possessed a baptism of this kind, with which he wished to be baptized for the sake of a certain sacrament.
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nam cum etiam circumcidendus esset, numquid Iohannes quaesitus est, quia hoc a Iudaeis fieri iam solebat, et cum pro illo esset offerendum legale sacrificium, numquid deuitatum est illud templum quod ab eo uocatur spelunca latronum? quo certe et boni intrabant et mali nec bonis oberant mali, quoniam dominus, qui ait: sancti estote, quia et ego sanctus sum, ita inuiolabiliter facit sanctos suos uersari inter malos, si custodiant eam quam accipiunt sanctitatem, quemadmodum ipse dominus Iesus nulla contagione malignitatis in Iudaeorum gente pollutus est, neque cum illa prima sacramenta secundum perfectam humilitatis uiam factus sub lege suscepit neque cum postea discipulis electis cum suo traditore usque ad extremum osculum uixit. eius enim exemplo non solum non facientis mala, sed etiam non consentientis ulli malitiae, inter paleam frumenta secura sunt, quia neque talia faciunt neque consentiunt facientibus, etiamsi in eadem segete usque ad messem, in eadem area usque ad uentilationem, intra eadem retia usque ad separationem quae in litore futura est boni tolerent malos. sed isti sunt uere caeci duces caecorum, qui et in numero suorum tam multos malos uident et uiam pacis non uident et ut se non ad sustinendum inuicem propter unitatis uinculum, sed ad diuidendum inuicem propter schismatis sacrilegium sequantur homines persuadent.
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For when he also had to be circumcised, was John sought out, because this was already customarily done by the Jews? And when the legal sacrifice was to be offered for him, was that temple avoided which he calls a den of thieves? Into that temple certainly both good and evil entered, and the evil did not harm the good, because the Lord, who says, "Be holy, for I also am holy," makes his saints dwell inviolably among the evil, if they guard the sanctity they receive, just as the Lord Jesus himself was polluted by no contagion of malignity among the Jewish people, neither when, following the path of perfect humility, he received those first sacraments under the law, nor when afterwards he lived among the chosen disciples with his betrayer up to the final kiss. For by his example—not only of doing no evil, but also of consenting to no malice—the grains of wheat are safe among the chaff, because they neither do such things nor consent to those who do them, even if in the same field until the harvest, on the same threshing floor until the winnowing, within the same nets until the separation that will take place on the shore, the good tolerate the evil. But these are truly blind leaders of the blind, who see so many evil men among their own number and do not see the way of peace, and persuade men to follow them not in bearing with one another for the sake of the bond of unity, but in dividing from one another for the sacrilege of schism.
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At enim dictum est per prophetam regi Iosaphat: o rex Iosaphat, si peccatorem tu adiuuas aut eum quem dominus odit tu diligis? propterea fuit super te ira domini. quis enim nostrum dicit peccatorem adiuuandum ad hoc utique in quo peccare uult, sicut ipse Achab, quem adiuuit Iosaphat eundo cum illo in proelium, cum ille Michae prophetae ueracia uerba contemneret? et tamen nec sic obfuit innocentiae regis Iosaphat pessimum meritum regis Achab, quia illum dominus ad se exclamantem de periculo bellico liberauit, illum autem sacrilegum contemptorem in manus hostium uenire permisit. et si quid Iosaphat periculi expertus est, quod ei propheta indicat ab ira domini fuisse, non alieno meruerat peccato sed suo, quia sicut ei dictum est peccantem adiuuabat. sed aput deum cetera eius bona facta praeualuerunt. sic enim ei dicitur: si peccatorem illum adiuuisti et eis qui oderunt dominum amicus es? et in hoc super te ira a facie domini. sermones dei boni in uniuersa sunt tecum, quoniam abstulisti lucos de terra et parasti cor tuum ad requirendum deum.
