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Contra Partem Donati Post Gesta

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Augustine's 'Contra Partem Donati Post Gesta' is a polemical treatise composed shortly after the Conference of Carthage (411 CE). It blends legal argument from the official conference proceedings (Gesta Collationis) with scriptural exegesis and rhetorical attacks against Donatist positions on baptism and church unity. The work survives in a single early manuscript tradition within Augustine's anti-Donatist corpus, with the CSEL edition (1900) as the standard critical text. It was cited in medieval canon law collections, such as Gratian's Decretum, as an authority on rebaptism and the validity of sacraments conferred by schismatics. The treatise is a partisan document, not a neutral record, and Augustine's selective quotation of Donatist sources may distort their arguments.

This work is a key primary source for understanding the Donatist controversy and the use of imperial authority in ecclesiastical disputes. It illustrates Augustine's rhetorical and legal strategies in defending Catholic unity and the validity of sacraments from schismatic ministers. Its citation in Gratian's Decretum shows its lasting influence on medieval canon law regarding rebaptism and schism.

Historical context

The Donatist schism emerged in early 4th-century North Africa following the Diocletianic persecution, when rigorists condemned clergy who had handed over scriptures (traditores) and insisted on the validity of sacraments only from pure ministers. By the early 5th century, the schism had divided North African Christianity. In 411, Emperor Honorius convened a formal conference (collatio) at Carthage, presided over by imperial commissioner Marcellinus, to resolve the dispute. The Catholic party, led by Augustine, was declared victorious. Augustine's 'Contra Partem Donati Post Gesta' was written immediately after the conference to defend the Catholic position and refute Donatist claims of unfair judgment. The work survives in a single manuscript tradition within the corpus of Augustine's anti-Donatist writings, transmitted through medieval monastic libraries and cited in canon law. The CSEL edition (1900) remains the standard critical text, though it lacks a full apparatus of manuscript variants.

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Quid adhuc, Donatistae, seducimini ab episcopis uestris, quorum fallaces tenebrae clara luce discussae sunt, quorum error apparuit, quorum pertinacia superata est? quid adhuc uobis iactant uana mendacia? quid adhuc creditis hominibus uictis? cum uobis dicunt iudicem praemio fuisse corruptum, quid nouum faciunt? quid aliud omnes uicti facere consuerunt, qui ueritati consentire nolunt, nisi ut de iudicis iniquitate mentiantur? quaerite ab eis et ad hoc primum uobis respondeant, si possunt, quare ausi sunt uenire Carthaginem et in unum locum nobiscum conlationis gratia conuenire. iam ante aliquot annos conueneramus eos publice, ut nobis conferentibus ueritas appareret et dissensio quae nos diuidit de medio tolleretur, sed ipsam ueritatem refugientes actis responderunt: in dignum estutin unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum. quare ergo modo nobiscum conuenire uoluerunt? puto quod non facerent, quod eis uidebatur indignum, nisi nos cognoscerent non esse progeniem traditorum. aut certe ipsi nobis respondeant, quare dixerunt: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum et in unum nobiscum postea conuenerunt. quae res eos coegit facere quod indignum est? non enim ligati adducti sunt, sed omnino liberi conuenerunt. si dixerint: 'quia iusserat imperator', ergo tunc faciunt quod indignum est, quando iusserit imperator.
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Why, Donatists, are you still being led astray by your bishops, whose deceitful shadows have been dispelled by the clear light, whose error has been revealed, whose stubbornness has been overcome? Why do they still boast empty lies to you? Why do you still believe men who have been defeated? When they tell you that the judge was corrupted by a bribe, what new thing are they doing? What else do all the defeated, who are unwilling to agree with the truth, customarily do except lie about the injustice of the judge? Ask them, and let them first answer you on this point, if they can: why did they dare to come to Carthage and assemble with us in one place for the sake of the conference? Several years ago we had publicly summoned them, so that by our conferring together the truth might appear and the dissension that divides us might be removed from our midst, but, fleeing the truth itself, they replied in the official records: "It is unworthy for the sons of martyrs and the offspring of traitors to meet together." Why, then, did they now wish to meet with us? I think they would not have done what seemed unworthy to them, unless they recognized that we are not the offspring of traitors. Or certainly let them themselves answer us why they said: "It is unworthy for the sons of martyrs and the offspring of traitors to meet together," and afterwards met with us. What forced them to do what is unworthy? For they were not brought in chains, but assembled entirely of their own free will. If they say: "Because the emperor ordered it," then they do what is unworthy only when the emperor orders it.
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quid ergo irascuntur nescio quibus traditoribus ad causam nostram non pertinentibus? codices enim dominicos persecutoribus dare utique indignum est; quod cum fecit traditor, non habet crimen, quia iusserat imperator. hoc dicimus non secundum ueritatem, sed secundum ipsorum peruersitatem. ipsi enim dixerunt — publica gesta proclamant —, apud acta dixerunt. non quilibet ignotus, sed Carthaginiensis episcopus eorum Primianus hoc dixit, Primianus hoc scriptum magistratui Carthaginis dedit et a diacono suo dicendum apud acta mandauit: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies tradi torum. ecce conuenimus in unum: quid ad ista respondent? si dicunt (non est indignum', quare mentiti sunt, quando indignum esse dixerunt? si dicunt (indignum est', quod indignum est quare fecerunt? uno modo se poterunt adserere quod indignum est non fecisse et in illis Primiani uerbis non fuisse mentitos, si dicant: 'indignum est quidem ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum, sed nos ideo uobiscum in unum conuenimus, quia cognouimus uos non esse progeniem traditorum'. quod si ita est, quare nobis iam conuenientes in unum ipsas calumnias obiecerunt, nisi forte ut etiam nos eos cognosceremus non esse filios martyrum? martyres enim testes dicuntur. testes autem Christi ueri testes sunt.
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Why, then, are they angry about some traditores or other who have nothing to do with our case? For handing over the Lord’s codices to the persecutors is certainly unworthy; and when a traditor has done this, he has no crime, because the emperor had ordered it. We say this not according to the truth, but according to their own perversity. For they themselves said—the public records proclaim it—they said it in the official proceedings. It was not just some unknown person, but their own bishop of Carthage, Primianus, who said this; Primianus gave this statement in writing to the magistrate of Carthage and instructed his deacon to say it in the official proceedings: “It is unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of the traditores should come together in one place.” Behold, we have come together in one place: what do they answer to this? If they say, “It is not unworthy,” why did they lie when they said it was unworthy? If they say, “It is unworthy,” why did they do what is unworthy? They will be able to assert in only one way that they have not done what is unworthy and that they were not lying in those words of Primianus: if they say, “It is indeed unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of the traditores should come together in one place, but we have come together with you in one place because we have recognized that you are not the offspring of the traditores.” If that is so, why, when we were already coming together in one place, did they hurl these same slanders at us, unless perhaps so that we too might recognize that they are not the sons of the martyrs? For “martyrs” are called “witnesses.” And the true witnesses of Christ are the true ones.
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isti autem falsi testes inuenti sunt, qui traditionis crimina et aliena aliis obiecerunt et nec ipsa probare potuerunt. Quid adhuc adtenditis humana mendacia et diuina testimonia non adtenditis? quid adhuc uictis hominibus creditis et ueritati, quae numquam est uicta, non creditis? ueritas enim dei, sicut in ipsa etiam conlatione probauimus, perhibuit testimonium ecclesiae suae per multa documenta scripturarum sanctarum, per propheticas et euangelicas litteras; et locus designatus est, unde Christi ecclesia fuerat inceptura, et fines terrae, quo usque fuerat peruentura. per omnes gentes futuram ecclesiam suam dominus dicit incipientem ab Hierusalem. diuina lectio recitatur, quemadmodum coeperit ab Hierusalem, ubi primum congregatis fidelibus missus est de caelo spiritus sanctus. diuinae lectiones recitantur, quemadmodum se ab Hierusalem per uicina et longinqua diffuderit.
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But these men have been found to be false witnesses, who cast charges of betrayal, both their own and others', against other people, and could not even prove them. Why do you still pay attention to human lies and not pay attention to divine testimonies? Why do you still believe defeated men and not believe the truth, which has never been defeated? For the truth of God, as we have also proved in the very conference, bore witness to his Church through many proofs from the holy scriptures, through prophetic and evangelical writings; and a place was designated from which the Church of Christ was to begin, and the ends of the earth, to which it was to reach. The Lord says that his future Church will be among all peoples, beginning from Jerusalem. A divine reading is recited, how it began from Jerusalem, where the Holy Spirit was sent from heaven to the first gathered believers. Divine readings are recited, how it spread from Jerusalem through neighboring and distant lands.
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expressa sunt nomina locorum, manifestata sunt nomina ciuitatum, in quibus ecclesia Christi apostolico labore fundata est, quae loca et ciuitates etiam epistulas ab apostolis accipere meruerunt; quas epistulas et ipsi in uestris congregationibus legunt et tamen non communicant eorum locorum et ciuitatium ecclesiis, quae ipsas epistulas accipere meruerunt, obicientes eis nescio qua crimina Afrorum, quod eorum contagione perierint, cum ipsi dixerint in hac ipsa conlatione, quam modo Carthagini habuimus, quod nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicet. Tunc autem hoc dixerunt, quando eis diximus: 'concilium, quod contra Caecilianum profertis, sic non obest absenti Caeciliano, quemadmodum concilium, quod in causa Maximiani factum est, ubi damnatus est Primianus, non obest absenti Primiano'. protulerunt enim, ubi septuaginta et quod excurrit episcopi absentem damnauerant Caecilianum, cum proferantur plus minus centum episcopi partis ipsorum, qui damnauerant absentem Primianum.
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The names of the places have been set forth, the names of the cities have been revealed, in which the Church of Christ was founded by apostolic labor, which places and cities also merited receiving letters from the apostles; which letters they themselves read in your congregations and yet do not communicate with the churches of those places and cities that merited receiving those same letters, casting against them some charges of crimes of the Africans, claiming that they have perished by their contagion, although they themselves said in this very conference which we have just held at Carthage, that neither does the cause prejudice the cause nor the person prejudice the person. But they said this at the time when we said to them: 'The council which you bring forth against Caecilian does not harm the absent Caecilian, just as the council which was held in the case of Maximianus, where Primianus was condemned, does not harm the absent Primianus.' For they brought forth a council where seventy-some bishops had condemned the absent Caecilian, while there are brought forth more or less a hundred bishops of their own party who had condemned the absent Primianus.
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quia ergo diximus eis sic illud non obesse Caeciliano, quemadmodum hoc non obest Primiano, quoniam contra absentes facta sunt ambo concilia, continuo non inuenientes quod responderent et horribiles angustias passi dixerunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae; quod aduersus omnes humanas calumnias in ore habet catholica ecclesia, nunc autem multo fortius multoque liberius, quando id, quod semper ueritas tenuit, etiam inimicorum confessio confirmauit. quis ergo sine graui tristitia perferat, quis gemitum cohibeat, quis non in lacrimas et in uocem doloris erumpat, qui hoc digne considerauerit? ecce ut ab episcopis partis Donati damnatus Primianus non amittat episcopatum aut ut Primianus damnatus non inquietet partem Donati, nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat; ut autem Caecilianus, quem absentem inimici similiter damnauerunt, non deputetur episcopus et contaminet omnes christianas gentes usque ad terminos terrae, et causae causa et personae persona praeiudicat.
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Since, therefore, we said to them that that does not harm Caecilianus, just as this does not harm Primianus, because both councils were held against absent persons, they immediately, finding nothing to reply and suffering terrible distress, said that neither does a cause prejudice a cause nor a person prejudice a person; which the Catholic Church has always on its lips against all human calumnies, but now much more strongly and much more freely, when what truth has always held has also been confirmed by the confession of enemies. Who, therefore, can bear this without grave sorrow, who can restrain a groan, who can refrain from bursting into tears and a cry of grief, who has duly considered this? Behold, although Primianus, condemned by the bishops of the Donatist party, does not lose his episcopate, or although Primianus, condemned, does not disturb the Donatist party, neither does a cause prejudice a cause nor a person prejudice a person; yet Caecilianus, whom enemies similarly condemned in his absence, is not considered a bishop and contaminates all Christian peoples to the ends of the earth, and a cause does prejudice a cause and a person does prejudice a person.
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Si uoce ipsius unitatis clament ecclesiae Ponti, Bithyniae, Asiae, Cappadociae ceterarumque orientalium regionum, ad quas beatus Petrus apostolus scribit: (o pars Donati, non nouimus quid dicatis. quare nobis non communicatis? si Caecilianus mali aliquid fecit, quod nobis non probatum est nec demonstratum, tamen si mali aliquid fecit, quare nobis praeiudicat? si nos audire non uultis, uos ipsos audite dicentes: nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat. an usque adeo potest uestra peruersitas, ut haec uerba ualeant, ne nobis praeiudicet Primianus, et haec uerba non ualeant. ut nobis praeiudicet Caecilianus?' clament etiam similiter septem orientales ecclesiae, ad quas scribit apostolus Iohannes. Ephesi, Zmyrnae, Thyatirae, Sardis, Philadelphiae, Laudociae, Pergami, et dicant: (quid uobis fecimus, fratres, qui potius Donati quam nostrae communionis esse uoluistis? si Caecilianus peccauit, quamuis et ipsius crimen non potuistis ostendere, quia, sicut Primianus uester, sic absens etiam iste damnatus est, uerumtamen qualiscumque ille fuerit, nos nobis quid fecimus? quare christiani cum christianis pacem habere non uultis, quare in nobis communia sacramenta rescinditis? quid nobis fecimus? quare Primiani causa non praeiudicat parti Donati, nisi quia uerum est quod dixistis: nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat?
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If the churches of Pontus, Bithynia, Asia, Cappadocia, and the other eastern regions, to which the blessed apostle Peter writes, cry out with the voice of unity itself: "O party of Donatus, we do not know what you are saying. Why do you not communicate with us? If Caecilianus did something wrong, which has not been proven or demonstrated to us, yet even if he did something wrong, why does he prejudice us? If you do not wish to hear us, hear yourselves saying: neither the cause of a cause nor the person of a person prejudices. Or can your perversity go so far that these words are valid so that Primianus does not prejudice you, and these words are not valid so that Caecilianus prejudices us?" Let also the seven eastern churches, to which the apostle John writes—Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, Pergamum—cry out similarly and say: "What have we done to you, brothers, who have chosen to be of the communion of Donatus rather than of ours? If Caecilianus sinned, although you could not even prove his crime, because, just as your Primianus, so also that man was condemned in absence, yet whatever he was like, what have we done to you? Why do you not wish to have peace with Christians who are Christians? Why do you break the common sacraments in us? What have we done to you? Why does the case of Primianus not prejudice the party of Donatus, except because what you said is true: neither the cause of a cause nor the person of a person prejudices?
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quare ergo causa Caeciliani praeiudicat hereditati Christi, in qua sumus apostolorum labore plantati? ad unam nostrum scribit apostolus Iohannes, quod habeat pauca nomina in Sardis eorum, qui non inquinauerunt uestimenta sua; nec tamen ab eis, qui in ipsa ecclesia inmundi fuerunt, illorum paucorum uestimenta polluta sunt, quoniam uerum est quod dixistis, nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae. quomodo ergo potest causa et persona Caeciliani praeiudicare nobis? aut si non praeiudicat, quare separamini a nobis?' dicant etiam ecclesiae, ad quas Paulus apostolus scribit, Romanorum, Corinthiorum, Philippensium, Colossensium, Thessalonicensium — nam de Galatia et Epheso supra iam dictum est —, dicant ergo et istae: (litteras ad nos datas, fratres, cotidie legitis, qui uultis adhuc esse de parte Donati. in ipsis epistulis per nomen pacis nos apostolus salutauit dicens: gratia uobis et pax a deo patre et domino Iesu Christo. quare pacem in nostris epistulis legendo didicistis et eam nobiscum tenere noluistis? tam in longinquis terris trans mare positis Afrum nobis obicitis Caecilianum.
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Why, then, does the case of Caecilian prejudice the inheritance of Christ, in which we have been planted by the labor of the apostles? The apostle John writes to one of our churches that it has a few names in Sardis of those who have not defiled their garments; yet the garments of those few were not polluted by those who were unclean in that same church, because what you have said is true: neither one case prejudices another case, nor one person prejudices another person. How, then, can the case and person of Caecilian prejudice us? Or if it does not prejudice, why do you separate yourselves from us? Let the churches to which the apostle Paul writes also speak—those of the Romans, Corinthians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians (for Galatia and Ephesus have already been mentioned above). Let these also say: "You read the letters sent to us, brothers, every day, you who still wish to be of the Donatist party. In those same epistles, the apostle greeted us with the name of peace, saying: 'Grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.' Why have you learned peace by reading our epistles and yet refused to keep it with us? Do you, placed in such distant lands across the sea, throw the African Caecilian in our faces?
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certe uerum est quod dixistis: nec causae causa praeiudicat nec persona personae: quae est ista priuata et peculiaris sanctificatio, qua uobis licet, ut Afrae parti Donati causa non praeiudicet Afri Primiani nec personae Primiani Carthaginiensis praeiudicet persona Mustitani Feliciani, et ad nos Africana praeiudicia tam longe mittantur aut nobis praeiudicet causa Caeciliani?' Dicat etiam catholica ecclesia in ipsa Africa constituta et per pacem atque unitatem Christi illis omnibus communione copulata, dicat etiam ipsa: nec mihi Caeciliani causa praeiudicat, contra quem absentem septuaginta episcoporum est prolata sententia, quia non praeiudicat ecclesiae, quae toto orbe diffunditur, in cuius communione permaneo, aut certe praeiudicet parti Donati causa Primiani, quem sui collegae similiter absentem numerosiore concilio damnauerunt. si autem ideo non praeiudicat, quia nec causa causae nec persona personae, multo magis seruanda est ista iustitia erga unitatem catholicam Christi, si eam seruari erga se postulat pars Donati'. hoc ecclesia catholica in Africa constituta proclamat: 'o pars Donati, tu ista uerba dixisti, tu ista uerba tua recognouisti, tu istis uerbis etiam suscripsisti: nec causa causae nec persona personae praeiudicat. ego inter spiritus olim requiescentium recito Caecilianum, tu adhuc uides et tecum habes in corpore Felicianum, a quo Primianus damnatus est.
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Certainly what you said is true: neither does the cause prejudice the cause, nor the person the person. What is this private and peculiar sanctification by which it is permitted to you that the cause of the African party of Donatus does not prejudice the cause of the African Primian, nor does the person of Primian of Carthage prejudice the person of Felician of Musti, and yet African prejudices are sent so far against us, or does the cause of Caecilian prejudice us? Let the Catholic Church, established in Africa itself and joined to all those by the peace and unity of Christ through communion, also say: neither does the cause of Caecilian prejudice me, against whom, absent, a sentence was pronounced by seventy bishops, because it does not prejudice the Church, which is spread throughout the whole world, in whose communion I remain; or certainly let the cause of Primian prejudice the party of Donatus, whom his colleagues, likewise absent, condemned in a more numerous council. But if it does not prejudice for this reason, because neither cause prejudices cause nor person person, this justice must be observed all the more toward the Catholic unity of Christ, if the party of Donatus demands that it be observed toward itself. The Catholic Church established in Africa proclaims this: 'O party of Donatus, you spoke these words, you recognized these words of yours, you even subscribed to these words: neither cause prejudices cause nor person person. I, among spirits long at rest, recite Caecilian; you still see and have with you in the flesh Felician, by whom Primian was condemned.
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in ipsa Primiani causa Felicianum damnasti et eum postea, sicut erat, episcopum Primiano tibique sociasti. si tantum ualet, quod nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae, ut tibi non praeiudicet hodie tecum uiuentis communio Feliciani, mihi quomodo praeiudicat olim defuncti memoria Caeciliani?' Quid ad ista respondent, qui uobis adhuc iactant inania et suae saluti, si non se correxerint, nocitura mendacia? quid adhuc dicunt nos iudicem corrupisse, ut pro nobis sententia proferretur? numquid et tanti apud uos meriti episcopum praeclarissimum defensorem corrupimus, ut pro nobis talia loqueretur? hoc enim agebamus omnibus uiribus, hoc instabamus, ut Caeciliani causa atque persona, qualiscumque ille fuerit, ad causam et personam ecclesiae, quam deus suis sanctis testimoniis roborauit, non pertinere ostenderetur.
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In the case of Primian himself you condemned Felicianus and afterwards, just as he was, you united him as bishop with Primian and with yourselves. If the principle that neither does the cause prejudice the cause nor the person the person is so powerful that the communion of the living Felicianus with you does not prejudice you today, how does the memory of the long-dead Caecilian prejudice me?' What do those who still boast to you of empty and, unless they correct themselves, of lies harmful to their own salvation reply to these things? What do they still say, that we corrupted the judge so that a verdict would be given in our favor? Did we also corrupt a bishop of such great merit and a most illustrious defender in your eyes, so that he would speak such things in our favor? For this we were striving with all our might, this we were insisting upon: that the cause and person of Caecilian, whatever he might have been, be shown not to pertain to the cause and person of the Church, which God has strengthened with his holy testimonies.
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hoc agebamus etiam similitudinibus euangelicis, ut causa et persona zizaniorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae tritici, quamuis in eodem agro eadem pluuia simul crescerent usque ad messem, quando separari oporteret; ut causa et persona paleae non praeiudicaret (causae et) personae frumenti, quamuis in eadem area simul triturarentur, donec nouissima uentilatione separarentur; ut causa et persona haedorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae ouium, quamuis communibus pascuis utraque pecora permixta seruentur, donec a pastore summo in iudicio nouissimo alii ad sinistram, alii ad dexteram segregentur; ut causa et persona piscium malorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae piscium bonorum, quamuis intra eadem retia tenerentur in extremo litore separandi, hoc est in fine maris, quod significat finem saeculi.
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We were also making this point with evangelical analogies: that the case and person of the tares should not prejudice the case and person of the wheat, even though in the same field, watered by the same rain, they grow together until the harvest, when they must be separated; that the case and person of the chaff should not prejudice the case and person of the grain, even though on the same threshing-floor they are threshed together, until they are separated by the final winnowing; that the case and person of the goats should not prejudice the case and person of the sheep, even though both flocks are kept mingled in common pastures, until by the supreme Shepherd at the final judgment some are separated to the left, others to the right; that the case and person of the bad fish should not prejudice the case and person of the good fish, even though they are held within the same nets, to be separated on the farthest shore, that is, at the end of the sea, which signifies the end of the world.
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quibus parabolis et figuris ecclesia praenuntiata est usque ad finem saeculi bonos et malos simul habitura, ita ut mali bonis obesse non possint, cum uel ignorantur uel pro pace et tranquillitate ecclesiae tolerantur, si eos prodi aut accusari non oportuerit aut aliis bonis non potuerint demonstrari, ita sane, ut nec emendationis uigilantia quiescat corripiendo degradando excommunicando ceterisque cohercitionibus licitis atque concessis, quae salua unitatis pace in ecclesia cotidie fiunt secundum praeceptum apostolicum caritate seruata, qui dixit: si quis autem non obaudit uerbo nostro per epistulam, hunc notate, et nolite commisceri cum eo, ut erubescat; et non ut inimicum existimetis, sed corripite ut fratrem. sic enim et disciplina seruat patientiam et patientia temperat disciplinam et utrumque refertur ad caritatem, ne forte aut indisciplinata patientia foueat iniquitatem aut inpatiens disciplina dissipet unitatem.
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By which parables and figures the church was foretold to have, until the end of the age, both good and evil together, in such a way that the evil cannot harm the good, when they are either unknown or tolerated for the sake of peace and tranquility of the church, if it has not been opportune to expose or accuse them, or they could not be shown to other good persons; yet in such a way that the vigilance of correction does not rest, by rebuking, degrading, excommunicating, and by other lawful and permitted coercions, which, with the peace of unity preserved, are done daily in the church according to the apostolic precept, with charity maintained, who said: “But if anyone does not obey our word through the letter, mark this one, and do not associate with him, that he may be ashamed; and do not consider him an enemy, but correct him as a brother.” For thus discipline preserves patience, and patience tempers discipline, and both are referred to charity, lest either undisciplined patience foster iniquity or impatient discipline destroy unity.
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Ista cum fiunt a bonis, non inquinantur a malis, quia nec eorum peccatis consentiendo communicant et ab eis etsi non corporaliter segregatione, tamen spiritali uitae dissimilitudine et morum diuersitate discedunt, eo modo oboedientes praecepto dominico quo ait: discedite inde, et inmundum ne tetigeritis. nam qui hoc non spiritaliter obseruandum putant, adrogantia uanitatis in illud incidunt, quod per eundem prophetam dominus detestatur dicens: qui dicunt (noli me tangere, quoniam mundus sum', hic fumus indignationis meae. hoc episcopi uestri faciendum putauerunt, quando utrisque nostrum a iudice oblato consessu nobiscum sedere noluerunt, dicentes scriptum sibi esse ne cum talibus sedeant, illud utique non spiritaliter, sed carnaliter intellegentes, quod in psalmo positum est: et cum impiis non sedebo, et tamen fecerunt, quod in eodem ipso loco psalmi pariter prohibetur. nam ibi dicit propheta: et cum iniqua gerentibus non introibo. si ergo, quia nos iniquos uel nouerant uel putabant, ideo nobiscum sedere noluerunt, quare, quod similiter prohibetur, nobiscum introierunt ex parte sancti et ex parte polluti, nisi quia scripturas sanctas non intellegendo et carnaliter sapiendo etiam ipsam unitatem dissipauerunt?
