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Contra Gaudentium Donatistarum Episcopum

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Contra Gaudentium Donatistarum Episcopum is a late polemical work by Augustine of Hippo, written around 420 CE, near the end of the Donatist controversy. The treatise responds to Gaudentius, the Donatist bishop of Thamugadi, who had barricaded himself in his church after imperial edicts suppressed Donatism. Augustine argues against Donatist exclusivism, rebaptism, and schism, employing scriptural and historical arguments. The work survives in a single manuscript tradition, with the earliest witness a 9th-century codex; the standard critical edition is the CSEL edition (1904) by M. Petschenig. It was cited in medieval canon law, notably Gratian's Decretum, as a key patristic authority.

Contra Gaudentium is a key witness to the final stage of the Donatist controversy, illustrating Augustine's mature polemical strategy and the use of literary debate in ecclesial disputes. It was cited in medieval canon law, notably Gratian's Decretum, as a patristic authority against rebaptism and schism, influencing later Western ecclesiology. The work also provides insight into Donatist practices, such as self-immolation, and the imperial enforcement of religious unity.

Historical context

Contra Gaudentium was composed around 420 CE in Roman North Africa, during the final phase of the Donatist controversy. The Council of Carthage (411) had condemned Donatism, and imperial edicts under Emperor Honorius sought to enforce Catholic unity. Gaudentius, Donatist bishop of Thamugadi (modern Timgad, Algeria), resisted by barricading himself in his church, threatening self-immolation—a practice known among Donatists as a form of protest. Augustine wrote to persuade him to surrender, addressing Donatist claims to be the true Church and defending Catholic positions on baptism and ecclesiology. The text survives in a single manuscript tradition, with the earliest witness a 9th-century codex; the CSEL edition (1904) by M. Petschenig is the standard critical edition. The work is divided into two books: Book I refutes Gaudentius's defense of rebaptism; Book II addresses Donatist ecclesiology using scriptural and historical arguments. Augustine's method involves first quoting Gaudentius's words, then responding, a format that differs from his earlier reply to Petilianus.

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LIBER PRIMUS. Gaudentius Donatistarum Tamugadensis episcopus cum se ipsum in ecclesia quibusdam sibi adiunctis perditis incendere minaretur, uiro spectabili tribuno et notario Dulcitio, cui piissimus imperator leges suas exsequendas cura perficiendae unitatis iniunxit, agenti, ut oportebat, cum furentibus mansuete et prius ad eundem Gaudentium litteras pacificas danti duas rescripsit epistulas, unam breuiorem et perlatoribus, sicut indicat, festinantibus festinatam, alteram uero prolixiorem, in qua. secundum scripturas se respondisse diligentius arbitratur. ita ergo scripta eius opitulante domino institui refutare, -ut etiam qui sunt ingenio tardiores ad omnia me respondisse non dubitent. nam prius uerba eius ponam, deinde nostra subiungam non sic, quemadmodum feci, cum Petiliani litteris responderem. ibi enim per loca singula, quando uerba ipsius inseruntur, positum est Petilianus dixit, quando autem mea uerba redduntur, Augustinus respondit. unde mihi, tamquam mentitus fuerim, calumniatus est, dicens quod numquam mecum comminus disputauerit; quasi propterea non dixerit quod scripsit, quia hoc non in uerbis eius audiui sed in litteris legi, aut ego ideo non responderim, quia non eo praesente locutus sum, sed scriptis eius uicissim scribendo respondi. quid faciamus hominibus, qui tale cor Habent aut eos, quibus sua scripta innotescere cupiunt, tale cor habere opinantur?
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BOOK ONE. Gaudentius, the Donatist bishop of Tamugadi, was threatening to burn himself alive in the church along with some desperate men he had gathered around him, when Dulcitius, a man of tribunician rank and a notary, to whom the most pious emperor had entrusted the execution of his laws for the completion of unity, was acting, as was fitting, gently with the madmen and had first sent peaceful letters to the same Gaudentius. Gaudentius wrote back two letters: one shorter, hurried, as he indicates, by the bearers being in a hurry; the other longer, in which he thinks he has responded more carefully according to the Scriptures. Therefore, with the Lord’s help, I have undertaken to refute what he wrote, so that even those who are slower of understanding may not doubt that I have responded to everything. For I will first set down his words, then add my own, not in the way I did when I replied to the letters of Petilianus. There, in each place, when his own words were inserted, it was written “Petilianus said,” and when my words were given, “Augustinus replied.” From this he slandered me, as if I had lied, saying that he had never debated with me face to face; as if he had not said what he wrote because I did not hear it in his words but read it in his letters, or as if I had not replied because I did not speak in his presence, but responded in writing to his writings. What are we to do with men who have such a heart, or who think that those to whom they wish their writings to be known have such a heart?
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sed etiam talibus hic satisfaciamus et, quando ponimus uerba Gaudentii, non dicamus 'Gaudentius dixit, sed uerba epistulae', et quando respondemus, non dicamus 'Augustinus respondit', sed sed haec responsio'. sic ergo incipiamus refellere Gaudentii epistulam priorem atque breuiorem. Uerba epistulae: Honorabili ac nimium nobis, si sic uolueris, desiderando Dulcitio tribuno et notario Gaudentius episcopus. ad haec responsio: Non debemus etiam ista discutere, ne propemodum in superfluis immoremur, cum sint loca necessaria, quae nos aliquanto diutius loqui cogant. Uerba epistulae: Religionis tuae scripta percepi per eos, quos et moribus et instituto suo cunctis caros esse manifestum est. ad haec responsio: Neque hoc discutiam, quomodo dixeris 'religionis tuae' homini, quem potius inreligiosum putas. reddidisti quippe honorificentiam, sicut reddendam existimasti, quia ille te honorificentius tractauit in litteris, quas ad te dedit, quam catholicus haereticum debuit, putans tuam mentem tali fieri sermocinatione sanabilem.
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but let us also satisfy such matters here, and when we set down Gaudentius’ words, let us not say “Gaudentius said, but the words of the letter,” and when we respond, let us not say “Augustine responded,” but “this response.” Thus let us begin to refute Gaudentius’ first and shorter letter. Words of the letter: “To the honorable and, if you so wish, greatly desired Dulcitius, tribune and notary, from Bishop Gaudentius.” To this response: We ought not to discuss even these matters, lest we linger almost excessively over superfluities, when there are necessary passages that compel us to speak at somewhat greater length. Words of the letter: “I have received your religious letter through those who, by their character and their way of life, are manifestly dear to all.” To this response: Let us not discuss even this, how you said “your religious” to a man whom you rather consider irreligious. For you rendered honorific courtesy, as you judged it should be rendered, because he treated you more honorifically in the letter he sent to you than a Catholic ought to treat a heretic, thinking that your mind could be healed by such discourse.
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Uerba epistulae: In quibus tam multa, inquit, a tua dignatione dicta sunt, quae nunc interim conticesco. sed quoniam ingenii tui acumen minus aduertit, quod nos in eodem scripto nec innocentes plenos nec reos asserere potuisti. ad haec responsio: Quomodo non asseruit reos, quos dixerit male congregatos? quomodo non asseruit reum, quod dixerit, quod te duce miserorum animae nefando exitu periturae sint, adiciens te intellegere debere, quae te et in hoc mundo inuidia et in illo ultimo desperando iudicio poena poterit manere? quomodo non asseruit reum, quem sicut potuit exhortatus est, ut imitandum aliorum secutus exemplum dimisso errore prioris haereseos te ad unam et ueram dei conferas fidem? uerumtamen nos non tribuni uerba defendere, sed haeretici refutare suscepimus. si quid ergo iste noster tamquam laicus militaris dixit incautius, quis ei non ignoscat? quis ecclesiae catholicae de uerbis eius praeiudicandum esse contendat? tu perpensius considera quid loquaris, quem pars Donati in nostra conlatione, quae apud Carthaginem facta est, sex aliis adiunctum etiam defensorem suae diuisionis edidit.
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The words of the letter: "In which," he says, "so many things have been said by your Dignation that I now for the time being pass over in silence. But since the sharpness of your intellect fails to notice, you could not in that same writing assert us to be either innocent or guilty." To this the response: How did he not assert them guilty, whom he said were wickedly assembled? How did he not assert him guilty, when he said that through your leadership the souls of the wretched were about to perish by a nefarious death, adding that you ought to understand what envy in this world and what punishment in that final, desperate judgment could await you? How did he not assert him guilty, whom he exhorted as he was able, that following the example of others to be imitated, you should, having abandoned the error of your former heresy, betake yourself to the one and true faith of God? Nevertheless, we have undertaken not to defend the words of a tribune, but to refute a heretic. Therefore, if this man of ours, speaking as a layman in military service, said something too incautiously, who would not forgive him? Who would contend that prejudice should be created for the Catholic Church from his words? Consider more carefully what you say, you whom the party of Donatus, in our conference which was held at Carthage, put forward, joined by six others, even as the defender of its own division.
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Uerba epistulae: Quodsi criminosos, inquit, existimas, fugienda est uobis damnanda societas. ad haec responsio: Plane fugienda est societas criminosorum, sed non respuenda est correctorum. illud ergo ita salubriter deuitamus, ut hoc misericorditer uelimus optemus instemus. Uerba epistulae: Si uero innocentes putas, inquit. quod etiam ipse dixisti, persecutores nos in fide Christi constituti sustinere gaudemus. ad haec responsio: Consideraui litteras tribuni ad te datas et nusquam in eis legi, quod te dixerit innocentem, sed ab aliis audisse uel cognouisse prudentem. sic autem in scripturis sanctis non solum boni, uerum etiam mali uocari solent. nam hoc ibi nomen etiam serpens hominis deceptor accepit. quod enim quidam interpretati sunt 'sapientissimum omnium bestiarum', prudentissimum potius Graeci codices habent, unde in Latinam linguam scriptura illa translata est. sed si eos putandum est innocentes a tribuno esse dictos, quos a te ad exitium teneri dixit inuitos. quid mirum, si et illic fieri credidit, quod in aliis locis factum esse cognouit? non est ergo unde gaudeas te pati persecutionem, cum inuenire non possis quomodo te asseras innocentem. absit autem ut ista persecutio dicenda sit hominum, cum sit potius pro hominibus liberandis persecutio uitiorum, qualem facit aegris etiam diligentia medicorum.
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The words of the letter: "But if," he says, "you consider them criminal, the fellowship of the damned must be shunned by you." Response to this: Clearly the fellowship of criminals is to be shunned, but that of the corrected is not to be rejected. Therefore we salubriously avoid the former, so that we may mercifully will, desire, and insist upon the latter. The words of the letter: "But if you think them innocent," he says, "which you yourself have also said, we rejoice to endure persecutors while established in the faith of Christ." Response to this: I have considered the letter of the tribune given to you, and nowhere in it have I read that he called you innocent, but that he had heard or learned from others that you are prudent. However, in the holy scriptures not only the good but also the evil are accustomed to be called by that name. For there that name was also given to the serpent, the deceiver of man. For what some have translated as 'most wise of all beasts', the Greek codices rather have 'most prudent', from which that scripture was translated into the Latin language. But if the tribune is thought to have called those innocent whom he said you were holding against their will for destruction, what wonder is it if he believed that what he knew had happened in other places was also happening there? Therefore you have no reason to rejoice that you suffer persecution, since you cannot find how you may assert yourself innocent. Far be it, however, that this should be called persecution by men, when it is rather a persecution of vices for the sake of liberating men, such as the diligence of physicians also makes for the sick.
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quamuis etsi essetis innocentes, hinc efficeremini nocentes, -quia occidere cupitis innocentes. qui enim se innocentes conantur asserere et tamen uitae suae nolunt parcere, quid aliud quam innocentes conuincuntur occidere? Uerba epistulae: In hac autem ecclesia, inquit, in qua dei nomen et Christi, eius! ut etiam ipse dixisti, in ueritate semper est frequentatum, nos aut uiui, quamdiu deo placuerit, permanemus aut, ut dignum. est dei familia, intra dominica castra uitae exitum terminamus, sub ea scilicet condicione, quia, si uis fuerit operata, tunc id poterit cuenire. nemo enim tam demens est, ut nullo impellente festinet ad mortem. ad haec responsio: Neque hoc in tribuni litteris legitur a te in ueritate inuo-catum nomen dei, quamuis dixerit . inuocatum. quamquam etiamsi dixisset, posset hoc intellegi non ad uestram gloriam, sed ad poenam. nam et de gentibus impiis apostolus dixit: qui ueritatem in iniquitate detinent, ut et uos facitis, qui ueritatem baptismi diuini in iniquitate detinetis erroris humani. unde nos cum uestram corrigimus iniquitatem, non utique debemus illius sacramenti rescindere ueritatem. profiteris sane, innocens homo, aliis quidem uerbis, cum ecclesia te ac tuos interituros. cum enim dicis (in ecclesia, quid aliud uis intellegi nisi cum ecclesia, quandoquidem id agere ignibus praeparas?
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Even if you were innocent, you would become guilty by this, because you desire to kill the innocent. For those who try to assert that they are innocent and yet are unwilling to spare their own lives, what else are they convicted of but killing the innocent? The words of the letter: "But in this church," he says, "in which the name of God and of Christ, His Son, as you yourself have also said, has always been invoked in truth, we either remain alive, as long as it pleases God, or, as is worthy of the household of God, we end our life's journey within the Lord's camp, under that condition, of course, that if force is applied, then that could happen. For no one is so insane as to hasten to death with no one impelling him." Response to this: Neither is it read in the tribune's letter that the name of God was invoked by you in truth, although he said it was invoked. And even if he had said it, this could be understood not to your glory, but to your punishment. For the apostle also said of the impious Gentiles: "who hold the truth in iniquity," as you also do, who hold the truth of divine baptism in the iniquity of human error. Hence, when we correct your iniquity, we certainly ought not to rescind the truth of that sacrament. You profess, innocent man, albeit in other words, that the church will perish along with you and yours. For when you say "in the church," what else do you want to be understood but "with the church," since you are preparing to accomplish this by fire?
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haec est innocentia partis Donati, ut hoc faciatis adiunctis mortibus uestris, quod etiam apud Carthaginem in inuidiam nostram de basilicis, quae uestrae fuerunt, sicut potuistis et cum quibus potuistis, fecisse asseueramini sine mortibus uestris. quis enim uos non credat zelando fecisse, quod facere etiam moriendo disponitis? si autem illud non uos fecistis, hoc certe furiosius est quod uos facere praeparatis. sed dixisti: si uis fuerit operata et adiunxisti: nemo est enim tam demens, qui nullo impellente festinet ad mortem: quanto est ergo dementior, qui, cum impellatur ad uitam, festinat ad mortem! Uerba epistulae: Eos autem qui nobiscum sunt, inquit, testem deum facio eiusque omnia sacramenta, quod exhortatus sum et impensissime persuasi, ut, qui haberet uoluntatem egredi, securus publice fateretur. nec nos enim inuitos retinere possumus, qui didicimus ad dei fidem nullum esse cogendum. ad haec responsio: Cur autem non te etiamsi non inuitorum retentorem, tamen ad bonum opus exhortatorem apertissime profiteris, si quod facturus es bonum est? an forte quam malum sit et ipse intellegis atque id te facturum magis ut terreas quam ut impleas comminaris, aut mentiendo infidelis aut uerum dicendo crudelis ?
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This is the innocence of the Donatist party, that you do this with your own deaths added, which you are also alleged to have done at Carthage to bring odium upon us from the basilicas that were yours, as you were able and with whom you were able, without your own deaths. For who would not believe that you did out of zeal what you are prepared to do even by dying? But if you did not do that, then certainly this is more insane, that you are preparing to do it. But you said: if force was at work, and you added: for no one is so mad as to hasten to death with no one driving him: how much more mad, then, is he who, when he is being driven towards life, hastens to death! Words of the letter: "But as for those who are with us," he says, "I make God and all his sacraments my witness, that I have exhorted and most earnestly urged that whoever had the will to leave should safely declare it publicly. For we cannot keep unwilling men, we who have learned that no one is to be compelled to the faith of God." To this, the response: Why, then, do you not most openly profess yourself, if not a keeper of the unwilling, yet an exhorter to a good work, if what you are about to do is good? Or is it that you yourself understand how evil it is, and that you threaten to do it more to terrify than to fulfill, being either unfaithful by lying or cruel by telling the truth?
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Uerba epistulae: (et alia manu:) Opto te incolumem in rei publicae actibus florentem et a christianorum inquietudine recedentem. ad haec responsio: Possumus eum et nos optare et incolumem et in rei publicae actibus florentem, sed non ab haereticorum correctione quiescentem. Uerba posterioris epistulae: Honorabili et omni affectu desiderando Dulcitio Gaudentius episcopus. ad haec responsio: Si omni affectu desideras hominem, quare cum illo tenere Christi respuis unitatem? an reddendo malum quasi pro malo, quem tuum persecutorem putas, rebaptizare desideras? - Uerba epistulae: Solent sibi, inquit, sola fama noti cupere aut inserto inuicem aspectu uerba miscere aut incogniti saltem non horrere praesentiam. tua uero censura, quod absentem me inueneris gratulatum te, quod autem redierim contristatum, litteris intimasti. ad haec responsio: Non omnes, qui sibi sola fama noti sunt, uidere inuicem uolunt, sed quos bene ipsa fama commendat. mirum est autem re uera quod tibi accidit, ut tu eum desiderandum dicas, a quo te persecutionem perpeti quereris, ille autem, qui te persequitur, absentem te malit esse et nolit eum, quem persequitur, inuenire. sed hoc unde, nisi quia te potius eorum persecutorem uoluit intellegi, quorum in Christo salutem tua praesentia credidit impediri?