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For it was said through the prophet to King Jehoshaphat: "O King Jehoshaphat, if you help a sinner or love one whom the Lord hates, therefore the wrath of the Lord was upon you." For who among us says that a sinner is to be helped in that very thing in which he wishes to sin, as Ahab himself, whom Jehoshaphat helped by going with him into battle, when that king scorned the truthful words of the prophet Micaiah? And yet not even thus did the very evil merit of King Ahab harm the innocence of King Jehoshaphat, because the Lord freed him, crying out to Him from the danger of war, but allowed that sacrilegious despiser to fall into the hands of his enemies. And if Jehoshaphat experienced any danger, which the prophet indicates to him came from the Lord's wrath, he had not deserved it by another's sin but by his own, because, as was said to him, he was helping a sinner. But before God his other good deeds prevailed. For thus it is said to him: "If you helped that sinner and are a friend to those who hate the Lord? And in this the wrath from the face of the Lord is upon you. The good words of God are with you in all things, because you removed the groves from the land and prepared your heart to seek God.
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qui autem uersatur in ecclesia dei, ubi sunt et illi qui sua quaerunt, non quae Iesu Christi, qui per inuidiam et contentionem Christum annuntiant non caste, et dicit: siue per occasionem siue per ueritatem Christus annuntietur; et in hoc gaudeo, sed et gaudebo, inpollutus inter eos atque integer permanet, quia non eis ad sua quaerenda consentit, cum hoc culpet atque arguat, nec eos ad peccandum, sed ad hoc adiuuat, unde Christus latius praedicetur et ab eis qui audiunt et faciunt per eos qui quod dicunt non faciunt Christo credatur, in Christo speretur, Christus diligatur. talibus enim praecepit idem apostolus dicens: nolite coniungi cum infidelibus. quae enim participatio est iustitiae et iniquitati? quae communicatio est luci ad tenebras? quis autem consensus est Christi ad Beliar? aut quae pars fideli cum infideli? quae autem conuentio templo dei cum simulacris? uos enim templa dei uiui estis. dicit enim: quia inhabitabo in eis et inambulabo et ero illorum deus et ipsi erunt mihi populus. propter quod exite de medio eorum et separamini, dicit dominusetimmundum ne tetigeritis. et ego recipiam uos et ero uobis in patrem et uos eritis mihi in filios et filias, dicit dominus omnipotens. quae uerba isti carnaliter sentientes per tot diuisiones se ipsos minutatim in ipsa una Africa conciderunt.
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But whoever is engaged in the Church of God, where there are also those who seek their own interests, not those of Jesus Christ, who through envy and contention announce Christ not chastely, and says: "Whether by chance or by truth Christ is announced; and in this I rejoice, and I will rejoice," remains unpolluted and whole among them, because he does not consent to their seeking their own interests, since he blames and rebukes this, nor does he help them to sin, but helps them to that end whereby Christ is more widely proclaimed, and by those who hear and do, through those who say but do not do, Christ is believed in, hoped in, and loved. For the same apostle commands such people, saying: "Do not join with the unfaithful. For what participation has justice with iniquity? What communication has light with darkness? Or what agreement has Christ with Beliar? Or what part has the faithful with the unfaithful? Or what fellowship has the temple of God with idols? For you are temples of the living God." For he says: "Because I will dwell in them and walk in them and I will be their God and they will be my people. For this reason, depart from among them and separate yourselves, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean. And I will receive you and I will be a father to you and you will be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty." These words, understood carnally by these people, have cut themselves into minute pieces throughout that same Africa.
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non enim intellegunt neminem coniungi infidelibus nisi qui facit peccata paganorum uel talia facientibus fauet, nec quemquam fieri participem iniquitatis nisi qui iniqua uel agit uel adprobat. quis autem communicat tenebris nisi per tenebras consensionis suae, cum dimisso Christo sequitur Beliar? quis ponit cum infidelibus partem suam nisi qui eius infidelitatis fit particeps? ita enim et templum dei esse desinit nec se aliter simulacris adiungit. qui autem sunt templa dei uiui et in medio nationis tortuosae ac peruersae apparent sicut luminaria in mundo uerbum uitae habentes, nihil eos quod pro unitate tolerant inficit nec angustantur, quia in illis habitat et deambulat deus et exeunt de medio malorum atque separantur interim corde, ne forte, cum id facere per seditionem schismatis uolunt, prius a bonis spiritaliter quam a malis corporaliter separentur.