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When these things are done by the good, they are not polluted by the evil, because they neither consent to their sins and thus communicate with them, nor do they separate from them by physical segregation, but rather by spiritual dissimilarity of life and diversity of morals, in that way obeying the Lord's command where he says: "Depart from there, and do not touch the unclean." For those who think this is not to be observed spiritually fall, through the arrogance of vanity, into that which the Lord detests, saying through the same prophet: "Those who say, 'Do not touch me, for I am pure'—this is the smoke of my indignation." Your bishops thought this was to be done when, after the judge offered a joint session to both of us, they refused to sit with us, saying that it was written for them not to sit with such persons, understanding that not spiritually but carnally, which is set in the psalm: "And I will not sit with the impious," and yet they did what is likewise forbidden in that same place of the psalm. For there the prophet says: "And I will not enter with those who do iniquity." Therefore, if because they either knew or thought us to be iniquitous they refused to sit with us, why did they enter with us—partly holy and partly polluted—which is similarly forbidden, except that by not understanding the holy scriptures and by thinking carnally they also shattered unity itself?
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Non itaque polluunt mali bonos in eodem agro, in eadem area, in eisdem pascuis, in eisdem retibus constituti, quia non eis communicant boni, sed altari et sacramentis dei. communicant autem malis qui consentiunt factis malorum; scriptum est enim: non solum qui faciunt ea, uerum etiam qui consentiunt facientibus. Cum uero mali pacis conseruandae necessitate tolerantur, non iniquitatis communicandae societate appetuntur, ut cum zizaniis triticum suauem pluuiam pariter bibat, seruet tamen ubertatem suam nec conuertatur in zizaniorum sterilitatem, sed utrumque simul usque ad messem crescat, ne forte, cum colliguntur zizania, eradicetur simul et triticum, nullam cum bonis habent mali participationem salutis uel perditionis — quae enim participatio iustitiae cum iniquitate?-, nullam cum bonis habent mali societatem regni aut ignis aeterni — quae enim societas luci ad tenebras? —, non habent mali cum bonis consonantiam uitae ac uoluntatis — quae enim consonantia Christi adBeliar?—,nonhabent boni cum malis partem nec in poena criminis nec in praemio pietatis-quae enim pars fideli cum infideli?
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Therefore, the evil do not pollute the good when they are placed in the same field, on the same threshing-floor, in the same pastures, in the same nets, because the good do not communicate with them, but with the altar and the sacraments of God. However, those who consent to the deeds of the evil communicate with the evil; for it is written: not only those who do these things, but also those who consent to those who do them. But when the evil are tolerated out of necessity for preserving peace, they are not sought after for the fellowship of sharing in iniquity, just as wheat together with tares drinks the gentle rain equally, yet preserves its own fruitfulness and is not converted into the barrenness of the tares, but both grow together until the harvest, lest, when the tares are gathered, the wheat be uprooted at the same time. The evil have no participation with the good in salvation or perdition — for what participation has justice with iniquity? —, the evil have no fellowship with the good in the kingdom or in eternal fire — for what fellowship has light with darkness? —, the evil have no harmony of life and will with the good — for what harmony has Christ with Beliar? —, the good have no part with the evil either in the punishment for crime or in the reward of piety — for what part has the faithful with the unfaithful?
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— et cum intra eadem retia, donec ad litus perueniant, pariter diuina sacramenta percipiunt, illi sociantur, illi dissociantur, isti consonant, illi dissonant, isti habent partem cum misericordia, illi cum iudicio, quoniam misericordiam (et iudicium) cantat ecclesia domino et qui manducat indigne iudicium non alteri, sed sibi manducat. de ipso quippe pane et de ipsa dominica manu et ludas partem et Petrus accepit; et tamen quae societas, quae consonantia, quae pars Petro cum Iuda, quoniam nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae? Siue ergo exeant, de quibus scriptum est: ex nobis exierunt, sed non erant ex nobis, siue intus esse uideantur, de quibus beatus Cyprianus apertissime loquitur dicens: nam etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra. ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus — quibus uerbis episcopi uestri nihil omnino ausi sunt respondere, quamuis diu frustra contenderint, quod non in ecclesia praedicta sint figurata zizania, quia dixit dominus: ager est hic mundus nec dixit (ager est ecclesia'. nos autem mundum pro ecclesiae significatione positum dicebamus, sicut etiam Cyprianus intellexit, quia per totum mundum futura praefigurabatur ecclesia.
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—and while they are within the same nets until they reach the shore, they equally receive the divine sacraments; these are united, those are separated; these are in harmony, those are discordant; these have a part with mercy, those with judgment, because the church sings mercy and judgment to the Lord, and whoever eats unworthily eats judgment not for another, but for himself. For from that same bread and from that same Lord’s hand both Judas and Peter received a part; and yet what fellowship, what harmony, what part does Peter have with Judas, since neither does the cause prejudice the cause, nor the person the person? Therefore, whether those of whom it is written, “They went out from us, but they were not of us,” depart, or whether they appear to be within, concerning whom the blessed Cyprian speaks most openly, saying: “For even if tares are seen to be in the church, nevertheless our faith or our love ought not to be hindered, so that because we perceive tares to be in the church, we ourselves should withdraw from the church”—to which words your bishops dared to respond with nothing at all, although they long contended in vain that the tares were not figuratively predicted to be in the church, because the Lord said, “The field is this world,” and did not say, “The field is the church.” But we were saying that “world” was placed for the signification of the church, just as Cyprian also understood, because the church was prefigured throughout the whole world.
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unde illi dicebant mundum semper in malam significationem positum, et testimonia de scripturis dabant, quia scriptum est: si quis dilexerit mundum, non est caritas patris in illo et cetera talia; nos uero non solum in malam, sed etiam in bonam significationem mundum in scripturis positum respondebamus et commemorabamus inter alia etiam illud quod scriptum est: deus erat in Christo mundum reconcilians sibi, qui utique non sibi reconciliat nisi ecclesiam —, siue ergo exeant mali siue intus uel ignorentur uel uideantur, hoc agit misericordia et iustitia dei, ut sibi ad mala non consentientibus bonis mali non obsint, sed utrique propriam sarcinam portent, et nec filius accipiat peccata patris, nisi eum fuerit in malis imitatus, sed anima quae peccauerit ipsa moriatur. Cum ergo quisque malis consentit ad malum. iam unam causam cum eis habet et totius societatis malorum fit una persona, ac per hoc, cum simul pereunt simulque damnantur, causa sua et persona sua cuique praeiudicat, non aliena; cum uero boni et mali idem uerbum dei simul audiunt et simul dei sacramenta percipiunt et tamen dissimiles habent actuum suorum causas et dissimiles gerunt uoluntatis diuersitate personas, eundem cibum sanctum aliis manducantibus digne aliis indigne, nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae.
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Hence they used to say that "world" is always placed in a bad sense, and they gave testimonies from the scriptures, because it is written: "If anyone has loved the world, the love of the Father is not in him," and other such things; but we replied that "world" is placed in the scriptures not only in a bad sense but also in a good sense, and we recalled among other things also that which is written: "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself," who certainly does not reconcile to himself anything but the Church. Therefore, whether the evil depart or remain within, either unknown or seen, this is what the mercy and justice of God accomplish, that the good, not consenting to evils, are not harmed by the evil, but each carries his own burden, and the son does not receive the sins of the father unless he has imitated him in evil, but the soul that has sinned itself dies. When, therefore, anyone consents to the evil for evil, he already has one cause with them and becomes one person of the whole society of the evil, and by this, when they perish together and are condemned together, his own cause and his own person prejudice him, not another's; but when the good and the evil hear the same word of God together and receive the same sacraments of God together, and yet have dissimilar causes of their acts and bear dissimilar persons by the diversity of their will, the same holy food being eaten worthily by some and unworthily by others, neither does cause prejudice cause nor person prejudice person.
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Ac per hoc, quaecumque testimonia diuinarum scripturarum episcopi uestri commemorare potuerunt, quibus ab omni malorum hominum permixtione pura praenuntiabatur ecclesia, non qualis nunc est illis testimoniis praenuntiabatur, sed qualis post istam mortalitatem in uita aeterna futura est; et quaecumque testimonia scripturarum posuerunt de filiis, quos merito parentum, (non) imitando malitiam, unam cum eis causam habere uoluerunt, [quod] non intellegentes diuina testimonia secum pugnare cogebant nec utrasque uoces dei pro diuersitate temporum, causarum personarumque distinguentes in concordiam redigebant, sed sicut contra nos ipsi, ita etiam uolebant inter se ipsa diuina documenta pugnare. nec mirum si pacem scripturae dei non intellegebant, qui pacem cum eius ecclesia non habebant. Nos autem utraque accipientes testimonia demonstrabamus utrorumque concordiam. nam et illud accipiebamus, quod in suis litteris commemorauerunt, ecclesiae dictum esse: nec adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus et illud, quod scriptum est: sinite utraque crescere usque ad messem, sed hoc esse in agro, illud futurum in horreo.
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Therefore, whatever testimonies from the divine Scriptures your bishops were able to recall, by which the Church was foretold to be pure from any admixture of evil men, were not foretelling the Church as it now is, but as it will be after this mortal life in eternal life; and whatever testimonies from the Scriptures they set forth concerning sons who, by the merit of their parents, (not) by imitating their wickedness, they wished to have a common cause with them, [they] compelled the divine testimonies to fight among themselves, not understanding them, and they did not reduce the different voices of God, according to the diversity of times, causes, and persons, into harmony, but just as they themselves were against us, so they also wished the divine documents themselves to fight among themselves. Nor is it surprising if they did not understand the peace of the Scripture of God, who did not have peace with His Church. We, however, accepting both testimonies, demonstrated the harmony of both. For we also accepted that which they recalled in their letters, that it was said to the Church: "And the uncircumcised and unclean shall no longer pass through you," and that which is written: "Let both grow together until the harvest," but this is in the field, that will be in the granary.
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denique et ipsi, qui diu contenderunt dicentes zizania, quae cum tritico simul crescere usque ad messem permissa sunt, non in ecclesia, sed in mundo esse contra intellectum martyris Cypriani, qui dixit: etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania: non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus, et nolentes consentire mundi nomine ecclesiam posse significari contra uerba apostoli, qui dixit: deus erat in Christo mundum reconcilians sibi et contra ipsius uerba domini, qui dixit: non uenit filius hominis ut iudicet mundum, sed ut saluetur mundus per ipsum — neque enim reconciliari deo et saluari per ipsum mundus potest. nisi mundi nomine intellegatur ecclesia, quae sola per eum deo reconciliata saluatiir —, tamen in illa similitudine, quam ex euangelio commemorauimus, quod et boni et mali pisces, quousque in litore, hoc est in fine saeculi, separentur, intra eadem permixti retia continentur, uicti euidentia ueritatis malos in ecclesia usque in finem saeculi permixtos esse. confessi sunt, sed eos occultos esse dixerunt, quoniam sic a sacerdotibus ignorantur, quemadmodum pisces intra retia, cum adhuc in mari sunt, a piscatoribus [intra retia] non uidentur.
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Finally, even those who long contended, saying that the tares which are allowed to grow together with the wheat until the harvest are not in the Church but in the world—contrary to the understanding of the martyr Cyprian, who said: "Even if tares appear to be in the Church, yet our faith or charity ought not to be hindered, so that because we see tares in the Church, we ourselves should withdraw from the Church"—and who were unwilling to consent that the Church could be signified by the name "world," contrary to the words of the Apostle, who said: "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself," and contrary to the very words of the Lord, who said: "The Son of Man did not come to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him"—for the world cannot be reconciled to God and saved through Him unless by the name "world" the Church is understood, which alone is reconciled to God and saved through Him—nevertheless, in that similitude which we recalled from the Gospel, that both good and bad fish, until they are separated on the shore, that is, at the end of the world, are contained mixed together within the same nets, overcome by the evidence of the truth, they confessed that evil men are mixed in the Church until the end of the world, but they said that these are hidden, because they are unknown to the priests, just as fish within the nets, while they are still in the sea, are not seen by the fishermen.
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quomodo ergo testimonium propheticum, quod in sua responsione posuerunt, quo ecclesiae dictum est: non adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus, ad hoc tempus pertinere intellegitur, quando ecclesia retibus comparata est, quibus in mari adhuc positis pisces malos bonis permixtos uel occultos esse confessi sunt? unde manifestum est non nisi in futuro saeculo post iudicium nullum incircumcisum et inmundum per ecclesiam transiturum. o uiolentia ueritatis. quae suos non in carne, sed in corde torquet inimicos, ut eam confiteantur inuiti! Ecce manifestatum est quod dicebatur a nobis, distinguenda esse tempora ecclesiae: non eam nunc esse talem, qualis post resurrectionem futura est; nunc malos habere permixtos, tunc omnino non habituram; ad illam eius puritatem. non ad huius temporis permixtionem illa diuina testimonia pertinere, quibus eam deus praedixit ab omni malorum permixtione penitus alienam. ecce etiam ipsi ueritate euangelica non aliud coacti sunt confiteri, qui malos occultos nunc ei permixtos esse dixerunt. ecce nunc transit per illam licet occultus inmundus. non est ergo tempus, quod praedictum est dicente propheta: non adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus.nunc ergo transeunt uel occulti. nam et hoc ipsum, quod ait (non adiciet ultra', ostendit eos prius solere transire, sed ultra non transituros.
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How then is the prophetic testimony, which they placed in their reply, where it was said to the Church: "The uncircumcised and unclean shall no longer pass through you," understood to pertain to this time, when the Church was compared to nets, which, still placed in the sea, they confessed have bad fish mixed with good, or hidden? Hence it is clear that only in the future age, after judgment, will no uncircumcised and unclean one pass through the Church. O the violence of truth! It twists its enemies not in the flesh, but in the heart, so that they confess it unwillingly! Behold, it has been made clear what was being said by us: that the times of the Church must be distinguished—that it is not now such as it will be after the resurrection; that now it has the wicked mixed in, then it will have them not at all; that those divine testimonies, by which God foretold the Church would be utterly free from any mixture of the wicked, pertain to that purity of it, not to the mixture of this time. Behold, even they themselves, compelled by evangelical truth, have confessed nothing else, who said that the wicked, though hidden, are now mixed in with it. Behold, now the unclean one passes through it, albeit hidden. Therefore, this is not the time that was foretold when the prophet said: "The uncircumcised and unclean shall no longer pass through you." For now they pass through, even if hidden. For this very statement, that it says "shall no longer," shows that they were previously accustomed to pass through, but will pass through no longer.
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et a nobis inuidiose requirebant, quomodo potuerit in ecclesia Christi diabolus seminare zizania, cum ipsi faterentur in ecclesia malos saltem occultos esse permixtos nec uellent adtendere a diabolo utique seminatos. Hoc ipsum etiam, quod sibi acutum inuenisse uidebantur, contra se potius proferebant. si enim dominus propterea retibus bonos et malos pisces pariter congregantibus ecclesiam conparauit, quia malos in ecclesia non manifestos, sed latentes intellegi uoluit, quos ita nesciunt sacerdotes, quemadmodum sub fluctibus quid ceperint retia nesciunt piscatores, propterea ergo et areae conparata est, ut etiam manifesti mali bonis in ea permixti praenuntiarentur futuri. neque enim palea, quae in area est permixta frumentis, etiam ipsa sub fluctibus latet, quae sic omnium oculis est conspicua, ut potius occulta sint in ea frumenta, cum sit ipsa manifesta. de hac autem areae similitudine, quia et ipsam inter ceteras ex euangelio posueramus, nihil in litteris suis contra nos scribere potuerunt nisi Hieremian prophetam dixisse: quid paleis ad triticum? quod ideo dixit, quia similia non sunt, non quia permixta esse non possunt, quia in horreo non simul erunt, non quia in area pariter non triturantur.
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And they demanded of us reproachfully, how the devil could have sown tares in the Church of Christ, when they themselves admitted that at least hidden evil men were mingled in the Church, and they were unwilling to consider that they were sown by the devil, of course. This very point, which they thought they had discovered as something acute, they were rather bringing forward against themselves. For if the Lord compared the Church to nets that gather good and bad fish alike, because he wished evil men in the Church to be understood not as manifest, but as hidden, whom priests do not know, just as fishermen do not know what the nets have caught beneath the waves, then for that reason the Church was also compared to a threshing-floor, so that even manifest evil men mingled with the good in it would be foretold as future. For the chaff, which is mingled with the grain on the threshing-floor, does not itself lie hidden beneath the waves, but is so conspicuous to everyone's eyes that rather the grain in it is hidden, while the chaff itself is manifest. But concerning this comparison of the threshing-floor, which we had also placed among others from the Gospel, they were able to write nothing against us in their letters except that the prophet Jeremiah said: "What has chaff to do with wheat?" which he said because they are not alike, not because they cannot be mingled, because they will not be together in the granary, not because they are not threshed together on the threshing-floor.
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quamquam Hieremias, cum hoc diceret, non agebat de populo dei, sed de somniis hominum et uisionibus prophetarum, quia haec duo nulla similitudine conparanda sunt, sicut plenitudini tritici inanitas paleae non potest conparari.- Temptauerunt sane episcopi uestri negare scriptum in euangelio, quod areae sit ecclesia conparata, sed mox euangelicorum uerborum commemoratione conuicti ad id se conuerterunt, ut etiam ibi dicerent occultos malos significatos, non manifestos, de quibus scriptum est: ueniet ferens uentilabrum in manu sua et mundabit aream suam, frumenta recondet in horreo, paleas autem conburet igni inextinguibili. uos itaque iudicate, aperite oculos, aures intendite ueritati. si propterea, sicut ipsi dixerunt, dominus ecclesiam retibus conparauit, quia non manifestos, sed latentes in ea malos intellegi uoluit, quos ita non uident sacerdotes, quemadmodum pisces intra retia sub fluctibus non uident piscatores, numquid et area sub aqua uel sub terra trituratur aut certe nocturnis horis, non in sole conteritur aut in ea rusticus caecus operatur? quanto ergo melius se ipsos corrigunt quam euangelia sancta peruertunt et ad uanum suae mentis errorem eloquia dominica detorquere conantur!
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Although Jeremiah, when he said this, was not speaking about the people of God, but about the dreams of men and the visions of prophets—because these two things are not to be compared by any likeness, just as the emptiness of chaff cannot be compared to the fullness of wheat— Your bishops indeed attempted to deny that it is written in the Gospel that the Church is compared to a threshing-floor, but soon, upon the mention of the evangelical words, they were refuted and turned to saying that even there hidden evil men were signified, not manifest ones, concerning whom it is written: "He will come, bearing a winnowing-fan in his hand, and will cleanse his threshing-floor, will store the grain in the granary, and will burn the chaff with inextinguishable fire." Judge then for yourselves; open your eyes, lend your ears to the truth. If for that reason, as they themselves said, the Lord compared the Church to nets, because he wished not manifest but hidden evil men in it to be understood, whom priests do not see, just as fishermen do not see fish within the nets beneath the waves, is the threshing-floor also threshed under water or under the earth, or certainly at night, not in the sun, or does a blind peasant work on it? How much better, then, that they correct themselves than that they pervert the holy Gospels and try to twist the Lord's words to the vanity of their own mind's error!
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aut enim et illa piscium similitudo non propter occultos, sed tantum propter mixtos in ecclesia malos a domino posita est aut certe singulis rebus propriae similitudines datae sunt, de piscibus propter occultos, de area propter manifestos malos, quod, sicut illi ante litus, sic isti ante uentilabrum bonis in ecclesia misceantur. ipsi enim nos admonent, ut in area paleam manifestos in ecclesia malos intellegamus, qui pisces reprobos intra natantia retia propterea malos occultos intellegi uolunt, quia, sicut illos nesciunt piscatores, sic istos nesciunt sacerdotes. cur enim non dicamus: 'sic ergo et palea manifesti sunt mali, quia in aperto eam uident trituratores'? sed sicut illi non possunt ante litoris exitum separari, sic nec illa potest ante finem debitum uentilari. custodit autem deus innocentiam sanctorum et fidelium suorum sicut piscium bonorum, sicut pinguium frumentorum, ut intra ista retia non eis noceant permixta genera reprobanda et in ista area non eis noceat permixta palea uentilanda, quia, sicut ipsi dixerunt relegerunt suscripserunt, nec causae causa nec personae poterit praeiudicare persona.
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For either that likeness of the fishes was placed by the Lord not on account of hidden, but only on account of mixed evil men in the Church, or certainly specific likenesses have been given for individual things: concerning fishes on account of hidden evil men, concerning the threshing-floor on account of manifest evil men, so that, just as those are mixed before the shore, so these are mixed before the winnowing-fan with the good in the Church. For they themselves admonish us to understand by the threshing-floor manifest evil men in the Church, while they wish reprobate fishes within swimming nets to be understood as hidden evil men for this reason, because, just as fishermen do not know those, so priests do not know these. For why do we not say: 'Thus, therefore, also the chaff are manifest evil men, because threshers see it in the open'? But just as those cannot be separated before the exit from the shore, so that cannot be winnowed before its due end. However, God guards the innocence of his saints and faithful, like good fishes, like plump grains, so that within these nets the mixed reprobate kinds do not harm them, and on this threshing-floor the mixed chaff to be winnowed does not harm them, because, as they themselves have said, read, and subscribed, neither cause will be able to prejudice cause, nor person person.
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Haec uerba se negarent forte dixisse, nisi sua possent suscriptione conuinci. ecce quam diligenter actum est pro salute uestra, ut uerbis nostris suscriberemus, quod fieri omnino nolebant et ut facerent tandem aliquando pudore conpulsi sunt. nam exstant uerba eorum, ubi hoc facere recusarunt, et rursus alia uerba, ubi hoc facere consenserunt quod primo negauerant; omnia scripta sunt, omnibus suscriptum est. ideo enim uidebantur nolle suscribere, ut negare se possent dixisse quod dixerant et de gestis corruptis iudici calumniari. quod modo quia non possunt, dicunt ipsum esse corruptum, qui ut contra illos iudicaret non nisi ipsi fecerunt, qui contra se ipsos pro nobis tanta dixerunt, quae ut negare non possent, etiamsi coacti et inuiti, suis tamen prosecutionibus suscripserunt. ideo ergo nolebant suscribere. ut liceret eis per calumniam corruptorum gestorum negare quod dixerant, et ideo postea instante iudice consenserunt, quia sentiebant omnibus apparere nihil se aliud indicare nolendo suscribere, nisi se uerba sua ne sibi legerentur timere. maluerunt enim prosecutiones suas quibuscumque nebulis postea defendere quam eas tam cito damnare.
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These words they would deny having spoken, were they not able to be convicted by their own subscription. Behold how diligently it was done for your salvation, that we should subscribe to our words, which they altogether refused to do, and which they were finally compelled to do by shame. For their words exist, where they refused to do this, and again other words, where they consented to do what they had first denied; all are written down, all are subscribed. For they seemed unwilling to subscribe, so that they might be able to deny that they had said what they said, and to calumniate the judge concerning corrupted acts. Which now, because they cannot, they say that the judge himself is corrupted, who, to judge against them, did nothing but what they themselves did, who spoke so much against themselves for us, which, so that they could not deny, even though compelled and unwilling, they subscribed to their own statements. Therefore they were unwilling to subscribe, so that it might be permitted to them, through the calumny of corrupted acts, to deny what they had said, and therefore afterwards, with the judge insisting, they consented, because they perceived that it appeared to all that they indicated nothing else by their unwillingness to subscribe, except that they feared that their own words would be read back to them. For they preferred to defend their own statements with whatever clouds afterwards, rather than to condemn them so quickly.
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Sed uidete, rogamus uos, quemadmodum ipsa sua defensione se peius implicent et agant causam nostram et omnino perimant suam. nam post conlationem, posteaquam uicti appellare uoluerunt, obiecta sunt eis haec uerba, et ea conantur peiore sua implicatione defendere, quando ab eis quid egerint quaeritis. ita enim uos putant cor non habere, ut non intellegatis eos omni modo esse superatos, quando uobis ea dicunt quae omnino non dicerent, si aliquid utile quod dicerent inuenirent. quis enim ferat uictos homines conqueri, quod nocte contra eos est prolata sententia? quasi non saepe iudices audiendi necessitas tenet, ut usque ad multam partem noctis sedere cogantur, aut ideo non est uerum quod dicitur, quia per noctem dicitur. nec audiunt scripturam clamantem: per diem mandauit dominus misericordiam suam et nocte declarauit, et iterum: ad annuntiandam mane misericordiam tuam et ueritatem tuam per noctem. aut quod dixerunt nocte uenisse ad dominum tenendum persecutores, non adtendentes quoniam ipsis nocturnis horis etiam dominus ueritatem suis discipulis praedicauit,. nec aduertere uoluerunt quod scriptum est, apostolum Paulum usque ad medium noctis produxisse sermonem. si haberent uerum quod dicerent, nox eos impedire non posset. sed sane tenebrosissimam noctem in suis mentibus patiebantur, quando contra se ipsos tanta proferebant nec ad ueritatis lucem peruersum animum corrigebant.