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Words of the letter: (and in another hand:) I wish you well, flourishing in the affairs of the state, and desisting from troubling Christians. Response to this: We too can wish him well and flourishing in the affairs of the state, but not desisting from correcting heretics. Words of the later letter: To the honorable Dulcitius, desired with all affection, Gaudentius, bishop. Response to this: If you desire the man with all affection, why do you reject holding unity with him in Christ? Or, as if repaying evil for evil, do you desire to rebaptize him, whom you consider your persecutor? Words of the letter: "People known to each other only by reputation," he says, "usually either desire to exchange words in mutual sight, or at least do not shrink from the presence of one unknown. But your judgment, that you rejoiced to find me absent, and that you were saddened that I had returned, you have indicated in your letter." Response to this: Not all who are known to each other only by reputation wish to see one another, but only those whom that reputation itself commends well. It is indeed strange what has happened to you, that you call him desirable from whom you complain of suffering persecution, while he, who persecutes you, prefers you absent and does not wish to find the one he persecutes. But whence this, except that he wished you to be understood rather as a persecutor of those whose salvation in Christ he believed your presence to hinder?
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Uerba epistulae: Sed quoniam praeterita die, inquit, ne epistulari responso siluissem, propter moram portantium certa quaeque strictim ac breuiter intirnaui, nunc mihi dignationis tuae scriptis sacrosanctae legis diuinae uerbis est respondendum. dominus dicit: innocentem et iustum non occides et purgatione non purgabis reum. certum est igitur in dei iudicio pari crimine parique reatu esse deuinctos, qui reum absoluerit et qui occiderit innocentem. si ante communionem rei erant a te nominatus Gabinius uel ceteri fideifragi in malo illi lapsu. consortes, secundum dei uoces absolui minime debuerunt. si autem tamquam innocentes uel sancti recepti sunt, quare in ea fide permanentes, unde uelut sanctos accipitis, occiditis innocentes? ad haec responsio: Inuidiose et mendaciter loqueris. ille quippe, ad quem loqueris, non tale praeceptum accepit ut occidamini, sed ut corrigamini; quod si nolueritis, ne correctionem impediatis aliorum, in exilium mittemini. quod si a iustis fieri non debet iniustis, cur etiam falso uoluistis de Caeciliani exilio in nostra conlatione gloriari, quo eum missum uestris maioribus instantibus a Constantino imperatore dixistis? iste autem tribunus ad quem scribis, cui legum pro unitate latarum cura mandata est, usque adeo uult ut uiuas, ut timeat ne ipse te occidas. ecce constitue tibi ante oculos ipsum et te ipsum!
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Words of the letter: "But since on the past day," he says, "lest I should have been silent in a letter-response, because of the delay of the bearers, I have noted certain things briefly and summarily; now I must respond to the writings of your dignity with the words of the sacred and divine law. The Lord says: 'You shall not kill an innocent and just man, and you shall not purge a guilty man by purification.' Therefore it is certain that in the judgment of God, those who have absolved a guilty man and those who have killed an innocent man are bound by equal crime and equal guilt. If before communion the men named by you—Gabinius or the other faith-breakers in that evil fall—were guilty, according to the words of God they ought not to have been absolved. But if they were received as innocent or holy, why do you kill innocents who remain in that faith from which you receive them as holy?" Response to this: You speak enviously and falsely. For the man to whom you speak has not received such a command that you should be killed, but that you should be corrected; and if you are unwilling, so that you do not hinder the correction of others, you will be sent into exile. But if this ought not to be done by the just to the unjust, why did you also falsely boast in our conference about the exile of Caecilianus, to which you said he was sent by the Emperor Constantine at the insistence of your predecessors? But this tribune to whom you write, to whom the care of the laws enacted for unity has been entrusted, wishes so much that you live that he fears lest you kill yourself. Behold, set before your eyes him and yourself!
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ipse te in Christi pace uult uiuere, tu in parte Donati te quaeris occidere: quis uestrum sit tuus persecutor agnosce. Gabinius autem iam noster, qui fuit aliquando uester, et alii quam plurimi, qui ex uobis ad nos considerata catholica ueritate transierunt, non ideo tibi uideantur a uestra contagione non fuisse purgati, quia non sunt a nobis rebaptizati. hi enim, qui nondum baptizati sunt, a peccatis omnibus in catholica ecclesia lauacro regenerationis abluuntur, in eis autem, qui hoc sacramentum non ad auxilium, sed ad iudicium foris accipiunt, quia nec in desertore uiolamus characterem regium, fit illud sicut scriptum est: caritas cooperit multitudinem peccatorum.eccequemadmodum possunt, quos non oportet baptizari, ipsa catholicae unitatis caritate mundari, ut non incipiat eis inesse intus quod et foris inerat, sed incipiat eis prodesse intus quod foris oberat. non itaque a uobis accipimus uelut sanctos — ad nos enim transeundo sanctificantur, qui manendo apud uos sancti esse omnino non possunt — nec uos innocentes occidimus, quos etiam reos uiuere uolumus.
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he himself wishes you to live in the peace of Christ, while you seek to kill yourself in the party of Donatus: recognize which of you is your persecutor. Moreover, Gabinius, now one of ours, who was once one of yours, and very many others who have passed over from you to us after considering the truth of the Catholic faith, should not seem to you to have been unpurified from your contagion because they were not rebaptized by us. For those who have not yet been baptized are washed from all sins in the Catholic Church by the laver of regeneration; but in those who receive this sacrament outside, not as an aid but as a judgment, because we do not violate the royal character even in a deserter, it happens as it is written: charity covers a multitude of sins. Behold how those who ought not to be baptized can be cleansed by the very charity of Catholic unity, so that what was harmful to them outside begins to benefit them inside, not that it begins to be present within them as it was outside. Therefore, we do not receive you as saints—for by passing over to us they are sanctified, who by remaining with you cannot be saints at all—nor do we kill innocent people, since we wish even the guilty to live.
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Sed tu, qui testimonium diuinae uocis bene recolis et nobis obicis deum dixisse: innocentem et iustum non occides, si innocens et iustus es, quare te occidis? nos te innocentem et iustum non dicimus et tamen nolumus occidaris: tu te innocentem et iustum arbitraris et innocenti iustoque non parcis. certe ipse dixisti: in dei iudicio pari crimine parique reatu esse deuinctos, qui reum absoluerit et qui occiderit innocentem. quare ergo absoluisti Felicianum Maximianistam reum? quare innocentem occidis et te ipsum? nos autem nec reum absoluimus, sed ut mereatur absolui prius corrigi cupimus, nec te innocentem, siue tibi parcas siue te occidas, si in parte Donati remanseris, iudicamus. nam de quantalibet innocentia glorieris, te ipsum innocentem occidendo innocens esse non poteris, nisi forte mihi respondeas et dicas: (cum me occido, non innocentem utique occido, quia ipsa uoluntate, qua me occidere statuo, reus efficior animo, priusquam corpus occidero\\ hoc si dicis, uerum dicis et te miris modis accusando defendis. cum enim te ostendis in te occi, dendo prius ipso proposito tuo fieri nocentem, procul dubio facinore perpetrato nemo te conuincet, quod occideris innocentem. hac itaque ratione colligitur, quod, cum multi innocentes ab aliis occidantur, a se ipso innocens nullus occiditur.
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But you, who recall the testimony of the divine voice well and throw it in our faces that God said, "You shall not kill the innocent and the just," if you are innocent and just, why do you kill yourself? We do not call you innocent and just, and yet we do not want you to be killed: you consider yourself innocent and just, and you do not spare the innocent and just. Certainly you yourself said: in the judgment of God, those who acquit a guilty man and those who kill an innocent man are bound by the same crime and the same guilt. Why, then, did you acquit Felicianus, the Maximianist, a guilty man? Why do you kill an innocent man, and yourself as well? We, however, neither acquit a guilty man—but we desire him to be corrected first so that he may deserve acquittal—nor do we judge you, whether you spare yourself or kill yourself, if you remain in the party of Donatus, to be innocent. For no matter how much innocence you boast of, you cannot be innocent by killing yourself, an innocent, unless perhaps you answer me and say: "When I kill myself, I certainly do not kill an innocent, because by the very will with which I resolve to kill myself, I become guilty in mind before I kill the body." If you say this, you speak the truth, and you accuse yourself in a remarkable way while defending yourself. For when you show that by killing yourself you first become guilty through your own intention, then undoubtedly, once the deed is committed, no one will convict you of having killed an innocent. By this reasoning, therefore, it is concluded that, although many innocent people are killed by others, no innocent person kills himself.
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ea quippe cogitatione, qua occidere se ipse molitur, innocentia prius exspoliatur, ut, cum se occidit, non innocens moriatur. hoc tibi contingeret, si, antequam te occidere praeparares, innocens esses. nunc uero quia et antea iam haereticus innocens non eras, non erit, si te occideris, tuae iniquitatis ini-, tium, sed augmentum. Uerba epistulae: Nam de sancto Emerito, inquit, Caesariensi falsa ad nos pro merito fama peruenit. quod si (sic) esset, audi apostolum dicentem: si exciderunt a fide quidam illorum, numquid infidelitas illorum fidem dei euacuauit? absit. ad haec responsio: Dicendum est de Emerito Caesariensi quod tu dicere timuisti. falsa quidem de illo fama iactata est, quod catholicus factus sit, sed quemadmodum hoc audistis, ita totum quod factum est nosse potuistis. cur ergo laudes coepiscopi tui, cuius tibi pro exemplo nomen obiectum est, tacere uoluisti? profecto si fecit aliquid laude dignum in tanto articulo, non abs te fuit utique reticendum. sed quia laudibus eius non uis ut te inuidere potuisse credamus, quare ergo tacuisti, nisi quia de illo erubescere timuisti? uenit ergo Emeritus Caesaream illic positis et praesentibus nobis. uenit autem non apprehensus cuiusquam sagacitate, non adductus alterius potestate, sed excitatus propria uoluntate uidere nos uoluit.
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For by that very intention with which he prepares to kill himself, he is first stripped of innocence, so that when he kills himself, he does not die innocent. This would happen to you if, before you prepared to kill yourself, you were innocent. But now, since even before you were already not innocent as a heretic, if you kill yourself, it will not be the beginning of your iniquity, but its increase. Words of the letter: For concerning the blessed Emeritus of Caesarea, he says, a false report came to us, as if deservedly. But if this were so, hear the apostle saying: If some of them have fallen from the faith, does their faithlessness nullify the faith of God? Far from it. To this the response: It must be said concerning Emeritus of Caesarea what you were afraid to say. A false rumor was indeed spread about him, that he had become a Catholic, but just as you heard this, so you could have known the whole of what happened. Why then did you wish to remain silent about the praises of your fellow bishop, whose name was held up to you as an example? Certainly, if he did something worthy of praise in such a critical moment, it was surely not for you to remain silent. But because you do not wish us to believe that you could have envied his praises, why then did you remain silent, unless because you were afraid to blush on his account? Therefore, Emeritus came to Caesarea while we were stationed and present there. He came, however, not seized by anyone's cleverness, not brought by another's authority, but roused by his own will, he wished to see us.
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uidimus eum, ad ecclesiam catholicam pariter uenimus, adfuit maxima multitudo: nihil pro sua seu uestra defensione dicere potuit, communicare noluit, dilatus perseuerauit, conuictus obmutuit, inlaesus abscessit. quid fieri potuit pro nostra mansuetudine lenius, quid pro ueritate catholicae inuictius, quid pro uestra, si sapiatis, correctione salubrius? cum enim sponte ad nos nisi pro uobis contra nos dicturus aliquid non uenisset, profecto dixisset, si quod diceret inuenisset. quaecumque enim cur ueniret praeparauerat dicere, adiuuante misericordia domini ante sunt nostra praeuentione refutata quam illius circumuentione prolata. et certe si putas eum potuisse, sed noluisse respondere, lege quod cum illo actum est et ipse responde. si in pacem catholicam transisset Emeritus, diceretis eum non diuina miseratione consensisse lumini ueritatis, sed ponderi persecutionis humana infirmitate cessisse. si denique captus adduceretur inuitus, non inopia respondendi, sed euadendi consilio tacuisse pro uestro arbitrio iactaretis. nunc uero quando quidem ultro uenit, profecto quod tacuit non lingua, sed causa defecit, quod autem transire in unitatem catholicam noluit, animam superbam confusio pertinacissimam fecit. sed hoc quantum ad ipsius exitium atque supplicium, tantum ad aliorum confirmationem salutemque profecit.
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We saw him, we came together to the Catholic Church, a very great multitude was present: he could say nothing in his own or your defense, he refused to communicate, he persisted in delay, he was convicted and fell silent, he departed unharmed. What could have been done more gently for our mildness, what more invincibly for the truth of the Catholic faith, what more salutarily for your correction, if you were wise? For since he had not come to us of his own accord except to say something against us on your behalf, he would certainly have spoken, if he had found anything to say. For whatever he had prepared to say as to why he came, by the assisting mercy of the Lord it was refuted by our prior prevention before it could be brought forth by his circumvention. And certainly if you think he could have replied but was unwilling, read what was done with him and let him himself reply. If Emeritus had crossed over to the Catholic peace, you would say that he had not consented to the light of truth by divine mercy, but had yielded to the weight of persecution by human weakness. If finally he were captured and brought unwillingly, you would boast according to your own judgment that he had kept silent not from lack of a reply, but from a plan to escape. But now, since he came of his own accord, certainly what failed him was not his tongue but his cause; but that he was unwilling to cross over into Catholic unity made a most stubborn confusion of a proud soul. But this, as much as it contributed to his own ruin and punishment, so much did it profit for the confirmation and salvation of others.
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si enim uiderent Emeritum nobis communicantem, suspicarentur hominem formidantem; cum autem uiderunt et in parte Donati permanen. tem et tamen aduersus fidem catholicam reticentem, magis illis apparuit contra suos pro nobis silendo clamare. an uero cum uoce atque ore sano et libero staret, non erat pro causa nostra contra uos testis idoneus Emeritus ille, ille, inquam, Emeritus et inimicus et mutus? Sed bene tibi uisus es uestros auctoritate uidelicet apostolica consolari. non propter Emeritum, qui non potuit plus facere pro uobis, quam quod non inueniens, quid loqueretur pro uobis, non tamen discessit a uobis, sed propter alios, qui uestro errore derelicto in societatem catholicam inmutati in melius aggregantur, commemorasti propterea dixisse apostolum: si quidam illorum exciderunt a fide, numquid infidelitas illorum fidem dei euacuauit? absit. re uera hoc restat, ut excidisse dicantur a fide qui deo crediderunt, fidem tenere qui hominibus credunt. in semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes dominus dixit: ecce cui credunt, qui ex nobis ad nos transeunt. Caeciliani peccato perisse transmarinas gentes homines dixerunt: ecce quibus credunt, qui in uestra societate persistunt. et dicis eos excidisse a fide, qui fidem dei secuti sunt, et eos fidem dei habere, qui in uerbis hominum remanserint.
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If indeed they saw Emeritus communicating with us, they would suspect the man was afraid; but when they saw him both remaining in the Donatist party and yet silent against the Catholic faith, it appeared to them all the more that by being silent he was crying out against his own people for our side. Or truly, when he stood with a sound and free voice and mouth, was not that Emeritus—that Emeritus, I say, both enemy and mute—a suitable witness for our cause against you? But you seemed to yourself to be consoled by apostolic authority, of course. Not on account of Emeritus, who could do no more for you than that, finding nothing to say for you, he nevertheless did not depart from you; but on account of others who, abandoning your error, are gathered into the Catholic communion changed for the better, you recalled that the apostle said: "If some of them have fallen away from the faith, has their faithlessness nullified the faith of God? Far from it." Truly, it remains that those who believed in God are said to have fallen away from the faith, while those who believe in men are said to hold the faith. "In your seed all nations will be blessed," the Lord said: behold in whom those believe who cross over from you to us. Men said that the transmarine peoples perished because of Caecilian's sin: behold in whom those who persist in your communion believe. And you say that those who followed the faith of God have fallen away from the faith, and that those who have remained in the words of men possess the faith of God.
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ubi est ergo, quod huic sententiae abs te commemoratae continuo subiecit apostolus: est autem deus uerax, omnis autem homo mendax, si a fide exciderunt, qui credunt quod dixit deus dominus uerax, et in fide. persistunt, qui credunt quod dixit homo mendax? Uerba epistulae: Fugam mihi, inquit, quasi ex lege persuades, sed factor legis tantum debet audiri, quia Paulus apostolus dicit: non auditores legis iusti sunt apud deum, sed factores legis iustificabuntur. nam audi et dominum dicentem, quia pastor bonus animam suam ponit pro ouibus suis, mercenarius autem et cuius non sunt oues propriae, uidet lupum uenientem et fugit et lupus rapit eas et dispergit. ad haec responsio: Ecce quomodo intellegit euangelium pars Donati! itane apostolus non pastor, sed 'mercenarius erat, quando per murum in sporta submissus fugit manus eius, qui eum conprehendere cupiebat, et tu es pastor, qui eas quas domini dicas oues, ut errore in animo pereant, furore corpus interimant, etiam tecum uis perdere, tecum quaeris occidere, nec audis pastorem pastorumque principem dicentem: fur non uenit nisi ut occidat et perdat? ad hoc uenisti qui abscesseras, ad hoc redisti qui fugeras? hoc opus furis est et latronis, non pastoris atque custodis. uerumtamen etiam nobis non te cogentibus uide, quia omnes collegas tuos qui fugerunt non pastores, sed mercenarios intellegi noluisti.