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For they do not understand that no one is joined to the unbelievers except one who either commits the sins of the pagans or favors those who do such things, nor does anyone become a participant in iniquity except one who either does or approves of unjust deeds. But who communicates with darkness except through the darkness of his own consent, when, having abandoned Christ, he follows Beliar? Who places his lot with the unbelievers except one who becomes a partaker of that unbelief? For thus he also ceases to be a temple of God and does not otherwise join himself to idols. But those who are temples of the living God and appear in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation like lamps in the world, possessing the word of life—nothing that they endure for the sake of unity defiles them, nor are they distressed, because God dwells and walks about in them, and they depart from the midst of the wicked and are separated in heart in the meantime, lest, when they wish to do this through the sedition of schism, they be separated from the good spiritually before they are separated from the wicked corporally.
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Quod ergo scriptum est deum dixisse: eos qui me clarificant clarificabo et qui me spernit spernetur, ipsi maxime nolunt intueri. quomodo enim clarificant deum, qui dicunt per orbem terrarum impleri non potuisse eius promissa quae promisit patribus nostris Abrahae, Isaac et Iacob, quae per prophetas tanto ante praenuntians exhibuit per unicum suum, qui factus est ei ex semine Dauid secundum carnem, ut in illo id est in semine Abrahae benedicerentur omnes gentes; qui dicunt ipsum dei filium frustra dixisse: sinite utraque crescere usque ad messem, quasi falsus fuerit aut ipse fefellerit, cum sola zizania per mundum creuerint, frumenta uero praeter Donati partem in toto terrarum orbe defecerint? quomodo ista sentientes clarificant dominum, cum scriptum sit: in latitudine gentis gloria regis, in demi nutione autem populi contritio principis? aut quomodo non spernunt dominum, qui baptismum eius in eis, quorum causam non audierunt et de quibus iudicare nullo modo potuerunt, incredibili temeritate impietatis exsufflant et sibi audent arrogare quod dei est, a se damnatos in honoribus integris pro Donati pace recipiunt et a se inauditos contra pacem domini detestantur, baptisma in illis terrarum partibus per apostolos traditum perisse contendunt et per Felicianum aput Maximianistas traditum non perisse concedunt?
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Therefore, they especially refuse to consider what was written, that God said: "Those who glorify me, I will glorify; and whoever scorns me will be scorned." For how do they glorify God, who say that his promises, which he made to our fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, could not be fulfilled throughout the whole world—promises which he announced so long beforehand through the prophets and fulfilled through his only Son, who was born to him from the seed of David according to the flesh, so that in him, that is, in the seed of Abraham, all nations would be blessed? How do they glorify God, who say that the Son of God himself spoke in vain when he said: "Let both grow together until the harvest," as if he were false or had deceived, when only the tares have grown throughout the world, while the wheat, apart from the party of Donatus, has failed in the whole world? How do those who think this glorify the Lord, when it is written: "In the breadth of the people is the glory of the king, but in the diminution of the people is the contrition of the prince"? Or how do they not scorn the Lord, who, with incredible rashness of impiety, blow upon his baptism in those whose case they have not heard and about whom they could in no way judge, and dare to arrogate to themselves what belongs to God, receiving back into their own communion, for the sake of Donatus's peace, those whom they have condemned while their honors remain intact, and yet detest, against the peace of the Lord, those whom they have not heard, claiming that baptism, handed down by the apostles in those parts of the world, has perished, while conceding that baptism handed down by Felicianus among the Maximianists has not perished?
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iam uero quomodo catholici non clarificant dominum, qui promissa eius nullis hominum sceleribus quominus implerentur impediri potuisse confidunt, qui sacramenta eius tam debita ueneratione prosecuntur, ut ea si etiam ab indignis tractata fuerint, illis sua peruersitate damnatis illa intemerata sanctitate permanere demonstrent? Iterum, inquiunt, scriptum est: nolite communicare operibus infructuosis tenebrarum, magis autem et redarguite. quae enim fiunt ab ipsis latenter turpe est et dicere. iam ipsa uerba quemadmodum intellegenda sint diximus, quia non communicare est non consentire; quod propter ecclesiae disciplinam parum est, nisi etiam redarguantur, ut corrigi possint. sed haec salua pace facienda sunt et quantum admittit officium conseruandae unitatis, ne simul eradicetur et triticum. Iterum ad Timotheum idem apostolus: ne, inquit, communicaueris peccatis alienis. te ipsum castum serua. docuit ex consequenti, quemadmodum quod prius dixit intellegendum sit. qui enim se ipsum castum seruat, non communicat peccatis alienis. si enim communicat consentit, si consentit corrumpitur, si corrumpitur castum se ipsum non seruat. sed sane tandem aliquando euigilauit Parmenianus et attendit quid diceret Tychonius, sed frustra; statim quippe amore sententiae suae contra ueritatem oculos clausit. ait enim: an numquid, frater carissime, non polluunt alios aliena peccata?