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But see, we ask you, how by their very defense they entangle themselves more deeply and advance our case while utterly destroying their own. For after the conference, when they wished to appeal after being defeated, these words were charged against them, and they attempt to defend them by a worse self-entanglement, when you ask them what they did. For they think you have no heart, so that you do not understand that they have been overcome in every way, when they say to you things which they would not say at all if they found anything useful to say. For who would tolerate defeated men complaining that sentence was pronounced against them at night? As if judges are not often constrained by the necessity of hearing so that they are forced to sit until a large part of the night, or as if what is said is not true because it is said at night. Nor do they hear the Scripture crying out: "By day the Lord commanded his mercy and by night he declared it," and again: "To proclaim your mercy in the morning and your truth by night." Or that they said persecutors came by night to seize the Lord, not noticing that even the Lord preached the truth to his disciples in those nocturnal hours, nor did they wish to heed what is written, that the Apostle Paul prolonged his discourse until midnight. If they had something true to say, night could not hinder them. But clearly they were suffering the darkest night in their own minds, when they brought forth so many things against themselves and did not correct their perverse mind toward the light of truth.
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et adhuc utique dies erat, quando nobis forensi more de tempore praescribebant, dicentes causam lapsam esse et agi iam omnino non posse, nec intellegentes nihil se hominibus ostendisse nisi quantum timuerint ne ageretur, ubi eorum peruersitas et catholica ueritas monstraretur. Adhuc dies erat, quando uolentes destruere iudicium Romani episcopi Miltiadis, quo purgatus et absolutus est Caecilianus, etiam ipsum Miltiadem traditorem fuisse dixerunt. cuius criminationis cum ab eis esset exacta probatio, gesta prolixissima recitarunt, ubi Miltiadis nomen, quod aliquid tradiderit, non fuit. et recitauerunt etiam alia gesta, ubi legebatur Miltiadem misisse diaconos cum litteris Maxenti imperatoris et praefecti praetorio ad praefectum urbi, ut reciperent loca, quae fuerant a christianis tempore persecutionis ablata. ubi cum Miltiadis crimen nullum penitus adpareret, dixerunt superioribus traditionis gestis traditorem Stratonem fuisse recitatum, quod uocabatur unus etiam ex diaconis, quos ad recipienda loca miserat Miltiades, eundem ipsum esse contendentes et non ostendentes. neque enim Stratonem qui tradiderat saltem diaconum fuisse monstrabant. quod etiamsi esset, respondimus eis ante paruum tempus in eodem clero ecclesiae Romanae duos Petros diaconos fuisse.
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And still, indeed, it was day, when they prescribed to us in forensic manner concerning time, saying that the case had lapsed and could no longer be conducted at all, not understanding that they had shown men nothing except how much they feared that it might be conducted, where their perversity and Catholic truth would be revealed. It was still day, when, wishing to destroy the judgment of the Roman bishop Miltiades, by which Caecilianus was cleared and absolved, they said that Miltiades himself had been a traditor. When proof of this accusation was demanded of them, they recited very lengthy records, where the name of Miltiades, as having handed over anything, was not found. And they also recited other records, where it was read that Miltiades had sent deacons with letters of the emperor Maxentius and the praetorian prefect to the prefect of the city, that they might recover the places which had been taken from Christians during the time of persecution. When no crime of Miltiades appeared at all therein, they said that in the earlier records of the traditor, a traditor named Strato had been recited, because one of the deacons whom Miltiades had sent to recover the places was also called by that name, contending this, but not proving it. For they did not even show that Strato, who had handed over, was a deacon. And even if that were so, we had replied to them a short time before that in the same clergy of the Roman Church there had been two deacons named Peter.
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ita mente caeci tenebrosas calumnias innectebant, addentes etiam manifestissimam falsitatem, quod non solum nomen, sed etiam loca et regiones et personae conuenirent, quibus non alius, sed ipse esse Straton ostenderetur, cum in illis gestis omnino nihil conueniens praeter similitudinem nominis legeretur, qua plena est consuetudo generis humani, ut non solum duo, sed etiam plures homines uno nomine uocitentur. nam ipsi quoque Donatum suum Carthaginiensem, ne in iudicio Miltiadis ipse putaretur esse damnatus, quoniam illum pro magno habent, a Donato Casensi distinguendum esse clamauerunt, quia (non) Donatus Carthaginiensis contra Caecilianum missus fuerat ad Miltiadis episcopale iudicium, tam crassam noctem in corde gestantes, ut Donatum infamari nollent similitudine nominis sui et Miltiadem maculari uellent similitudine nominis alieni. nunc autem Stratoni etiam Cassiani nomen addere dicuntur, quod in conlatione tacuerunt, quasi Straton solus cognominalem habere potuisset et Cassianus non potuit.
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Thus, with minds blind, they wove shadowy calumnies, adding also the most manifest falsehood: that not only the name, but also the places, regions, and persons coincided, by which it would be shown that no other, but Straton himself, was meant, whereas in those records nothing at all fitting was read except the similarity of the name, with which the custom of the human race is replete, so that not only two, but even more men are called by one name. For they themselves also cried out that their own Donatus of Carthage, lest he be thought to have been condemned in the judgment of Miltiades—since they hold him in high regard—was to be distinguished from Donatus of Casae, because Donatus of Carthage had not been sent to the episcopal judgment of Miltiades against Caecilian, bearing so thick a night in their heart that they were unwilling for Donatus to be defamed by the similarity of his own name, yet wished Miltiades to be stained by the similarity of another’s name. Now, however, they are said to add even the name of Cassianus to Straton, which they kept silent about in the conference, as if Straton alone could have a namesake and Cassianus could not.
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nec adtendere potuerunt interna sua nocte impediti non solum duos Iohannes, unum baptistam, alterum euangelistam, sed etiam duos Simones, unum Petrum, alterum magum, in ipso denique tam paruo numero apostolorum non solum duos Iacobos, unum Alphaei, alterum Zebedaei, sed etiam duos ludas, unum sanctum, alterum diabolum; cui tamen Iudae apostolo sancto quisquis similiter mente caecus de crimine Iudae traditoris calumniaretur, non nisi istos imitaretur. non enim mirum est, si tales istos calumniatores post tam longum tempus patitur existimatio Miltiadis de duobus Cassianis uel de duobus Stratonibus, quales euangelica ueritas patitur de duobus Herodibus. nam quia non est expressum, quis Herodes pro Christo occisis infantibus continuo mortuus fuerit et quis Herodes cum Pilato dominum persecutus sit, putantes unum fuisse obiciunt euangelio crimen falsitatis, sicut isti putantes unum fuisse Stratonem uel Cassianum obiciunt Miltiadi maculam traditionis. et tamen illi tolerabilius errant, quia non solum nomen, uerum etiam dignitas consonat — uterque enim legitur rex Herodes —, isti autem dignitatem consonare mentiti sunt, quia utrosque fuisse diaconos nullo modo legere potuerunt.
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Nor could they, hindered by their own inner darkness, attend to the fact that there are not only two Johns—one the Baptist, the other the Evangelist—but also two Simons—one Peter, the other the Magician—and, finally, in that very small number of apostles, not only two Jameses—one the son of Alphaeus, the other the son of Zebedee—but also two Judases—one holy, the other diabolical. Yet anyone who, similarly blind of mind, should slander that holy apostle Judas concerning the crime of the traitor Judas would be imitating none other than these men. For it is no wonder that the reputation of Miltiades suffers such slanderers after so long a time concerning two Cassians or two Strato(n)s, when evangelical truth suffers them concerning two Herods. For because it is not specified which Herod died immediately after the slaughter of the infants for Christ, and which Herod persecuted the Lord together with Pilate, they, thinking there was one, cast upon the Gospel the charge of falsehood, just as these men, thinking there was one Strato or one Cassian, cast upon Miltiades the stain of betrayal. And yet those men err more tolerably, because not only the name but also the rank agrees—for each is read as King Herod—whereas these men have lied about the rank agreeing, for they could in no way read that both were deacons.
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Adhuc dies erat, quando Cirtense concilium — si tamen concilium dicendum est, in quo uix undecim uel duodecim episcopi fuerunt —, unde recitauimus traditores fuisse quosdam, qui cum Secundo Tigisitano contra Caecilianum sententias protulerunt, falsum uolentes ostendere dixerunt persecutionis tempore non potuisse in aliquam domum illos undecim uel duodecim episcopos congregari, et ut probarent tempus fuisse persecutionis, protulerunt martyrum gesta, ut diebus et consulibus consideratis quod tempus fuerit appareret. quae martyrum gesta contra se ipsos protulisse conuicti sunt; in eis quippe gestis manifestatum est illo tempore persecutionis christianas plebes solitas congregari. unde constitit non esse incredibile, quod etiam illi episcopi in priuatam domum similiter conuenisse legebantur, ut plebi, quae poterat, sicut gestis martyrum continebatur, etiam persecutionis tempore congregari, occulte ordinaretur episcopus, qui posset sibi etiam ipse occulte clericos ordinare in tanta necessitate, ubi anterior episcopus cum clero lapsus per epistulam ipsius Secundi, quae ab illis allegata est, monstrabatur.
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It was still day when the Cirtense council—if indeed it can be called a council, in which scarcely eleven or twelve bishops were present—from which we recited that certain men were traditors, who, together with Secundus of Tigisi, pronounced sentences against Caecilian, wishing to show a falsehood, said that during the time of persecution those eleven or twelve bishops could not have gathered in any house, and to prove that it was a time of persecution, they produced the acts of the martyrs, so that, with the days and consuls considered, what time it was might appear. They were convicted of having produced those acts of the martyrs against themselves; for in those acts it was made manifest that at that time of persecution Christian congregations were accustomed to assemble. Hence it was established that it was not incredible that those bishops were likewise recorded to have assembled in a private house, so that for the congregation that was able, as was contained in the acts of the martyrs, to assemble even during the time of persecution, a bishop might be secretly ordained, who could himself also secretly ordain clerics in such great necessity, where the previous bishop, together with his clergy, was shown, through the letter of Secundus himself which was adduced by them, to have lapsed.
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ex his martyrum gestis, quae ipsi proferebant, admoniti sumus et in alia gesta martyrum intendere, et inuenimus et diximus feruente tempore persecutionis et priuatam domum, quod illi fieri potuisse negauerant, congregationi christianorum fuisse concessam et in carcere fuisse martyres baptizatos, ut uiderent, quam non esset incredibile tempore persecutionis in priuatam domum paucos episcopos congregari, quando et in ipso carcere celebrarentur sacramenta Christi, in quo inclusi homines tenebantur pro fide Christi. quantum uos ergo adiuuerint gesta martyrum proferendo, quis non uideat, qui non similem noctem habet in corde, qualem illi habebant qui haec non uidebant? Qui etiam hinc gestis ipsis Cirtensibus calumniabantur, quia ibi dies et consules legebantur, et exigebant a nobis, ut aliqua ecclesiastica concilia proferremus, ubi dies recitarentur et consules. ipsi enim Carthaginiense concilium factum sine die et consule proferebant. dicebant enim etiam concilium Cypriani consules non habere, ubi tamen legitur dies, in illo autem ipsorum Carthaginiensi nec dies. nos autem quod in manibus erat Romanum concilium Miltiadis, sicut illud Cirtense, et diem habere demonstrabamus et consules. neque enim tunc ad horam antiqua archiua ecclesiastica discutienda nobis fuerunt, unde ista consuetudo etiam ueterum fuisse doceretur.
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From these acts of the martyrs, which they themselves were presenting, we were reminded to examine other acts of the martyrs as well, and we found and pointed out that during the fervent time of persecution, a private house—which they had denied could have happened—was granted for the gathering of Christians, and that martyrs were baptized in prison, so that they might see how not incredible it was that, during the time of persecution, a few bishops gathered in a private house, when even in the prison itself, where men were held confined for the sake of Christ's faith, the sacraments of Christ were being celebrated. Therefore, who does not see how much the acts of the martyrs helped you by being presented—unless he has a night in his heart similar to that which those had who did not see these things? They also slandered the Cirtense acts themselves on this point, because there the day and the consuls were read, and they demanded from us that we produce some ecclesiastical councils where the day and the consuls were recited. For they themselves presented the Carthaginian council made without a day and a consul. They said, moreover, that the council of Cyprian did not have consuls, although the day is read there, but in that Carthaginian council of theirs, not even the day. We, however, demonstrated that the Roman council of Miltiades, which was at hand, just like that Cirtense one, had both a day and consuls. For it was not then the time for us to examine ancient ecclesiastical archives, from which it might be shown that this custom also existed among the ancients.
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nec tamen inanes eis etiam nos calumnias mouere uoluimus, quare in Cypriani concilio dies inueniretur, in ipsorum autem non inueniretur, quia illi uanas moras uolebant innectere, quas nos conabamur (auertere). nam etiam hoc exigebant, ut de scripturis sanctis ostenderemus alicubi dies et consules esse conscriptos; quasi episcoporum concilia scripturis canonicis aliquando fuerint conparata aut possint etiam ipsi de scripturis sanctis proferre concilium, ubi apostoli iudices sederint et accusatum aliquem uel damnauerint uel absoluerint. et tamen respondimus eis etiam prophetas libros suos praenotatis et definitis commendasse temporibus, quo anno cuius regis, quoto mense anni, quoto die mensis factum super eos fuerit uerbum domini, ut ostenderemus, quam inaniter et calumniose de diebus et consulibus episcopalium conciliorum quaestiones uanissimas excitarent. fieri enim potest, ut in codicibus sit ista uarietas, dum alii etiam dies et consules diligentia maiore describunt, alii tamquam superfluum praetermittunt: sicut etiam codex, de quo primum legimus iudicium Constantini, quo inter partes Caecilianum innocentem, illos autem calumniosissimos pronuntiauit, diem et consulem non habebat, alius autem, quem contra eorum calumnias postea protulimus, habebat.
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Nevertheless, we did not wish to bring empty accusations against them either, as to why a date was found in the Council of Cyprian but not in their own, because they wanted to interpose vain delays, which we were trying to avert. For they also demanded that we show from the holy scriptures somewhere that days and consuls were recorded, as if the councils of bishops had ever been compared to the canonical scriptures, or as if they themselves could produce from the holy scriptures a council where the apostles sat as judges and either condemned or acquitted someone accused. And yet we answered them that even the prophets had commended their books with designated and defined times—in what year of which king, in what month of the year, on what day of the month the word of the Lord was made known to them—in order to show how vainly and slanderously they stirred up the most empty questions about the days and consuls of episcopal councils. For it is possible that there is such variety in the manuscripts, since some describe even the days and consuls with greater diligence, while others omit them as superfluous, just as the manuscript from which we first read the judgment of Constantine, in which he pronounced Caecilianus innocent and them most slanderous, did not have the day and consul, but another manuscript, which we later produced against their slanders, did have them.
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qui etiam illic inuidiosissime proclamauerant, quod imperatoris litteras sine die et consule recitauimus, et tamen etiam ipsi alias eiusdem imperatoris litteras in causa Felicis ordinatoris Caeciliani, quas mirabili caecitate contra se ipsos protulerunt, sine die et consule recitarunt. nec eis inde aliquid obiecimus, ne similiter ut ipsi tempora necessaria superfluis uerbis occuparemus; haec autem modo dicimus, ut uos saltem oculos aperiatis et tenebrosa nocte careatis, quam uestri episcopi corde gestabant, qui nocturnam sententiam cognitioni iudicis obiecerunt et ipsi per diem interioribus tenebris inuoluti mirabili caecitate contra se ipsos tanta dixerunt. Leguntur actis apud Carthaginis magistratum ex- „ pressa uerba Primiani, ubi dicit, quod parentes eorum nostri maiores uariis exiliis uexauerunt, et in conlatione probare conantur accusantibus maioribus suis ab imperatore Caecilianum exilio esse damnatum. dicunt in litteris suis communionem suam ecclesiam ueritatis, quae persecutionem patitur. non quae facit, et conantur ostendere Caecilianum damnatum iudicio imperatoris persequentibus maioribus suis, et hoc dicunt factum non per Donatum Casensem, sed per eum, quem prae ceteris praedicant, Donatum Carthaginiensem. hoc enim scriptis suis [per suos] modo iactare dicuntur, ubi uicti iudicem accusant, quia noctem cordis ipsorum nocturna ueritas confutauit.
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who also had proclaimed there in a most invidious manner that we had recited the emperor's letter without date and consul, and yet they themselves recited other letters of the same emperor in the case of Felix the ordainer of Caecilian, which with remarkable blindness they brought forward against themselves, without date and consul. Nor did we object to them on that account, lest we similarly occupy necessary time with superfluous words as they did; but we say these things now so that you at least may open your eyes and be free from the dark night which your bishops carried in their heart, who objected the nocturnal sentence to the judge's inquiry and themselves, wrapped in inner darkness by day, with remarkable blindness said so much against themselves. The express words of Primian are read from the acts before the magistrate of Carthage, where he says that their parents harassed our ancestors with various exiles, and in the conference they try to prove that Caecilian was condemned to exile by the emperor at the accusation of their ancestors. In their letters they call their communion the church of truth, which suffers persecution, not which inflicts it, and they try to show that Caecilian was condemned by the judgment of the emperor with their ancestors as persecutors, and they say this was done not through Donatus of Casae Nigrae, but through the one they praise above all others, Donatus of Carthage. For they are said to boast of this now in their writings [through their agents], where, defeated, they accuse the judge, because the truth of the night refuted the night of their heart.
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Donatum illum, illum, inquam, Donatum, quem dixerunt ecclesiae Carthaginis ornamentum et martyralis gloriae uirum, sic commendare uoluerunt, ut dicerent, quod apud imperatoris Constantini cognitionem ipse reum et asseruerit et conuicerit Caecilianum. ille ergo uir gloriae martyralis apud imperatoris cognitionem reum constituit et asseruit Caecilianum illamque cognitionem Caeciliani damnatio consecuta est, illo uiro gloriae martyralis accusante et instante Caecilianus ab imperatore damnatus est. quod quidem nos falsum esse conuicimus. qui eiusdem imperatoris litteras, quibus se inter partes audisse et iudicasse testatur, ubi Caeciliano absoluto atque purgato illorum calumnias detestatus est, prolatas de archiuo publico recitauimus. contra quas omnino quid responderent nihil inuenire potuerunt et ad eas confirmandas contra se ipsos alia protulerunt. proinde a maioribus eorum apud imperatorem accusatum constitit Caecilianum, damnatum autem non constitit, immo etiam constitit absolutum. sed tamen uel uos uidete, quantum adiuuerint causam nostram episcopi uestri, qui de illa uoluerunt etiam falsitate gloriari.
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That Donatus—that very Donatus, I say, whom they called the ornament of the church of Carthage and a man of martyrial glory—they wished to commend in such a way as to say that, in the hearing of the emperor Constantine, he himself had both accused and convicted Caecilian as guilty. Therefore that man of martyrial glory, in the hearing of the emperor, established and asserted Caecilian as guilty, and that hearing was followed by the condemnation of Caecilian; with that man of martyrial glory accusing and pressing the case, Caecilian was condemned by the emperor. But we have proved this to be false. For we recited, produced from the public archive, the letters of the same emperor, in which he testifies that he heard and judged between the parties, where, with Caecilian acquitted and cleared, he denounced their calumnies. Against these letters they could find absolutely nothing to reply, and in trying to confirm them they brought forward other documents that told against themselves. Hence it is established that Caecilian was accused by their predecessors before the emperor, but it is not established that he was condemned; on the contrary, it is even established that he was acquitted. But at least see for yourselves how much your bishops have aided our cause, who wished to boast even of that falsehood.
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si enim Donatus ille uir gloriae martyralis apud imperatoris cognitionem reum asseruit Caecilianum et illo uiro gloriae martyralis accusante et instante Caecilianus ab imperatore damnatus est, respondeant uobis, quando haec agebantur, quis erat martyr, utrum Donatus, qui hominem apud imperatorem persequebatur, an Caecilianus, qui illo persequente ab imperatore damnabatur? ubi est nunc illa definitiua regula ipsorum communionem Donati esse ecclesiam ueritatis quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit? ecce patitur Caecilianus, Donatus facit: quis eorum est uir gloriae martyralis? Adtendite, aduertite, nolite in errorem perniciosum adhuc usque seduci. ueritatem, quae uobis occultabatur, deus aperire dignatus est, falsitatem. quae uobis offundebatur, deus confutare dignatus est; tanto eius beneficio quare adhuc estis ingrati? hoc est nempe, quod uobis saepe dicebant, unde cordis uestri oculos astuta fallacia caligabant, et adhuc etiam conuicti inde se iactant, inde nos lacerant, quia nos facimus persecutionem, ipsi patiuntur. hoc eis remansit omni ex parte superatis, unde adhuc nebulas faciant imperitis, hinc se quasi ostendentes esse ecclesiam ueritatis, quia persecutionem patitur, non facit. non uos ergo adhuc fallant; hoc eis facimus., quod maiores suos et ipsum quem praedicant uelut martyralis gloriae uirum Caeciliano fecisse gloriantur.
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For if that Donatus, a man of martyrial glory, asserted Caecilianus as defendant in the hearing of the emperor, and with that man of martyrial glory accusing and pressing the case, Caecilianus was condemned by the emperor, answer to you: when these things were taking place, who was the martyr—Donatus, who was prosecuting a man before the emperor, or Caecilianus, who, with that man prosecuting, was condemned by the emperor? Where now is that definitive rule of theirs, that the communion of Donatus is the church of truth which suffers persecution, not which inflicts it? Behold, Caecilianus suffers, Donatus inflicts: which of them is the man of martyrial glory? Attend, take heed, be not seduced into pernicious error even still. The truth, which was hidden from you, God has deigned to reveal; the falsehood, which was poured over you, God has deigned to refute; why are you still ungrateful for such a benefit of His? This is, indeed, what they often said to you, by which the eyes of your heart were darkened with cunning deceit, and even now, when refuted, they boast of this, they tear at us from this, because we inflict persecution, they suffer it. This alone remains to them, overcome on every side, from which they still make clouds for the unlearned, from this showing themselves, as it were, to be the church of truth, because it suffers persecution, not inflicts it. Therefore, let them not still deceive you; we do to them what their predecessors, and the very man they proclaim as a man of martyrial glory, boast of having done to Caecilianus.
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hoc egit ille apud imperatorem, conuictus Caecilianus ut illius iudicio damnaretur: hoc et nos egimus, ut isti conuicti similia paterentur. si male fecit, quare hoc illi Donatus faciebat? si autem recte fecit, quare hoc catholica parti Donati non faciat? immo recte fieri nec illi dubitant. qui hoc maiores suos, quos multum laudant, fecisse gloriantur, nec nos dubitamus, qui hoc eis esse faciendum negare non possumus, ut sine effusione sanguinis, qui uerbis non emendantur, aliqua mitissima poena legum corripiantur inquieti; et si forte imperator permotus mentis sacrilegae pertinaciam grauiore supplicio statuit esse plectendam, mitius agant iudices, quibus semper licuit lenire atque emollire sententiam. interim ergo, quamuis non possit ostendi Caecilianum ab imperatore Constantino esse damnatum, a uobis tamen error ille sublatus est, quo putabatis eam esse ueram ecclesiam quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit; fecit enim Donatus, passus est Caecilianus. et si persecutionem patitur pars Donati, patitur cum illa etiam pars Maximiani. quam et ipsi Christi ecclesiam non esse confirmant. ac per hoc et facere persecutionem non est iniquitatis indicium, quia et boni faciunt malis et mali bonis, et pati persecutionem non est iustitiae documentum, quia eam non soli boni pro pietate, sed (et) mali pro iniquitate patiuntur.
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This is what that man accomplished before the emperor: Caecilianus was convicted so that he would be condemned by his judgment. This is also what we have accomplished, so that these men, once convicted, would suffer similar treatment. If he acted wrongly, why did that Donatus do this? But if he acted rightly, why does the Catholic party not do this to the Donatists? Indeed, they themselves do not doubt that it was done rightly. They boast that their predecessors, whom they greatly praise, did this, and we do not doubt it, since we cannot deny that this ought to be done to them: that without bloodshed, those who are not corrected by words should be restrained by some very mild penalty of the laws; and if perhaps the emperor, moved by the stubbornness of a sacrilegious mind, has decreed that it be punished by a heavier penalty, the judges, who have always been permitted to soften and mitigate the sentence, should act more leniently. Meanwhile, therefore, although it cannot be shown that Caecilianus was condemned by the emperor Constantine, that error of yours has nevertheless been removed, by which you thought that the true church is the one that suffers persecution, not the one that inflicts it; for Donatus inflicted it, Caecilianus suffered it. And if the Donatist party suffers persecution, it suffers it along with the party of Maximianus, whom they themselves affirm is not the church of Christ. And for this reason, inflicting persecution is not a sign of iniquity, because good men also inflict it upon the wicked and wicked men upon the good; and suffering persecution is not a proof of righteousness, because not only the good suffer it for piety, but also the wicked suffer it for iniquity.
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Restat ergo uobis errore depulso ecclesiam Christi uidere ac tenere catholicam, non ut inde eam eligatis. quia persecutionem patitur. cum enim dixisset dominus: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur, ne inde se iactent haeretici, addidit: propter iustitiam. nam quanta mala nostris fecerint furiosissimi clerici et circumcelliones partis Donati, nostis et uos. incensae sunt ecclesiae, missi in flammas codices sancti, incensae etiam priuatae domus, rapti homines de sedibus suis, et omnibus quae inerant ablatis aut perditis ipsi caesi laniati excaecati. nec ab homicidio potuit - temperari, quamuis sit mitius huic luci morientem quam istam lucem auferre uiuenti. uentum est ad homines. non ut retenti aliquo ducerentur, sed tantum ut ista paterentur. nec tamen nostros ideo iustificamus. quia ista perpessi sunt, sed quia pro christiana ueritate, pro Christi pace, pro ecclesiae unitate perpessi sunt. illi autem sub tam multis. sub tam seueris legibus et sub tanta ecclesiae catholicae quam dominus ei tribuit potestate quid tale patiuntur? si quando enim morte multantur, aut ipsi se occidunt aut eorum cruentae uiolentiae dum resistitur occiduntur, non pro communione partis Donati nec pro errore sacrilegi schismatis, sed pro apertissimis facinoribus et sceleribus suis, quae more latronum inmani furore et crudelitate committunt.