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Where then is what the apostle immediately subjoined to this sentence you recalled: "But God is truthful, but every human being is a liar"? If those who believe what the truthful Lord God said have fallen away from the faith, and those who believe what a lying human said persist in the faith? The words of the letter: "You urge flight upon me," he says, "as if from the law, but only the doer of the law ought to be heard, because the apostle Paul says: 'Not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law will be justified.' For hear also the Lord saying that the good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep, but the hireling, and one whose sheep are not his own, sees the wolf coming and flees, and the wolf seizes them and scatters them." To this the response: Behold how the party of Donatus understands the Gospel! Was the apostle not a shepherd but a "hireling" when he was let down in a basket through the wall and fled the hands of the one who wished to seize him, and are you a shepherd, who, for the sheep you call the Lord's, so that they perish in mind through error and destroy their bodies through madness, you wish to destroy even with yourself, you seek to kill with yourself, and you do not hear the shepherd and prince of shepherds saying: "The thief comes only to kill and destroy"? Did you come to this, you who had withdrawn? Did you return to this, you who had fled? This is the work of a thief and a robber, not of a shepherd and a guardian. Nevertheless, even without our compelling you, see that you did not wish all your colleagues who fled to be understood as shepherds, but as hirelings.
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sed si essent apud te dominicae oues, aut tecum uenirent, ut etiam te correctum possent habere pastorem, aut te dimisso fugerent ad pastorem. mercennarius autem, quem significat dominus, uiso lupo non corpore, sed animo fugit, quando deserit timore iustitiam, sicut fugit Secundus uester Tigisitanus, quando Purpurium Liniatensem de homicidio confessum magisque terribilem, ne primatum uel episcopatum perderet, timuit corpore autem etiam boni illi pastores apostoli in persecutione fugerunt nec ideo tamen oues Christi cura et animo reliquerunt. si ergo et tu pastor esses, prius in lupi parte non esses, deinde imperium domini tui, qui seruos suos fugere in persecutionibus iussit, per os cuiuslibet etiam peccatoris oboedienter audisses nec contra dominum tuum argumentareris et diceres: facior legis tantum debet audiri, quia Paulus apostolus dicit: non auditores legis iusti sunt apud deum, sed factores legis iustificabuntur.
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But if the Lord's sheep were with you, they would either come with you, so that they could have you as a corrected shepherd, or they would flee from you, leaving you behind, to the shepherd. The hireling, however, whom the Lord signifies, flees when he sees a wolf not with his body but with his soul, when he abandons justice out of fear, just as your Secundus of Tigisis fled, when he feared Purpurius of Limata, who had confessed to murder and was all the more terrifying, lest he lose his primacy or episcopate. Even those good shepherds, the apostles, fled in persecution with their bodies, but they did not, for that reason, abandon Christ's sheep in their care and concern. Therefore, if you were a shepherd, you would not first be on the side of the wolf; then, you would obediently hear the command of your Lord, who ordered his servants to flee in persecutions, through the mouth of any sinner whatsoever, and you would not argue against your Lord and say: "Only the doer of the law ought to be heard, because the apostle Paul says: 'Not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law will be justified.'
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Quid in aliam sententiam uerba manifesta conuertitis? auditores legis et non factores apud deum iustos negauit: ab hominibus, quando uerum dicunt, audiri non prohibuit, ne, sicut tu, loqueretur contra dominum suum dicentem de quibusdam: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt. uides quemadmodum Christus etiam per homines auditores ac praedicatores legis et non factores alios eam tamen audire praecepit et eius esse factores; et tu dicis: factor legis tantum debet audiri., et uolens redarguere quasi persecutorem tuum loqueris aduersus creatorem tuum. peccatori quidem dicit dominus: ut quid tu enarras iustificationes meas et assumis testamentum meum per os tuum?, sed ideo, quia illi nihil prodest, qui dicit et quod dicit non facit; prodest autem illi, qui etiam per malum bonum audit et quod audit facit. non est quidem speciosa laus in ore peccatoris, sed speciosa est in uita moribusque factoris, etiamsi hanc ex ore audierit peccatoris. quantumlibet ergo existima tribunum esse peccatorem et legis non esse factorem, oboedienter tamen audi non istum, sed illum etiam per istum qui dicit: si uos persecuti fuerint in una ciuitate, fugite in aliam. quid statis? audite et fugite; Christus hoc imperat, non tribunus.
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Why do you twist clear words into a different meaning? You deny that hearers of the law who are not doers are just before God; but He did not forbid them from being heard by men, when they speak the truth, lest, like you, someone should speak against his Lord, who says about some: "Do what they say, but do not do what they do; for they speak and do not do." You see how Christ, even through men who are hearers and preachers of the law but not doers, nevertheless commanded others to hear it and to be doers of it; and you say: "Only the doer of the law ought to be heard," and, wishing to refute your supposed persecutor, you speak against your Creator. Indeed, the Lord says to a sinner: "Why do you recount my ordinances and take up my testament through your mouth?" But that is because it does him no good, who speaks and does not do what he speaks; yet it does good to him who, even through a bad man, hears good and does what he hears. The praise is not, indeed, seemly in the mouth of a sinner, but it is seemly in the life and conduct of the doer, even if he has heard it from the mouth of a sinner. Therefore, however much you consider the tribune to be a sinner and not a doer of the law, nevertheless obediently hear not him, but Him, even through him, who says: "If you are persecuted in one city, flee to another." Why do you hesitate? Hear and flee; Christ commands this, not the tribune.
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nisi forte respondes et dicis: 'ait quidem Christus: si uos persecuti fuerint in ista ciuitate, fugite in aliam; sed quare de ista ciuitate discedam, quando nec iste meus persecutor est nec ego Christi sum auditor?' ac per hoc si manseris, lupus es saeuiens, et si fugeris, lupus es timens. et quoniam sponsus dicit: nisi cognoueris temet ipsam, o pulcra in mulieribus, exi tu in uestigiis gregum et pasce haedos tuos in tabernaculis pastorum, etiamsi te pastorem esse gloriaris, tamen, quia de ouili dominico existi, haedos tuos pascis, non oues Christi., Uerba epistulae: Deinde, inquit, quae loca erunt, quae in hac persecutionis procella undique perturbatos tranquillitati seruandos tamquam in portum recipiant sacerdotes, quando dominus dixerit: cum uos persequi coeperint in hac ciuitate, fugite in aliam [ciuitatem]. tute tunc fugiebant apostoli, quia neminem pro eis proscribi iusserat imperator. nunc uero christianorum receptores proscriptionibus territi pericula formidantes non solum non recipiunt, uerum etiam uidere timent quos tacite uenerantur. ad haec responsio: Hoc plane laudo quod agnoscitis uos, sed quod uos non corrigitis doleo. quid enim hac tua professione manifestius, qua satis declaras non uos ad eorum pertinere consortium, quibus dominus ait: si uos. persecuti fuerint in una ciuitate, fugite in aliam?
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Unless perhaps you answer and say: "Christ indeed said: 'If they persecute you in this city, flee to another'; but why should I leave this city, when neither is this man my persecutor nor am I a hearer of Christ?" And by this, if you stay, you are a ravening wolf, and if you flee, you are a fearful wolf. And since the Bridegroom says: "Unless you know yourself, O fair one among women, go out in the tracks of the flocks and feed your goats in the shepherds' tents," even if you boast that you are a shepherd, yet because you have gone out of the Lord's fold, you feed your goats, not Christ's sheep. The words of the letter: "Then," he says, "what places will there be, which in this storm of persecution, when all are disturbed, will receive priests to be kept in tranquility as if into a harbor, when the Lord said: 'When they begin to persecute you in this city, flee to another [city].' The apostles then fled safely, because the emperor had ordered no one to be proscribed on their account. But now, the receivers of Christians, terrified by proscriptions and fearing dangers, not only do not receive them, but even fear to see those whom they silently venerate." To this the response: I clearly praise that you recognize yourselves, but I grieve that you do not correct yourselves. For what is more evident than this profession of yours, by which you sufficiently declare that you do not belong to the company of those to whom the Lord said: "If you are persecuted in one city, flee to another"?
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nempe hoc est quod paulo ante dixi posse te mihi uerissime respondere, si dicas: (nec iste meus est persecutor nec ego Christi sum auditor.' ecce apertissime hoc dicis. quomodo enim es auditor Christi, cum ille suis auditoribus, hoc est sectatoribus, promittat usque in finem saeculi, quandocumque persecutionem passi fuerint, non defuturas ad quas confugiant ciuitates, dicens: cum autem persequentur uos in ciuitate ista, fugite in aliam. amen enim dico uobis, non consummabitis ciuitates Israel, donec ueniat filius hominis? tu autem in hac persecutione, quam uos querimini perpeti, iam deesse uobis dicis loca, quo fugere et ubi tamquam in portu possitis ab hac tempestate requiescere, loquens contra promissionem Christi, qui dicit non defuturas ciuitates, quo fugiant sui qui persecutionem patiuntur, donec ueniat, id est usque ad consummationem saeculi. quia ergo ille hoc promisit suis quod uos non inuenitis, profecto ille mentitur, si uos eius estis; sed quia ipse non mentitur, uos eius non estis. ac per hoc nec tribunus cui rescribis persecutor est uester, sed persecutor est persecutoris uestri, hoc est erroris uestri, quo compulsi talia facitis, ut de illorum genere sitis, de quibus scriptum est, quod persecutionem sunt passi ab ipsis factis suis.
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This is precisely what I said a little earlier you could most truthfully answer me, if you were to say: "Neither is this man my persecutor, nor am I a hearer of Christ." Behold, you say this most openly. For how are you a hearer of Christ, when he promises his hearers, that is, his followers, that until the end of the world, whenever they suffer persecution, there will not be lacking cities to which they may flee, saying: "But when they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For I say to you, amen, you will not exhaust the cities of Israel until the son of man comes"? But you, in this persecution which you complain of suffering, say that places are already lacking to you, to which you may flee and where, as in a harbor, you may rest from this storm, speaking against the promise of Christ, who says that cities will not be lacking to which his own who suffer persecution may flee, until he comes, that is, until the consummation of the world. Therefore, because he promised this to his own, which you do not find, he certainly lies if you are his; but because he himself does not lie, you are not his. And through this, neither is the tribune to whom you write your persecutor, but he is the persecutor of your persecutor, that is, of your error, by which you are compelled to do such things that you are of the kind of whom it is written, that they suffered persecution from their own deeds.
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proinde si intellegatis, quid in uobis qui uos diligunt persequantur, ipsa sine dubio a quibus persecutionem patimini facta mala uestra fugietis et coniungemini eis, qui ut uos liberent persequuntur uestros persecutores; non enim nisi uestros persequuntur errores. Uerba epistulae: Per opificem, inquit, rerum omnium dominum Christum omnipotens deus fabricatum hominem ut deo similem libero dimisit arbitrio. scriptum est enim: fecit deus hominem et dimisit eum in manu arbitrii sui. quid mihi nunc humano imperio eripitur, quod largitus est deus? aduerte, uir summe, quanta in deum sacrilegia perpetrentur, ut quod ille tribuit auferat humana praesumptio et pro deo se id facere inaniter iactet. magna dei iniuria, si ab hominibus defendatur. quid de deo aestimat qui eum uiolentia uult defendere, nisi quia non ualet suas ipse iniurias uindicare? ad haec responsio: Secundum istas uestras falsissimas uanissimasque rationes habenis laxatis atque dimissis humanae licentiae inpunita peccata omnia relinquantur, nullis oppositis repagulis legum nocendi audacia et lasciuiendi libido bacchetur, non rex suum regnum, non dux militem, non prouincialem iudex, non dominus seruum, non maritus uxorem, non pater filium a libertate et suauitate peccandi minis ullis poenisue compescat.
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Therefore, if you understood what it is in you that those who love you persecute, you would without doubt flee from the evil deeds of yours by which you suffer persecution, and you would join yourselves to those who, in order to free you, persecute your persecutors; for they persecute nothing but your errors. The words of the letter: "Through the maker," he says, "of all things, the Lord Christ, Almighty God fashioned man in His own image and sent him forth with free will. For it is written: 'God made man and left him in the hand of his own will.' Why now is it snatched from me by human authority, what God has bestowed? Take note, most eminent sir, how great are the sacrileges committed against God, so that what He granted, human presumption takes away and vainly boasts of doing so in God's stead. It is a great injury to God, if He is defended by men. What does he think of God who wishes to defend Him by violence, except that He is unable to avenge His own injuries?" To this the response: According to these most false and most vain reasonings of yours, with the reins loosened and let go, all sins of human license are left unpunished, with no barriers of laws opposed, the audacity to harm and the lust for wantonness would run riot; no king would restrain his kingdom, no commander his soldier, no judge his provincial, no master his slave, no husband his wife, no father his son from the freedom and sweetness of sinning by any threats or penalties.
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auferte quod sana doctrina pro sanitate orbis terrarum sapienter per apostolum dicit et, ut confirmetis in arbitrio tanto peiore quanto liberiore filios perditionis, delete quod ait uas electionis: omnis anima potestatibus sublimioribus subdita sit. non est enim potestas nisi a deo, quae autem sunt, a deo ordinatae sunt. quapropter qui resistit potestati dei ordinationi resistit; qui autem resistunt ipsi sibi iudicium adquirunt. principes enim non sunt timori bono operi, sed malo. uis autem non timere potestatem? bonum fac, et habebis laudem ex illa; dei enim minister est uindex in ira ei qui male agit. delete ista, si potestis, aut ista, sicut facitis, si non potestis delere, contemnite. habete de his omnibus pessimum arbitrium, ne perdatis liberum arbitrium, aut certe, quia sicut homines hominibus erubescitis, clamate, si audetis: puniantur homicidia, puniantur adulteria, puniantur cetera quantalibet sceleris siue libidinis facinora seu flagitia: sola sacrilegia uolumus a regnantium legibus impunita', an uero aliud dicitis, cum dicitis: magna dei iniuria, si ab hominibus defendatur. quid de deo aestimat qui eum uiolentia uult defendere, nisi quia non ualet suas ipse iniurias uindicare? haec dicentes quid aliud dicitis nisi: (nulla potestas hominis contradicat atque obstrepat nostro libero arbitrio, quando iniuriam facimus deo'?s o dolor!
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Take away what sound doctrine wisely says through the Apostle for the health of the whole world, and, to confirm the children of perdition in a will so much worse as it is freer, delete what the vessel of election says: "Let every soul be subject to higher powers. For there is no power except from God, and those that exist are ordained by God. Therefore, whoever resists the power resists the ordinance of God; and those who resist bring judgment upon themselves. For princes are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you wish not to fear power? Do good, and you will have praise from it; for it is the minister of God, an avenger in wrath against him who does evil." Delete these things, if you can, or, as you do, if you cannot delete them, despise them. Have the worst will concerning all these things, lest you lose free will; or certainly, because you blush as men before men, cry out, if you dare: "Let homicides be punished, let adulteries be punished, let all other crimes and vices of whatever magnitude, whether of wickedness or lust, be punished; only we wish sacrileges to be unpunished by the laws of rulers." Or do you say something else, when you say: "It is a great injury to God, if He is defended by men." What does one think about God who wishes to defend Him with violence, except that He is not able to avenge His own injuries Himself? In saying these things, what else do you say but: "Let no human power contradict and obstruct our free will, when we do injury to God"? O grief!
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fraudata sunt tali magisterio tempora antiqua, quoniam nondum eras natus, quando sanctus Moyses iniurias suas lenissime pertulit, dei uero seuerissime uindicauit. tu nunc autem doctior haeretica praesumptione inuidiosissime clamas: fecit deus hominem et dimisit eum in manu arbitrii sui. quid mihi nunc humano imperio eripitur, quod largitus est deus?, hoc uidelicet flagitans, ut ad faciendas iniurias deo, qui cum libero arbitrio fecit hominem, liberum tibi arbitrium relinquatur ab homine. sed illi etiam, qui decreto Nabuchodonosor regis proposita poena interitus sui et dispersionis domorum suarum a blasphemando deo Sidrac Misac Abdenago terribiliter prohibebantur et acriter si contemnerent plecterentur, dicere potuerunt quod ipse dixisti: magna dei iniuria, si ab hominibus defendatur. quid de deo aestimat qui eum uiolentia uult defendere, nisi quia non ualet suas ipse iniurias uindicare? haec uerba tua prorsus etiam illi dicere potuerunt et fortasse dixerunt, etsi non eadem libertate, non dissimili uanitate.
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The ancient times were defrauded of such teaching, since you had not yet been born when holy Moses bore his own injuries most gently, but avenged God’s injuries most severely. But now, more learned by heretical presumption, you cry out most invidiously: “God made man and left him in the hand of his own free will. Why is what God has granted now snatched away by human authority?”—demanding this, namely, that for the purpose of doing injuries to God, who made man with free will, free will be left to you by man. But even those who, by the decree of King Nebuchadnezzar, with the penalty of their death and the dispersion of their houses set before them, were terribly forbidden to blaspheme God—Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego—and would be sharply punished if they despised it, could have said what you yourself said: “It is a great injury to God if He is defended by men. What does one think of God who wishes to defend Him by violence, except that He is not able to avenge His own injuries?” These words of yours could have been said by them as well, and perhaps were said, if not with the same freedom, then with not dissimilar vanity.
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Datum est igitur homini, quando creatus est, liberum arbitrium, sed ut, si esset male faciens, fieret patiens. denique illi primi homines, cum peccassent, morte damnati sunt, et priusquam mors eis extrema etiam corporis suppleretur, in exilium de paradiso missi sunt. mitiora in uos constituit imperator propter mansuetudinem christianam: exilium nobis uoluit inferre, non mortem. sed uos homines docti, considerantes quid debeatur merito et quid minus sit in supplicio, non de iudicio illius, sed de uestro additis mortem. nolite perire in aeternum, dum uobis hoc tempore ad offendendum deum concedi ab hominibus uultis liberum arbitrium. audi apostolum et habebis magnum compendium, quo tibi regia potestas nocere non possit: bonum fac, et habebis laudem ex illa. ex illa et ante nos iusti habuerunt laudem, non solum qui regibus religiosis fideliter paruerunt, uerum etiam qui reges impios pro dei ueritate aduersarios pertulerunt: illi laudem obauditionis, (isti laudem passionis), utrique tamen ex illa, sed bonum faciendo, non potestatibus resistendo.