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Now, how do Catholics not glorify the Lord, who trust that his promises could not be prevented from being fulfilled by any crimes of men, who pursue his sacraments with such due veneration that they demonstrate that even if these have been handled by the unworthy, those sacraments remain in inviolate sanctity, while the unworthy are condemned by their own perversity? Again, they say, it is written: "Do not communicate with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather also rebuke them. For what is done by them in secret is shameful even to speak of." We have already said how these very words are to be understood: that not to communicate is not to consent; which, for the sake of church discipline, is not enough unless they are also rebuked, so that they can be corrected. But these things are to be done while preserving peace and as far as the duty of maintaining unity allows, lest the wheat be uprooted along with the tares. Again, to Timothy, the same apostle says: "Do not," he says, "communicate with the sins of others. Keep yourself chaste." He taught, as a consequence, how what he said earlier is to be understood. For he who keeps himself chaste does not communicate with the sins of others. For if he communicates, he consents; if he consents, he is corrupted; if he is corrupted, he does not keep himself chaste. But at last Parmenianus finally woke up and paid attention to what Tychonius was saying, but in vain; for immediately, out of love for his own opinion, he closed his eyes to the truth. For he says: "But surely, dearest brother, do not the sins of others pollute others?
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et hoc est facinerosis non communicare, licet cum ipsis conuenias, eorum facta non facere. et tamen non totum dixit. parum est enim eorum facta non facere, nisi displiceant; parum est ut displiceant, nisi redarguantur. aliud est enim non facere, aliud non communicare id est consentire facientibus, aliud etiam redarguere. cur ergo ubi uidere coeperat statim se auertit et usque in finem noluit peruenire et uix trientem de toto posuit? an, sicut de populo fecerunt, etiam ueritatis sententiam praecidendam putauit? nos dicimus, quod, qui non facit malum nec facienti consentit et facientem arguit, firmus atque integer inter iniquos tamquam frumentum inter paleam conuersatur; ille autem tantummodo ait: (eorum facta non facere.' et tamen hanc tertiam de tota sententia particulam quemadmodum refellat uideamus. Quod contra legem esse diuinam, inquit, nullus qui legem ueneratur ignorat. adhuc ista uerba communiter dici possunt. potest enim et alius dicere: (quod secundum legem esse diuinam nullus qui legem ueneratur ignorat.' sed opus est probare, non dicere. attendamus ergo quemadmodum probet quid enim prodest, inquit, innocentiam custodisse, si cum reis mixtus es et obnoxius? sane, si ita est, non innocentiam custodisse non prodest, sed innocentia custodita non est. mixtus enim reis et obnoxius nisi per conscientiae maculatam consensionem nullus recte dici potest.
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and this is not to commune with criminals, even if you associate with them, by not doing their deeds. Yet he did not say everything. For it is not enough not to do their deeds, unless they displease you; it is not enough that they displease you, unless you rebuke them. For it is one thing not to do, another not to commune—that is, to consent to those who do—and another also to rebuke. Why, then, when he had begun to see, did he immediately turn away and refuse to go all the way to the end, and set down barely a third of the whole? Or did he think, as they did with the people, that the sentence of truth should also be cut short? We say that whoever does not do evil, nor consents to the one doing it, and rebukes the doer, dwells firm and whole among the wicked like grain among chaff; but he only says, “not to do their deeds.” And yet let us see how he refutes this third part of the whole sentence. “That this is against divine law,” he says, “no one who reveres the law is ignorant.” So far these words can be spoken commonly. For another could also say, “That this is according to divine law, no one who reveres the law is ignorant.” But it is necessary to prove, not to speak. Let us therefore attend to how he proves. “For what good is it,” he says, “to have kept innocence, if you are mixed with the guilty and liable?” Certainly, if it is so, it is not that keeping innocence does no good, but that innocence has not been kept. For no one can rightly be called mixed with the guilty and liable except through the stained consent of conscience.