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It remains for you, therefore, with error cast aside, to see and hold to the Catholic Church of Christ, not to choose it from that because it suffers persecution. For when the Lord said, "Blessed are those who suffer persecution," he added, "for the sake of righteousness," lest heretics boast of it. For you know, as do we, how many evils the most frenzied clergy and circumcellions of the Donatist party have inflicted on our people. Churches have been burned, sacred codices thrown into flames, even private houses set on fire, men dragged from their homes, and with all their possessions taken or destroyed, they themselves have been beaten, lacerated, and blinded. Nor could they refrain from homicide, although it is milder to put to death one who is dying to this light than to take away that light from one who is living. It came to the point of killing men, not that they were arrested and led somewhere, but merely that they should suffer these things. Yet we do not justify our people because they have suffered these things, but because they have suffered them for Christian truth, for Christ's peace, for the unity of the Church. But those men, under so many, under such severe laws, and under such power as the Lord has granted to the Catholic Church—what do they suffer of the same kind? For if they are ever punished by death, they either kill themselves or are killed while their bloody violence is resisted, not for the communion of the Donatist party nor for the error of sacrilegious schism, but for their own most open crimes and wickednesses, which they commit like bandits with monstrous fury and cruelty.
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pro parte autem Donati uix aliquid tale patiuntur, quale Caecilianum Donato instante passum esse dixerunt. Aut ergo persecutio non omnis iniusta est aut non est persecutio dicenda cum iusta est. quapropter aut persecutionem pars Donati patitur iustam aut persecutionem non patitur, quia patitur iuste. non autem iuste passus est Caecilianus, quia innocens probatus et absolutus est. quod quidem illi negauerunt et potius ab imperatore damnatum esse dixerunt, et ideo maiores suos maximeque Donatum a se tanta praedicatione laudatum Caeciliano persecutionem fecisse confessi sunt. illum autem conuictum atque damnatum probare minime potuerunt, immo etiam, quod nos dicebamus, eum esse absolutum atque purgatum ipsi quoque multa contra se ipsos legendo firmarunt. et tamen liberum arbitrium sibi ab imperatore concessum esse iactant. uicti atque confusi id sibi etiam nunc flagitabant debere concedi, quod maiores eorum Caeciliano non concedebant, quem sic apud imperatorem accusarunt, quem illis accusantibus ab imperatore damnatum isti etiam mentiri uoluerunt. si uoluntas libera unicuique tribuenda est, Caeciliano prius tribueretur; si haec non homini iudici permittenda, sed deo potius dimittenda sunt, Caecilianus apud imperatorem prius non accusaretur.
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But on the part of Donatus, they suffer hardly anything of the kind that they said Caecilianus suffered at the instigation of Donatus. Therefore, either not all persecution is unjust, or it should not be called persecution when it is just. Hence, either the Donatist party suffers just persecution, or it does not suffer persecution because it suffers justly. But Caecilianus did not suffer justly, because he was proven innocent and acquitted. Indeed, they denied this and claimed instead that he was condemned by the emperor, and thus they confessed that their predecessors, and especially Donatus, whom they so greatly praised, inflicted persecution on Caecilianus. But they were utterly unable to prove that he was convicted and condemned; on the contrary, even they themselves, by reading many things, confirmed what we were saying—that he was acquitted and cleared. And yet they boast that freedom of choice was granted to them by the emperor. Defeated and confounded, they even now demanded that what their predecessors did not grant to Caecilianus should be conceded to them—Caecilianus, whom they accused before the emperor, and whom they even wanted to lie about as having been condemned by the emperor at their accusation. If free will is to be granted to each person, it should have been granted first to Caecilianus; if these matters are not to be left to a human judge but rather to God, then Caecilianus should not have been accused before the emperor in the first place.
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Expergiscimini aliquando; non uos tartareus obliget somnus, non in profundum sacrilegi erroris adhuc impia consuetudo demergat; iam consonate paci, cohaerete unitati, adquiescite caritati, cedite ueritati; ecclesiam catholicam incipientem ab Hierusalem cognoscite usque quaque diffundi, cui non communicat pars Donati, cui causa non praeiudicat Caeciliani. totiens enim purgatus, totiens absolutus etiamsi non esset innocens, nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae. haec uerba per orbem terrae uniuersa personat ecclesia, clamat etiam membrum eius in Africa: 'testimonium dei noui, negotium Caeciliani non noui; credo innocentem a uestris maioribus insectatum quem lego totiens abs lutum, sed qualiscumque sit causa eius, causae meae nihil praeiudicat, qualiscumque sit persona eius, personae meae nihil praeiudicat. uos hoc dixistis, uos ad hoc suscripsistis: nec causa causae nec persona personae. ecce dominus dicit: per omnes gentes, incipientibus Hierusalem; diuinam ueritatem in una ecclesia teneamus et humanas lites aliquando finiamus'.
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Wake up at last; may not the infernal sleep bind you, may not the impious habit still plunge you into the depth of sacrilegious error; now be in harmony with peace, cling to unity, acquiesce in charity, yield to truth; recognize the Catholic Church beginning from Jerusalem and spreading everywhere, with which the Donatist party does not communicate, to which the case of Caecilianus does not prejudice. For however often purged, however often acquitted, even if he were not innocent, neither does a case prejudice a case nor a person prejudice a person. The universal Church throughout the whole world proclaims these words, and its member in Africa also cries out: 'I know the testimony of God, I do not know the case of Caecilianus; I believe him innocent, persecuted by your elders, whom I read was so often acquitted; but whatever his case may be, it does not prejudice my case; whatever his person may be, it does not prejudice my person. You said this, you subscribed to this: neither case prejudices case nor person prejudices person. Behold, the Lord says: throughout all nations, beginning from Jerusalem; let us hold the divine truth in one Church and at last put an end to human quarrels.
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Numquid enim uerba ista, ubi dixerunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae, ullo modo post ipsam conlationem defendere potuerunt ac non potius se multo perplexius implicarunt? sic namque in quibusdam scriptis suis locuti sunt: causam causae et personam non praeiudicare personae a nobis, inquiunt, dictum esse memoriter recensitum est, sed ad locum: (nobis non praeiudicari ab his qui a nobis uel reiecti sunt uel damnati'). hi autem, qui ex Caeciliani ordinatione descendunt, quos de praecessore origo numerat ad reatum, quemadmodum non possint ordinatoris sui criminibus obligari, cum per seriem protensus peccatorum funis, quoscumque communionis uinxerit uinculo, necesse e,'Jt ut consortes faciat esse peccati? o mira defensio! tam densum et artum est lutum ubi eis adhaeserunt pedes, ut eos euellere conantes frustra et manus et caput figant et in eodem luto haesitantes artius inuoluantur. ex eis enim, quos uel reiecisse se uel damnasse commemorant, hoc est ex Maximianistis, secum habent Felicianum et damnatorem Primiani et a se damnatum in causa Primiani. quid est quod funem tam longum a Caeciliano usque ad haec tempora catholicae ecclesiae implicare contendunt et catenam suam tam in proximo non attendunt? praeclara quippe illa Bagaitana sententia de Maximiano et sociis eius: trahit, inquit, ad consortium criminis plurimos catena sacrilegii.
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For can they in any way defend those words, where they said that the cause does not prejudice the cause nor the person the person, after the conference itself, and have they not rather entangled themselves much more perplexingly? For thus they spoke in some of their writings: "That the cause does not prejudice the cause and the person does not prejudice the person," they say, "has been recalled as having been said by us, but with reference to the point: 'that we are not prejudiced by those who have been either rejected or condemned by us.' But those who descend from the ordination of Caecilianus, whom the origin counts from the predecessor to the guilt, how can they not be bound by the crimes of their ordainer, since the rope of sins, stretched through the series, necessarily makes those whom it has bound by the bond of communion partners in sin?" O marvelous defense! The mud is so thick and dense where their feet have stuck, that when they try to pull them out, they vainly fix both hands and head, and, hesitating in the same mud, are more tightly entangled. For among those whom they recall having either rejected or condemned, that is, from the Maximianists, they have with them Felicianus, both the condemner of Primianus and condemned by themselves in the case of Primianus. What is it that they strive to entangle such a long rope from Caecilianus up to these times of the Catholic Church, and do not notice their own chain so close at hand? Indeed, that splendid Bagaitanian sentence concerning Maximianus and his associates says: "The chain of sacrilege," it says, "draws many into the fellowship of crime.
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Felicianus ergo ista catena trahebatur: si illis non praeiudicat Felicianus, quare nobis Caecilianus? an forte ubi uolunt praeiudicat, ubi autem nolunt causae non praeiudicat causa et pro libidine ipsorum fortior est funis antiquus quam noua catena? non praeiudicat Maximianus Feliciano a quo damnatus est, non praeiudicat Maximianus et Felicianus Primiano a quibus damnatus est, non praeiudicat Maximianus eis qui dilationem acceperunt. quibus in uno schismate sociatus est, non praeiudicat Felicianus parti Donati, a qua in eodem honore susceptus est nec baptismus quem in sacrilego schismate dedit ibi destructus est: et praeiudicat Caecilianus tot christianis gentibus, qui semel damnatus est absens quomodo Primianus et ter absolutus est praesens quomodo non Primianus. praeiudicat nobis olim defunctus ignotus: et istis non praeiudicat uiuus a quibus legitur paulo ante damnatus et quibus cernitur modo sociatus. nobis inuoluitur funis Caeciliani a quibus ignoratur: et illis non inuoluitur catena Feliciani quorum in eum sen.tentia recitatur, ubi ipsa catena damnatur. illis licet dicere: 'suscepimus quos damnauimus pro pace Donati, quia nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae: et nobis non licet dicere: 'propter eos quos damnastis non deserimus pacem Christi, Quia nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae).
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Felicianus, then, was being dragged along by that chain: if Felicianus does not prejudice them, why does Caecilianus prejudice us? Or does it prejudice where they wish, but where they do not wish, cause does not prejudice cause, and according to their own caprice the old rope is stronger than the new chain? Maximianus does not prejudice Felicianus, by whom he was condemned; Maximianus and Felicianus do not prejudice Primianus, by whom they were condemned; Maximianus does not prejudice those who received a delay, with whom he was associated in one schism; Felicianus does not prejudice the Donatist party, by which he was received in the same honor, nor was the baptism he gave in a sacrilegious schism destroyed there; and Caecilianus prejudices so many Christian peoples, who was once condemned in absence, as Primianus was, and thrice acquitted in presence, as Primianus was not. He prejudices us, long dead and unknown; and these men are not prejudiced by a living man, who was recently condemned by them, as is read, and is now seen associated with them. The rope of Caecilianus is wound around us, who are ignorant of him; and the chain of Felicianus is not wound around them, whose sentence against him is recited, where that very chain is condemned. They are allowed to say: 'We have received those whom we condemned for the sake of Donatist peace, because cause does not prejudice cause, nor person person'; and we are not allowed to say: 'Because of those whom you condemned, we do not abandon the peace of Christ, because cause does not prejudice cause, nor person person.
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o ferream frontem, o furoris tenebras, nocturnam sententiam iudici obicientes et in sui cordis nocte palpantes offendentes cadentes, contra nos rabide litigantes et pro nobis tanta dicentes! Insuper adhuc etiam modo commemorare audent prophetica et apostolica testimonia, quibus nos uniuersaliter in illa conlatione respondimus, ostendentes ipsos prophetas sanctos cum iniquis in uno templo, sub eisdem sacerdotibus, inter eadem sacramenta uersatos nec tamen a malis fuisse pollutos, quia nouerant inter sanctum et inmundum non, sicut isti sentiunt, corporaliter populum diuidendo, sed bene iudicando et bene uiuendo discernere. et hoc sine intermissione faciebant, ut in illa domo magna, ubi erant, sicut dicit apostolus. alia uasa in -honorem, alia in contumeliam. se ipsos a talibus morum diuersitate mundarent et essent uasa in honorem, utilia domino, ad omne opus bonum semper parata. sed bene quod ipsi ex multis testimoniis, quae litteris suis non intellegentes inseruerunt, quas in conlatione protulerunt et legerunt, tamquam praecipuum de Aggaeo propheta testimonium modo post conlationem uicti commemorarunt. in isto ergo propheta multo euidentius quod uolumus demonstramus, quia non corporalis, sed spiritalis contactus, qui fit per consensionem, ipse polluit homines, quorum causam unam facit ipsa consensio.
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Oh iron forehead, oh darkness of madness, casting the nocturnal sentence in the face of the judge and groping in the night of their own heart, stumbling and falling, rabidly litigating against us and saying so much on our behalf! Moreover, they even now dare to recall the prophetic and apostolic testimonies to which we responded universally in that conference, showing that the holy prophets themselves moved among the wicked in one temple, under the same priests, amid the same sacraments, and were not polluted by the evil ones, because they knew how to distinguish between the holy and the unclean not, as these people think, by physically dividing the people, but by judging rightly and living rightly. And they did this without ceasing, so that in that great house where they were, as the apostle says, some vessels are for honor, others for dishonor, they would purify themselves from such people by the diversity of their morals and be vessels for honor, useful to the Lord, always ready for every good work. But it is well that they, from the many testimonies which they inserted into their writings without understanding, which they brought forth and read in the conference, have now, after being defeated in the conference, recalled as a special testimony from the prophet Haggai. In this prophet, therefore, we demonstrate much more clearly what we wish, because it is not physical but spiritual contact, which occurs through consent, that pollutes men, whose cause a single consent makes one.
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Nam quando impios dominus etiam uisibili poena perdere uoluit, ipse ab eis iustos admonitione separauit, sicut Noe cum domo sua ab eis, quos diluuio fuerat perditurus, sicut Loth ab eis, quos igne fuerat consumpturus, sicut populum suum a synagoga Abiron, quam mox fuerat extincturus. ideo et illum, qui non habebat uestem nuptialem, non illi qui inuitauerant, sed ipse dominus cuius erat conuiuium ligari iussit et proici. neque enim et ipse sicut piscis sub fluctibus erat et sic ab inuitatoribus quomodo (piscis) a piscatoribus uideri non poterat. proinde ne putaretur, sicut isti putant, quod uelut unus in turba latenter subrepsisset ignaris, continuo dominus in eodem ipso uno, quem ligatis manibus et pedibus in tenebras exteriores ex illo conuiuio proici iussit, multam societatem malorum esse intellegendam, inter quos pauciores boni in conuiuio dominico uiuunt, significare non distulit. nam posteaquam dixit: ligate illi manus et pedes et proicite eum in tenebras exteriores; ibi erit fletus et stridor dentium, continuo subiunxit: multi enim sunt uocati, pauci uero electi. quomodo hoc uerum est, cum potius unus e multis fuisset proiectus in tenebras exteriores, nisi quia in illo uno grande corpus figurabatur omnium malorum ante domini iudicium conuiuio dominico permixtorum?
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For when the Lord wished to destroy even the impious with visible punishment, He Himself separated the righteous from them by a warning, just as Noah with his household from those whom the flood was about to destroy, just as Lot from those whom fire was about to consume, just as His own people from the synagogue of Abiram, which He was soon to destroy. Therefore also that man who did not have a wedding garment was ordered to be bound and cast out not by those who had invited him, but by the Lord Himself, whose banquet it was. For neither was He, like a fish, under the waves, and thus could not be seen by the inviters as a fish is by fishermen. Hence, lest it be thought, as these people think, that He had secretly crept in, as it were, one among the crowd, unknown to them, the Lord immediately, in that very one whom He ordered to be cast out from that banquet into the outer darkness with hands and feet bound, did not delay to signify that a great multitude of the wicked was to be understood, among whom the fewer good live in the Lord's banquet. For after He said: "Bind his hands and feet and cast him into the outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," He immediately added: "For many are called, but few are chosen." How is this true, when rather one out of many had been cast into the outer darkness, unless because in that one a great body of all the wicked mingled with the Lord's banquet before the Lord's judgment was being figured?
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a quibus se boni corde interim ac moribus separant, simul manducantes et bibentes corpus et sanguinem domini, sed cum magna distinctione, quia isti in honore sponsi induti sunt ueste nuptiali, non sua quaerentes, sed quae Iesu Christi, illi autem non habent uestem nuptialem, hoc est fidissimam sponsi caritatem, sua quaerentes, non quae Iesu Christi. ac per hoc quamuis in uno eodemque conuiuio isti misericordiam manducant, illi iudicium, quia ipsius conuiuii canticum est quod et supra commemoraui: misericordiam et iudicium cantabo tibi, domine. Nec ideo tamen dormit ecclesiastica disciplina, ut corripiat inquietos. neque enim a populo dei separamus, quos uel degradando uel excommunicando ad humiliorem paenitendi locum redigimus. et ubi hoc facere pacis et tranquillitatis ecclesiae gratia non permittimur, non tamen ideo ecclesiae disciplinam refutamus, sed toleramus quae nolumus, ut perueniamus quo uolumus, utentes cautela praecepti dominici, ne, cum uolumus ante tempora colligere zizania, simul eradicemus et triticum. utentes etiam exemplo et praecepto beati Cypriani, qui collegas suos faeneratores fraudatores raptores pacis contemplatione pertulit tales nec eorum contagione factus est talis.
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from whom the good separate themselves in heart and in conduct in the meantime, while eating and drinking the body and blood of the Lord together, but with a great distinction, because these are clothed in the wedding garment in honor of the bridegroom, seeking not their own but those of Jesus Christ, while those do not have the wedding garment, that is, the most faithful love of the bridegroom, seeking their own and not those of Jesus Christ. And thus, although in one and the same banquet, these eat mercy, those eat judgment, because the song of that banquet itself is what I recalled above: "I will sing mercy and judgment to you, O Lord." Nevertheless, ecclesiastical discipline does not sleep, so that it may correct the restless. For we do not separate from the people of God those whom we reduce, either by degradation or by excommunication, to a lower place of penance. And where we are not permitted to do this for the sake of the peace and tranquility of the Church, we do not, however, reject ecclesiastical discipline, but we tolerate what we do not wish, so that we may reach what we wish, using the caution of the Lord's command, lest, when we wish to gather the tares before the time, we also uproot the wheat. We also use the example and precept of the blessed Cyprian, who endured his colleagues, who were usurers, defrauders, and plunderers, for the sake of peace, and did not become like them by their contagion.
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unde et nos, si triticum sumus, eiusdem beati martyris uerba fidentissime dicimus, quia, etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen inpevdiri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus. haec uerba iustissime ac piissime dicerent maiores nostri. etiamsi Caecilianum et aliquos coepiscopos eius malos uiderent, quos tamen ab ecclesia separare non possent propter illos, quibus mali demonstrari non poterant et eos bonos innocentes putabant. haec uerba omnino dicerent, hoc omnino sentirent, ne, cum uellent temere zizania separare, simul et triticum eradicarent. Quod ergo iussus est quidam propheta nec panem manducare nec aquam bibere in Samaria, quo missus fuerat, ut corriperet eos, qui uaccas constituerant adorandas more idolorum Aegyptiorum, hoc omnino facere debuit quod praeceperat dominus, cui tunc eo' modo illos corripere placuit, ut nihil ibi alimentorum tangeret propheta quem miserat. neque enim in ecclesia non fit cotidie, quando [eos], quos acrius corripimus, etiamsi in eorum possessione sumus, nihil cibi apud eos contingimus, ut sentiant quantum eorum peccata doleamus. numquid tamen ideo etiam plebis discissio facienda est, ut sicut mollis herba indiscrete eradicentur infirmi, qui de cordibus hominum et ignotis factis, etiamsi nobis sint cognita, iudicare non possunt?
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Therefore, if we are wheat, we most confidently speak the words of that same blessed martyr, because, even if tares are seen to be in the Church, yet our faith or our charity ought not to be hindered, so that because we perceive tares in the Church, we ourselves should withdraw from the Church. Our predecessors would most justly and piously have spoken these words, even if they saw Caecilianus and some of his fellow bishops to be evil, whom, however, they could not separate from the Church on account of those to whom the evil could not be demonstrated and who considered them good and innocent. They would have said these words entirely, they would have felt this entirely, lest, while wishing rashly to separate the tares, they should at the same time root up the wheat. Therefore, just as a certain prophet was commanded neither to eat bread nor to drink water in Samaria, whither he had been sent, in order to rebuke those who had set up cows to be worshipped after the manner of the idols of the Egyptians, he ought to have done entirely what the Lord had commanded, who then chose to rebuke them in that way, so that the prophet he had sent should touch no food there. For is this not done daily in the Church, when we, whom we rebuke more sharply, even if we are in their possession, touch nothing of food among them, so that they may feel how much we grieve over their sins? Yet, is a division of the people therefore to be made, so that, like soft grass, the weak, who cannot judge from the hearts of men and from unknown deeds, even if these are known to us, are indiscriminately rooted out?
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nam in ipsa Samaria et Helias et Helisaeus erant, etsi ipsi in solitudine, non tamen deuiantes sacramentorum causa, sed quia persecutionem ab impiis regibus patiebantur. nam illic erant, non utique in solitudine separata, quae ipse ignorabat Helias, septem milia uirorum qui non curuauerunt genua ante Bahal. denique inter praecipuos sanctus habitus Samuhel et grauiter Saulem corripuit et cum eo tamen ad offerendum domino sacrificium sine excusatione perrexit nec peccatorum eius contagione pollutus est, sed omnino mundus meritorum suorum conseruatione permansit. Sed istam nobis quaestionem, quamuis euidenter et in conlatione et modo soluta sit, euidentius tamen soluat Aggaeus, cuius testimonium prae ceteris legerunt, ut solum adhuc pro omnibus iactent. arguit dominus per Aggaeum prophetam populum ex Babylonia residuum, ubi captiuus tenebatur, quod domum domini neglegerent et suas domos excolerent, et dicit propterea se plaga sterilitatis eorum percussisse regionem. tunc Zorobabel filius Salathiel et Iesus filius Iosedec sacerdos magnus et omnis ille populus diuinitus inspiratus operari coepit in domo domini dei sui.
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For in Samaria itself both Elijah and Elisha were present, even if they themselves were in solitude, yet not deviating on account of the sacraments, but because they were suffering persecution from impious kings. For they were there, certainly not in a separate solitude which Elijah himself did not know, seven thousand men who did not bend the knee before Baal. Finally, among the foremost, Samuel was considered a saint and he severely rebuked Saul, and yet with him he went without excuse to offer sacrifice to the Lord, nor was he polluted by the contagion of his sins, but remained entirely pure by the preservation of his own merits. But this question of ours, although it has been clearly resolved both in the conference and just now, let Haggai resolve it even more clearly, whose testimony they read before the others, so that they might still boast of it alone for all. The Lord reproaches through the prophet Haggai the people remaining from Babylon, where they were held captive, because they neglected the house of the Lord and cultivated their own houses, and he says that for this reason he struck their region with a plague of sterility. Then Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Joshua son of Jehozadak the high priest and all that people, divinely inspired, began to work in the house of the Lord their God.
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sic enim eadem scriptura dicit: et suscitauit dominus spiritum Zorobabel filii Salathiel ex tribu Iuda, et spiritum Iesu filii Iosedec sacerdotis magni, et spiritum residuorum omnis populi, et introierunt et faciebant opera in domo domini omnipotentis dei sui, quarta et uicensima mensis sexti, secundo anno sub Dario rege. ecce et dies definitus est, quando intrauerunt ad operandum in domo dei. credo quod illi uiri et ille populus operans in domo dei non erat inmundus, praesertim quia dixerat ei dominus: ego uobiscum et suscitauerat spiritum eorum ad bene operandum in domo sua. denique uidete quid sequitur. contexit enim eadem scriptura et dicit: septimo mense. una et uicensima mensis, locutus est dominus in manu Aggaeiprophetae dicens adZorobabel filium Salathiel ex tribu Iuda, et ad Iesum filium Iosedec sacerdotem magnum, et ad omnem populum residuum dicens: quis ex uobis qui uidit domum hanc in claritate illa sua pristina? et quomodo uidetis eam modo, tamquam non sit in conspectu uestro? et nunc praeuale, Zorobabel, dicit dominus, etpraeuale, Iesus fili Iosedec sacerdos magne, et praeualesce, omnis popule terrae, dicit dominus omnipotens, et spiritus meus praeest in medio uestrum.
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For thus the same Scripture says: "And the Lord roused the spirit of Zorobabel son of Salathiel of the tribe of Judah, and the spirit of Jesus son of Josedec the high priest, and the spirit of the remnant of all the people, and they entered and performed works in the house of the Lord, their almighty God, on the twenty-fourth day of the sixth month, in the second year under King Darius." Behold, even the day is fixed when they entered to work in the house of God. I believe that those men and that people working in the house of God were not unclean, especially since the Lord had said to them: "I am with you," and had roused their spirit to work well in his house. Finally, see what follows. For the same Scripture continues and says: "In the seventh month, on the twenty-first day of the month, the Lord spoke through the hand of the prophet Haggai, saying to Zorobabel son of Salathiel of the tribe of Judah, and to Jesus son of Josedec the high priest, and to all the remnant people: 'Who among you has seen this house in its former glory? And how do you see it now, as if it were not before your eyes? And now prevail, Zorobabel, says the Lord, and prevail, Jesus son of Josedec, high priest, and prevail, all people of the land, says the Lord Almighty, and my spirit is present in your midst.'