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Therefore, when man was created, free will was given to him, but so that if he did evil, he would become a sufferer. Indeed, those first men, when they had sinned, were condemned to death, and before death, the final penalty even of the body, was inflicted upon them, they were sent into exile from paradise. The emperor imposed milder penalties on you because of Christian gentleness: he wished to impose exile on you, not death. But you, learned men, considering what is deserved and what is less in the punishment, add death not from his judgment but from your own. Do not perish eternally, while you wish to have free will granted to you by men in this time to offend God. Listen to the apostle, and you will have a great shortcut by which royal power cannot harm you: do good, and you will have praise from it. From it, even before us, the just had praise, not only those who faithfully obeyed religious kings, but also those who endured impious kings as adversaries for the truth of God: those had praise for obedience, these had praise for suffering, yet both from it, but by doing good, not by resisting powers.
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quod autem uos facitis, non solum bonum non est, sed grande malum est, unitatem Christi pacemque conscindere, contra promissa euangelica rebellare et aduersus eum de quo dictum est: dominabitur a mari usque ad mare et a flumine usque ad terminos orbis terrae, hoc est aduersus uerum et summum regem christianorum, tamquam ciuili bello christiana signa portare. sufficiat ergo uobis ad occasionem correctionis, quod pro tam magnis malis uestris longe mitiora et minora recipitis, si non uobis ultro quod imperator non constituit ingeratis, et nolite ad impunitatem licentiosam liberum arbitrium uobis ab hominibus uelle concedi, ne in ipsius dei manus infelicius incidatis. nam et maiores uestri iudicauerunt in huiusmodi iniuriis dei liberum hominis arbitrium non relinquendum a regibus inpunitum, quia, licet haberent causam malam, Caecilianum tamen episcopum persequendo usque ad imperatoris Constantini iudicium perduxerunt.
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But what you do is not only not good, but a great evil: to tear apart the peace and unity of Christ, to rebel against the promises of the Gospel, and to bear Christian standards as if in a civil war against him of whom it is said: "He will rule from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth," that is, against the true and supreme king of Christians. Therefore, let it suffice for you as an occasion for correction that for such great evils of yours you receive far milder and lesser penalties, if you do not voluntarily impose upon yourselves what the emperor has not decreed; and do not wish to have free will granted to you by men for licentious impunity, lest you fall more wretchedly into the hands of God himself. For even your forebears judged that in injuries of this kind against God, the free will of man should not be left unpunished by emperors, because, although they had a bad cause, they nevertheless pursued the bishop Caecilian all the way to the judgment of the Emperor Constantine.
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Uerba epistulae: Nostram uero fidem, inquit, quam dominus Christus apostolis dereliquit, solae nobis istae persecutiones gratissimam reddunt. felices, inquit, eritis, cum uos persecuti fuerint homines et maledixerint et dixerint aduersus uos omne nequam propter filium hominis. gaudete et exultate, quia merces uestra multa est in caelis; sic enim persecuti sunt et prophetas qui ante uos fuerunt patres eorum. si tantum solis apostolis dictum est, usque ad ipsos fides habuit praemia, et quid proderat postea credituris? unde constat omnibus dictum. deinde dicit apostolus Paulus: qui uolunt in Christo sancte uiuere, persecutionem patiantur necesse est. hoc autem in euangelio dominus dixit: ueniet hora, ut omnis qui interficit uos putet se uictimam dare deo. sed haec facient, quia non cognouerunt patrem neque me. ad haec responsio: Recte ista dicerentur a uobis quaerentibus martyrum gloriam, si haberetis martyrum causam. non enim felices ait dominus qui mala ista patiuntur, sed qui propter filium hominis patiuntur, qui est Christus Iesus. uos autem non propter ipsum patimini, sed contra ipsum; patimini quippe ideo, quia non ei creditis, et toleratis ideo, ne credatis. quomodo ergo uos eam fidem tenere iactatis, quam dominus Christus apostolis dereliquit?
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Words of the letter: "Our faith, indeed," he says, "which the Lord Christ left to the apostles, these persecutions alone render most pleasing to us. Blessed you will be, when men have persecuted you and cursed you and spoken every evil against you for the sake of the Son of Man. Rejoice and exult, for your reward is great in heaven; for thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you, their fathers. If it was said only to the apostles, faith had rewards only up to them, and what would it profit those who were to believe afterwards? Hence it is clear that it was said to all. Then the apostle Paul says: 'Those who wish to live holily in Christ must necessarily suffer persecution.' Moreover, in the Gospel the Lord said: 'The hour will come when everyone who kills you will think he is offering a sacrifice to God.' But they will do this because they have not known the Father nor me." Response to these things: You would rightly say these things, seeking the glory of martyrs, if you had the cause of martyrs. For the Lord does not say that those who suffer these evils are blessed, but those who suffer for the sake of the Son of Man, who is Christ Jesus. You, however, do not suffer for him, but against him; you suffer, indeed, because you do not believe in him, and you endure so that you may not believe. How, then, do you boast that you hold that faith which the Lord Christ left to the apostles?
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an usque adeo caecos et surdos uultis esse homines, ut non legant, non audiant euangelium, ubi nouerint, quam fidem de sua ecclesia dominus Christus apostolis dereliquit? ex qua diuisi atque separati nihil aliud facitis quam contra uerba capitis et corporis rebellatis, et tamen propter filium hominis ac fidem quam reliquit apostolis uos persecutionem sustinere iactatis. omittamus alia et nouissima uerba eius in terris audiamus, ubi uideamus, quam fidem de ecclesia reliquit apostolis, quale testamentum quodammodo fecerit non uitam finiturus, sed sine fine uicturus, non mittendus in sepulchrum, sed ascensurus in caelum. surgens enim a mortuis posteaquam apparuit discipulis suis intuendus oculis manibusque tractandus: oportebat, inquit, impleri quae scripta sunt in lege et prophetis et psalmis de me. tunc aperuit illis sensum, ut intellegerent scripturas, et dixit eis: quoniam sic scriptum est et sic oportebat pati Christum et resurgere tertia die, et praedicari in nomine eius paenitentiam et remissionem peccatorum per omnes gentes, incipientibus ab Hierusalem. itemque in monte Oliueti, postquam nihil ulterius in terris positus dixit, sed quod maxime fuerat necessarium hoc commendauit extremum.
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Do you wish men to be so blind and deaf that they do not read, do not hear the Gospel, where they might learn what faith the Lord Christ left to the apostles concerning his Church? From which, divided and separated, you do nothing else than rebel against the words of the head and the body, and yet you boast that you endure persecution for the sake of the Son of Man and the faith which he left to the apostles. Let us set aside other matters and hear his last words on earth, where we may see what faith concerning the Church he left to the apostles, what kind of testament, as it were, he made—not about to end his life, but about to live without end, not about to be placed in a tomb, but about to ascend into heaven. For after rising from the dead, when he had appeared to his disciples to be seen with eyes and touched with hands, he said: "It was necessary that what is written about me in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms be fulfilled." Then he opened their understanding so that they might understand the Scriptures, and said to them: "Because it is written thus, and thus it was necessary that Christ suffer and rise on the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins be preached in his name among all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." Likewise on the Mount of Olives, after he had said nothing further while placed on earth, he commended this as the last thing, which had been most necessary.
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multi quippe erant futuri per uniuersas partes terrae uindicaturi sibi nomen ecclesiae et contra uniuersam domum, quae per uniuersam terram cantat canticum nouum, de quo scriptum est: cantate domino canticum nouum, cantate domino omnis terra, de suarum quisque ruinarum angulis latraturi. aliud namque apostoli audire cupiebant et quod illis maxime fuerat necessarium non quaerebant: dic nobis, inquiunt, si in tempore hoc praesentabis [et quando] regnum Israel? at ille: non est, inquit, uestrum nosse temp ora [uel momenta] quae pater posuit in sua potestate, sed accipietis uirtutem superuenientis spiritus sancti in uos, et eritis mihi testes in Hierusalem et in totam Iudaeam et Samariam et usque ad terminos terrae. his dictis nubes suscepit eum. nihil ulterius (his) uerbis addidit: hoc tanto tenacius quanto posterius audientium mentibus fixit. hanc sponsam suis amicis sponsus abiens commendauit. hanc ergo (fidem) de sancta ecclesia discipulis dereliquit. huic fidei, Donatistae, resistitis et pro fide, quam dominus Christus reliquit apostolis, uos persecutionem ferre contenditis. huic hominis filio, qui ecclesiam suam incipientem ab Hierusalem et per omnes gentes fructificantem atque crescentem tanta diligentia commendauit, mira caecitatis impudentia contradicitis et propter filium hominis uos mala sustinere clamatis.
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For many indeed were to come throughout all parts of the earth who would claim for themselves the name of the Church and, against the universal house, which throughout the whole earth sings the new song, concerning which it is written: "Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth," would bark from the corners of their own ruins. For the apostles were desiring to hear something else, and they were not seeking what was most necessary for them: "Tell us," they say, "if in this time you will present [and when] the kingdom of Israel?" But he replied: "It is not for you to know the times [or moments] which the Father has placed in his own power, but you will receive the power of the Holy Spirit coming upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth." Having said these things, a cloud took him up. He added nothing further to these words: he fixed this all the more tenaciously in the minds of his hearers the later it was heard. This bride the departing bridegroom commended to his friends. This faith, therefore, concerning the holy Church he left to the disciples. To this faith, Donatists, you resist, and you contend that you suffer persecution for the faith which the Lord Christ left to the apostles. To this Son of Man, who commended his Church, beginning from Jerusalem and bearing fruit and growing among all nations, with such great diligence, you contradict with a marvelous blindness of impudence, and you cry out that you endure evils for the sake of the Son of Man.
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an hoc fortassis ideo dicitis, quia uobis alium filium hominis inuenistis, cuius nomine uocitemini, de cuius parte dicamini? erratis, non est ipse. quando propter filium hominis pati persecutionem felicitatis esse dicebat, se ipsum ille sponsus, non adulterum praedicabat. Et nos confitemur, ut dicitis, non solis apostolis esse dictum: beati eritis, cum uos persecuti fuerint homines. ad omnes enim hoc pertinet, non qui post illos quamlibet persecutionem passi sunt siue patiuntur siue qui passuri sunt, sed qui propter iustitiam, sicut et ipsi. nam hoc paulo superius dixerat: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur propter iustitiam, quia ipsorum est regnum caelorum; deinde ista subiunxit, quae commemorare et frustra uobis usurpare uoluistis. frustra enim beatitudinem istam pertinere ad uos putatis, quando in uobis iustitiam, cui praemium debeatur, non demonstratis. quin immo e contrario etiam pro iniquitate patimini, minus ab aliis, plus a uobis, ut ante dei iudicium quod futurum est etiam ipsi uobis quod meremini ex aliqua parte reddatis. unde quia tu ipse dixisti non hoc solis apostolis, sed omnibus dictum, ne usque ad illos fides praemia habuisse uideretur: sicut hoc ergo non solis apostolis, sed omnibus dictum est, qui etiam post illos propter iustitiam fuerant mala quaecumque passuri, sic etiam omnibus illud dictum est: si uos persecuti fuerint in ista ciuitate, fugite in aliam.
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Or do you perhaps say this because you have found for yourselves another Son of Man, in whose name you are called, from whose part you are named? You are mistaken; he is not that one. When he said that it was a blessing to suffer persecution for the sake of the Son of Man, that Bridegroom was proclaiming himself, not an adulterer. And we confess, as you say, that it was not said to the apostles alone: "Blessed will you be, when men have persecuted you." For this pertains to all, not only to those who after them have suffered any persecution whatsoever, whether they are suffering or will suffer, but to those who suffer for the sake of righteousness, just as they did. For a little earlier he had said: "Blessed are those who suffer persecution for the sake of righteousness, because theirs is the kingdom of heaven"; then he added those words which you wished to recall and vainly usurp for yourselves. For you vainly think that this blessedness pertains to you, when you do not demonstrate in yourselves the righteousness to which the reward is due. On the contrary, you even suffer for iniquity, less from others, more from yourselves, so that before the future judgment of God you yourselves also, in some part, render to yourselves what you deserve. Hence, since you yourself said that this was said not only to the apostles but to all, lest faith should seem to have had its rewards only up to their time: just as therefore this was said not only to the apostles but to all who after them were to suffer any evils for the sake of righteousness, so also that was said to all: "If they persecute you in this city, flee to another.
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quare hoc non facitis, si ad eorum societatem, quibus haec dicta sunt, pertinetis? quod quidem etsi feceritis, non ideo pertinebitis, quia et latrones hoc facere possunt, quos inquiri leges publicae iusserunt. uerumtamen quia hoc facere non uultis, de compendio uos ad istos, quibus haec dicta sunt, non pertinere monstratis. et ut uos multo manifestius ipsa excusatio uestra ab illo numero uerorum christianorum ostendat alienos, loca quo confugiatis, quae ille usque in finem saeculi non defutura promisit, uobis deesse iam dicitis, nullo modo illum quod falsa promiserit conuincentes, sed uos ad eorum consortium quibus hoc promisit non pertinere monstrantes et ideo non ueraces martyres, sed haereticos uos esse fallaces. quid uobis ulterius dicamus, quando lingua uestra uos uincit? Nam et illud quod addidisti dixisse apostolum: omnes, qui in Christo pie uiuere uolunt, persecutionem patiantur necesse est, non quidem ille dixit: 'necesse est\\ sed: omnes, ait, qui uolunt in Christo pie uiuere persecutionem patientur. sed uos ad istos non pertinere quis dubitat? si enim et uos estis, de quibus hoc dixit apostolus, quare non facitis, quod ipse fecit apostolus? nam si portae aduersus uos clauderentur, per murum submitti debuistis, ut manus persequentium fugeretis. patent portae et exire non uultis. quam persecutionem patimini nisi a uobis?
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Why do you not do this, if you belong to the company of those to whom these words were spoken? Even if you did do it, you would not thereby belong, because even robbers can do this, whom the public laws have ordered to be sought out. But because you are unwilling to do this, you show by a short cut that you do not belong to those to whom these words were spoken. And to show you much more clearly as aliens from that number of true Christians by your very excuse, you already say that the places of refuge, which he promised would not be lacking until the end of the world, are lacking to you, in no way proving that he made a false promise, but showing that you do not belong to the fellowship of those to whom he promised this, and therefore that you are not truthful martyrs, but deceitful heretics. What more shall we say to you, when your own tongue defeats you? For also that which you added, that the apostle said: "All who wish to live piously in Christ must suffer persecution," he did not indeed say "must," but: "All," he says, "who wish to live piously in Christ will suffer persecution." But who doubts that you do not belong to these? For if you also are those of whom the apostle said this, why do you not do what the apostle himself did? For if the gates were closed against you, you ought to have been let down through the wall, so that you might flee the hands of the persecutors. The gates are open and you are unwilling to go out. What persecution do you suffer except from yourselves?
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diligit uos persecutor uester et persequitur uos furor uester: ille ut fugiatis cupit, iste ut pereatis impellit. sic autem intellegitis quod ait apostolus: omnes qui uolunt in Christo pie uiuere persecutionem patientur, ut maiores uestros sub apostata imperatore Iuliano non pie uixisse uobis necesse sit confiteri. nam quisquis illo tempore Donatista factus est, donec aduersus uestrum rursus errorem pia christianorum imperatorum cura consurgeret, si ante defunctus est, non pie uixit, quia non est passus persecutionem. si autem hoc propterea dixit apostolus, quia, sicut alibi scriptum est, temptatio est uita hominis super terram nec cessat pios uerosque christianos non solum aduersitatis infestatione, uerum etiam prosperitatis seductione temptare, ut animus humanus aut afflictione succumbat aut elatione uanescat, profecto, quamdiu hic uiuitur, omnes qui uolunt in Christo pie uiuere persecutionem patientur, ut aut uicti comprehendantur a diabolo aut probati diabolum uincant. quos autem comprehensos captiuosque iam possidet, non ut obtineat persequitur, sed quia obtinet utitur.
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Your persecutor loves you, and your fury persecutes you: he desires that you flee, it drives you to perish. Now, if you understand the Apostle’s saying—that all who wish to live piously in Christ will suffer persecution—in such a way, then you must confess that your forebears did not live piously under the apostate emperor Julian. For anyone who became a Donatist at that time, if he died before the pious care of Christian emperors again rose up against your error, did not live piously, because he did not suffer persecution. But if the Apostle said this because, as it is written elsewhere, the life of man on earth is a temptation, and it ceases not to tempt pious and true Christians not only by the assault of adversity but also by the seduction of prosperity, so that the human spirit either succumbs to affliction or is dissipated by pride—then certainly, as long as this life is lived, all who wish to live piously in Christ will suffer persecution, so that they are either conquered and caught by the devil, or, having been tested, they conquer the devil. But those whom he already possesses as captured and captive, he does not persecute in order to obtain them, but because he already holds them, he uses them.