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qui uero implet quod scriptum est: iusto nihil placet iniquum, ubilibet eum uersari quaelibet necessitas cogat, misceri iniquitatibus non potest. uel quomodo, inquit, incorruptus poteris permanere qui corruptis sociaris? ita plane, si sociatur, id est si mali aliquid cum eis committit aut committentibus fauet; si autem neutrum facit, nullo modo sociatur. porro si addat tertium, ut non sit in uindicando piger, sed uel corripiat iustus in misericordia et arguat uel etiam, si eam personam gerit et ratio conseruandae pacis admittit, et coram omnibus peccantes arguat, ut ceteri timeant, remoueat etiam uel ab aliquo gradu honoris uel ab ipsa communione sacramentorum, et haec omnia cum dilectione corrigendi, non cum odio persequendi faciat, plenissimum officium non solum castissimae innocentiae, sed etiam diligentissimae seueritatis impleuit. ubi autem cetera impediuntur, illa duo semper retenta incorruptum castumque custodiunt, ut nec faciat malum nec approbet factum.
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Whoever fulfills what is written: "to the just man nothing unjust is pleasing," wherever he may be placed, whatever necessity compels him, he cannot be mixed up in iniquities. "But how," he says, "will you be able to remain uncorrupted if you associate with the corrupt?" Quite so, if he associates, that is, if he commits something evil with them or favors those who commit it; but if he does neither, he in no way associates. Moreover, if he adds a third thing, so that he is not sluggish in correcting, but either the just man rebukes in mercy and reproves, or even, if he holds that office and the reason of preserving peace allows it, he also publicly reproves the sinners so that others may fear, and removes them either from some degree of honor or from the communion of the sacraments themselves, and does all this with a love of correcting, not with a hatred of persecuting, he fulfills the fullest duty not only of the most chaste innocence, but also of the most diligent severity. But where other things are hindered, those two, always retained, keep one uncorrupted and chaste, so that he neither does evil nor approves of the deed.
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Sed tamen uideamus unde iste doceat quod affirmat. cum scriptum sit, inquit: modicum fermenti totam massam corrumpit. dixit hoc Parmenianus atque abiit nec ei nunc ostendi potest in parte Donati non solum modicum fermenti, sed multum ueneni ex illis ouis aspidum ruptis et praeualidis iam serpentibus pro Primiano damnatis et ad Primianum iterum reuocatis. sed correcti sunt, inquit. deo gratias. si uerum est, non inuideo. atque utinam perfecte id fiat. si enim a Maximianistis redire ad partem Donati nonnullus correctionis est gradus, quanto uerior perfectiorque correctio est ab ipsa parte Donati ad unitatem catholicam remeare! et Tychonius quidem multa dixit, (per) quae illis temporibus et, sicut interior nouerat, quam non modico sed multo fermento suo totam suam massam nollent fateri corruptam, qui totum orbem terrarum peccatis Afrorum fermentatum esse criminarentur. sed ego istos miror, si adhuc eis placet haec apostolica uerba sic intellegere, ita eos Optatum Gildonianum uelle defendere, ut nec modicum fermenti eum fuisse concedant. quodsi uel hoc concedunt, quam magnam putant esse massam suam, ut non potuerit tota corrumpi? aut si in eis solis eorrupta est quibus placebat Optatus, experti discant intellegere quod legunt, quia in his est massa tota, ad quos pertinet quod dicitur totum siue bonum siue malum.
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But let us see from where this man derives what he asserts. "For it is written," he says, "a little leaven corrupts the whole lump." Parmenianus said this and went away, and it cannot now be shown to him that in the Donatist party there is not only a little leaven, but much poison from those broken eggs of asps and the already very strong serpents condemned under Primianus and recalled again to Primianus. "But they were corrected," he says. Thanks be to God. If it is true, I do not begrudge it. And would that it were perfectly accomplished. For if returning from the Maximianists to the Donatist party is some degree of correction, how much truer and more perfect a correction is it to return from the Donatist party itself to Catholic unity! And Tyconius indeed said many things by which, in those times and as he knew inwardly, they would not admit that their whole lump was corrupted by their own not small but great leaven—those who accused the whole world of being leavened by the sins of the Africans. But I wonder at these men, if they still like to understand these apostolic words in such a way that they wish to defend Optatus Gildonianus so as not even to concede that he was a little leaven. But if they concede even this, how great do they think their lump is, that it could not be wholly corrupted? Or if it is corrupted only in those to whom Optatus was pleasing, let them learn by experience to understand what they read, because the whole lump is in those to whom what is said pertains entirely, whether good or evil.