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bono animo estote, quoniam haec dicit omnipotens: adhuc semel, commouebo caelum et terram, mare et aridam, et concutiam omnes gentes, et uenient omnia electa gentium, et implebo domum hanc, dicit dominus omnipotens, et cetera quae addit etiam futura prophetans; quae de domini nostri Iesu Christi temporibus rectius intellegi solent, cuius populus uerissimum et sanctissimum est templum dei, non etiam in eis, qui permixti tolerantur, sed in eis solis, qui nunc interim a talibus bene uiuendo spiritaliter separantur, post uero etiam corporaliter separandi sunt. uerumtamen ille populus, cui prophetia ista praenuntiata est et qui tunc operabatur in domo dei, ubi erant et illi duo, Zorobabel filius Salathiel et Iesus filius Iosedec, quomodo sit exhortatus et commendatus a domino, satis in promptu est uidere in bis uerbis prophetae, quae sicut dicta sunt inseruimus. numquidnam ergo istum populum inmundum possumus dicere, ad quem si quis accesserit inquinabitur, cui populo dicitur: et nunc praeuale, Zorobabel, dicit dominus, et praeuale, Iesus filius Iosedec sacerdos magne, et praeualesce, omnis popule terrae, dicit dominus omnipotens, et spiritus meus praeest in medio uestrum? quis dementissimus dixerit istum esse populum, ad quem si quis accesserit inquinabitur?
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Be of good courage, for the Almighty says this: "Once more, I will shake heaven and earth, sea and dry land, and I will shake all nations, and all the chosen of the nations will come, and I will fill this house," says the Lord Almighty, and the rest which he adds, also prophesying future things; which are usually more rightly understood of the times of our Lord Jesus Christ, whose people is the truest and most holy temple of God, not even among those who are tolerated mixed in, but only among those who for now are spiritually separated from such by living well, and later are also to be separated bodily. Nevertheless, that people to whom this prophecy was announced and who were then working in the house of God, where there were also those two, Zorobabel son of Salathiel and Jesus son of Josedec, how they were exhorted and commended by the Lord is sufficiently clear to see in these words of the prophet, which we inserted as they were spoken. Can we therefore call this people unclean, so that if anyone approaches them they will be defiled, to which people it is said: "And now prevail, Zorobabel, says the Lord, and prevail, Jesus son of Josedec, great priest, and prevail, all people of the earth, says the Lord Almighty, and my spirit presides in your midst"? Who would be so insane as to say that this is the people to which if anyone approaches they will be defiled?
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Nunc ergo adtendite, quid post illam prophetiam, quae huic populo de Christi temporibus annuntiata est, consequenter scriptura contexat: quarta et uicensima noni mensis anno secundo sub Dario rege factum est uerbum domini ad Aggaeum prophetam dicens: haec dicit omnipotens: interroga sacerdotes legem dicens: si sumpserit homo carnem sanctificatam in summo uestimenti sui et attigerit summum uestimenti eius panem aut pulmentum aut uinum aut omnem escam, si sanctificabitur? et responderunt sacerdotes et dixerunt: non. et dixit Aggaeus: si tetigerit inquinatus in animam aliquid horum, si inquinabitur? et responderunt sacerdotes et dixerunt: inquinabitur. et respondit Aggaeus et dixit: sic populus hic et gens haec in conspectu meo, dicit dominus, et sic opera manuum ipsorum. et quicumque accesserit illo, inquinabitur propter praesumptiones eorum matutinas a facie laborum suorum, et odio habebatis (in portis) arguentes. quis est iste populus tam inmundus, ut quisquis illo accesserit inquinetur? numquid ille cui dictum est: praeualesce, et spiritus meus in medio uestrum? absit ut ille sit. duo igitur erant, unus inmundus et alter qui ad inmundum prohibetur accedere, qui exhortabatur praeualescere, quia spiritus dei erat in medio eorum.
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Now therefore attend to what the scripture subsequently connects after that prophecy, which was announced to this people concerning the times of Christ: "In the fourth and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year under King Darius, the word of the Lord came to the prophet Haggai, saying: Thus says the Almighty: Ask the priests concerning the law, saying: If a man takes sanctified flesh in the hem of his garment, and the hem of his garment touches bread or stew or wine or any food, will it be sanctified? And the priests answered and said: No. And Haggai said: If one who is unclean in soul touches any of these things, will it be polluted? And the priests answered and said: It will be polluted. And Haggai answered and said: So is this people and this nation in my sight, says the Lord, and so are the works of their hands. And whoever approaches them will be polluted because of their morning presumptions from the face of their labors, and you held in hatred (at the gates) those who reprove. Who is this people so unclean that whoever approaches them is polluted? Is it not that people to whom it was said: Prevail, and my spirit is in your midst? Far be it that it should be that people. Therefore there were two: one unclean, and another who is forbidden to approach the unclean, who exhorted them to prevail, because the spirit of God was in their midst.
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si ergo duo erant, ostendantur et duo templa, unum quo iste, alterum quo ille ingrediebatur; ostendantur et altaria duo, unum in quo iste, alterum in quo ille uictimas offerebat; ostendantur et sacerdotes, huius alii et illius alii, qui pro suo quisque populo separatim sacrificabant. si autem quisquis hoc adfirmare conatur insanit, sic erant isti duo populi in uno populo, sub uno sacerdote magno, unum templum intrantes, sicut erant etiam sub uno Moyse quidam deum offendentes, quidam deo placentes, de quibus dicit apostolus: non in omnibus illis beneplacitum est deo. neque enim ait: 'in omnibus illis non est beneplacitum deo', tamquam omnes displicuerint deo, sed ait: non in omnibus illis beneplacitum est deo, ergo in quibusdam, non in omnibus. et omnes sub eisdem sacerdotibus erant in uno eodemque tabernaculo, in uno eodemque altari hostias offerebant, et tamen distinguebantur, factis non locis, animo non templo, moribus non altaribus. sic alii ad alios non accedebant, ne ab eis inquinarentur, hoc est eorum malis factis non consentiebant, ne pariter damnarentur. non enim et illos malos Moyses tantus propheta nesciebat, quorum impia murmura et horrendas amaritudines cotidie sufferebat. sed istum nescisse faciamus: numquid et Samuhel Saulem nesciebat, quem per os eius aeterna sententia damnauerat deus? uerumtamen et ipsum et sanctum Dauid unum dei tabernaculum intrantes.
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If, therefore, there were two, let two temples also be shown, one into which this one entered, the other into which that one entered; let two altars also be shown, one on which this one, the other on which that one offered victims; let priests also be shown, some of this one and others of that one, who separately sacrificed for their own respective people. But if anyone who tries to affirm this is insane, then these two peoples were in one people, under one high priest, entering one temple, just as there were also under one Moses some who offended God, some who pleased God, concerning whom the apostle says: "Not in all of them was there good pleasure with God." For he does not say: 'In all of them there was no good pleasure with God,' as if all displeased God, but he says: "Not in all of them was there good pleasure with God," therefore in some, not in all. And all were under the same priests in one and the same tabernacle, offered sacrifices on one and the same altar, and yet they were distinguished by deeds, not by places; by spirit, not by temple; by customs, not by altars. Thus some did not approach others, lest they be polluted by them, that is, they did not consent to their evil deeds, lest they be equally condemned. For not even did Moses, such a great prophet, not know those evil ones, whose impious murmurings and horrible bitterness he daily endured. But let us suppose that he did not know them: did Samuel not know Saul, whom God, through his mouth, had condemned by an eternal sentence? Nevertheless, both he and the holy David entered one tabernacle of God.
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inter eadem sacrificia uidebat, sed distincte utique uidebat, quia distinctos uidebat et unum eorum in aeternum amabat, alium pro tempore tolerabat. sic et Aggaeus nouerat in uno populo duos populos unum templum intrantes, sub uno magno sacerdote uiuentes, et alterum ostendebat inmundum, alterum ad inmundum accedere prohibebat, et tamen nec illos nec se ipsum ab eodem templo et ab eisdem altaribus separabat. ergo spiritalem prohibebat accessum consensionemque factorum, quod et ipsa uerba clamant, si aures adsint, quas animositas furiosa non claudat aut strepitus uanae contentionis (non) impediat. ait enim propheta: omnis qui accesserit illo inquinabitur. uitium notauit quo accedi prohibuit, non homines ab hominibus corporali disiunctione seclusit. acceditur autem ad uitium corruptionis uitio consensionis.
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among the same sacrifices, but he saw them distinctly, of course, because he saw them as distinct, and he loved one of them eternally, while tolerating the other for a time. So too Haggai knew that within one people there were two peoples entering one temple, living under one high priest, and he pointed out one as unclean, and forbade the other to approach the unclean one, and yet he separated neither them nor himself from the same temple and the same altars. Therefore, he forbade spiritual approach and agreement in deeds, which the very words proclaim, if ears are present which furious animosity does not close or the noise of vain contention does not hinder. For the prophet says: "Everyone who approaches him will be defiled." He noted the fault on account of which he forbade approach, not that he shut off people from people by physical separation. Moreover, one approaches the fault of corruption through the fault of agreement.
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Ac ne quisquam diceret illum populum, cui primo dictum est: praeualesce, quoniam spiritus meus praeest in medio uestrum, paucis interpositis diebus in deterius commutatum, ut audire mereretur: sic populus iste et gens ista, omnis qui accesserit illo inquinab : tur — dies enim ferme nonaginta conputantur inter uerba illa, quae bona in populum dicta sunt, et ista, quibus eius inmunditia uitanda praecipitur —, ne quis ergo hoc putaret bonum illum populum quamuis hoc paruo temporis interuallo tam pessimum effectum, uidete quid sequitur, adtendite quid dicatur eo ipso die, hoc est uicensima et quarta noni mensis, quo die dictum est: sic populus iste et gens ista, omnis qui accesserit illo inquinabitur. cum enim hoc dixisset et mala eorum commemorasset, quorum merito demonstrarentur inmundi, addens etiam et dicens: odio habebatis in portis arguentes, continuo subiunxit: et nunc ponite in cordibus uestris a die hoc et supra, prius, quam poneretur lapis super lapidem in templo domini, qui eratis cum mittebatis in capsella hordei uiginti sata, et fiebant decem sata, et in tra batis in torcular exhaurire quinquaginta amphoras, et fiebant uiginti. percussi uos infecunditate, et uenti corruptione et grandine omnia opera uestra, et non estis conuersi ad me, dicit dominus.
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And lest anyone should say that the people to whom it was first said, "Prevail, for my spirit is present among you," were changed for the worse after a few intervening days, so that they deserved to hear, "Thus this people and this nation, everyone who approaches there will be defiled"—for about ninety days are counted between those words spoken well of the people and these words by which their uncleanness is commanded to be avoided—lest anyone, therefore, should think that good people had become so utterly wicked in this short interval of time, see what follows, attend to what is said on that very day, that is, the twenty-fourth of the ninth month, on which day it was said: "Thus this people and this nation, everyone who approaches there will be defiled." For when he had said this and had recounted their evils, by whose merit they were shown to be unclean, adding also and saying, "You hated those who reproved you at the gates," he immediately subjoined: "And now set in your hearts from this day onward, before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, you who were when you put twenty sata of barley in the chest, and ten sata were produced, and you drew out fifty amphorae at the winepress, and twenty were produced. I struck you with barrenness, and with the corruption of the wind and hail all your works, and you did not turn to me," says the Lord.
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constituite igitur corda uestra a die hoc et deinceps, a quarta et uicensima noni mensis, et a die qua fundatum est templum domini ponite in cordibus uestris, si adhuc cognoscetur in area, aut si uitis aut malum aut ficus et malum granatum et ligna oleae quae non fecerunt fructum. a die hoc benedicam. ecce ipso die etiam benedici meruerunt. benedictio ergo haec puto quod non pertineat ad illos, ad quorum inmunditiam prohibet accedi, sed ad illos bonos, qui prohibentur accedere. in uno ergo fuerunt et permixti et separati, permixti quidem corporali tactu, separati autem uoluntatis abscessu. sed more suo scriptura loquitur, quae sic arguit malos, tamquam omnes in eo populo mali sint, et sic consolatur bonos, tamquam omnes ibi tales sint. pro nobis ergo episcopi uestri etiam in eo, quod post conlationem uicti scripsisse dicuntur, Aggaei prophetiam posuerunt, unde nos commemorarent euidentius probare quod dicimus, quia et in uno populo, in uno templo, sub eisdem sacerdotibus, inter eadem sacramenta hominibus dissimili uoluntate uiuentibus et diuersis moribus discrepantibus nec causae causa nec personae potest praeiudicare persona.
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Therefore, set your hearts from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth of the ninth month, and from the day the temple of the Lord was founded, place in your hearts whether the threshing-floor will still be recognized, or whether the vine, the apple, the fig, the pomegranate, and the olive trees that bore no fruit. From this day I will bless. Behold, on that very day they also deserved to be blessed. Therefore, I think this blessing does not pertain to those whose uncleanness forbids approach, but to those good ones who are forbidden to approach. Thus, they were both united and separated in one body—united indeed by physical contact, but separated by a withdrawal of will. But Scripture speaks in its customary manner, which rebukes the wicked as if all in that people are wicked, and consoles the good as if all there are such. Therefore, on our behalf, your bishops, even in what they are said to have written after being defeated in the conference, placed the prophecy of Haggai, by which they might remind us to prove more clearly what we say: that even in one people, in one temple, under the same priests, amid the same sacraments, with men living by dissimilar will and differing in diverse customs, neither can a cause prejudice a cause, nor a person prejudice a person.
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Illud etiam quod ex apostoli epistula scriptis suis etiam modo commemorant, ubi ait: nolite iugum ducere cum -infidelibus; quae enim participatio luci ad tenebras? et cetera, quae supra commemorauimus et quomodo recte intellegerentur ostendimus, quid aliud agunt, nisi ut nos commemorent, quibus hoc apostolus scripserit? in eodem quippe ipso populo Corinthiorum quod dicimus demonstramus, ne forte arbitrentur prophetarum tantummodo moris fuisse et non ad noui testamenti, sed ad ueteris consuetudinem pertinere sic arguere reprehensibiles, quasi omnes in eo populo arguantur, et sic adloqui laudabiles, quasi omnes ibi laudentur. ecce et ad Corinthios sic apostolus loquitur: Paulus uocatus apostolus Christi Iesu per uoluntatem dei et Sosthenes frater ecclesiae dei quae est Corinthi, sanctificatis in Christo Iesu, uocatis sanctis, cum omnibus qui inuocant nomen domini nostri Iesu Christi in omni loco, ipsorum et nostro: gratia uobis et pax a deo patre nostro et domino Iesu Christo. gratias ago deo meo semper pro uobis in gratia dei quae data est uobis in Christo Iesu, quia in omnibus diuites facti estis in illo, in omni uerbo et in omni scientia, sicut testimonium Christi confirmatum est in uobis, ita ut nihil uobis desit in ulla gratia.
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That also which they cite from the apostle’s epistle in their own writings, where he says: “Do not bear the yoke with unbelievers; for what participation has light with darkness?” and the rest, which we have mentioned above and have shown how they should be rightly understood—what else do they do but remind us to whom the apostle wrote this? For in that same people of the Corinthians we demonstrate what we say, lest they perhaps think that it was only the custom of the prophets and pertains not to the New Testament but to the Old Testament to rebuke the blameworthy in such a way as if all in that people are rebuked, and to address the praiseworthy in such a way as if all there are praised. Behold, the apostle speaks thus to the Corinthians: “Paul, called apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes, brother of the church of God which is at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all who invoke the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, both theirs and ours: grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I give thanks to my God always for you in the grace of God which has been given to you in Christ Jesus, because you have been made rich in all things in him, in every word and in all knowledge, just as the testimony of Christ has been confirmed in you, so that you lack nothing in any grace.
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quis haec audiens credat in ecclesia Corinthiorum esse aliquos reprobos, quandoquidem uerba ista sic sonant, uelut ad omnes directa sit ista laudatio? et tamen paulo post dicit: obsecro autem, fratres, ut id ipsum dicatis omnes, et non sint in uobis schismata. rursus tamquam in hoc horrendo uitio uelut omnes arguens atque increpans dicit: diuisus est Christus? numquid Paulus crucifixus est pro uobis, aut in nomine Pauli baptizati estis? puto autem eos, qui in eo populo dicebant: ego sum Christi, non duxisse iugum cum eis, qui dicebant: ego sum Pauli, ego autem Apollo, ego uero Cephae, et tamen omnes ad unum altare accedebant, et eadem sacramenta communicabant qui eadem uitia non communicabant. his enim Corinthiis etiam illud dictum est: qui manducat et bibit indigne iudicium sibi manducat et bibit. quid enim aliud apostolus nisi istos uaniloquos cogitabat, ut ei non sufficeret dicere: iudicium manducat et bibit, nisi adderet 'sibi\\ ne hoc etiam ad illos pertineret qui pariter quidem, sed non iudicium manducabant?
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Who, hearing this, would believe that there were any reprobates in the church of the Corinthians, since these words sound as if this praise were addressed to all? And yet a little later he says: "But I beseech you, brothers, that you all say the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you." Again, as if rebuking and reproaching everyone for this horrible vice, he says: "Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you, or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" But I think that those among that people who said "I am of Christ" did not bear the yoke with those who said "I am of Paul," "I am of Apollo," "I am of Cephas," and yet all approached the same altar and communicated in the same sacraments, even though they did not share the same vices. For to these Corinthians it was also said: "He who eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks judgment to himself." For what else was the apostle thinking of but these vain talkers, so that it was not enough for him to say "eats and drinks judgment" unless he added "to himself," lest this also pertain to those who, though partaking equally, did not eat judgment?
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In ipsis etiam Corinthiis ibi erant, qui non credebant resurrectionem mortuorum, quae singularis fides est christianorum, quod eis ita dicit apostolus: si autem Christus praedicatur quod resurrexit a mortuis, quomodo dicunt quidam in uobis quia resurrectio mortuorum non est? non dixit (in hac terra' uel (in hoc mundo', sed in uobis' inquit. neque enim posset de Christi resurrectione praescribere nisi iam utique christianis, quibus de ipsa resurrectione Christi dicit: sic praedicamus et sic credidistis. nunc adtendamus uerba illa, quibus Corinthiorum ecclesiam in epistulae principio sic laudat, ut dicat: gratias ago deo meo semper pro uobis in gratia dei quae data est uobis in Christo Iesu, quia in omnibus diuites facti estis in illo, in omni uerbo et in omni scientia, sicut testimonium Christi confirmatum est in uobis, ita ut nihil uobis desit in ulla gratia. ecce sic erant ditati in Christo in omni uerbo et in omni scientia, ita eis nihil deerat in ulla gratia, ut in illis essent, qui resurrectionem mortuorum adhuc usque non crederent. puto autem quod isti, quibus nihil deerat in ulla gratia, non ducebant iugum cum eis, qui resurrecturos mortuos non credebant. ecce quomodo non ducunt iugum cum infidelibus (fideles), quamuis eidem populo misceantur et sub eisdem sacerdotibus eisdem sacramentis inbuantur.
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Even among those same Corinthians there were those who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead, which is the singular faith of Christians, as the apostle says to them: "But if Christ is preached as having risen from the dead, how is it that some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" He did not say "in this land" or "in this world," but "among you," he says. For he could not have prescribed concerning the resurrection of Christ except to those who were already Christians, to whom he says concerning the resurrection of Christ itself: "Thus we preach and thus you have believed." Now let us attend to those words with which he praises the church of the Corinthians at the beginning of the epistle, saying: "I give thanks to my God always for you in the grace of God which has been given to you in Christ Jesus, because you have been made rich in all things in him, in every word and in every knowledge, as the testimony of Christ has been confirmed in you, so that you lack nothing in any grace." Behold, they were so enriched in Christ in every word and in every knowledge, so that they lacked nothing in any grace, that among them there were those who still did not believe in the resurrection of the dead. I think, however, that those who lacked nothing in any grace did not bear the yoke with those who did not believe that the dead would rise. Behold, how the faithful do not bear the yoke with the unfaithful, although they are mixed with the same people and are initiated under the same priests with the same sacraments.
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Denique ipse apostolus, ne huic infidelitati consentirent, quorum iam fides tenebat resurrectionem mortuorum, non eis praecepit corporalem separationem; multi quippe erant, non sicut ille unus qui uxorem patris sui habuit, quem liberiore correptione et excommunicatione iudicat dignum; longe aliter iste, aliter uitiosa curanda et sananda est multitudo, ne forte, si plebs a plebe separetur, per schismatis nefas etiam triticum eradicetur. eos ergo, qui iam credebant resurrectionem mortuorum, ab his, qui eam in eodem populo non credebant, non corporaliter apostolus separat, sed tamen spiritaliter separare non cessat dicens: nolite seduci; corrumpunt mores bonos conloquia mala. non eorum congressum, sed consensum timet, ne malis conloquiis adcommodent fidem, quae corrumpunt mores bonos; moribus ergo eos, non altaribus admonet separari. postremo, antequam eis haec apostolus scriberet, in eadem ecclesia erant, qui resurrectionem mortuorum non credebant, in qua erant quibus nihil deerat in ulla gratia, et illi istos infidelitate Sua non inquinabant, quia isti illis ad eandem infidelitatem non consentiebant. ecce quomodo illo non acceditur, ne quisquis accesserit inquinetur; ecce quomodo nulla participatio est lumini ad tenebras; ecce quomodo, quamuis intra eadem retia natent pisces utrique, nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae.
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Finally, the apostle himself, lest they consent to this unfaithfulness—those whose faith already held to the resurrection of the dead—did not command them a physical separation; for there were many, not like that one man who had his father’s wife, whom he judged worthy of a freer reproof and excommunication; far otherwise is that one, far otherwise must a faulty multitude be treated and healed, lest, if the people be separated from the people, even the wheat be uprooted through the sin of schism. Therefore, those who already believed in the resurrection of the dead, from those who in the same people did not believe it, the apostle does not separate physically, but yet he does not cease to separate them spiritually, saying: "Do not be led astray; evil conversations corrupt good morals." He fears not their meeting, but their consent, lest they lend faith to evil conversations, which corrupt good morals; thus he admonishes them to be separated by morals, not by altars. Finally, before the apostle wrote these things to them, in the same church there were those who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead, in which there were those to whom nothing was lacking in any grace, and those did not defile these with their unfaithfulness, because these did not consent to them in that same unfaithfulness. Behold how that one is not approached, lest whoever approaches be defiled; behold how there is no participation of light with darkness; behold how, although both kinds of fish swim within the same nets, neither does cause prejudice cause nor person prejudice person.
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Quod cum ita sit, quae tam cruda stultitia, quis tam ferreus cordis somnus non excutiatur possitque aliquando sentire Caeciliani causam catholico orbi terrarum, cui non communicat pars Donati, praeiudicare non posse, si non praeiudicat parti Donati causa Maximiani uel potius causa Feliciani et Primiani modo coniunctorum, paulo ante inuicem damnatorum? sufficit certe, ut secundum ipsos loquamur, quod pisces mali sub fluctibus latitantes ignaros non polluunt piscatores, quamuis non sit de piscatoribus quaestio, quos fortasse in illa similitudine dominus angelos intellegi uoluit. magis enim ad- õ tendendum est intra ipsa retia pisces bonos a malis non posse maculari. neque enim et ipsi non uident inuicem simul natantes, sicut a piscatoribus intra aquam positi non uidentur. sed, ut dixi, sufficit causae nostrae, quod mali non polluunt, quorum mala facta nesciuntur.
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Since this is the case, what so raw a stupidity, what so iron a sleep of the heart cannot be shaken off, so that one might at last perceive that the case of Caecilianus cannot prejudice the Catholic world, with which the Donatist party does not communicate, if the case of Maximianus—or rather the case of Felicianus and Primianus, now joined together, though shortly before they had mutually condemned each other—does not prejudice the Donatist party? It is certainly sufficient, to speak in their own terms, that bad fish lurking under the waves do not pollute fishermen who are unaware of them, although the question is not about the fishermen, whom perhaps in that similitude the Lord intended to be understood as angels. For it is more to be attended to that within the nets themselves good fish cannot be stained by bad ones. For they themselves do not see each other swimming together, just as they are not seen by fishermen placed within the water. But, as I have said, it is sufficient for our case that the wicked do not pollute those whose evil deeds are unknown.
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Fuerunt quidam tempore Caeciliani beati pacifici, qui eum, etiamsi innocens non esset, scientes pro catholica unitate tolerarent (et), cum eum uiderent tot ignotis gentibus, per quas ipsa unitas dilatatur, sacramentorum participandorum communione cohaerere eisque talem non posse monstrari, qualem ipsi eum esse cognoscerent, ipsi se contra istas calumnias defenderent uerbis beati et pacifici Cypriani clamarentque fidenter et dicerent: ideo propter Caecilianum non deserimus unitatem, quia, etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus\\ istorum pacificae patientiae conueniret praeclarissima laus illa, qua laudatur angelus ecclesiae quae est Ephesi, quem nemo recte intellegens dubitat ipsius ecclesiae gestare personam, cui dicit in Apocalypsi spiritus: scio opera tua et laborem et patientiam, et quia non potes sustinere malos, et tę.mptasti eos qui se dicunt apostolos esse et non sunt, et inuenisti eos mendaces; et patientiam habes, et sustinuisti eos propter nomen meum, et non defecisti.