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Porro si persequi tantummodo ille dicendus est, qui dolore aliquo excruciat seu uult tenere ut excruciet, non tibi uideatur excruciator cordis leuior esse quam corporis, et considera, qualem persecutionem patiebatur qui dicebat in psalmo: uidi insensatos et tabescebam. hanc persecutionem Loth iustus patiebatur in Sodomis etiam priusquam in domo eius angeli hospites eius, cum homines putarentur, a Sodomitis appeterentur ad stuprum. iustus enim eos tam publice turpes et ante suae domus iniuriam sine magno cordis cruciatu uidere non poterat. Unde inter suas persecutiones etiam talia commemorat apostolus Paulus, dicens: quis infirmatur et ego non infirmor? quis scandalizatur et ego non uror? proinde quanto maior est in nobis caritas Christi, tanto maiore cum dolore animi uos uidemus habere sacramenta Christi et separari a membris Christi et rebellare contra pacem Christi. sed quamdiu in hoc corpore uiuitis, spes nobis aliqua de nobis datur; cum uero iam in illa dissensione morimini, multo amarius uos dolemus. iam porro quando uos ipsos necatis uel irruendo armis alienis uel praecipitiis et submersionibus et ignibus uestris, satis dici non potest quanto nos maerore crucietis. plus quippe impius Absalon patrem sanctum Dauid extinctus quam rebellis afflixit. uiuum namque eum comprehendi cupiebat, ut qui malitia grassabatur paenitentia sanaretur.
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Moreover, if only he who torments with some pain or who seizes in order to torment is to be called a persecutor, do not think that a tormentor of the heart is lighter than one of the body, and consider what kind of persecution was suffered by the one who said in the psalm: “I saw the senseless and I wasted away.” This persecution the just Lot suffered in Sodom even before the angels, his guests in his house, while they were thought to be men, were sought after by the Sodomites for defilement. For the just man could not see them, so publicly shameful even before the injury to his own house, without great torment of heart. Hence the apostle Paul also recalls such things among his own persecutions, saying: “Who is sick, and I am not sick? Who is scandalized, and I am not burned?” Therefore, the greater the love of Christ in us, the greater the pain of soul with which we see you holding the sacraments of Christ and being separated from the members of Christ and rebelling against the peace of Christ. But as long as you live in this body, some hope concerning you is given to us; when, however, you die in that dissension, we grieve for you much more bitterly. Moreover, when you kill yourselves, either by rushing upon foreign weapons or by your own precipices, drownings, and fires, it cannot be sufficiently expressed with what grief you torment us. For the impious Absalom afflicted the holy father David more when dead than when he was a rebel. For while alive, David desired to capture him, so that he who raged in malice might be healed by repentance.
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erat ergo ille persecutor patris non solum populum dei diuidendo nec solum contra dei legem et contra legitimum patris regnum arma portando atque bellando, sed multo amplius persecutus est cor paternum in illa impietate moriendo. denique illum pater optimus pessimum filium, quem non desperando non defleuerat uiuum, spe finita fleuit occisum. discite ergo, quid sit quod apostolus ait: omnes qui uolunt in Christo pie uiuere persecutionem patientur. si catholicorum domus Donatistae non diripuissent, si catholicas ecclesias non incendissent, si catholicorum codices sanctos in ipsa incendia non misissent, si catholicorum corpora non immanissimis caedibus afflixissent, si catholicorum membra non praecidissent, si oculos non extinxissent, si denique catholicos non crudeliter occidissent, hanc solam nos a uobis grauissimam persecutionem perpeti uerissime diceremus, quia uidemus uos insensatos et tabescimus, quia infirmatos et infirmamur, quia scandalizatos et urimur, quia perditos et lugemus. haec mala uestra, quae uos in aeternum interitum mittunt, amarius nos persequuntur quam illa, quae a uobis nostris corporibus uel rebus uel domibus aut basilicis inferuntur. minus persequimini, cum in nos saeuitis, quam cum uos peritis. denique in illa persecutione, qua in nos saeuitis, cum laude gaudemus, in hac autem, qua uos peritis, si gauisi fuerimus, uobiscum perimus.
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Therefore, that son was a persecutor of his father not only by dividing the people of God, nor only by bearing arms and waging war against God’s law and against his father’s legitimate kingdom, but he persecuted his father’s heart far more grievously by dying in that impiety. Finally, that best of fathers did not weep for that worst of sons while he lived, whom he had not despaired of and had not ceased to lament, but when hope was ended, he wept for him when he was killed. Learn, therefore, what the Apostle means when he says: All who wish to live piously in Christ will suffer persecution. If the Donatists had not plundered the homes of Catholics, if they had not set fire to Catholic churches, if they had not thrown the sacred books of Catholics into those fires, if they had not afflicted the bodies of Catholics with the most savage massacres, if they had not cut off the limbs of Catholics, if they had not gouged out their eyes, if, finally, they had not cruelly killed Catholics, we would most truly say that we suffer from you this one most grievous persecution, because we see you senseless and we waste away, because you are weakened and we are weakened, because you are scandalized and we burn, because you are lost and we mourn. These evils of yours, which send you into eternal destruction, persecute us more bitterly than those which are inflicted by you on our bodies, or our property, or our homes, or our basilicas. You persecute us less when you rage against us than when you perish. Finally, in that persecution in which you rage against us, we rejoice with praise; but in this one, in which you perish, if we were to rejoice, we would perish with you.
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sed quamdiu in hac carne uiuitis, de nobis desperare non possumus; cum uero in hac impietate morimini, maxime cum uos ipsos horrenda caecitate furoris occiditis, amarissimam tristitiam nostram illud tantummodo consolatur, quod consolatum est sanctum Dauid, in unitate scilicet dei populus congregatus, qui fuit scelerati filii tyrannide diuisus. tolerabilius enim longe pauciores pertinacissimi uestri suis praecipitiis uel submersionibus uel ignibus pereunt, quam innumerabiles populi illis eorum salutem impedientibus incendio cum illis aeterni ignis ardebunt. numquam igitur ecclesiae Christi defuit aut deerit, unde secundum apostolum qui uolunt in Christo pie uiuere persecutionem patiantur, aut impiorum malitiam sustinendo cum in noxia uiuunt, aut eos dolendo cum pereunt. Nolite itaque falli, quod nobis dictum sit: ueniet hora, quando qui uos occiderint putent se officium facere deo aut, sicut tu hoc testimonium posuisti: putent se uictimam dare deo. non quidem hoc esse dictum de persecutionibus, quas gentes ecclesiae fecerunt, manifestum est. diis enim suis plurimis, qui utique non sunt, deputauerunt se gentiles officium facere, cum hoc facerent uni deo.
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But as long as you live in this flesh, we cannot despair of you; but when you die in this impiety, especially when you kill yourselves with horrible blindness of fury, only that which consoled the holy David consoles our bitterest sorrow, namely, the people of God gathered in unity, who were divided by the tyranny of a wicked son. For it is far more tolerable that very few of your most obstinate ones perish by their own precipices, or drownings, or fires, than that countless peoples, whose salvation those men hinder, will burn with them in the eternal fire. Therefore, the Church of Christ has never lacked, nor will it lack, a means by which, according to the apostle, those who wish to live piously in Christ may either suffer persecution by enduring the malice of the impious while they live in harm, or grieve for them when they perish. Do not, therefore, be deceived because it was said to us: "The hour will come when those who kill you will think they are doing a service to God," or, as you placed this testimony, "think they are offering a victim to God." It is indeed clear that this was not said about the persecutions that the Gentiles inflicted on the Church. For the Gentiles thought they were doing a service to their many gods, who certainly do not exist, when they did this to the one God.
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unde hoc idem, quod dominus praedixit suis, aut per Iudaeos impletum est, qui sanctum Stephanum et multos alios occiderunt, dum putabant se officium deo facere, quoniam unum uerum deum colere uidebantur, aut etiam nobis, id est catholicis, dictum est de diuersis haereticis usque quaque furentibus, qui ubi possunt et quando possunt et quomodo possunt occidendo catholicos putant se officium deo facere, maximeque de uobis, qui praecipuum uobis nomen fecistis in Africa de talibus uictimis. nam si uobis dictum esset, non utique uos ipsi occideretis, sed expectaretis a nobis potius occidi, qui putamus nos, ut dicitis, cum id facimus, officium deo facere. nunc uero cum festinatis ad mortem, ne a nostris teneamini, uiuere metuitis, non occidi, quia erubescitis corrigi aut de uestro (errore) conuinci. an forte uos estis ad quos utrumque pertineat, quia, cum occidimini et uos a uobis, putatis uos officium deo facere et has ei uictimas de uobis dare? ad uos ergo pertinet, quod sequitur atque abs te commemoratum est. mox enim dominus adiunxit et ait: sed haec facient uobis, quia non cognouerunt patrem neque me. cum itaque uos ipsos occiditis, putantes uos officium deo facere, nec patrem cognouistis, (quem non audistis dicentem: non occides, nec filium cognouistis), quem non audistis dicentem: fugite.
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Hence this same thing, which the Lord foretold to his own, was fulfilled either by the Jews, who killed Saint Stephen and many others, thinking they were doing a service to God because they seemed to worship the one true God, or also to us, that is, to Catholics, it was said concerning various heretics raging everywhere, who, where they can and when they can and how they can, by killing Catholics think they are doing a service to God, and especially concerning you, who have made a special name for yourselves in Africa from such victims. For if it had been said to you, you would certainly not kill yourselves, but would rather expect to be killed by us, who think we are doing a service to God, as you say, when we do this. But now, since you hasten to death lest you be held by our people, you fear living, not being killed, because you blush to be corrected or to be convicted of your error. Or perhaps you are those to whom both pertain, because, when you are killed and you kill yourselves, you think you are doing a service to God and offering these victims to him from yourselves? Therefore it pertains to you, what follows and was recalled by you. For soon the Lord added and said: "But they will do this to you because they have not known the Father nor me." Since, therefore, you kill yourselves, thinking you are doing a service to God, you have not known the Father (whom you did not hear saying: 'You shall not kill'), nor have you known the Son (whom you did not hear saying: 'Flee').
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Uerba epistulae: Sed belliferae, inquit, pacis cruentaeque unitatis se incolas iactant. audiant dominum dicentem: pacem meam do nobis, pacem relinquo uobis; non sicut saeculum dat ego do nobis. saeculi enim pax inter animos gentium dissidentes armis et belli exitu foederatur; domini Christi pax salubri lenitate tranquilla uolentes inuitat, non cogit inuitos. ad haec responsio: Uos quidem belliferam pacem et cruentam unitatem facere cupitis aut uiolentis mortibus nostris aut uoluntariis mortibus uestris, non imputantes uobis quod facitis nobis et imputantes nobis quod facitis uobis. sed nos et quod facitis nobis cogimur sustinere et quod uobis facitis nihil possumus quam dolere, dum tamen fiat pax et unitas Christi propter salutem multorum, sicut fit in plurimis, etiamsi propter furorem paucorum non fit in omnibus. nam si non inuido, sed fideli oculo uelletis attendere, uideretis, quam uera pace atque unitate Christi gaudeant qui ex uobis ad nos uenerunt, tot tantorumque populorum agmina, in quibus etiamsi adhuc sunt nonnulli ipsa nouitate turbati, et ipsi paulatim ab hac infirmitate sanantur. et si ficti aliqui perseuerant, non utique propter ipsos non fuerant colligendi quos uidemus ueraces, quorum quidam in regionibus uestris etiam quibusdam nostris maiores apparuerunt, quando uobis illa perditionis libertate concessa ad uos redire noluerunt.
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Words of the letter: But they boast themselves inhabitants of a warlike peace and a bloody unity. Let them hear the Lord saying: I give you my peace, I leave you my peace; not as the world gives do I give to you. For the peace of the world is forged between dissenting minds of peoples by arms and the outcome of war; the peace of the Lord Christ, with healthful and gentle tranquility, invites the willing, does not compel the unwilling. Response to this: You indeed desire to make a warlike peace and a bloody unity, either by our violent deaths or by your voluntary deaths, not imputing to yourselves what you do to us and imputing to us what you do to yourselves. But we are compelled to endure what you do to us, and we can do nothing but grieve over what you do to yourselves, while yet the peace and unity of Christ is brought about for the salvation of many, as happens in the majority, even if, because of the madness of a few, it does not happen in all. For if you would look not with an envious but with a faithful eye, you would see with what true peace and unity of Christ those rejoice who have come to us from you, the multitudes of so many and such great peoples, among whom, even if there are still some disturbed by the novelty itself, they too are gradually healed from this infirmity. And if some feigned ones persist, certainly it is not on their account that those whom we see as truthful ought not to have been gathered, some of whom, in your regions, have even appeared greater than some of ours, when, with that freedom of perdition granted to you, they were unwilling to return to you.
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debebamus ergo, ne perderemus istos, colligere et fictos, quia in euangelio legitur seruos ad nuptias domini sui congregasse conuiuas bonos et malos, maxime quia uos de area dominica superbiae spiritus tamquam improbus uentus ante tempus uentilationis excussit, unde uos ad illam, quantum opitulante deo possumus, reuocare conamur. et utique nostis, quemadmodum scopis diligentiae frumentum simul etiam cum terra trahitur, quando in aream reuocatur. Quod autem uobis uidetur inuitos ad ueritatem non esse cogendos, erratis nescientes scripturas neque uirtutem dei, qui eos uolentes facit, dum coguntur inuiti. numquid enim paenitentiam Niniuitae inuiti egerunt, quia hoc rege suo compellente fecerunt? iam enim propheta iram dei uniuersae ciuitati eam triduo perambulans praenuntiauerat: quid igitur opus erat regis imperio, ut humiliter supplicaretur deo, qui non intuetur ora sed corda, nisi quia erant in eis quidam, qui nec curarent nec crederent praedicta diuina nisi territi potestate terrena? ista igitur iussione regiae potestatis, contra quam uoluntarius fit uester occasus, multis ad salutem quae (est) in Christo praestatur occasio, qui etsi uiolenter adducuntur ad cenam tanti patris familias et compelluntur intrare, intus tamen inueniunt unde se laetentur intrasse. utrumque enim futurum dominus ipse praedixit et utrumque compleuit.
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We were therefore obliged, lest we lose these people, to gather even the feigned, because in the Gospel it is read that a servant gathered good and bad guests for his master's wedding feast, especially since you have been shaken out of the Lord's threshing-floor by the spirit of pride like a violent wind before the time of winnowing, whence we are trying to recall you to that floor, as far as we can with God's help. And you certainly know how, with the broom of diligence, grain is dragged along even with the earth when it is recalled to the threshing-floor. But as for what seems to you that the unwilling should not be compelled to the truth, you err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God, who makes them willing while they are compelled unwilling. For did not the Ninevites perform penance unwillingly, because they did so at the compulsion of their king? For the prophet had already announced the wrath of God to the whole city, walking through it for three days: what need was there, then, for the king's command, that they should humbly supplicate God, who does not look at faces but at hearts, unless it were that there were some among them who would neither care about nor believe the divine predictions unless terrified by earthly power? By that command of royal power, therefore, against which your fall is voluntary, an opportunity is given to many for salvation, which is in Christ, who, even if they are violently led to the feast of such a father of the family and compelled to enter, yet inside they find something to rejoice that they have entered. For the Lord himself both foretold and fulfilled each.
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nam reprobatis quibusdam, qui utique intelleguntur Iudaei, quia ipsi per prophetas antea fuerant inuitati et ad horam excusare maluerunt, ait dominus seruo suo: exi in plateas et uicos ciuitatis, et pauperes ac debiles et caecos et claudos introduc huc. et ait seruus: domine, factum est ut imperasti, et adhuc locus est. et ait dominus seruo: exi in uias et saepes, et compelle intrare, ut impleatur domus mea. intellegimus 'uias' haereses, schismata 'saepes'; uiae quippe hoc loco significant diuersas opiniones, saepes autem peruersas opiniones. quid ergo miramini, si non corporalis cibi sed spiritalis fame moritur, quisquis ad istam cenam nec libenter introductus nec uiolenter impulsus ingreditur? Uerba epistulae: Odio, inquit, saeculi ga-udemzts. in eius pressuris non succumbimus, sed laetamur. mundus hic non potest seruos Christi diligere, qui Christum cognoscitur non amasse, domino ipso dicente: si saeculum uos odit, scitote quia me primum odio habuit quam uos. si me persecuti sunt, et uos persequentur. ad haec responsio: Quomodo gaudentes odio saeculi pressuris eius non succumbitis, sed laetamini, cum uos ipsos uelitis occidere, ne molestias qualescumque patiamini, et mori eligitis non ab aliis occisi pro ueritate Christi, sed a uobis ipsis pro parte Donati? ista circumcellionum est insania, non martyrum gloria.
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For when some were rejected—who are understood to be the Jews, because they had previously been invited through the prophets and at the hour chose to excuse themselves—the Lord says to his servant: "Go out into the streets and alleys of the city, and bring in here the poor and the weak, the blind and the lame." And the servant says: "Lord, it has been done as you commanded, and there is still room." And the Lord says to the servant: "Go out into the roads and hedges, and compel them to enter, so that my house may be filled." We understand 'roads' to mean heresies, 'hedges' to mean schisms; for 'roads' in this passage signify diverse opinions, but 'hedges' signify perverse opinions. What, then, do you wonder, if whoever neither willingly brought in nor forcibly driven enters this feast dies of spiritual hunger, not of bodily food? Words of the letter: "We rejoice," it says, "in the hatred of the world. In its pressures we do not succumb, but we are glad. This world cannot love the servants of Christ, who is known not to have loved Christ, with the Lord himself saying: 'If the world hates you, know that it hated me first before you. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you.'" To this the response: How do you, rejoicing in the hatred of the world, not succumb to its pressures but are glad, when you yourselves wish to kill yourselves, lest you suffer any kind of troubles, and you choose to die not killed by others for the truth of Christ, but by yourselves for the party of Donatus? That is the madness of the Circumcellions, not the glory of martyrs.