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ad eos autem pertinet qui consentiunt; ad eos autem qui non consentiunt omnino non pertinet, et ideo disciplina ecclesiastica corrigendum est, ne ad multos persuadendo perueniat. quod ubi fieri permittit ratio pacis et non fit, ipsa neglegentia culpam trahit et in periculo consentiendi est per desidiam corrigendi. Ex qua regula et illud intellegendum quod consequenter opponit dicens esse scriptum: sit uobis legitimum aeternum in progenies uestras diuidere in medio sanctorum et inreligiosorum et in medio mundorum et immundorum. tanto enim quisque melius hoc facit, quanto magis in ecclesia proficit. cum enim creuisset herba et fructum fecisset, tunc apparuerunt zizania. et quamuis inter utrumque iam serui patris familias cognitione diuiderent atque distinguerent, iubentur ea tamen sinere crescere et hoc usque ad messem. sed haec hactenus. ea enim quae restant aliquanto diligentius ab alio exordio consideranda atque tractanda sunt.
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But it pertains to those who consent; to those who do not consent, it does not pertain at all, and therefore ecclesiastical discipline must correct it, lest it reach many by persuasion. Where the reason of peace permits this to be done and it is not done, that very negligence incurs guilt and is in danger of consenting through the laziness of correcting. From this rule, that too is to be understood which he subsequently objects, saying it is written: "Let there be for you a legitimate eternal division among your generations between the holy and the irreligious, and between the clean and the unclean." For the better one does this, the more he advances in the Church. For when the herb had grown and borne fruit, then the tares appeared. And although the servants of the householder already divided and distinguished between the two by their knowledge, they are nevertheless ordered to let them grow, and this until the harvest. But enough of this. For what remains is to be considered and treated somewhat more diligently from another beginning.
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LIBER TERTIUS. Cum omnis pia ratio et modus ecclesiasticae disciplinae unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis maxime debeat intueri, quod apostolus sufferendo inuicem praecepit custodiri et quo non custodito medicina uindictae non tantum superflua, sed etiam perniciosa et propterea iam nec medicina esse conuincitur, illi filii mali, qui non odio iniquitatum alienarum, sed studio contentionum suarum infirmas plebes iactantia sui nominis inretitas uel totas trahere uel certe diuidere affectant, superbia tumidi, peruicacia uaesani, calumniis insidiosi, seditionibus turbulenti, ne luce ueritatis carere ostendantur, umbram rigidae seueritatis obtendunt et, quae scripturis sanctis salua dilectionis sinceritate et custodita pacis unitate ad corrigenda fraterna uitia mordaciore curatione fieri praecepta sunt, ad sacrilegium schismatis et ad occasionem praecisionis usurpant dicentes: ecce ait apostolus: auferte malum a uobis ipsis. quod malum utique si integris, inquiunt, non obesset, nec iuberetur auferri.
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BOOK THREE. Since every pious rationale and method of ecclesiastical discipline ought especially to regard the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace—which the apostle commanded to be preserved by mutual forbearance, and without which the medicine of punishment is shown to be not only superfluous but also harmful, and therefore no longer even a medicine—those evil children who, not from hatred of others’ wrongs but from zeal for their own contentions, seek either to drag away entire weak congregations entangled by the boastfulness of their own name, or at least to divide them—puffed up with pride, raving with obstinacy, treacherous with slanders, turbulent with seditions—in order not to be shown to lack the light of truth, they put forward the shadow of harsh severity. And they usurp for the sacrilege of schism and for the occasion of excision those things which were commanded in the holy scriptures to be done with a more caustic remedy for correcting fraternal faults, while preserving the sincerity of love and the unity of peace, saying: “Behold, the apostle says: ‘Remove evil from yourselves.’” And they add: “If that evil, certainly, did not harm the whole, it would not be ordered to be removed.
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