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There were certain peaceable men in the time of the blessed Caecilianus who, even if he were not innocent, knowing this, would tolerate him for the sake of catholic unity; and when they saw him, through so many unknown peoples among whom that unity itself is spread, cohering with them by the communion of participating in the sacraments, and that such a man as they themselves knew him to be could not be shown to them, they would defend themselves against these calumnies with the words of the blessed and peaceable Cyprian, and would cry out confidently and say: therefore we do not abandon unity on account of Caecilianus, because, even if there appear to be tares in the Church, nevertheless neither our faith nor our charity ought to be hindered, so that, because we perceive there are tares in the Church, we ourselves should depart from the Church. To this peaceable patience of theirs would befit that most illustrious praise with which the angel of the Church which is at Ephesus is praised, whom no one understanding rightly doubts bears the person of that Church itself, to whom the Spirit says in the Apocalypse: I know your works and your labor and your patience, and that you cannot bear the wicked, and you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and you have found them liars; and you have patience, and you have borne them for my name's sake, and you have not failed.
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sic illi laudentur, qui in ista uita Caeciliani tempore fuerunt, qui propter nomen domini, quod sicut unguentum effusum per innumerabiles gentes toto iam orbe fragrabat, non deficerent, patientissime sustinendo etiam quem malum nossent, si malus ille esset, qui eorum iudicio aliis demonstrari et ab eis auelli separarique non posset. nostra alia causa est; arrogare nobis laudem huius patientiae non debemus. non enim possumus dicere nos pro pace tolerasse, quod ad nostram cognitionem prorsus non potuit peruenire. nobis Caeciliani causa sub fluctibus fuit. uox nostra talis est, qualis christianarum gentium ceterarum, contra quas isti non inuenerunt omnino quod dicerent. uerumtamen ignotam Caeciliani causam recte credimus bonam, quem semel inimicorum factione damnatum, ipsis autem accusantibus tertio legimus absolutum. aut credant isti centum ferme episcopis partis Donati de criminibus Primiani, et tunc nos cogant credere septuaginta maioribus suis de criminibus Caeciliani. quod autem dicunt Caecilianum obiecta sibi in illo concilio crimina, cum absens fuerit, tacendo firmasse, firmauit ergo et Primianus crimina, quae a centum episcopis sibi obiecta nec postea saltem ostenditur diluisse.
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Thus let those be praised who lived in the time of Caecilianus, who, for the sake of the Lord’s name, which like a poured-out ointment was already fragrant throughout the whole world among innumerable nations, would not fail, most patiently enduring even one whom they knew to be evil, if that man were evil, who could not be shown to others by their judgment and be torn away and separated from them. Our case is different; we ought not arrogate to ourselves the praise of this patience. For we cannot say that we tolerated for the sake of peace what could not possibly have come to our knowledge. For us, the case of Caecilianus was beneath the waves. Our voice is such as that of the other Christian peoples, against whom these men found nothing at all to say. Nevertheless, we rightly believe the unknown case of Caecilianus to be good, whom, once condemned by the faction of his enemies, we read was thrice acquitted by the very same accusers. Or let these men believe the approximately one hundred bishops of the Donatist party concerning the crimes of Primianus, and then let them compel us to believe their seventy elders concerning the crimes of Caecilianus. But as for what they say, that Caecilianus, by being silent when absent, confirmed the crimes charged against him in that council, then Primianus also confirmed the crimes charged against him by one hundred bishops, which he is not even shown to have refuted afterwards.
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Sed uidelicet nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae, ne pars Donati minuatur, praeiudicat autem, ut Christi hereditas diuidatur. an uero Caeciliani causa non praeiudicat unitati catholicae, quam tenemus et cuius societate gaudemus, cum fuerit Caecilianus Carthaginiensis episcopus, et praeiudicat ei causa Nouelli Tizicensis, Faustini Tuburbitani, quos nec accusandos postea sicut Caecilianum Felicemque putauerunt, quorum nomina, immo uero ipsarum in quibus fuerunt ciuitatum nomina nec uniuersae Africae nota sunt aut fortasse nec uniuersali proconsulari prouinciae? ecce quorum pisciculorum, etiamsi mali fuerunt, tam in profundo latentium causam uolunt praeiudicare causae tantae piscationis, cuius plena retia toto orbe diffusa sunt, qui piscibus iuxta natantibus uix noti esse potuerunt. cur autem non credamus etiam istos innocentes fuisse, quando nec accusari ab eis, sicut dixi, postea meruerunt et ille purgari potuit, quem maiores eorum malorum omnium fontem in concilii illius inimica conspiratione dixerunt?
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But obviously neither does a cause prejudice a cause, nor a person a person, so that the Donatist party may be diminished; rather, it prejudices so that Christ’s inheritance may be divided. Or does the cause of Caecilianus not prejudice the Catholic unity, which we hold and whose fellowship we enjoy, since Caecilianus was bishop of Carthage, and yet the cause of Novellus of Tizica and Faustinus of Tuburbo does prejudice it—men whom they later did not even think to accuse as they did Caecilianus and Felix, whose names, or rather the names of the cities in which they were, are not known to all Africa, or perhaps not even to the whole proconsular province? Behold, these little fish, even if they were bad, lying hidden in such deep water, they want the cause of such a great fishing to be prejudiced by them—a fishing whose full nets have been spread throughout the whole world, and which could scarcely be known to fish swimming nearby. But why should we not believe that even these men were innocent, when, as I said, they later did not even deserve to be accused by them, and that man could be cleared whom their elders, in the hostile conspiracy of that council, called the source of all evils?
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Sed qualescumque isti fuerunt, ad nos quid pertinet? neque enim uere non nobis concedunt, ut istorum nescio quorum causa atque persona non praeiudicet causae atque personae ecclesiae catholicae, si nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae; et tamen obiciunt nobis, ut adhuc uos seducant, quod aurum iudici dederimus, ut pro nobis contra illos sententiam diceret. uos dicite, si potestis, quantum dare debuerimus electis defensoribus episcopis uestris, ut tanta contra se pro nobis uel dicerent uel proferrent, ut sic agerent causam nostram, sic perimerent suam. quanti emere debuimus, ut post uerba Primiani, quibus dixerat: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum, uenirent tamen et in unum nobiscum, quod indignum esse dixerant, conuenirent? quanti emere debuimus, ut more forensium aduocatorum de temporibus et diebus, de personis etiam nobis praescribere conarentur et sic omnibus hominibus, etiam illis qui nostras disputationes intellegere non possent, satis aperte monstrarent quam malam causam haberent, quam proferre et agere sic timebant apud eum iudicem, cuius erga se benignitatem atque iustitiam tanto praeconio laudauerant et cuius motum aduersum se nullum adhuc senserant?
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But whatever sort of men they were, what is that to us? For they do not truly deny to us that the cause and person of these unknown individuals does not prejudice the cause and person of the Catholic Church, if neither cause prejudices cause nor person prejudices person; and yet they still cast it up to us, in order to deceive you, that we gave gold to the judge so that he would pronounce sentence for us against them. Tell us, if you can, how much we ought to have given to the chosen defenders, your bishops, so that they would say or bring forward so much against themselves and for us, so that they would plead our cause and destroy their own in this way. How much ought we to have paid, so that after the words of Primianus, in which he said: "It is unworthy that the sons of martyrs and the offspring of traitors should come together," they would nevertheless come together with us into one, which they had said was unworthy? How much ought we to have paid, so that, in the manner of forensic advocates, they would attempt to prescribe to us concerning times and days, and also concerning persons, and thus show clearly enough to all men, even to those who could not understand our disputations, how bad a cause they had, which they feared to bring forward and plead before that judge, whose kindness and justice towards themselves they had praised with such great acclaim, and whose hostility towards themselves they had not yet felt?
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quanti emere debuimus, ut ipsi deinde exigerent non secum agi debere forensibus formulis, sed diuinis potius testimoniis, et de scripturis sanctis similiter se responsuros esse promitterent et, cum mandatum concilii catholici, quod obtuleramus, recitatum esset atque in eo ipsis etiam confitentibus claruisset nos ecclesiae catholicae (causam) testimoniis sanctarum scripturarum agere noluisse, rursus tamquam obliti, quid sibi placere dixissent, ad easdem forenses praescriptiones perplexis et odiosis contentionibus remearent? Quanti emere debuimus, ut suscriptionum nostrarum, quae in eodem mandato demonstrabantur, numerositate commoti exigerent totius concilii nostri praesentiam, ex quo concilio non nisi decem et octo secundum edictum cognitoris aderamus, et quaestionem falsitatis inferrent, quod alii pro aliis subpositi suscribere potuerunt?
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How much should we have paid, so that they themselves would then demand that the case should not be conducted by forensic formulas, but rather by divine testimonies, and would promise that they too would respond from the holy scriptures; and when the mandate of the Catholic council, which we had offered, had been read out, and it had become clear in it, even with them confessing, that we had not wished to conduct the case of the Catholic Church by testimonies of the holy scriptures, they would again, as if forgetful of what they had said pleased them, return to the same forensic prescriptions with perplexing and odious contentions? How much should we have paid, so that, moved by the number of our subscriptions, which were shown in the same mandate, they would demand the presence of our entire council, from which council only eighteen of us were present according to the judge's edict, and would bring a charge of falsity, that others could have subscribed in place of others?
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sic enim peruentum est, ut eorum quoque numerus recenseretur et ipsi in ea falsitate deprehenderentur, cuius in nos suspicionem intendere uoluerunt, ita ut non solum quidam in eorum mandato legerentur suscripsisse pro absentibus qui nec Carthaginem uenerant, uerum etiam quendam recitatum et non respondentem, cum in itinere defecisse dixissent quaesitumque ab eis esset, quomodo apud Carthaginem suscribere potuerit qui in itinere iam defecerat, post magnas angustias perturbationis atque inconstantis et uariae responsionis suae non uenientem, sed posteaquam suscripsit, ad propria remeantem in itinere defecisse adseuerarent. deinde sub diuina testificatione interrogati, utrum eum constaret fuisse Carthagini, uehementius perturbati dicerent: 'quid, si alius se pro eodem opposuit?,' atque ita uerbis suis falsitatem, quam nobis obiecerant, in suo mandato apparuisse et conuictam claruisse firmarent.
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Thus it came about that their number too was reviewed, and they themselves were caught in the very falsehood which they had wished to cast suspicion upon us, so that not only were certain persons read in their mandate as having subscribed for absentees who had not even come to Carthage, but also, when a certain man was read out and did not respond, and they said he had died on the journey, and it was asked of them how he could have subscribed at Carthage if he had already died on the journey, after great distress of their confusion and their inconsistent and varied response, they insisted not that he had not come, but that after he had subscribed, while returning to his own place, he had died on the journey. Then, when questioned under divine testimony whether it was established that he had been at Carthage, they were more vehemently disturbed and said, “What if someone else put himself forward in his place?” And thus by their own words they confirmed that the falsehood which they had charged against us had appeared and been proven in their own mandate.
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Quanti emere debuimus, ut, cum uellent de . numerositate gloriari, etiam in hoc mendacia sua proderent? nam cum aliquanto amplior nostrorum numerus adfuisset dictumque a nobis esset alios centum ferme episcopos catholicos partim senectute, partim ualetudine, partim diuersis necessitatibus impeditos non uenisse Carthaginem, illi hoc audito multo plures suos non uenisse dixerunt; sicut etiam nunc plus quam quadringentos per totam Africam se esse iactantes obliti sunt, quod in sua notoria posuerunt, usque adeo se omnes uenisse Carthaginem, ut eis solis exceptis, quos uel in propriis sedibus uel in itinere tenuit corporis aegritudo, . nec grauissimos senes annositas et labor prolixi itineris potuerit impedire. et lectae sunt in mandato eorum suscriptiones, sicut facta supputatione respondit officium, ducentae septuaginta nouem, adnumeratis etiam his, in quibus falsitas deprehensa est et qui pro absentibus suscripserant, quod aegritudine detenti non potuerint uenire Carthaginem. quomodo ergo uerum est plures quadringentis eos esse, quando illos solos Carthaginem non uenisse dixerunt, quos ualetudo corporis impediuit, cum et pro ipsis quibusdam alii suscripserunt, ut non dicamus hoc pro omnibus aegrotantibus esse factum? an forte sic eos inuaserat pestilentia, ut eorum tertiam partem repente prosterneret?
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How much should we have paid, that when they wished to boast of their numbers, they might also in this matter expose their own lies? For when a somewhat larger number of our own had been present, and it had been said by us that about a hundred other Catholic bishops, partly hindered by old age, partly by ill health, partly by various necessities, had not come to Carthage, upon hearing this they said that far more of their own had not come; just as even now, boasting that they are more than four hundred throughout all Africa, they forgot what they had set down in their own mandate, namely that all of them had come to Carthage to such an extent that, with the sole exception of those whom either in their own sees or on the journey bodily illness had detained, not even the most grievous old age and the labor of a long journey could hinder them. And their subscriptions were read in their mandate, and when the count was made, the office replied that there were two hundred and seventy-nine, including even those in whom falsehood was detected and who had subscribed for absentees, whom illness had prevented from coming to Carthage. How then is it true that they are more than four hundred, when they said that only those whom bodily illness hindered had not come to Carthage, and even for some of these others subscribed, not to mention that this was done for all the sick? Or had pestilence so suddenly struck them down that it prostrated a third part of them?
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sic autem a primate suo per tractoriam fuerant euocati, quo praetermissis omnibus properarent conuenire Carthaginem, ut scirent se decepisse quod haberent optimum in causa, quicumque uenire noluissent. hoc erat uidelicet optimum in causa, ut ingens eorum numerus appareret, quasi tanto plus prosit ad aliquid facilius inueniendum, quanto maior » fuerit quaerentium multitudo caecorum. Quanti emere debuimus, ut in diem perendinum utrisque nostrum consentientibus cognitione dilata pridie per notoriam peterent, ut sibi nostrum mandatum ab officio ederetur, quo instructi adesse possent, causantes quod conscribendis gestis tam angusto tempore occurrere non posset officium? sic enim factum est, ut sequenti die cognitionis, quamuis iustam peterent (et) acciperent dilationem, qui considerata causa, quae mandato nostro tota continebatur, magnas patiebantur angustias, conuincerentur tamen contra suos uenire consensus. quid enim iustius quam petere dilationem tanta ueritatis firmitate turbatos? quod eis utinam profuisset, ut considerato mandato nostro, cui respondere minime potuerunt, corrigere potius prauitatem quam in deterius augere maluissent.
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But they had been summoned by their primate through a tractatorial letter, so that, setting everything else aside, they would hasten to assemble at Carthage, in order that they might know they had deceived themselves regarding what was best in their case, whoever had been unwilling to come. This, of course, was what was best in their case: that their vast number should appear, as if a greater multitude of blind seekers were proportionally more helpful for finding something more easily. How much should we have paid, so that on the following day, with both sides consenting, the hearing having been postponed, they would request on the previous day through a notice that our mandate be published for them by the official staff, so that, thus informed, they could be present, alleging that the official staff could not manage to draw up the proceedings in such a short time? For it happened that on the following day of the hearing, although they justly sought and received a postponement—those who, having considered the case, which was entirely contained in our mandate, were suffering great distress—they were nevertheless convicted of coming against their own. For what is more just than to seek a postponement when disturbed by such firmness of truth? Would that it had profited them, so that, having considered our mandate, to which they were utterly unable to respond, they might have preferred to correct their perversity rather than to increase it for the worse.
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iuste itaque dilationem petebant, sed pridie non debuerunt in notoria sua dicere ideo sibi nostrum edi debere mandatum, ut parati ad diem constitutum uenirent, quia exceptores occurrere cum gestorum conscriptione non possent, et ipso actionis die rursus de ipsis exceptoribus, quia non occurrerant, uelle causari quid eos ad hoc conpulit nisi uehemens perturbatio, cum uiderent sic a nobis esse actam causam in conscriptione mandati, ut responsionem inuenire non possent? nam illud quanti emendum fuit, ut ipsam peterent dilationem et acciperent sex dierum, ut nemo posset eos dicere angustia temporis impeditos non potuisse nostro respondere mandato? Ipso uero tertio nostrae conlationis die quanti emendum fuit, quod inanissimis et superuacuis morarum interpositionibus se omni modo peruenire ad causam nolle monstrabant et, quam malam causam haberent, ipso suo timore clamabant, quamquam eorum timor etiam in testimonium manifestissimae uocis erupit, quando dixerunt: 'sensim inducimur in causam' et alio loco: 'peruidet', inquiunt, 'potestas tua sensim nos in causae interna deduci'? o uiolentia ueritatis quolibet eculeo, quibuslibet ungulis fortior ad exprimendam confessionem! congregantur ex uniuersa Africa tot episcopi, ingrediuntur Carthaginem cum tanta speciosi agminis pompa, ut tam magnae ciuitatis oculos in se intentionemque conuertant.
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Therefore, they were justly seeking a postponement, but on the previous day they ought not to have said in their notoria that our mandate should be read to them so that they might come prepared on the appointed day, because the notaries could not appear with the written record of the proceedings, and on the very day of the action, again concerning those same notaries, because they had not appeared, they wished to raise a complaint—what compelled them to this except vehement agitation, when they saw that the case had been conducted by us in the writing of the mandate in such a way that they could find no response? For how valuable it was that they sought that postponement and received six days, so that no one could say they were prevented by lack of time from being able to respond to our mandate! On the third day of our conference itself, how valuable it was that, by the most empty and superfluous interposition of delays, they showed in every way that they did not wish to come to the case, and they proclaimed by their very fear how bad a case they had, although their fear also burst forth into the testimony of a most evident voice, when they said: 'We are being gradually led into the case,' and in another place: 'Your power sees that we are being gradually led into the inner part of the case.' O violence of truth, stronger than any rack, any claws, for extracting confession! So many bishops from all over Africa gather, they enter Carthage with such pomp of a splendid column that they turn the eyes and attention of so great a city upon themselves.
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qui loquantur pro omnibus eliguntur ab omnibus, locus etiam re tanta dignus in urbe media procuratur, utrique conueniunt, iudex praesto est, tabulae patent, suspensa omnium corda exitum tantae conlationis expectant. tunc a lectissimis et disertissimis uiris, quantis uiribus agi debuit aliquid, tantis agitur ut agatur nihil. quaerunt personas forensi more discutere, in qua quaestione annosa etiam tempora litigatores conterere consuerunt. ista quippe actione catholicos mandatum suum diuinis potius testimoniis quam forensibus formulis conscripsisse confessi sunt et similiter se de scripturis responsuros esse promiserunt. et quoniam mirifica opitulatione deus uoluit, ut, cum quaerunt personam petitoris ne ueniretur ad causam, ipsa inquisitio petitoris subito in medium mitteret causam, clamant praeclari uiri, qui ad agendum uidebantur electi ac se potius ad non agendum electos esse testantur, et inuidiose iudici conqueruntur sensim se in causae interna deduci, quasi aliquid aliud praetermissis omnibus agi debuerit quam illud, quod tanto post uel sero agi nolebant, quia numquam prorsus agi uolebant ubi uinci metuebant. huius timoris apertissimam uocem quis de illorum clauso pectore excuteret, [et] non dico si eos donis largissimis ditaremus, sed si eos poenis crudelissimis torqueremus?
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Those who speak for all are chosen by all; a place worthy of such a great matter is procured in the middle of the city; both sides convene; a judge is present; the records are open; the hearts of all are suspended, awaiting the outcome of such a great conference. Then, by the most learned and eloquent men, with as much effort as ought to have been expended on something, so much is expended that nothing is accomplished. They seek to examine persons in the manner of the forum, a question in which litigants are accustomed to waste even years. In that action, indeed, the Catholics confessed that they had composed their mandate with divine testimonies rather than forensic formulas, and similarly promised that they would respond from the Scriptures. And because, by a wonderful assistance, God willed that, when they sought the person of the petitioner to avoid coming to the case, that very inquiry into the petitioner suddenly thrust the case into the midst, the illustrious men, who seemed chosen to act and who testify that they were chosen rather not to act, cry out and complain jealously to the judge that they are being gradually led into the inner parts of the case, as if anything else, with all else set aside, ought to have been done than that which, so late, they were unwilling to do even then, because they never at all wished to do what they feared to lose. Who would extract the most open voice of this fear from their closed breast, I do not say if we were to enrich them with the most lavish gifts, but if we were to torture them with the most cruel punishments?
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Cum enim personam petitorum forensi tritura inquirerent et uolentes ostendere nos esse petitores, ut personas nostras permitterentur iure discutere et moras annosissimas inuenire, legerent libellum nostrum aliquando proconsuli datum, quo eos petiuimus conuenir, ut ipsa inter nos conlatio tunc fieret, quam modo ab imperatore ut fieret inpetrauimus, et eo libello nos quasi petitores esse monstrarent, responsum est a nobis ideo nos semper uoluisse fieri conlationem, non ubi eis crimina obiceremus, sed ubi ea quae solent obicere purgaremus: propter hoc quippe haeretici et ab ecclesiae unitate separati, quia crimina obiciunt quae probare non possunt. deinde quia uidebatur cognitor secutus ordinem temporum, ut gestis quae protuleramus, ubi et ipsi apud praefectos conlationem petiuerant, ideo praeferret libellum nostrum ab ipsis prolatum, quia gesta illa praefectoria tempore praecedebat, facillime nos atque iustissime hac occasione oblata a cognitore inpetrauimus, ut, si ea praeferret, quae tempore priora esse constaret, illud iuberet potius recitari, ubi ipsi apud imperatorem Constantinum per Anullinum proconsulem accusarunt Caecilianum, cuius crimina nostrae communioni obiciunt, quae uolebamus illa conlatione purgare.
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For when they were inquiring into the status of the petitioners with forensic experience and wished to show that we were the petitioners, so that they might be permitted to legally examine our persons and find the most protracted delays, they read our petition once given to the proconsul, by which we had sought to meet with them, so that the very conference between us might then take place, which we have now obtained from the emperor to be held, and by that petition they showed us to be, as it were, the petitioners. It was answered by us that we had always wished the conference to take place, not so that we might bring charges of crimes against them, but so that we might clear ourselves of those things which they are accustomed to charge: for this reason indeed they are heretics and separated from the unity of the Church, because they bring charges of crimes which they cannot prove. Then, because the judge seemed to follow the order of times, so that he preferred our petition produced by them to the records which we had brought forward, where they themselves had sought a conference before the prefects, since those prefectural records were earlier in time, we very easily and most justly, by this opportunity offered, obtained from the judge that, if he preferred those things which were found to be earlier in time, he should rather order that to be recited where they themselves, before the emperor Constantine through the proconsul Anullinus, accused Caecilian, whose crimes they charge against our communion, which we wished to clear in that conference.
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proinde posteaquam legi coepit, quoniam illic apertissime in omnibus uincebantur, clamare coeperunt: 'sensim inducimur in causam', et iterum: 'peruidet potestas tua sensim nos in causae interna deduci.' o magna, sed non miranda confusio! quando enim daemon sic exorcistam timeret, quomodo timuerunt ne illa legerentur, ubi apparebat Caecilianus et ab eorum praecessoribus apud imperatorem accusatus et tot iudiciis non solum episcopalibus, sed etiam imperialibus absolutus? Quando uel quanto pretio emere possemus, quod ipso timore turbati redire ausi sunt etiam ad illius temporis praescriptionem, ubi dixerant lapsam esse iam causam et quattuor mensibus euolutis agi iam omnino non posse? quid est hoc? quis tam idoneus index inueniri potest animi eorum quam timor iste sic expressus, sic apertus, ut, cum timor soleat adimere libertatem, isti tam libere timuerint, ut indicium suum de mala sua causa nec silentio tegerent, sed uerbis apertissimis proderent? o uehementem trepidationem ad extorquendam confessionem! tam fortis ex ore prosiliuit timor, ut eius impetu de fronte fugerit pudor.
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Therefore, after the reading began, since they were being most openly defeated on every point there, they began to shout: 'We are being gradually drawn into the case,' and again: 'Your power sees that we are being gradually led into the internal matters of the case.' O great, but not surprising, confusion! For when would a demon fear an exorcist as they feared that those documents might be read, where it appeared that Caecilianus had been accused by their predecessors before the emperor and acquitted in so many judgments, not only episcopal but also imperial? When, or at what price, could we have purchased that, disturbed by that very fear, they even dared to return to the prescription of that time, where they had said that the case had already lapsed and that after four months had elapsed it could no longer be pursued at all? What is this? What more suitable judge of their mind can be found than that fear thus expressed, thus open, so that, although fear usually takes away freedom, they feared so freely that they did not conceal their judgment about their bad case even by silence, but betrayed it with the most open words? O vehement trembling to extort a confession! So strong a fear leaped forth from their mouth that shame fled from their brow by its force.
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si non legerentur ea, quibus ostendebatur Caecilianus accusatus atque purgatus, petitores propter agendam causam inquirebantur, personae discutiebantur et, quamuis morarum tendiculae, ne ad ipsam causam perueniretur, tergiuersatorie necterentur, tamen propter agendam causam etiam ista postulari ueluti iure uidebantur: postquam causa optima Caeciliani recitanda prolata est, reuocatur explosa et conuicta praescriptio, diem causae agendae iam transisse clamatur. Quid adhuc expectatis, quid pro nobis pronuntiauerit cognitor, cum uideatis, quid contra se ipsos episcoporum uestrorum pronuntiauerit timor? dederat certe ipse cognitor potestatem, ut alium cum illo quem uellent iudicem constituerent, quod illi recusauerunt, quoniam si aliquem delegissent, mentiri uobis non possent etiam a nobis ipsum fuisse corruptum. sed fecerunt quod recusauerunt: prorsus constituerunt cum illo alterum iudicem, non quemlibet extraneum, sed intimum suum. ecce ipse timor eorum alius iudex fuit. certe ipse a nobis nihil accepit et pro nobis libere iudicauit: non gratificatus est eorum personae quibus internus haerebat. de quorum secreto cubiculo procedebat, et antequam causa diceretur prior iudicauit, quia eam prior in ipsorum corde cognouit. denique processit ille ut causam nosset, processit iste qui nouerat; ille iudicauit stando audiendo loquendo, iste tantummodo in medium procedendo.