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cum itaque appareant facta uestra, quid uobis uerba usurpatis aliena? mundus iste, inquit, non potest seruos Christi diligere, qui Christum cognoscitur non amasse. non ergo ad mundum istum pertinemus nos, quia diligimus uos; sed serui Christi uos non estis, qui malum pro bono retribuentes et malitiam uestram, quando in nos exercere non potestis, in uos retorquentes nec nos diligitis et uos occiditis. dominus autem quando dixit: si saeculum uos odit, scitote quia me prjorem uobis odio habuit. si me persecuti sunt, et uos persequentur, non uobis, sed illis dixit, quibus praecepit, ut, si eos persequerentur in ista ciuitate, fugerent in aliam, quod uos non facitis. illis dixit, ad quas ciuitates confugerent usque in finem saeculi non defuturas, quas uos querimini uobis iam deesse nec uultis fateri eos, quibus haec dicta sunt, uos non esse.
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Therefore, since your deeds are evident, why do you usurp the words of others? "This world," he says, "cannot love the servants of Christ, who is known not to have loved Christ." So we do not belong to this world, because we love you; but you are not servants of Christ, who, repaying evil for good and turning your malice back upon yourselves when you cannot exercise it against us, neither love us nor kill yourselves. But when the Lord said: "If the world hates you, know that it hated me before you. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you," he said this not to you, but to those to whom he commanded that, if they were persecuted in that city, they should flee to another—which you do not do. He said this to those to whom he indicated the cities to which they might flee, cities that would not be lacking until the end of the world, cities which you complain are already lacking to you, and you refuse to admit that those to whom these words were spoken are not you.
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Uerba epistulae: Sed etsi persecutio conquiescat, inquit, unde martyrum numerus adimpletur, Iohanne dicente: uidi, inquit, animas occisorum sub ara dei exclamantium et dicentium: quamdiu, domine, non iudicas et uindicas sanguinem nostrum de iis qui habitant super terram? et acceperunt singuli stolas albas, et dictum est eis, ut requiescerent adhuc paucum tempus, donec impleatur numerus fratrum ipsorum qui incipient interfici sicut et ipsi? ad haec responsio: Si sub ara Christi martyres esse uelletis, non uos ipsos incendendo sacrificium diabolo faceretis. quis enim gaudet de isto furore uestro nisi diabolus, qui eum uobis inspirat, et qui sunt ex parte illius? ipse est, qui illum puerum, de quo in euangelio legimus, mittebat aliquando in aquam, aliquando in ignem, ipse et illum gregem porcorum praecipitem fluctibus mersit, ipse, ut se de pinna templi praecipitaret, etiam ipsi domino audacissima temptatione suggessit. ad diabolum sine dubio pertinetis, cum tria genera mortis, aquam ignem praecipitium, in uestris mortibus frequentatis. si enim mentes non dementia perderetis, ista ipsa uerba, quae de sancto libro posuisti, ab isto interitu quem uobis ingeritis uos reuocare deberent. quid enim animae martyrum sub ara dei dicunt? quamdiu, domine, non iudicas et uindicas sanguinem nostrum de iis qui habitant super terram?
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The words of the epistle: "But even if persecution ceases," he says, "whence is the number of martyrs filled, John saying: I saw, he says, the souls of those slain under the altar of God crying out and saying: How long, Lord, do you not judge and avenge our blood upon those who dwell on the earth? And each received white robes, and it was said to them that they should rest yet a little while, until the number of their brothers who will begin to be slain as they themselves were is completed?" To this the response: If you wished to be martyrs under the altar of Christ, you would not, by burning yourselves, make a sacrifice to the devil. For who rejoices in this madness of yours except the devil, who inspires it in you, and those who are on his side? It is he who cast that boy, of whom we read in the Gospel, sometimes into water, sometimes into fire; it is he who plunged that herd of swine headlong into the waves; it is he who, to cast himself from the pinnacle of the temple, even suggested it to the Lord himself with the most audacious temptation. You undoubtedly belong to the devil, since you frequent three kinds of death—water, fire, and a precipice—in your deaths. For if madness did not destroy your minds, these very words which you have placed from the holy book ought to recall you from that destruction which you inflict upon yourselves. For what do the souls of the martyrs under the altar of God say? "How long, Lord, do you not judge and avenge our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?
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uindicari poscunt sanguinem suum, in eis utique a quibus fusus est: numquid in aliis? ac per hoc uindicabitur uester in uobis. Quid est autem stultius quam quod putatis prophetiam istam de martyribus, qui futuri praedicti sunt, non nisi in Donatistis esse completam, quasi, posteaquam hoc scripsit beatus Iohannes, nulli martyres sint occisi, quo usque exsurgeret pars Donati, qui si quando alios non possunt se ipsos occidunt, qui faciunt opera latronum et daemonum et gloriam sibi uindicant martyrum? quodsi tanto temporis interuallo, id est a Iohanne usque ad istos, nulli occisi essent martyres ueri, ut nihil aliud, uel temporibus antichristi diceremus futuros, in quibus ille martyrum numerus compleretur, nec tamen istos uel alieni uel sui sanguinis reos accrescere numero uerorum martyrum crederemus, quibus dictum est ut requiescerent paruum tempus, donec impleretur numerus fratrum ipsorum, qui inciperent interfici sicut et ipsi, ab aliis utique, non a se ipsis sicut isti, et ideo isti non sicut ipsi. possumus etiam uerissime dicere ipsos quoque Donatistarum temporibus catholicos quos occidunt ad supplementum illius numeri pertinere.
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They demand that their blood be avenged, certainly by those from whom it was shed: not by others, does it? And therefore your blood will be avenged in you. But what is more foolish than your belief that this prophecy about the martyrs, who were foretold as future, was fulfilled only in the Donatists, as if, after the blessed John wrote this, no martyrs were killed until the party of Donatus arose, who, if they cannot kill others, kill themselves, doing the works of robbers and demons and claiming the glory of martyrs for themselves? For if, over such a long interval of time, that is, from John up to these people, no true martyrs had been killed, we would say, if nothing else, that they would be future in the times of Antichrist, in whom that number of martyrs would be completed; yet we would not believe that these people, guilty of the blood of others or of their own, are added to the number of true martyrs, to whom it was said that they should rest for a short time until the number of their brothers, who began to be killed just as they were, was completed—by others, of course, not by themselves as these people do, and therefore these people are not like them. We can also say most truly that the Catholics whom the Donatists kill in their own times also belong to the supplement of that number.
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sed cum post apostolum Iohannem, qui futura illa conscripsit, tanta strages martyrum interficientibus impiis usque quaque in tam multis gentibus facta sit, quid sibi uolunt isti suarum animarum extortores et alienarum tortores, ut, quod de martyribus sanctis legunt esse praedictum, de se iactent esse completum? praeparate uos potius, ut uester sanguis non in eis, qui uos uel comprehendere uel fugere cupiunt ut uiuatis, sed in uobis potius uindicetur. an forte, ne hoc fiat, ideo non eum funditis, sed aut praecipitio colliditis aut unda suffocatis aut in cinerem conuertitis? sed erratis. uindicabitur in uobis, quocumque modo perimatur a uobis; in uobis enim (etiam) uindicaretur, si non in ecclesia Christi, sed in parte Donati ab aliis funderetur. itane uos clamabitis ad deum, ut uindicet sanguinem uestrum, et exaudiet uos nisi damnauerit uos? quomodo enim uindicetur, nisi qui eum ausus est trucidare damnetur? in hac ergo uoce non estis nisi accusatores uestri, quia uos estis rei sanguinis uestri, nec deus nisi uos damnabit, quando a uobis uel collisum uel suffocatum uel exustum uel quocumque pacto trucidatum uel, si hoc elegeritis, effusum sanguinem uestrum uindicabit.
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But after the Apostle John, who wrote down those future events, such a great slaughter of martyrs was carried out everywhere among so many nations by the impious, what do these extortionists of their own souls and torturers of others mean by boasting that what is read as predicted about the holy martyrs has been fulfilled in themselves? Prepare yourselves rather, so that your blood may be avenged not in those who wish either to arrest you or to have you flee so that you may live, but in yourselves instead. Or perhaps, to prevent this from happening, you do not shed it, but either dash yourselves over a precipice, or drown yourselves by water, or turn yourselves into ashes? But you are mistaken. It will be avenged in you, by whatever means you destroy yourselves; for it would also be avenged in you if it were shed by others not in the Church of Christ, but in the party of Donatus. Will you then cry out to God to avenge your blood, and will He hear you unless He condemns you? For how is it to be avenged, unless the one who dared to slaughter it is condemned? In this cry, therefore, you are nothing but your own accusers, because you are guilty of your own blood, and God will condemn none but you when He avenges your blood, whether it be dashed, drowned, burned, or slaughtered in any way, or, if you choose this, shed.
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Uerba epistulae: An non ista, inquit, persecutio est, quae tot milia innocentum martyrum artauit ad mortem? christiani enim secundum euangelium spiritu prompti, sed carne infirmi a sacrilega contaminatione caminorum reperto compendio suas animas rapuerunt, imitati presbyteri Raziae in Macchabaeorum libris exemplum, nec frustra timentes. quisquis enim in eorum manus inciderit, non euasit. sed quantum uelint faciant: quod certum est, dei esse non pos. sunt qui faciunt contra deum. ad haec responsio: Apertissime omnino quam persecutionem patiamini et uerissime confiteris; ipsa est enim de qua iam dixi, quae in sanctis scripturis de quibusdam impiis satis euidenter expressa est, de quibus dictum est quia persecutionem patiuntur ab ipsis factis suis. quod quidem dici de uobis conuenientissime potest, etiamsi uos aliorum manus propter uestra sacrilegia trucidarent. nam et latrones et quilibet homines rei criminum capitalium, cum iustis legibus puniuntur, non dicendi sunt persecutionem pati nisi ab ipsis factis suis. sed nunc plane cum parcente uobis mansuetudine christiana ita in uos saeuit uestra dementia, ut, quemadmodum dicis, caminorum reperto compendio uestras animas rapiatis, omni modo uos a uobis ipsis pati persecutionem nimia est impudentia si negatis, quando uos utrumque completis, et unde iuste pereatis et quod peritis.
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Words of the letter: "Is not this," he says, "the persecution which has forced so many thousands of innocent martyrs to death? For Christians, according to the Gospel, prompt in spirit but weak in flesh, have snatched away their souls by the discovered shortcut of sacrilegious pyres, imitating the example of the presbyter Razias in the books of Maccabees, and not fearing in vain. For whoever has fallen into their hands has not escaped. But let them do as they wish: what is certain is that they cannot be of God. They are those who act against God." To this the response: You confess most openly and most truly what persecution you suffer; for it is the same of which I have already spoken, which is expressed quite clearly in the holy scriptures concerning certain impious men, of whom it is said that they suffer persecution from their own deeds. This indeed can be said most fittingly of you, even if the hands of others were to slaughter you on account of your sacrileges. For even robbers and any men guilty of capital crimes, when they are punished by just laws, are not to be said to suffer persecution except from their own deeds. But now, clearly, when with the Christian clemency that spares you, your own madness rages against you so that, as you say, you snatch away your souls by the discovered shortcut of pyres, it is excessive impudence if you deny that you suffer persecution from yourselves in every way, since you fulfill both conditions: both that on account of which you justly perish and that you do perish.
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sic autem dicis tot hominum milia esse qui hoc faciunt, quasi non etiam ista sit non parua causa, cur ab huiusmodi magisterio uestro Africa liberetur. eorum est enim hominum genus, cui hoc malum persuadere potuistis, qui sole(ba)ut haec et antea facere, maxime cum idololatriae licentia usque quaque ferueret, quando isti paganorum armis festa sua frequentantium irruebant. uouebant autem pagani iuuenes idolis suis quis quot occideret. at isti gregatim hinc atque inde confluentes tamquam in amphitheatro a uenatoribus more immanium bestiarum uenabulis se oppositis ingerebant, furentes moriebantur, putrescentes sepeliebantur, decipientes colebantur. praeter haec sunt saxa immania et montium horrida praerupta uoluntariorum creberrimis mortibus nobilitata uestrorum. aquis et ignibus rarius id agebant, praecipitiis greges consumebantur ingentes. aetatis nostrae hominibus res notissimas loquor. quis enim nescit hoc genus hominum in horrendis facinoribus inquietum, ab utilibus operibus otiosum, crudelissimum in mortibus alienis, uilissimum in suis, maxime in agris territans, ab agris uacans et uictus sui causa cellas circumiens rusticanas, unde et circumcellionum nomen accepit. uniuerso mundo paene famosissimum Africani erroris opprobrium?
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But you say that so many thousands of men do this, as if it were not also a considerable reason why Africa should be freed from your kind of teaching. For they are the kind of men to whom you were able to persuade this evil, who used to do these things even before, especially when the license of idolatry raged everywhere, when they would rush in upon the pagans celebrating their festivals with arms. Moreover, pagan youths would vow to their idols how many each would kill. And these men, flocking together from here and there, as if in an amphitheater, would thrust themselves against the spears of hunters like wild beasts, raging they died, rotting they were buried, deceiving they were venerated. Besides these, there are the immense rocks and the horrid precipices of mountains, made famous by the very frequent deaths of your volunteers. They did this more rarely by water and fire; huge crowds were consumed by precipices. I speak of things very well known to the men of our age. For who does not know that this kind of men is restless in dreadful crimes, idle from useful works, most cruel in the deaths of others, most worthless in their own, terrifying especially in the countryside, idle from the fields, and for the sake of their livelihood going around rustic cells, whence they received the name Circumcelliones? An almost world-famous disgrace of African error?
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Ex hoc igitur genere quis ignorat quam multi antea per diuersas mortes ibant et peribant, et nunc in illorum comparatione quam pauci suis ignibus ardeant? sed si putas moueri nos oportere, quia isto modo tot milia moriuntur, quantum existimas nos habere consolationis, quod a tanta dementia partis Donati, ubi non solum nefariae diuisionis error, uerum etiam furor iste lex facta est, longe atque incomparabiliter plura milia liberantur? neque enim isti, qui pereunt, illorum saltem numero aequantur, qui ex ipso genere nunc iam tenentur ordine disciplinae colendisque agris amisso circumcellionum et opere et nomine inseruiunt, seruant castitatem, tenent unitatem: quanto minus coaequantur isti perditi numero utriusque sexus non solum puerorum et puellarum, iuuenum et uirginum, uerum etiam coniugatorum et senum, quorum innumerabiles ex Donatistarum nefaria dissensione in pacem Christi ueram et catholicam transeunt! isti quippe, qui se incendunt, nec tot homines sunt quot loca sunt populis plena, qui ab exitiali peste erroris illius et furoris per hanc instantiam perficiendae unitatis eruuntur. numquidnam. obsecro, sanum misericordiae potest esse consilium, ut simul cum illis isti omnes aeternis gehennarum suppliciis seruentur, ne illi in istorum comparatione perpauci suorum caminorum ignibus exurantur?
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From this kind, therefore, who does not know how many formerly went and perished by various deaths, and how few now burn in their own fires in comparison with them? But if you think we ought to be moved because so many thousands die in this way, how much consolation do you suppose we have, in that from such great madness of the Donatist party, where not only the error of the nefarious division but also that fury has been made into law, far and incomparably more thousands are being freed? For those who perish are not even equal in number to those of that same kind who are now held in the order of discipline and, by cultivating the fields, having lost both the work and the name of circumcelliones, serve, preserve chastity, and maintain unity; how much less are these lost ones equal in number to those of both sexes, not only boys and girls, young men and virgins, but also married people and the elderly, countless numbers of whom are crossing over from the nefarious dissension of the Donatists into the true and Catholic peace of Christ! For those who burn themselves are not as many men as there are places full of people who are being rescued from the deadly plague of that error and fury through this effort of completing unity. Can it be, I ask, a sound counsel of mercy, that all these should be kept together with those for the eternal punishments of hell, lest those very few in comparison with these be burned by the fires of their own furnaces?
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ut enim omnes cum Christo uiuant, magnis conatibus et uotis agendum est; sed si hoc per quorundam furorem fieri non potest, saltem ut non omnes cum diabolo pereant laborandum est. Sane de scripturis sanctis sagacissime inquirens, si quid proferre posses pro ista spontaneae mortis sententia insana, inuenisse te aliquid putas, quia scriptum est in euangelio: spiritus quidem promptus est, caro autem infirma, tamquam ideo se quisque occidere debeat, quia infirmus est ad passiones inter manus persequentium sustinendas..non potuisti citius dicere falsos martyres uestros ex illorum esse numero, de quibus scriptum est: uae his qui perdiderunt sustinentiam, et ad illos prorsus non pertinere, quibus dominus dicit: in uestra patientia possidebitis animas uestras. de quibus autem legitur: spiritus promptus est, caro autem infirma, somno non uoluntario premebantur, non interitu uoluntario necabantur. diligenter lege et quid loquaris attende. ubi est quod apostolus ait: fidelis deus, qui non permittet uos temptari super id quod potestis, sed faciet cum temptatione etiam exitum, ut possitis sustinere? itane credendum non est huic apostolicae ueritati et inimicos debemus nos ipsos habere, quia inimicos non possumus alios sustinere? absit hoc a cordibus christianis.
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For indeed, it must be striven with great efforts and vows that all may live with Christ; but if this cannot be done because of the madness of some, at least it must be labored that not all perish with the devil. Certainly, inquiring most shrewdly from the holy scriptures, if you could bring forth anything for that insane opinion of voluntary death, you think you have found something because it is written in the Gospel: "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak," as if anyone ought to kill himself because he is weak for enduring sufferings at the hands of persecutors. You could have said more quickly that your false martyrs are from that number of whom it is written: "Woe to those who have lost endurance," and that they do not pertain at all to those to whom the Lord says: "In your patience you will possess your souls." But concerning those of whom it is read: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak," they were oppressed by involuntary sleep, not killed by voluntary destruction. Read carefully and pay attention to what you are saying. Where is what the Apostle says: "God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear, but will make with the temptation also an outcome, so that you can endure"? Is this apostolic truth not to be believed, and must we have ourselves as enemies, because we cannot endure others as enemies? Far be this from Christian hearts.