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If those things were not read, by which Caecilianus was shown to have been accused and cleared, the petitioners were being sought out for the purpose of conducting the case, the persons were being examined, and, although snares of delays were being woven in a tergiversating manner, lest the case itself be reached, nevertheless for the purpose of conducting the case even these things seemed to be demanded as if by right: after the excellent case of Caecilianus was brought forward to be recited, the defeated and refuted objection is recalled, and it is shouted that the day for conducting the case has already passed. Why do you still wait, what the judge has pronounced for you, when you see what the fear of your bishops has pronounced against themselves? The judge himself had certainly given the power to appoint another judge with him, whom they wished, which they refused, because if they had chosen someone, they could not lie to you that even he had been corrupted by us. But they did what they refused: they absolutely appointed with him another judge, not just any outsider, but their own intimate. Behold, their own fear was that other judge. Certainly he received nothing from us and freely judged for us: he did not gratify the persons of those to whom he was internally attached. From whose secret chamber he proceeded, and before the case was stated, he judged first, because he knew it first in their own heart. Finally, that one proceeded to learn the case, this one proceeded who already knew it; that one judged by standing, listening, speaking, this one merely by coming forward into the midst.
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puto quod melius dicebant ut iam causa non ageretur; quanto enim citius eam finiuit litigatorum timor quam cognitoris labor! ille quaerebat quid ex eorum chartulis legeretur, iste indicauit quid in eorum cordibus ageretur. Quoniam autem ad hoc uenerant territi eis, quae prolata fuerant recitanda, ut dicerent iam lapsam esse causam temporibus et agi non posse, proposuerunt nobis quod iam fuerat ante transactum, ut, si de scripturis sanctis ageremus, illa minime legerentur, si autem illa recitanda eligeremus, habere se ualidam praescriptionem, ut lapsam temporibus causam omnino agi non sinerent, cum ipsi non seruauerint quod ante promiserant, se mandato nostro, ubi nos ecclesiae causam scripturarum testimoniis egisse confessi sunt, similiter [sej scripturarum testimoniis responsuros, qui petitorum discutiendas esse personas non more disputantium, sed more litigantium contendebant: respondimus ergo eis, ut, si nihil aliud agi mallent, nisi ut quaereretur quae uel ubi sit catholica ecclesia, causam eius nos non nisi diuinis quibus praenuntiata est testimoniis ageremus; si autem hominibus aliqua crimina obicerent, quoniam nec ipsi ea possent testimoniis diuinis, sed aliquibus aliis talibus documentis ostendere, etiam nos ea documentis talibus purgaturos.
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I think they were saying it was better that the case should no longer be conducted; for how much more quickly did the fear of the litigants end it than the labor of the judge! He was seeking what might be read from their documents; that one indicated what was going on in their hearts. But since they had come terrified by those things which had been produced for recitation, to the point of saying that the case was already lost by lapse of time and could not be conducted, they proposed to us what had already been transacted before: that if we were dealing with the holy scriptures, those things should by no means be read; but if we chose to have those things recited, they had a valid prescription, so that they would not allow a case lost by lapse of time to be conducted at all, although they themselves had not kept what they had previously promised: that by our mandate, where they confessed that we had conducted the case of the church with the testimonies of the scriptures, they would similarly respond with the testimonies of the scriptures—they who contended that the persons of the petitioners were to be examined, not in the manner of disputants, but in the manner of litigants. We therefore answered them that, if they wished nothing else to be conducted except that it be asked which or where the catholic church is, we would conduct its case only by the divine testimonies by which it was foretold; but if they were objecting some crimes to men, since they themselves could not show those by divine testimonies, but by some other such documents, we would also clear them by such documents.
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sic illis adsidue sua inania repetentibus haec a nobis perseuerantissime repetita sunt; sic eos ueritas uicit et ad illa quae protuleramus audienda confutatos superatosque constrinxit. uidebant enim, si nulla crimina Caeciliani obicerent communioni nostrae, nihil sibi remanere, unde suam ab unitate separationem aliquo modo excusarent, si autem obicerent crimina Caeciliani. nec a se nisi talibus documentis posse asseri nec a nobis aliter posse defendi. Iam uero illud inter hos eorum contentiosissimos strepitus quanti emendum fuit, quod, cum diceremus hoc nos proponere, ut crimina, quae solent obicere nostrae communioni quae per omnes gentes dilatatur, probarent si possent, ut hinc. eorum separatio utrum iusta fuerit nosceretur, responderunt alienam causam nos agere uelle, hoc est transmarinarum ecclesiarum quibus haec non obicerent, quoniam inter Afros esset ista contentio, illas uero ecclesias potius expectare debere, ut eos sibi copulent, qui in hac conlatione uicerint, et ipsi cum eis habeant catholicum nomen? quid ergo adhuc quaeritis quidue dubitatis, quam ecclesiam tenere debeatis? ecce habetis eam, contra quam uestri episcopi causam se non habere confessi sunt, cui communio nostra coniuncta est, unde ipsorum communio separata est.
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Thus, as they persistently repeated their empty claims, these points were most steadfastly reiterated by us; thus truth overcame them and, refuted and defeated, it compelled them to hear what we had set forth. For they saw that if they brought no charges against Caecilianus that could be leveled against our communion, nothing would remain for them by which they could in any way excuse their separation from unity; but if they did bring charges against Caecilianus, they could neither assert them except by such documents, nor could we defend ourselves otherwise. But as for that point amid their most contentious clamor—how much was it worth to have gained that, when we said we were proposing that they should prove, if they could, the charges they usually bring against our communion, which is spread throughout all nations, so that from this it might be known whether their separation was just—they replied that we were trying to plead another’s cause, that is, the cause of the transmarine churches, to which they do not bring these charges, since this dispute is among Africans, and that those churches ought rather to wait for those who have prevailed in this conference to join themselves to them, and that they themselves should have the Catholic name together with them? What then do you still seek, and what do you doubt, as to which church you ought to hold? Behold, you have the church against which your bishops confessed they had no case, the church to which our communion is joined, from which their communion is separated.
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si enim modo eam expectare debere dixerunt, ut qui nostrum uicerint ipsi ei copulentur et cum illa teneant catholicum nomen, iam utique maiores nostri maiores eorum ante uicerunt; ideo illi ecclesiae copulati catholicum nomen in eius unitate tenuerunt. isti autem si a maioribus nostris iam in suis maioribus uicti sunt, quare nobiscum adhuc usque contendunt? si autem uicti non sunt, quare non communicant illi ecclesiae, quam negare catholicam non ualentes nullam causam contra eam se habere confessi sunt? ecce ecclesia catholica transmarina in tot gentibus dilatata, quam debere expectare dixerunt, ut eos sibi qui uicerint copulet, quomodo expectare debet eos sibi copulare qui uicerint, nisi ab eis criminibus, de quibus inter nos agitur, aliena sit? nam si ab eis aliena non est, etiam ipsa rea uicta cum uictis quomodo sibi est copulatura uictores? porro si ab his criminibus, sicut fatentur, aliena est, alieni et nos sumus, qui eidem communione cohaeremus. nam si propter istam communionem nos contaminat crimen alienum, et ipsam cui communicamus crimen contaminat nostrum. sed ipsam confessi sunt non pollutam crimine Afrorum, quamuis ei sacramentorum communione socientur. ibi ergo conuicti sunt nec nos pollui potuisse crimine illorum, quibus sacramentorum communione sociamur, quia nullo nexu consensionis inuoluimur.
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For if they said that she ought to be waited for now, so that whoever among us should conquer might be joined to her and with her hold the Catholic name, then certainly our ancestors already conquered their ancestors long ago; therefore those who were joined to that church held the Catholic name in her unity. But if these men were already conquered in their ancestors by our ancestors, why do they still contend with us to this day? If, however, they were not conquered, why do they not communicate with that church, which, being unable to deny that she is Catholic, they confessed they have no case against her? Behold the Catholic church across the sea, spread among so many nations, which they said ought to be waited for so that she might join to herself those who conquer—how ought she to wait to join to herself those who conquer, unless she is innocent of the crimes with which we are concerned among ourselves? For if she is not innocent of these crimes, then she herself, being guilty, conquered along with the conquered—how is she to join the victors to herself? Moreover, if she is innocent of these crimes, as they admit, then we too are innocent, who are united to her by communion. For if, because of this communion, another's crime contaminates us, then the crime of us contaminates her to whom we communicate. But they confessed that she is not polluted by the crime of the Africans, even though they are joined to her by communion of the sacraments. Therefore they were convicted on that point: that we could not have been polluted by the crime of those with whom we are joined by communion of the sacraments, because we are involved in no bond of consent.
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quamquam et ipsius Caeciliani uictrix causa eisdem uerbis istorum facillime demonstratur. si enim confligentibus nobis expectare debet ecclesia transmarina ab istis criminibus aliena, ut eos qui uicerint sibi et catholico nomini adiungat, tunc expectabat, quando maiores istorum cum Caeciliano acriter confligebant. ille ergo tunc uicit, quem sibi post conflictum illa quae hoc expectauerat copulauit. aut si potuit et pollutum sibi in sacramentorum communione copulare et, sicut iam confessi sunt, ab his criminibus inpolluta persistere, multo magis uicimus, hinc ostendentes proprium onus quemque portare et nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae. Iam uero ut mandato nostro, ubi uniuersam causam complexi fueramus, nec repentinis uerbis, sed conscriptis litteris respondendum putarent, quanti emendum fuit? sic enim constitit eos respondere non potuisse his omnibus, quae in nostro mandato posita nec attingere omnino suis litteris uoluerunt. neque enim potest aliquis dicere prosecutionem nostram memoriter eos non potuisse retinere et propterea rebus necessariis non omnibus respondere uoluisse. editum est eis mandatum nostrum per notoriam postulantibus et hoc ipsum allegantibus, ut instructi possent ad omnia respondere.
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And yet the victorious cause of Caecilian himself is very easily demonstrated by the same words of these men. For if, when we were in conflict, the transmarine church, innocent of these crimes, ought to wait, so that it might join to itself and to the Catholic name those who conquered, then it was waiting when the ancestors of these men were fiercely contending with Caecilian. Therefore, he then conquered, whom that church, which had waited for this, joined to itself after the conflict. Or if it could both join a polluted man to itself in the communion of the sacraments and, as they have already confessed, remain unpolluted by these crimes, then we have conquered all the more, thereby showing that each one bears his own burden and that neither does the cause prejudice the cause, nor the person prejudice the person. Now, as for our mandate, in which we had embraced the entire case, and they thought that they should respond not with impromptu words but with a written letter—how much would it have been worth to buy that? For thus it became clear that they could not respond to all those things which were set forth in our mandate, and they did not wish to touch upon them at all in their own letter. For no one can say that they could not retain our presentation from memory and therefore did not wish to respond to all the necessary matters. Our mandate was published to them by a notice at their own request, and they themselves alleged this, so that, being instructed, they could respond to everything.
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et cum iam septem delecti essent a ceteris, qui omnia pro omnibus agerent, litteras tamen ipsas, quibus nostro mandato respondere conati sunt, totius concilii sui nomine protulerunt tamquam epistulam ab omnibus illis ad cognitorem datam. quam si nollemus admittere, iure optimo faceremus. neque enim ordinis erat, ut post iniunctam septem hominibus causam iam quicquam nisi per illos qui delecti fuerant ageretur. sed ne litteris nostris litteras eorum timuisse uideremur, sine ulla haesitatione ut legerentur allegarentur admisimus. optandum enim et ut dixi emendum erat, ut post tot dierum dilationem, quam eis petentibus concesseramus, adferrent elucubratum laborem, in quo eos mandato nostro non respondisse satis utrasque litteras legentibus appareret et nos eisdem ipsis litteris eorum sine ulla dilatione mox respondisse constaret. si enim homines tam tardo ingenio sunt, ut eos arbitrentur aliquid dixisse, in quibus locis mandati nostri tacere noluerunt, neminem puto esse tam stolidum, qui etiam in his locis aliquid eos respondisse existimet, in quibus omnino tacuerunt. non enim parua uel quasi contemnenda sunt, cum in his potius omnis causa consistat.
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and when already seven had been chosen by the rest, who would act on behalf of all, they nevertheless brought forward those same letters, by which they attempted to respond to our mandate, in the name of their entire council, as if it were a letter given by all of them to the judge. If we had been unwilling to admit them, we would have done so with full right. For it was not in order that, after the case had been entrusted to seven men, anything should be transacted except through those who had been chosen. But lest we seem to have feared their letters because of our own letters, we admitted them to be read and presented without any hesitation. For it was to be desired, and as I said, to be bought, that after the delay of so many days, which we had granted at their request, they should bring forth a laboriously composed work, in which it would be apparent to those reading both letters that they had not responded to our mandate, and it would be established that we had soon responded to those same letters of theirs without any delay. For if men are of such slow understanding that they think they have said something in those places of our mandate where they were unwilling to be silent, I think there is no one so stupid as to believe that they have responded anything even in those places where they were altogether silent. For these are not small or, as it were, contemptible matters, since the whole case consists rather in them.
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Nam testimonia scripturarum, quibus adseruimus ecclesiam cui communicamus ab Hierusalem coeptam toto terrarum orbe diffundi, tamquam omnino dicta non fuerint, praeterierunt magna mole diuinae auctoritatis oppressi. item quod in nostro mandato positum est de beato Cypriano, qui tolerandos potius in ecclesia malos quam propter eos ecclesiam deserendam et praecepto admonuit et suo confirmauit exemplo, attingere omnino non ausi sunt, credo intellegentes, quod, Cypriani auctoritatem si in aliquo scripto eius labefactare temptarent, faterentur etiam nos recte auctoritati eius non cedere in eo, quod de iterando baptismo solent eius placita uel decreta proferre. quam(quam) nec ipsam de baptismo Cypriani sententiam aperte commemorare uoluerunt, scientes etiam illic, si facerent, se offensuros esse naufragium, quoniam Cyprianus non reliquit unitatem et cum eis in illa permansit, qui de hac re diuersa senserunt. unde aut tunc ecclesia perisse dicenda est et non fuit iam, ex qua nasceretur Donatus illorum, aut si, quod uerum est, permansit ecclesia, non in ea contaminant mali bonos, sicut Cyprianus etiam iudicauit, qui cum diuersa sentientibus in eadem uniuersitate permansit. ac per hoc isti se detestando sacrilegio schismatis induerunt, qui propter nescio quorum crimina non probata, etiamsi uera essent, nullo modo se ab unitate toto orbe diffusa separare debuerunt.
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For the testimonies of the Scriptures, by which we have asserted that the Church with which we are in communion began from Jerusalem and is spread throughout the whole world, they passed over as though they had never been uttered at all, overwhelmed by the great weight of divine authority. Likewise, what was set forth in our mandate concerning the blessed Cyprian—who both admonished by precept and confirmed by his own example that the wicked in the Church are rather to be tolerated than that the Church should be deserted on account of them—they did not dare to touch at all, I believe because they understood that, if they attempted to undermine Cyprian’s authority in any writing of his, they would also admit that we rightly do not yield to his authority in that matter in which they are accustomed to bring forward his opinions or decrees concerning the repetition of baptism. Moreover, they did not even wish to mention openly Cyprian’s own opinion on baptism, knowing that if they did so, they would also there suffer shipwreck, since Cyprian did not abandon unity and remained with those who held a different view on this matter. Hence, either the Church must be said to have perished then, and there was no longer a Church from which their Donatus could arise, or, if the Church endured—which is true—the wicked do not contaminate the good within it, as Cyprian himself also judged, who remained with those holding different opinions in the same universal body. And by this, these men have clothed themselves in the detestable sacrilege of schism, who, on account of the unproven crimes of certain persons—even if they were true—ought in no way to have separated themselves from the unity spread throughout the whole world.
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hoc illi quantum intellegitur praeuidentes ab illo testimonio Cypriani, quod in nostro mandato commemoratum est, toto silentio transierunt. Illud etiam, quod in causa Maximianistarum ipsi quoque suo iudicio declararunt, nec propter malos unitatem deserendam, qui Maximiani socios a Maximiano dixerunt non fuisse pollutos et eos inde quos damnauerunt in honore integro susceperunt et baptismum Christi licet foris ab ecclesia datum agnoscendum potius quam destruendum esse monstrarunt, cum a Feliciano in schismate baptizatos et cum illo postea receptos iterum baptizare non ausi sunt, etiam hoc ergo cum in nostro mandato legerent, tacendum potius et praetereundum quam ulla contradictione refricandum esse censuerunt. causam etiam Caeciliani a causa ecclesiae in nostro mandato distinctam et tamen etiam ipsam omni ex parte defensam respondendo prorsus non attigerunt. quis ergo eos illi mandato nostro respondisse arbitretur, quando contra haec omnia nullum uerbum facere nec saltem qualiscumque responsionis obumbratione conati sunt? quod autem uisi sunt respondere, legat qui uoluerit et iudicet eidem ipsi mandato nostro conferens litteras eorum praeter responsionem quam continuo reddidimus, qua omnia uanitatis eorum machinamenta subuersa sunt.
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They, foreseeing this as far as can be understood, passed over in complete silence that testimony of Cyprian which was mentioned in our mandate. Also that which, in the case of the Maximianists, they themselves declared by their own judgment: that unity should not be abandoned on account of the wicked; that the associates of Maximian were not polluted by Maximian, and they received those whom they had condemned back into full honor; and that the baptism of Christ, even if given outside the Church, was to be acknowledged rather than destroyed—since they did not dare to rebaptize those baptized by Felicianus in schism and later received back together with him. Therefore, when they read this in our mandate, they judged it better to be silent and pass over it than to revive it by any contradiction. Also, the case of Caecilian, which was distinguished from the case of the Church in our mandate and yet fully defended on every side, they did not touch at all by responding. Who, then, would think that they responded to that mandate of ours, when against all these things they made no word, nor even attempted any shadow of a response? But what they did seem to respond, let whoever wishes read and judge, comparing their letter to that same mandate of ours, apart from the response we immediately gave, by which all the contrivances of their vanity were overturned.
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Iam illud, si montes aureos daremus, quando emere possemus, quod obiecta sibi Maximiani causa, ut intellegerent eo modo non obfuisse Caeciliano concilium, quo in eum absentem septuaginta episcopi quod uoluerunt pronuntiauerunt, quomodo non obfuit Primiano, cum similiter absentem pro Maximiano centum ferme episcopi damnauerunt, uehementissime perturbati et in horrendas contrusi angustias responderunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae, his paucissimis uerbis totam nostram causam, de qua cum eis superius confligebamus, omnino inuictam esse firmantes? quid enim aliud agebamus, tot testimoniis sanctorum eloquiorum, tanta auctoritate prophetarum apostolorum episcoporum ipsorumque aduersariorum demonstrantes bonos a malis sacramentorum communione non pollui, si corde uoluntate moribus operibus diuersas habeant causas gerantque personas? quid enim aliud laborabamus, nisi ut appareret nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae? hoc ipsi breuiter conpulsi summa necessitate dixerunt, quia, cum a nobis diu diceretur, ueritati cedere noluerunt.
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Now that—if we were to give golden mountains, when could we purchase it?—that, with the case of Maximianus set before them, so that they might understand that the council had not harmed Caecilianus in the way in which seventy bishops pronounced whatever they wished against him in his absence, just as it did not harm Primianus when, similarly, about a hundred bishops condemned him in his absence for Maximianus, they, violently disturbed and driven into dreadful straits, replied that neither does a case prejudice a case nor a person prejudice a person, by these very few words affirming that our entire case, with which we were previously contending against them, was altogether invincible? For what else were we doing, showing by so many testimonies of the holy scriptures, by such great authority of prophets, apostles, bishops, and of the adversaries themselves, that good men are not polluted by the communion of the sacraments of evil men, if they have different cases in heart, will, morals, and works, and bear different persons? For what else were we laboring, except that it might appear that neither does a case prejudice a case nor a person prejudice a person? This they themselves, compelled by extreme necessity, briefly said, because, when it was long spoken by us, they were unwilling to yield to the truth.
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Illud etiam quibus thesauris, quibus opibus, quibus pretiosorum lapidum aggeribus emendum fuit, quod maiores suos apud imperatorem Constantinum persecutos Caecilianum non confiteri tantum, uerum etiam profiteri atque gloriari minime dubitarunt eumque ab imperatore damnatum etiam mentiendo adseuerare conati sunt? ubi est illa uox, qua uos decipere consuerunt nobis inuidiam concitantes, quod apud imperatorem causam agamus ecclesiae? ubi sunt uerba Primiani apud acta magistratus Carthaginiensis expressa: 'illi portant multorum imperatorum sacras, nos sola offerimus euangelia'? ubi est illa praeclara laudatio, qua extollunt separationem suam, dicentes eam esse ecclesiam ueritatis quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit? nempe elisa est, nempe prostrata. leguntur prosecutiones eorum; negare non possunt, quia leguntur etiam suscriptiones eorum. tenemus eos confitentes profitentes gloriantes maiores suos Caecilianum apud imperatorem grauiter persecutos, tenemus etiam Caecilianum persequentibus eis ab imperatore damnatum. non ergo iam clament segregationem suam ideo esse ecclesiam ueritatis, quia persecutionem non facit sed patitur, aut fateantur non eam fuisse ecclesiam ueritatis, quando a maioribus eorum Caecilianus patiebatur.
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Also, with what treasures, what wealth, what heaps of precious stones was it to be purchased, that their predecessors, before the emperor Constantine, not only did not hesitate to confess, but even to profess and boast, that they had persecuted Caecilianus, and that they even attempted to assert, by lying, that he had been condemned by the emperor? Where is that cry with which they are accustomed to deceive you, stirring up ill will against us, that we plead the cause of the church before the emperor? Where are the words of Primianus, expressed in the official records of the magistrate of Carthage: "They carry the sacred letters of many emperors; we offer only the Gospels"? Where is that famous praise with which they exalt their separation, saying that it is the church of truth which suffers persecution, not which inflicts it? Surely it is crushed, surely it is prostrate. Their statements are read; they cannot deny them, because their signatures are also read. We hold them confessing, professing, boasting that their predecessors severely persecuted Caecilianus before the emperor; we also hold that Caecilianus was condemned by the emperor while they were persecuting him. Therefore, let them no longer cry out that their separation is the church of truth because it does not inflict persecution but suffers it, or let them admit that it was not the church of truth when Caecilianus was suffering persecution from their predecessors.
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si enim continuo boni sunt qui persecutionem patiuntur, bonus -erat Caecilianus quando patiebatur; si autem potest quidem fieri, ut et mali persecutionem patiantur, sed boni non possunt esse qui faciunt, non erant boni maiores eorum quando Caecilianum persequebantur. porro si fieri potest, ut et boni faciant et mali patiantur, non ideo nos culpandi sumus nec ideo isti laudandi, quia tale aliquid patiuntur, quale Caecilianum maioribus suis facientibus passum esse gloriantur. et tamen Caecilianum ab imperatore damnatum omnino non constitit, sed in eius absolutione atque. purgatione, quae iudicii episcopalis et imperialis recitatione constiterat, nihil postea probari potuit inmutatum. ita factum est, ut remota, Caeciliani damnatione, de qua ipsi mentiti sunt, remanserit persecutio, quam maiores suos fecisse confessi sunt. Parum fuit, ut Caecilianum ab imperatore damnatum et mentiendo gloriari auderent et asserendo probare non possent. insuper etiam probauerunt et nostra in eam rem documenta fortius adiuuerunt, Caeciliani absolutionem mansisse firmissimam, non, sicut mentiti fuerant, imperatoris posteriore iudicio in contrarium commutato. nam primo Mileuitanae ecclesiae catholicum episcopum Optatum recitandum petiuerunt, pollicentes inde se probaturos Caecilianum ab imperatore -damnatum. quae lectio cum magis contra eos recitaretur, nemo risum potuit continere.
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If indeed those who suffer persecution are immediately good, then Caecilianus was good when he was suffering. If, however, it is possible that the wicked also suffer persecution, but the good cannot be those who inflict it, then their ancestors were not good when they were persecuting Caecilianus. Moreover, if it is possible that both the good inflict and the wicked suffer persecution, then we are not to be blamed for that reason, nor are they to be praised for that reason, because they suffer something of the kind which they boast that Caecilianus suffered at the hands of their ancestors. And yet it has not been established at all that Caecilianus was condemned by the emperor, but in his absolution and purgation, which had been established by the recitation of the episcopal and imperial judgment, nothing could afterwards be proved to have been altered. Thus it came about that, with the condemnation of Caecilianus removed—a condemnation about which they lied—the persecution which they confessed their ancestors had inflicted remained. It was not enough that they dared to boast, by lying, that Caecilianus had been condemned by the emperor, and could not prove it by assertion. In addition, they even proved and more strongly supported our evidence in that matter, that the absolution of Caecilianus remained most firm, not, as they had lied, changed by a later judgment of the emperor to the contrary. For first they demanded that Optatus, the Catholic bishop of the Milevitan church, be read aloud, promising that from this they would prove that Caecilianus had been condemned by the emperor. When that reading was recited more against them, no one could contain their laughter.