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plane fideli apostolo, immo ipsi fideli deo, qui non sinit suos temptari supra quam ferre possunt, sed facit cum temptatione etiam exitum, ut possint sustinere, credant catholici, non credant Donatistae, et ne semper ista non credant, non sint Donatistae. quando enim desperatur in quibusque passionibus a domino impetranda patientia et ideo quaeritur compendium caminorum, ubi se isti non quidem feris, ut ait beatissimus Cyprianus, sed tamen flammis obiciunt, quos nemo damnauit, non est hoc consilium sed furor, non est sapientia sed amentia. habeant isti incendia sua, qui non dicunt de adiutorio domini: quoniam ab ipso patientia mea. Certe sanctus Iob, quando a capite usque ad pedes intolerabili uulnere putrescebat et doloribus excruciabatur immanibus, hoc uestrum compendium habebat in promptu, quo se ab huiusmodi uita horrendis calamitatibus plena, in qua procul dubio manebat, nolebat eripere. potestas utique aderat, sed iustitia non sinebat. secundum hoc enim dicit: atque utinam possem me occidere aut rogare alium ut faceret mihi hoc. negauit se posse iustus, quod per iustitiam fieri non poterat. eo loquendi modo et apostolus ad Galatas dicit: testimonium uobis perhibeo, quia, si fieri posset, oculos eruissetis et dedissetis mihi. cur enim et hoc fieri non posset, nisi quia iuste fieri nullo modo posset?
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Clearly, the faithful apostle—indeed, the faithful God Himself, who does not allow His own to be tempted beyond what they can bear, but provides with temptation also the outcome so that they can endure—let Catholics believe this, let Donatists not believe it, and that they may not always disbelieve it, let them not be Donatists. For when patience is despaired of in any passions to be obtained from the Lord, and therefore a shortcut of furnaces is sought, where these men cast themselves not indeed to beasts, as the most blessed Cyprian says, but nevertheless to flames, which no one has condemned, this is not counsel but madness, not wisdom but insanity. Let them have their own fires, who do not speak of the Lord’s help: because from Him comes my patience. Certainly, the holy Job, when he was rotting from head to foot with an unbearable wound and was tormented with monstrous pains, had this shortcut of yours at hand, by which he could have snatched himself from a life of this kind, full of horrible calamities, in which he undoubtedly remained, but he did not wish to be taken away. The power was certainly present, but justice did not permit it. For according to this, he says: “And would that I could kill myself, or ask another to do this for me.” The just man denied that he could do what could not be done justly. In that manner of speaking, the apostle also says to the Galatians: “I bear witness to you that, if it were possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.” For why could this not be done, unless because it could in no way be done justly?
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sic et dominus, cum per angelos suos iustum Loth de Sodomis exeuntem urgeret, ut properaret in Segor: non enim, inquit, potero facere rem, donec tu illo introeas. non posse se dixit, quod sine dubio poterat per potentiam, sed non poterat per iustitiam. posset enim patientissimus Iob, ut nihil aliud, uel cibum uel potum non sumere atque ita illam uitam aerumnosam horrendamque consumere; sed hoc iuste facere non posset, quoniam nulli fas est se ipsum occidere, maxime cum, ut possit uiuere, possit fugere. an hoc aliquis dubitauerit, quod ille uir sanctus, qui tam multa in suis doloribus loquebatur, rogare ut hoc sibi fieret aliquem posset? neque enim, ut dolenti et putrescenti manus defuit ad perimendum, et lingua defuit ad rogandum. certe uel ipsam coniugem suam poterat hoc rogare. quae tamen ut hoc fieret nec ipsa suggessit, quae illum mori per eius blasphemiam deo irascente cupiebat, ideoque aliquid in deum consilio nefando (dicens) tamen ut ipse se occideret ei dicere non audebat. plus iuris in uos diabolus habet, qui uobis tam facile persuadet, quod insipienti mulieri persuadere non potuerat, quam sibi ministram ad decipiendum uirum suis illi ablatis omnibus reseruauit. dixit itaque se iustus ille non posse aliquem rogare ut eum interficeret, etiam id ostendens utique non licere.
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Thus also the Lord, when through His angels He urged the just Lot, as he was departing from Sodom, to hasten to Segor: "For," He said, "I will not be able to do the deed until you enter there." He said He was not able to do what He undoubtedly could do by power, but which He could not do by justice. For the most patient Job could, if nothing else, have refrained from taking food or drink and thus have ended that wretched and horrible life; but he could not justly do this, since no one is permitted to kill himself, especially when, in order to be able to live, he is able to flee. Or would anyone doubt that that holy man, who spoke so much in his sufferings, could have asked someone to do this for him? For neither did his hand, in pain and festering, fail him for killing, nor did his tongue fail him for asking. Certainly he could have asked even his own wife. Yet she, who desired him to die through his blasphemy while God was angry, did not even suggest that this be done; and therefore, though she said something in a wicked counsel against God, she did not dare to tell him to kill himself. The devil has more power over you, who so easily persuades you of what he could not persuade a foolish woman, whom he had kept as his servant for deceiving her husband after taking everything from him. Thus that just man said that he could not ask anyone to kill him, thereby showing that it is certainly not permitted.
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quod enim non potest iuste, non potest iustus, quoniam hoc decernendo prius amittit iustitiam, ut, quod non potest iustus, possit iniustus. sic ergo dixit: atque utinam possem me ipsum interficere, tamquam diceret atque utinam iustum esset'; tunc enim a iusto fieri posset. neque enim, ut hoc posset quod non potest nisi iniustus, iniustitiam sibi optaret, sed si fieri posset, hanc uellet esse iustitiam. quod fieri quia non potuit, ut haec esset iustitia, non potuit iustus quod sola faceret iniustitia. ac per hoc non est iniustum homini iusto optare mortem, quando amarissima est uita, sed si deus optatam non dederit, non erit iustum nisi tolerare eam amarissimam uitam. sicut a iusto nec illud alienum est, ut optet uitam, quando amara mors imminet, sed cum se uidet eam impetrare non posse, dicit quod nos in se transfigurans dominus ait: uerum non quod ego uolo, sed quod tu u i s, pater. haec autem illis dicenda sunt, quos ad mala gerenda quaerunt qui persequuntur, non quos ad bona participanda qui diligunt; eis, inquam, dicenda sunt ista, qui persecutionem patiuntur propter iustitiam, non qui eam sibi faciunt propter iniustitiam.
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For what cannot be done justly, the just man cannot do, since in decreeing this he first loses justice, so that what the just man cannot do, the unjust man can. Thus he spoke: "And would that I could kill myself," as if he were saying, "And would that it were just"; for then it could be done by a just man. For he would not wish for injustice so that he could do what only the unjust man can do, but if it were possible, he would want this to be justice. Because it could not happen that this would be justice, the just man could not do what only injustice would accomplish. And through this it is not unjust for a just man to wish for death, when life is very bitter, but if God does not grant the wished-for death, it will not be just to endure anything other than that very bitter life. Just as it is not alien to a just man to wish for life, when bitter death threatens, but when he sees that he cannot obtain it, he says what the Lord, transfiguring us in Himself, says: "Truly not what I want, but what You want, Father." But these things are to be said to those whom the persecutors seek for the purpose of enduring evils, not to those whom those who love seek for the purpose of sharing goods; these things, I say, are to be said to those who suffer persecution on account of justice, not to those who inflict it on themselves on account of injustice.
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Proinde etiam senior ille Razias, quem sibi isti exemplis sui sceleris destituti de Machabaeorum libris tamquam imitandum se inuenisse gloriantur, hoc facere debuit, quod in eisdem litteris leguntur septem illi fratres etiam exhortante matre fecisse, ut comprehensus et a lege domini sui non auersus omne, quod ei applicitum esset, acciperet et in dolore sustineret et in humilitate sua patientiam haberet. quocirca humilitatem inter manus inimicorum non ualens ferre non plane sapientiae, sed insipientiae dedit exemplum non Christi martyribus, sed Donati circumcellionibus imitandum. uerumtamen si diligentius consideremus, et ab isto apparetis alieni. iste quippe, cum iam comprehenderetur ab hostibus, non habuit liberam fugam. ideo se gladio percussit et, cum perimere non potuisset, de muro se praecipitauit, deinde abruptam petram, cum iam uiuere non posset, adhuc tamen spirans et corpus impetu mouens, currendo licet exsanguis obtinuit, ubi utraque manu producta sua intestina discerpsit dispersit occubuit, turba ita circumdatus, ut euadere non posset, etsi uiuere posset. uos igitur, qui nec dominum auditis dicentem: fugite nec imitamini Razian, qui uoluit nec potuit fugere, profecto, quia non habetis illum in praecepto, nec habetis istum in exemplo. quid quod iste Razias secundum uestram rationem sine dubitatione culpandus est?
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Therefore, even that elder Razias, whom these men, bereft of examples for their crime, boast of having found in the books of the Maccabees as though to be imitated, ought to have done what those seven brothers are read to have done in the same writings, even with their mother exhorting them: that is, when captured and not turned away from the law of his Lord, he should have accepted everything that was applied to him, endured it in pain, and maintained patience in his humility. Consequently, unable to bear humility at the hands of his enemies, he gave an example not of wisdom, but of folly, to be imitated not by Christ's martyrs, but by Donatus's circumcellions. However, if we consider more carefully, you are shown to be alien even from him. For that man, when he was already being seized by his enemies, did not have free flight. Therefore, he struck himself with his sword, and when he could not kill himself, he threw himself from the wall, then from a jagged rock, while he could no longer live, yet still breathing and moving his body with a rush, running though bloodless he reached a place where, with both hands drawn forth, he tore apart and scattered his own entrails and fell, surrounded by a crowd so that he could not escape, even if he could live. You, therefore, who neither hear the Lord saying "flee" nor imitate Razias, who wished but could not flee, assuredly have neither him in precept nor him in example. What of the fact that this Razias, according to your reasoning, is without doubt to be blamed?
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dixisti enim propter euangelicam sententiam, ubi dominus ait: spiritus quidem promptus est, caro autem infirma, uos ad caminorum fugisse compendium, quia uidelicet infirmi estis perferre manus inimicorum, si ab eis comprehensi fueritis. ergo illius, qui se gladio grauiter uulnerauit, qui uulneratus murum petiit, qui se inde in ceruicem praecipitem dedit, qui et postea potuit ad petram currere, in petra stare, intestina educere carpere spargere, numquid dici potest spiritus promptus, caro autem infirma? cuius non solum spiritus tam promptus apparuit, sed etiam caro tam firma, ut uix credibile sit eum facere uoluisse ac ualuisse quae fecit. itaque uobis oportet iste displiceat, qui rationem uestrae infirmitatis sua firmitate perturbat. porro si fugere ualens nec uolens in domum suam ligna congessisset atque irruentibus inimicis, ut eum comprehenderent, ignem supposuisset seque cum suis aedibus concremasset, uobis quidem praebuisset exemplum, sed sibi adquisisset grande tormentum. nunc autem, quoniam fugere non ualuit, aliquanto minus est fortasse sui sanguinis reus, quod sibi intulit mortem, quam comprehenso inimicus iam fuerat illaturus.
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You said, on account of the evangelical saying where the Lord says, "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak," that you have fled to the shortcut of the pyres, because evidently you are too weak to endure the hands of your enemies if you are caught by them. Therefore, of that man who severely wounded himself with a sword, who, wounded, sought the wall, who from there threw himself headlong, who even afterwards was able to run to a rock, stand on the rock, and draw out, seize, and scatter his own entrails—can it be said that the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak? Not only did his spirit appear so willing, but even his flesh was so strong that it is scarcely credible that he was willing and able to do what he did. And so this man must displease you, because he disturbs the rationale of your weakness by his own strength. Moreover, if he, being able to flee but unwilling, had gathered wood in his own house and, when the enemies were rushing in to capture him, had set fire to it and burned himself along with his dwelling, he would indeed have provided an example for you, but he would have acquired great torment for himself. Now, however, because he was unable to flee, he is perhaps somewhat less guilty of his own blood, in that he inflicted death upon himself than the enemy would have inflicted upon him when captured.
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At enim sanctarum scripturarum auctoritate laudatus est Razias'. quomodo laudatus? quia fuit amator ciuitatis: hoc potuit et carnaliter, ciuitatis uidelicet illius terrenae Hierusalem quae seruit cum filiis suis, non autem illius quae sursum, liberae matris nostrae. laudatus est, quia continentiam seruauit in Iudaismo: at haec sibi in comparatione iustitiae christianae damna et stercora fuisse dicit apostolus. laudatus est, quia pater Iudaeorum appellabatur : hoc magis est unde et illi tamquam homini subrepsit humilitatis impatientia, ut prius mori uellet quam hostibus subici. dictum est, quod elegerit nobiliter mori: melius uellet humiliter, sic enim utiliter. illis autem uerbis historia gentium laudare consueuit, sed uiros fortes huius saeculi, non martyres Christi. dictum est, quod se uiriliter de muro praecipitauit in turbas: nec nos dicimus eum hoc fecisse muliebriter. quamquam uos, qui multum exemplo isto profecistis, etiam feminas uestras hoc facere docuistis: sed fatemur hoc etiam ipsas non facere muliebriter, sed uiriliter, non tamen salubriter, quia non fideliter. ad extremum quod inuocasse dictus est dominatorem uitae ac spiritus, ut haec illi iterum redderet, id est uitam et spiritum, nec tunc aliquid poposcit, quo boni discernuntur a malis. reddet enim haec deus et his qui male egerunt non in resurrectione uitae aeternae, sed in resurrectione indicii aeterni.
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Indeed, Razias is praised by the authority of the holy scriptures. How is he praised? Because he was a lover of the city: this could be understood even in a carnal sense, namely of that earthly Jerusalem which serves with her sons, not of that heavenly one, our free mother. He is praised because he preserved continence in Judaism: but the apostle says that these things, in comparison with Christian righteousness, are losses and dung. He is praised because he was called the father of the Jews: this is all the more reason why impatience with humility crept upon him as a man, so that he preferred to die before being subjected to enemies. It is said that he chose to die nobly: he would have done better to choose humbly, for thus it would have been useful. But with those words, the history of the Gentiles is accustomed to praise, but strong men of this world, not martyrs of Christ. It is said that he manfully threw himself from the wall into the crowds: nor do we say that he did this in a womanish manner. Although you, who have profited greatly from this example, have also taught your women to do this: but we admit that even they do this not in a womanish manner, but manfully, yet not healthfully, because not faithfully. Finally, that he is said to have invoked the ruler of life and spirit, that he might return these to him again, that is, life and spirit, and even then he did not ask for anything by which the good are distinguished from the evil. For God will return these even to those who have acted wickedly, not in the resurrection of eternal life, but in the resurrection of eternal judgment.
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laudatus est itaque iste Razias amator ciuitatis ut ualde bene audiens, id est bonae famae, quia pater Iudaeorum appellatus est et quod continentiam tenuerit in Iudaismo. istam uero eius mortem mirabiliorem quam prudentiorem narrauit quemadmodum facta est, non tamquam facienda esset scriptura laudauit. nostrum est autem, sicut apostolus admonet, omnia probare, quae bona sunt tenere, ab omni specie mala nos abstinere.
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Therefore this Razias was praised as a lover of the city, so that he was very well spoken of, that is, of good repute, because he was called the father of the Jews and because he maintained continence in Judaism. But scripture narrated this death of his as more remarkable than prudent, in the manner in which it happened, not as if it were to be praised as something to be done. It is for us, however, as the apostle admonishes, to test all things, to hold fast to what is good, and to abstain from every appearance of evil.
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Et hanc quidem scripturam, quae appellatur Macchabaeorum, non habent Iudaei sicut legem et prophetas et psalmos, quibus dominus testimonium perhibet tamquam testibus suis, dicens: oportebat impleri omnia quae scripta sunt in lege et prophetis et [in] psalmis de me, sed recepta est ab ecclesia non inutiliter, si sobrie legatur uel audiatur, maxime propter illos Macchabaeos, qui pro dei lege sicut ueri martyres a persecutoribus tam indigna atque horrenda perpessi sunt, ut etiam hinc populus christianus aduerteret, quoniam non sunt condignae passiones huius temporis ad futuram gloriam quae reuelabitur in nobis, pro quibus passus est Christus, si tanta patientissime pertulerunt pro lege quam dedit deus per famulum hominibus illis, pro quibus nondum tradiderat filium: quamquam et iste Kazias habeat quod legentibus prosit, non solum ut mens exerceatur recte iudicando quod legit, uerum etiam ut animus humanus, immo animus christianus aduerteret, quanta ferenda sint ab inimicis ardore caritatis, cum a se ipso iste timore humilitatis tanta pertulerit. sed ardor caritatis de sublimitate descendit gratiae diuinae, timor autem humilitatis ex amore accidit laudis humanae, et ideo ille certat per patientiam, hic autem peccat per impatientiam.
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And this scripture, which is called Maccabees, the Jews do not hold in the same way as the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms, to which the Lord bears witness as to his own witnesses, saying: it was necessary that all things written in the Law and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning me be fulfilled. But it has been received by the Church not without benefit, if it is read or heard soberly, especially on account of those Maccabees, who, for the law of God, as true martyrs, suffered such unworthy and horrible things at the hands of persecutors, that even from this the Christian people might take note, since the sufferings of this time are not commensurate with the future glory that will be revealed in us, for which Christ suffered, if they so patiently endured such great things for the law which God gave through a servant to those men, for whom he had not yet given up his Son. Although this Razias also has something that may benefit readers, not only so that the mind may be exercised in judging rightly what it reads, but also so that the human spirit, indeed the Christian spirit, might take note of how much is to be borne from enemies by the ardor of charity, when this man, from fear of humility, endured such great things by himself. But the ardor of charity descends from the height of divine grace, whereas fear of humility arises from love of human praise; and therefore the former contends through patience, while the latter sins through impatience.