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qui tamen risus non utique conscriptioni gestorum potuisset adiungi et omnino latuisset, nisi et ipsum latere non sinerent dicentes: 'audiant qui riserunt.' hoc sane scriptum est et suscriptum. quod enim pro se legi uoluerunt, ambiguum fuit. unde cum rectissime cognitor iussisset paulo superius recitari, ut inde si possent uerba illa clarescerent, hoc recitatum est quod nolebant, id est Caecilianum fuisse purgatum, quem prius legendum dederant non sicut iactabant damnatum, sed Brixae bono pacis retentum. hic cum dixissent illis uerbis Optatum damnationem Caeciliani extenuare uoluisse, dictum est eis, ut euidentem Caeciliani damnationem aliunde recitarent, ut ab Optato eam extenuatam posset ostendi, qui apertissime scripserat Caecilianum fuisse purgatum. hoc cum facere omnino non possent, interiectis atque consummatis omnium morarum superfluis ambagibus apertissime nos adiuuare coeperunt. tamquam enim a nobis essent instructi uel tamquam nobiscum ad innocentiam Caeciliani defendendam declarandamque delecti, cum quaereretur ab eis, ut, si possent, ostenderent quod dicebant, posteriore iudicio Caecilianum ab imperatore damnatum, cuius imperatoris litteras legeramus quae illum ostenderant absolutum, protulerunt libellum maiorum suorum ad eundem Constantinum imperatorem datum, quo apertissime demonstrarant illius iudicio se potius fuisse damnatos.
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Yet that laughter could not, in any case, have been added to the record of the proceedings and would have remained entirely hidden, had they not themselves prevented it from being hidden by saying: 'Let those who laughed hear.' This indeed was written and subscribed. For what they wanted to be read on their behalf was ambiguous. Hence, when the judge most rightly ordered the passage a little earlier to be recited, so that those words might become clear if possible, what was recited was what they did not want—that is, that Caecilianus had been cleared, whom they had previously presented for reading not, as they boasted, as condemned, but as retained at Brixa for the sake of good peace. When it was said to them that with those words Optatus had wished to minimize the condemnation of Caecilianus, they were told to recite from elsewhere an evident condemnation of Caecilianus, so that it could be shown that Optatus had minimized it—Optatus, who had written most clearly that Caecilianus had been cleared. Since they could not do this at all, after the insertion and completion of all superfluous circumlocutions of delays, they began most openly to help us. For, as if they had been instructed by us, or as if they had been chosen along with us to defend and declare the innocence of Caecilianus, when it was asked of them that, if they could, they show what they were saying—that Caecilianus had been condemned by the emperor in a later judgment, whose emperor's letters we had read that had shown him acquitted—they produced a petition of their elders given to the same emperor Constantine, by which they most openly demonstrated that it was they who had been condemned by his judgment.
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contigit enim eis apud imperatoriam potestatem quod inimicis sancti Danihelis, qui hoc ab eisdem leonibus passi sunt quod pati uoluerant innocentem. hic cum breuiter admonuissemus illum libellum pro nobis contra se potius recitasse, aliud addiderunt, proferentes eiusdem imperatoris litteras ad Uerinum uicarium datas, ubi eos grauiter detestatus et domini iudicio, qui iam in eos coeperat uindicare, dimittens ignominiosissima indulgentia de exilio relaxauit. ita manifestissime constitit non solum nullam Caeciliani damnationem fuisse postea consecutam, uerum etiam eius absolutionem atque purgationem et poena illorum et detestabili indulgentia fuisse firmatam. haec tam excellentia documenta., quod fatendum est, non habe bamus in manibus, sed forsitan, si alicubi esse audiremus, unde nobis gratis dari non possent, quolibet praemio perueniremus ut nobis describenda permitterentur. quantum autem daremus, si uenale proponeretur, ut pro nobis etiam ab ipsis aduersariis legerentur?
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For it happened to them before the imperial power what happened to the enemies of the holy Daniel, who suffered from those same lions what they had wished the innocent man to suffer. When I had briefly reminded them that that document had been recited by them for us rather than against themselves, they added another point, producing letters of the same emperor addressed to Verinus the vicar, in which he severely denounced them and, leaving them to the judgment of the Lord, who had already begun to take vengeance on them, released them from exile by a most disgraceful pardon. Thus it became most manifestly clear not only that no condemnation of Caecilian had ever followed, but also that his acquittal and vindication had been confirmed both by their punishment and by that detestable pardon. These such excellent documents—it must be admitted—we did not have in our hands, but perhaps, if we heard that they were somewhere, and that they could not be given to us for free, we would go to any reward to have them allowed to be copied for us. How much, moreover, would we give, if they were offered for sale, that they should be read even by our adversaries on our behalf?
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Quid uidetur addi iam posse, ut nos cumulatius adiuuarent? et tamen addiderunt. commemorauerunt enim causam Felicis Aptugensis, a quo Caecilianus fuerat ordinatus, cui Felici traditionis crimen intenderant. absoluto autem Caeciliano cum perficiendae instaretur unitati, quaestionem de isto Felice commouerant, eo modo posse arbitrantes Caecilianum iam purgatum alienis criminibus inretiri. etiam haec ergo causa Felicis discussa est proconsulari iudicio, ubi liquidissime innocentia Felicis apparuit. sed quoniam quidam Ingentius, qui eodem iudicio aduersum Felicem falsum se fecisse confessus est, nec puniri facile debuit, ubi causa episcopi uertebatur, nec facile a proconsule dimitti potuit tanti criminis reus nisi imperatore consulto, quo instante illa omnia gerebantur, rettulit inde pro consule et rescripsit imperator, ut ad eius comitatum idem Ingentius mitteretur, uolens maiores istorum, a quibus cotidie interpellabatur, in praesentia confutari, nihil tamen dubitans de purgatione, immo eam * uerborum quoque suorum manifestatione confirmans, sicut rescriptum eius ostendit. haec nos omnia documenta causae Felicis in manibus habebamus et disposueramus tradere recitanda.
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What more could now seem possible to be added, so that they might assist us more abundantly? And yet they added more. For they brought up the case of Felix of Aptunga, by whom Caecilian had been ordained, and against which Felix they had leveled the charge of traditio. But after Caecilian had been acquitted, when the completion of unity was being pressed, they stirred up a question about this Felix, thinking that in this way Caecilian, already cleared, could be entangled by the crimes of others. Therefore this case of Felix as well was examined in a proconsular hearing, where the innocence of Felix appeared most clearly. But since a certain Ingentius, who in that same hearing confessed that he had borne false witness against Felix, could neither be easily punished where the case of a bishop was at issue, nor could he be easily dismissed by the proconsul, being accused of so great a crime, without consulting the emperor, at whose insistence all those proceedings were being conducted, the proconsul reported the matter to the emperor, and the emperor replied in a rescript that this same Ingentius should be sent to his court, wishing the leaders of those men, by whom he was daily being importuned, to be refuted in his presence, yet having no doubt about the purgation, but rather confirming it by the very expression of his words, as his rescript shows. We had all these documents of the case of Felix in our hands, and we had arranged to hand them over to be read aloud.
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in quo ipsi nos praeuenerunt et easdem imperatoris litteras de Ingentio ad se mittendo priores protulerunt et recitauerunt, iam fortasse nobis ea non recitaturis, quia sufficere putabamus etiam causam Caeciliani ita peractam esse, ut nihil amplius exigi uideretur. sed aduersariis nostris id agentibus, ut persecutio, quam maiores eorum apud imperatores nostris maioribus fecerunt, et eorum calumniae superatae cumulatius apparerent, quid faceremus nisi oblata libenter accipere et gratias domino in omnibus agere? Constantini ergo litteras ipsi protulerunt, ipsi recitauerunt. incredibile uidetur esse quod dico, sed gesta testantur: conscriptae sunt eorum prosecutiones, tenentur suscriptiones. ipsi, inquam, recitauerunt Constantinum suscripsisse, quod Aelianus pro consule in causa Felicis (audientiam) praebuerit conpetentem et quod a crimine traditionis innocentem Felicem fuisse constiterit, sed Ingentium ad comitatum suum propterea mitti uoluisse, ut his, inquit, qui in praesentiarum agunt et diurnis diebus interpellare non desinunt, praesentibus et coram adsistentibus apparere et intimari posset frustra eos Caeciliano inuidiam conparasse et aduersus eum uiolenter insurgere uoluisse. ipsi recitauerunt. quis nostrum hoc auderet optare, ut, quos iniquitas fecerat nostros accusatores, eos ueritas nostros faceret defensores?
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In this they anticipated us, and they themselves first produced and read aloud the same imperial letters concerning Ingentius, which they sent to themselves—letters which perhaps we would not have read, because we thought it sufficient that the case of Caecilian had been so concluded that nothing more seemed to be required. But since our adversaries were acting so that the persecution which their ancestors had brought before the emperors against our ancestors, and their calumnies, might appear more fully overcome, what were we to do but gladly accept what was offered and give thanks to the Lord in all things? Therefore, they themselves produced the letters of Constantine, they themselves read them aloud. It seems incredible what I say, but the official records bear witness: their statements were written down, their subscriptions are preserved. They themselves, I say, read aloud that Constantine had subscribed that Aelianus the proconsul had provided a competent hearing in the case of Felix, and that it had been established that Felix was innocent of the crime of traditio, but that he had wished Ingentius to be sent to his court for this reason, so that, as he says, "those who are now acting and do not cease to interpellate daily, being present and standing before them, it might be made apparent and known that they have vainly stirred up envy against Caecilian and wished to rise up violently against him." They themselves read it. Who among us would have dared to hope that those whom iniquity had made our accusers, truth would make our defenders?
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sic et illum Balaam, quem temporibus antiquis ad maledicendum dei populum conduxit iniquitas, benedicere conpulit ueritas. Sicut autem ordo consulum ostendit, quem tunc considerare temporis angustia non sinebat — neque enim praesto erant libelli, qui consulares uocantur, aut quisquam eos rem tam inanem crederet obiecturos, ut respondere nos uellent, quid misso Ingentio gestum fuerit uel utrum omnino sit missus Ingentius, cum et innocentiam Felicis proconsularis sententia declarauerit et eandem sententiam responsio imperatoris ab ipsis prolata et recitata firmauerit, et magis utique ipsi protulissent, si quid misso Ingentio pro se gestum fuisse confiderent —, sicut ergo consulum ordo declarat, primo Caecilianus episcopali iudicio Miltiadis est absolutus, deinde non post longum tempus Felicem proconsulari iudicio constitit innocentem, ac sic postea Caecilianus etiam ab imperatore inter partes cognoscente purgatus est, deinde post aliquot annos aduersarii eius ignominiosa illa indulgentia relaxati sunt. nam Miltiades iudicauit Constantino ter et Licinio iterum consulibus VI Nonas Octobres. Aelianus pro consule causam Felicis audiuit Uolusiano et Anniano consulibus XV Kal. Martias, id est post menses ferme quattuor. Constantinus ad Eumalium uicarium de purgatione Caeciliani scripsit Sabino et Rufino consulibus IIII Idus Nouembres, id est post biennium et menses prope octo.
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Thus also that Balaam, whom iniquity hired in ancient times to curse the people of God, was compelled by truth to bless. But as the order of consuls shows—which at that time the pressure of time did not allow us to consider, for neither were the booklets called consular lists at hand, nor would anyone have believed that they would bring up such a vain matter as to demand that we answer what was done when Ingentius was sent, or whether Ingentius was sent at all, since the proconsular sentence had declared Felix innocent, and the same sentence was confirmed by the emperor’s response, which they themselves produced and read aloud, and they would certainly have produced it themselves if they had confidence that anything had been done in their favor when Ingentius was sent—therefore, as the order of consuls declares, first Caecilianus was acquitted by the episcopal judgment of Miltiades, then not long afterward Felix was proven innocent by proconsular judgment, and thus later Caecilianus was also cleared by the emperor judging between the parties, and then after several years his adversaries were released by that disgraceful indulgence. For Miltiades judged when Constantine was consul for the third time and Licinius for the second, on the sixth day before the Nones of October. Aelianus the proconsul heard the case of Felix when Volusianus and Annianus were consuls, on the fifteenth day before the Kalends of March, that is, after about four months. Constantine wrote to Eumalius the vicar concerning the purgation of Caecilianus when Sabinus and Rufinus were consuls, on the fourth day before the Ides of November, that is, after nearly two years and eight months.
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et idem imperator ad Ualerium uicarium de illorum exilio soluto et eorum furore deo uindici dimittendo litteras dedit Crispo et Constantino iterum consulibus III Nonas Maias, id est post quartum annum et mensem ferme sextum. unde sine ullis ambagibus liquidissime constat siue misso ad comitatum Ingentio siue non misso nihil postea contra Caecilianum fuisse iudicatum, immo eum iudiciis quoque imperialibus uictorem aduersariorum et persecutorum suorum postea declaratum.; Eat nunc pars Donati totiens inprobata, totiens calumniosa, totiens mendax, totiens confutata, totiens modis omnibus superata atque confusa: adhuc iactet iudicem a nobis fuisse corruptum. quasi uox alia uictis esse consueuit! prorsus iudex corrumpendus fuit, ut quod ipsi bene egerant illius infirmaret auctoritas. sed nec male illos egisse dixerim; immo uero optime egerunt, qui contra suos errores pro ueritate tanta dixerunt. nam si causa eorum consideretur, re uera contra ipsos, si autem prosecutiones eorum legantur, magis secundum ipsos iudicauit. an uero in ea causa ille qui medius erat aduersaretur nobis, in qua illi qui ex aduerso stabant dixerunt protulerunt recitauerunt tanta pro nobis? quid emere a iudice deberemus, quando ab aduersariis illa non emimus quae iudicem cogerent, etiamsi ab ipsis accepisset pecuniam, pro nobis ferre sententiam?
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And the same emperor gave letters to Valerius the vicar concerning the release of their exile and the surrender of their madness to God as avenger, in the consulship of Crispus and Constantine for the second time, on the third day before the Nones of May, that is, after about the fourth year and the sixth month. Hence, without any ambiguity, it is perfectly clear that, whether Ingentius was sent to the court or not, nothing was afterwards judged against Caecilian; on the contrary, he was later declared by imperial judgments as well to be the victor over his adversaries and persecutors. Let the Donatist party, so often reproved, so often slanderous, so often lying, so often refuted, so often overcome and confounded in every way, now boast that the judge was corrupted by us. As if the defeated ever have any other cry! The judge would indeed have had to be corrupted, so that his authority could invalidate what they themselves had done well. But I would not say that they acted badly; on the contrary, they acted extremely well, who spoke so much truth against their own errors. For if their case is considered, it was truly against themselves; but if their pleadings are read, the judge decided more in accordance with them. Or would that mediator in the case have opposed us, in which those who stood on the opposite side said, produced, and recited so much in our favor? What should we have had to buy from the judge, when we did not buy from our adversaries those things which would compel the judge, even if he had taken money from them, to give sentence in our favor?
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quamquam si non eum nossemus deum timentem et iustitae dilectorem et ab omnibus huiusmodi sordibus alienum, nos in illum talem suspicionem dirigere deberemus, qui [nimia patientia] cum eos uideret premi ueritate nec eis uideri uellet aduersus, nimium patienter pertulit homines per inania uagantes et tam multa superflua dicentes et ad eadem totiens conuicta redeuntes, ut gesta tantis uoluminibus onerata paene omnes pigeret euoluere et quemadmodum acta causa sit legendo cognoscere. quod illi utrum magis inopia ueritatis an industria calliditatis egerint nescio. hinc tamen solum causam tam pessimam utcumque adiuuare potuerunt, quam potius deserere debuerunt. denique si in illos qui egerunt intendant ceteri accusationem eosque potius asserant a nobis fuisse corruptos, ut tot prosecutionibus uel a se prolatis lectionibus sic adiuuarent causam nostram, sic perimerent suam, nescio quemadmodum se possint defendere et ab ista suspicione purgare, nisi forte dicant: 'si corrupti essemus, causam tam malam et per nos et per illos conuictam cito etiam finiremus. nunc uero uel inde credite nos ex animo adfuisse et aliquid prodesse uoluisse, quod multum loquendo egimus, ne quod actum est facile legeretur et nos esse uictos cito cognosceretur'.
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even if we did not know him as a God-fearing man, a lover of justice, and a stranger to all such filth, we ought to direct such suspicion against him who, with excessive patience, when he saw them crushed by the truth and did not wish to seem opposed to them, bore too patiently men wandering through empty things and saying so many superfluous things and returning so often to the same refuted points, that the proceedings, burdened with such great volumes, almost everyone was reluctant to unroll and to learn by reading how the case was conducted. Whether they did this more from lack of truth or from cunning craftiness I do not know. Yet from this alone they were able somehow to assist such a very bad case, which they ought rather to have abandoned. Finally, if others turn the accusation against those who conducted it and assert that they were corrupted by us, so that by so many prosecutions or readings produced by themselves they thus assisted our case and thus destroyed their own, I do not know how they can defend themselves and clear themselves of this suspicion, unless perhaps they say: 'If we had been corrupted, we would quickly have ended such a bad case, convicted both by ourselves and by them. But now, believe from this at least that we were present in good faith and wished to be of some use, because by speaking much we acted so that what was done would not be easily read and it would be quickly recognized that we were defeated.
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si hoc ab eis non fieret, nec ipsis nec nobis iurantibus forsitan crederetur illa, quae pro nobis contra se et tam multa dixerunt et tam multa legerunt, gratis eos nobis omnia praestitisse. nec tamen ipsis, sed deo potius hinc agimus gratias. ut enim illa omnia uel loquendo uel legendo pro causa nostra promerent atque propalarent, ueritas eos torsit, non caritas inuitauit. Quapropter, fratres, si tamen non irascimini quia fratres uocamus — illi enim, cum hoc a nobis audirent, iniuriam sibi fieri apud acta dixerunt nec mandato nostro ammoniti, ubi hoc ex propheta testimonium positum est, recolere potuerunt deum praecepisse: dicite 'fratres nostri estis' (his) qui uos oderunt et qui uos detestantur, ut nomen domini honorificetur et appareat illis in iucunditate, ipsi autem erubescant —, ergo iam, fratres, appareat uobis nomen domini in iucunditate, quod super nos inuocatum est et cuius utrique sacramenta portantes non inmerito dicimur fratres. iam pacem amate, consuetudinem litigiosam et calumniosam iam saltem conuictam confusamque relinquite nec ipsos odieritis, quando ad nos correcti transeunt, sed quando in errore nefario permanentes uos adhuc usque seducunt. nec sibi ipsi magni uideantur, quod eis honorem in unitate deferimus quem possideant liberandi; hunc enim habentes extra unitatem magis sunt inde damnandi.
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If this were not done by them, perhaps neither their oaths nor ours would be believed—that they, who said so many things and read so many things on our behalf against themselves, did all this for us gratis. Yet we give thanks not to them, but rather to God for this. For, in bringing forth and disclosing all those things either by speaking or by reading on behalf of our cause, it was truth that twisted them, not charity that invited them. Therefore, brothers—if, however, you are not angry because we call you brothers; for when they heard this from us, they said in the official record that an injury was done to them, and, not reminded by our mandate, where this testimony from the prophet is placed, they could not recall that God commanded: say 'you are our brothers' to those who hate you and who detest you, so that the name of the Lord may be honored and appear to them in joy, while they themselves blush—therefore, now, brothers, may the name of the Lord, which has been invoked over us and whose sacraments we both carry, appear to you in joy, so that we are not undeservedly called brothers. Now love peace; abandon the litigious and calumnious habit, now at least convicted and confounded; and do not hate those who, corrected, cross over to us, but hate them when, persisting in nefarious error, they still seduce you up to now. And let them not think themselves great because we bestow upon them in unity the honor which they possess for being freed; for, having this outside unity, they are all the more to be condemned for it.
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signa quippe militaria perniciosius ab usurpatoribus habentur quam si omnino non haberentur, nec tamen eis correctis et in castra imperatoris redactis illa franguntur aut abolentur, sed eos, quos antea prodebant atque puniebant, iam ornare incipiunt et munire. quid adhuc adtenditis ad eorum insanas querellas et uana mendacia? nocte causa finita est, sed ut nox finiretur erroris; nocte dicta sententia est, sed fulgens lumine ueritatis. inclusos se tamquam in carcere fuisse conquesti sunt; ibi et nos eramus: aut utrisque facta est iniuria aut utrisque adhibita diligentia. sed quomodo dicamus iniuriam, quando in tam, spatioso et lucido et refrigeranti loco nos fuisse recolimus? aut quomodo erat carcer, ubi erat et iudex? postremo clausum fuisse nos nesciebamus, qui simul intus eramus. ipsi unde sciunt, nisi quia fugere fortasse uoluerunt? sed quis non uideat, quod ista inania et ridenda potius quam refellenda de tali cognitore non dicerent, si pro sua causa possent ualidum aliquid inuenire quod dicerent? scimus quam multi uestrum et forte omnes aut paene omnes dicere soleatis: o si in unum locum conuenirent, o si aliquando conferrent atque illis disputantibus ueritas appareret!' ecce factum est, ecce conuicta est falsitas, ecce apparuit ueritas. quid adhuc fugitur unitas, quid adhuc contemnitur caritas? quid nobis (opus) est per nomina hominum diuidi?
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Military standards, indeed, are more dangerously held by usurpers than if they were not held at all; yet when these men are corrected and brought back into the emperor's camp, those standards are not broken or abolished, but begin to adorn and strengthen those whom they previously betrayed and punished. Why do you still pay attention to their insane complaints and empty lies? The case was concluded by night, but so that the night of error might end; the sentence was pronounced by night, but shining with the light of truth. They complained that they were shut in as if in a prison; we were there as well: either an injury was done to both, or care was shown to both. But how can we call it an injury, when we recall that we were in such a spacious, bright, and cool place? Or how was it a prison, where the judge was also present? Finally, we who were inside together did not know that we were shut in. How do they know, unless perhaps they wanted to flee? But who does not see that they would not say these empty and ridiculous things—more to be laughed at than refuted—about such a judge, if they could find something valid to say for their own cause? We know how many of you, and perhaps all or nearly all, are accustomed to say: 'Oh, if only they would come together in one place, oh, if only they would confer sometime and truth would appear through their disputation!' Behold, it has been done; behold, falsehood has been refuted; behold, truth has appeared. Why do you still flee unity? Why do you still despise charity? Why must we be divided by the names of men?
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qui nos creauit unus est deus, qui nos redemit unus est Christus, qui nos consociare debet unus est spiritus. iam nomen domini honoretur et appareat uobis in iucunditate, ut agnoscatis fratres uestros in ipsius unitate. iam in prosecutionibus episcoporum uestrorum qui nos separabat error est uictus: aliquando in cordibus uestris uincatur et diabolus et gregi suo collecto atque pacato sit propitius qui hoc praecepit Christus. AVGVSTINI RETRACTATIONVM. LIB. II CIP. LXVI (XL) (PAO. 178, ED. KNOELL). POST CONLATIONEM CONTRA DONATISTAS LIBER UNUS. Librum etiam scripsi grandem satis, quantum existimo, diligenter ad ipsos Donatistas post conlationem, quam cum episcopis eorum habuimus, ne ab eis seducerentur ulterius. ubi respondi etiam quibusdam uanitatibus eorum, quae ad nos peruenire potuerunt, quas uicti, ubi poterant et quomodo poterant, iactabant, praeter illa, quae dixi de gestis conlationis, unde, quid actum sit, breuiter nosceretur. multo autem breuius id egi in quadam ad eosdem rursus epistula, sed quia in concilio Numidiae omnibus, qui ibi eramus, hoc fieri placuit, non est in epistulis meis. sic quippe incipit: Siluanus senex, Ualentinus, Innocentius, Maximinus, Optatus, Augustinus, Donatus et ceteri episcopi e concilio Zertensi ad Donatistas.
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The one God who created us is one, the one Christ who redeemed us is one, the one Spirit who ought to unite us is one. Let the name of the Lord now be honored and appear to you in joy, so that you may recognize your brothers in his unity. Now in the prosecutions of your bishops, the error that separated us has been conquered: let the devil also be conquered sometime in your hearts, and may Christ, who commanded this, be propitious to his flock, gathered and pacified. AUGUSTINE'S RETRACTATIONS, BOOK II, CHAPTER LXVI (XL) (PAGE 178, EDITION KNOELL). AFTER THE CONFERENCE, ONE BOOK AGAINST THE DONATISTS. I also wrote a rather large book, as I think, diligently for the Donatists themselves after the conference which we held with their bishops, so that they might no longer be led astray by them. In it I also responded to certain vanities of theirs that were able to reach us, which, when defeated, they boasted about wherever and however they could, besides those things I said about the acts of the conference, from which it might be briefly known what was done. I treated this much more briefly, however, in a certain letter to the same people again, but because it pleased all of us who were there in the Council of Numidia that this be done, it is not among my letters. It begins thus: Silvanus the elder, Valentinus, Innocentius, Maximinus, Optatus, Augustinus, Donatus, and the other bishops from the Council of Zerta to the Donatists.
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Hic liber sic incipit: Quid adhuc, Donatistae, seducimini?
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This book begins thus: "Why are you still being led astray, Donatists?
Citation. Tergwame, “Contra Partem Donati Post Gesta”, stoa0040.stoa029a.opp-lat1:1, machine-draft, 2026. https://naxiai.com/christian/works/stoa0040.stoa029a.opp-lat1#s1
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