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non itaque debemus, quidquid in scripturis etiam dei testimonio laudatos homines fecisse legerimus, consentiendo approbare, sed considerando discernere, adhibentes iudicium non sane nostrae auctoritatis, sed scripturarum diuinarum atque sanctarum, quae nos nec illorum hominum, quibus illic bonum atque praeclarum testimonium perhibetur, omnia uel imitari uel laudare facta permittit, si quae non recte ab eis facta sunt uel huic iam tempori non conueniunt.. sed de iis, quae tunc fuerant recta, nunc non sunt, quid opus est aliquid in hac quaestione discutere, cum hoc, unde agitur, ut sibi quis inferat mortem, maxime cui conceditur uel potius qui compellitur uiuere, in eis sit factis, quae nec poterunt umquam recta esse nec potuerunt, sicut satis iam demonstrauimus? Proinde quomodolibet accipiatur a uobis huius Raziae uita laudata, non habet mors eius laudatricem sapientiam, quia non habet dignam dei famulis patientiam, potiusque huic uox illa sapientiae, quae non laudis, sed detestationis est, competit: uae his qui perdiderunt sustinentiam. nam si laudatorum facta omnia creditis imitanda, numquid melior est iste Razias quam Dauid? cur ergo eius factum de aliena uxore appetenda eiusque occidendo marito nullus bonus sibi proponit (imitandum), sed potius cauendum atque uitandum? numquid melior est Razias quam Salomon?
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Therefore, we ought not to approve with consent whatever we read that men, even those praised by the testimony of God, have done in the Scriptures, but rather to discern by considering, applying the judgment not of our own authority, but of the divine and holy Scriptures, which does not permit us either to imitate or to praise all the deeds of those men to whom a good and illustrious testimony is given there, if any things were done by them not rightly or are not suitable to this present time. But concerning those things which were then right but are now not, what need is there to discuss anything in this question, when this matter at hand—that someone inflicts death upon himself, especially one who is permitted or rather compelled to live—is among those deeds which neither could ever be right nor could have been, as we have already sufficiently demonstrated? Accordingly, however you may interpret this praised life of Razias, his death does not have praiseworthy wisdom, because it does not have patience worthy of God's servants; rather, that voice of wisdom, which is not of praise but of detestation, applies to him: "Woe to those who have lost their endurance." For if you believe all the deeds of the praised are to be imitated, is this Razias better than David? Why then does no good man set before himself to imitate his deed of coveting another man's wife and killing her husband, but rather to beware of and avoid it? Is Razias better than Solomon?
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placetne ergo uobis, ut eius erga mulieres lasciuiae, quarum seductionibus usque ad templa idolis fabricanda perductus est, imitandum proponamus exemplum? numquid melior Razias quam Petrus apostolus, qui ubi dixit: tu es Christus filius dei uiui, tam beatus a domino appellatus est, ut claues regni caelorum accipere mereretur, nec tamen in eo creditur imitandus, ubi mox eodem momento reprehensus audiuit: uade post me, satanas; non enim . sapis quae dei sunt, sed quae hominum? atque ut haec taceam, quae uoce apertissima sancta ecclesiae scriptura culpauit, et ea dicam, quae tantummodo ibi narrata atque conscripta sunt nec de his est in alter(utr)am partem laudis aut reprehensionis lata sententia, sed quae nobis iudicanda permissa sunt, numquid melior Razias quam Noe? quis autem illum uirum, quod iacuit ebrius, laudauerit sobrius? numquid melior est Razias quam ludas patriarcha? quis tamen eum approbet, cui placeat, quem non rectissime offendat in illa fornicatione, quandoquidem non ad suam nurum, quia hoc ignorauit, uerumtamen ad eam quam meretricem putauit ingressus est? numquid melior est Razias quam Samson? audete itaque dicere, si potestis, illud quod in crinibus habuit uirtutis magnum diuinumque secretum blandienti mulierculae fuisse prodendum.
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Does it please you, then, that we should set up as an example to be imitated his licentiousness toward women, by whose seductions he was led even to building temples for idols? Is Razias better than the apostle Peter, who, when he said, "You are Christ, the son of the living God," was called blessed by the Lord, so that he merited to receive the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and yet is not believed to be imitable in that where, immediately in the same moment, he was rebuked and heard: "Get behind me, Satan; for you do not understand what pertains to God, but what pertains to men"? And to pass over these things, which the most clear voice of holy church Scripture has condemned, and to speak of those things which are only narrated and written there, and concerning which no sentence of praise or blame has been passed on either side, but which are left to us to judge, is Razias better than Noah? Yet who, being sober, would praise that man because he lay drunk? Is Razias better than the patriarch Judah? Yet who would approve him, who would be pleased by him, whom would he not most rightly offend in that fornication, since he entered, not to his daughter-in-law (for he was ignorant of this), but indeed to the woman he thought was a prostitute? Is Razias better than Samson? Dare to say, then, if you can, that the great and divine secret of strength which he had in his hair was to be revealed to a flattering little woman.
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nam illud quod cum inimicis occidit et se ipsum, quando super se atque illos deiecit domum, mortem quam mox ab eis fuerat perpessurus communem uoluit cum illis habere, quia non posset euadere. quod quidem non sua sponte fecit, sed hoc spiritui dei tribuendum est, qui usus est eo, ut faceret quando illi adfuit, quod facere non poterat quando idem spiritus defuit. sicut Abrahae factum, quando filium uoluit immolare, quod deo iubente fuit oboedientia, deo non iubente quid fuisset nisi dementia? His sacris litteris eruditus beatus Cyprianus in confessione sua dixit disciplinam prohibere ne quis se offerat. uidete, . quantum mali faciatis, cum uos uultis occidere, qui essetis indisciplinati, etiam si uos aliis hoc uobis facere cupientibus uelletis offerre. fugam praecipit quem uocatis saluatorem, fugam permittit persecutor: quid ergo sequimini, ut uestris ignibus pereatis, nisi uestrum furorem? et tamen dicis: an non est ista persecutio, quae tot milia innocentum artauit ad mortem? ostendite, quomodo sitis innocentes, qui Christum diuiditis et uos occiditis. ostendite, quomodo artemini ad mortem, quibus fuga et diuinitus iubetur et humanitus relaxatur. ostendite, quemadmodum caminorum compendio animas uestras a contaminatione rapiatis, quas potius caminorum sacrilegio tamquam diabolico sacrificio contaminatissimas facitis.
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For that deed, when he killed himself along with his enemies, by collapsing the house upon himself and them, he intended to share with them the death he was about to suffer at their hands, since he could not escape. This, indeed, he did not do of his own accord, but it is to be attributed to the spirit of God, who made use of him so that he could do, when that spirit was present with him, what he could not do when the same spirit was absent. Just as in the case of Abraham, when he wished to sacrifice his son—which, when God commanded, was obedience; but if God had not commanded, what would it have been but madness? Instructed by these sacred Scriptures, the blessed Cyprian said in his confession that discipline forbids anyone to offer himself. See how great an evil you commit when you wish to kill yourselves, who would be undisciplined even if you wished to offer yourselves to others who desire to do this to you. The one you call Savior commands flight; the persecutor permits flight: what then do you follow, that you perish by your own fires, if not your own madness? And yet you say: Is this not a persecution, which has driven so many thousands of the innocent to death? Show how you are innocent, you who divide Christ and kill yourselves. Show how you are driven to death, you to whom flight is both commanded by the divine and permitted by the human. Show how, by the shortcut of the furnaces, you snatch your souls from contamination, which you rather make most contaminated by the sacrilege of the furnaces, as if by a diabolical sacrifice.
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interrogate Christum: iubet uos fugere; interrogate tribunum: permittit uos fugere; si et ipsum Razian interrogare possetis, responderet nobis: (ego' non potui fugere.' uos ergo nec Christum saluatorem nec tribunum persecutorem nec Razian auctorem habetis. Quod autem dixisti, ut se ipsos uestri occiderent, non eos frustra timuisse, quoniam quisquis in nostras uel nostrorum manus incidit non euasit, quid (non) euaserit quaero. si mortem, cur eam uobis infertis manibus uestris, si hanc timetis a nostris? sed manifestum est non de morte uos dicere. nam quantum cupiamus uos uiuere, etiam ipsi scitis; ideo nos de uestra morte terretis. proinde si communionem nostram dicis neminem uestrum qui in manus nostras incidit euasisse, utinam uerum diceres! ualde quippe feliciter non euaderent communionem quae offertur a catholicis, ut euaderent damnationem quae paratur haereticis. sed falsum esse quod dicis uel ex uestro Emerito cogitare potuisti, qui, cum uenisset ad nos, facilius est ueritate conuictus quam communicare compulsus. sunt et alii fama quidem minores, sed stultitia pares. quisquis enim fuit similis uanitatis, ut contra manifestissimam ueritatem peruersissima uerecundia fieret pertinax, cum putari erubescit inconstans, expers a nobis catholicae communionis abscessit.
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Ask Christ: he commands you to flee; ask the tribune: he permits you to flee; if you could also ask Razias himself, he would answer you: 'I could not flee.' You, therefore, have neither Christ the savior, nor the tribune the persecutor, nor Razias the author. As for what you said, that your people killed themselves not without reason fearing, because whoever falls into our hands or the hands of our people does not escape—I ask, what did he not escape? If death, why do you inflict it upon yourselves with your own hands, if you fear it from ours? But it is clear that you are not speaking of death. For how much we desire you to live, even you yourselves know; that is why you frighten us with your death. Therefore, if you say that none of your people who fall into our hands escape our communion—would that you spoke the truth! For they would indeed happily not escape the communion offered by Catholics, so that they might escape the damnation prepared for heretics. But what you say is false, as you could have considered even from your Emeritus, who, when he came to us, was more easily convinced by the truth than compelled to communicate. There are others, lesser in fame, it is true, but equal in folly. For whoever was of similar vanity, so that against the most manifest truth he became obstinate out of the most perverse shame, blushing to be thought inconstant, departed from us without Catholic communion.
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sed ideo dixisti: quisquis in eorum manus incidit non euasit, quoniam paucissimos apertissimae ueritati perseueranter resistentes et discedentes latere arbitratus es. sed Emerito fecisti secundum uos grauissimam iniuriam, qui perdidit apud te duritiae suae laudem. tamquam frustra esse uoluerit inter paucos ueritati non consentientes, quia deputari (non) meruit inter latentes. quis nostrum non te credat inuidere collegae? aut si non inuides, imitare. ueni ad nos et tu sicut ipse, audi quod dicimus sicut ipse, responde, si potes, quod non potuit ipse; si autem nec respondere nec communicare uolueris, discede sicut ipse. ecce ille de nostris manibus illaesus abscessit; tu quare dicis: quisquis in eorum manus incidit non euasit? ecce ille non sibi credidit loca defutura ubi posset latere; tu quare disponis ardere? itane nondum uides uos esse potius, qui non pertinetis ad deum et qui facitis contra deum non solum peste communi, qua Christi unitati resistitis, sed etiam nos praecipue, qui huic tanto sceleri uestro etiam mortes addere festinatis?
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But you said: "Whoever falls into their hands does not escape," because you thought that very few, who persistently resist the most obvious truth and depart, are hidden. But you have done Emeritus a very grave injury, according to your own standards, for he has lost in your eyes the praise of his own stubbornness—as if he wished in vain to be among the few who do not consent to the truth, because he did not deserve to be counted among the hidden. Who among us would not believe that you envy your colleague? Or if you do not envy him, imitate him. Come to us yourself, as he did; hear what we say, as he did; answer, if you can, what he could not; but if you are unwilling either to answer or to communicate, depart, as he did. Behold, he left our hands unharmed; why then do you say: "Whoever falls into their hands does not escape"? Behold, he did not trust that places would be lacking where he could hide; why then do you plan to burn? Do you not yet see that it is you who do not belong to God, and who act against God not only with the common plague by which you resist the unity of Christ, but also especially against us, who hasten to add even deaths to this great crime of yours?
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Uerba epistulae: Sed quoniam prudentiam tuam, inquit, exsecutoris officium non decebat, quaeso paucis aduerte. alia est ut reor solida ueritas, alia effigies ueritatis. quoniam ueritas robore suo firmata constat, idolum siue simulacrum est quod in iniuriam ueri simile fecerit humana praesumptio; numquam tamen potest praeiudicare ueritati fallacia. simulacrorum cultores dico, qui non tenent ueritatem ; sub alieno uocabulo gentilem existimo, qui facit sibi quod colat. unde publicum apertumque est, quod minis siue terrore et persecutionibus crebris Gabinium similesque de naturae libertate sublatos ipsi sibi quos uenerarentur perfidos fabricasse noscuntur, ad quorum cultum coguntur inuiti. ad haec responsio: Adhuc addis furori uestro uerba blasphemiae et audes dicere ecclesiam catholicam humanum esse figmentum, cui dicit deus: ego enim sum dominus qui facio te, dominus nomen ei. et. ut sciamus ipsam eam catholicam uniuerso terrarum orbe diffusam, sequitur et adiungit: et qui eruit te ipse deus Israel uniuersae terrae uocabitur. hoc euidentissimum dei opus humanum dicitis esse figmentum nec uos respicitis, quod ab ista ecclesia, quam se promisit deus in uniuersa terra esse facturum, nullo modo separaremini, nisi hominem sequeremini. nos eum sequimur, qui dixit Abrahae: in semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes.
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Words of the letter: "But since your prudence, he says, was not suited to the office of executor, I ask you to attend briefly. There is, as I think, one solid truth, another image of truth. Since truth stands firm by its own strength, an idol or simulacrum is what human presumption has made similar to the true, to its injury; yet falsehood can never prejudice truth. I call worshipers of simulacra those who do not hold the truth; under a foreign name, I consider a pagan one who makes for himself what he worships. Hence it is public and open that by threats or terror and frequent persecutions, Gabinius and his like, removed from the freedom of nature, are known to have fabricated for themselves the faithless ones whom they venerate, to whose worship they are forced unwillingly." To this the response: You still add words of blasphemy to your madness and dare to say that the Catholic Church is a human fabrication, to which God says: "I am the Lord who makes you, the Lord is his name." And, so that we may know that this same Catholic Church is spread throughout the whole world, it follows and adds: "And he who delivers you, the God of Israel himself, will be called God of the whole earth." This most evident work of God you call a human fabrication, and you do not look at yourselves, that you would in no way be separated from this Church, which God promised to make throughout the whole earth, unless you were following a man. We follow him who said to Abraham: "In your seed all nations will be blessed.
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eum sequimui, qui dixit ipsi ecclesiae suae quod modo commemoraui: ego sum dominus qui facio te, dominus nomen ei, et qui eruit te ipse deus Israel uniuersae terrae uocabitur. propterea tenentes ecclesiam, quae dilatatur et crescit per omnes gentes et per uniuersam terram, non utique figmentum sequimur humanum, sed promissum factumque diuinum. uos quid sequimini, ut ab huius diuinae promissionis et diuini operis communione diuisi uelitis esse de parte Donati? peccato Caeciliani perisse de orbe terrarum promissiones dei et remansisse in parte Donati homo uobis dixit an deus? si deus, legite hoc nobis ex lege prophetis psalmis, apostolicis et euangelicis litteris. legite, si potestis, quod in collatione nostra minime potuistis. si autem homines ista dixerunt, de quibus dictum est: firmauerunt sibi sermonem mali gnum, ecce humanum figmentum, ecce quod colitis, ecce cui seruitis, ecce propter quod rebellatis insanitis ardetis.
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We follow Him who said to His own Church, as I have just recalled: "I am the Lord who makes you, the Lord is His name, and He who delivered you shall be called the God of Israel of the whole earth." Therefore, holding to the Church, which is spread and grows through all nations and throughout the whole world, we certainly do not follow a human fabrication, but a divine promise and deed. What do you follow, that you, separated from the communion of this divine promise and divine work, wish to be of the party of Donatus? Did a man or God tell you that because of Caecilian's sin the promises of God perished from the whole world and remained only in the party of Donatus? If God, read this to us from the Law, the Prophets, the Psalms, and the apostolic and evangelical writings. Read it, if you can, which you were utterly unable to do in our conference. But if men said these things, of whom it is said: "They have established for themselves a wicked saying," behold the human fabrication, behold what you worship, behold whom you serve, behold on account of which you rebel, rage, and burn.
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Gabinius uero et ceteri, qui hanc ecclesiam cognouerunt elegerunt tenuerunt, non humanum figmentum, sed diuinum promissum praedictum et impletum cum fidelibus habere cupientes, ulterius pro humano figmento ipsas humanas molestias perpeti noluerunt. qui enim pro ueritate et unitate Christi non dico res suas, sed istam etiam uitam suam aliis dumtaxat auferentibus atque interficientibus amiserit, uere fidem habet, uere spem habet, uere caritatem habet, uere deum habet; quisquis autem pro parte Donati uel fimbriam uestimenti perdiderit, cor non habet. quid ergo mirum, si homines sapientes, cum uiderunt contra obduratae consuetudinis pertinacissimam uetustatem proposita sibi esse damna et exilia, considerauerunt, utrum pro parte Donati contra ecclesiam catholicam, hoc est pro figmento humano contra opus diuinum, perpeti ista deberent, et se utique non debere uiderunt atque istam quam uocatis persecutionem cognouerunt sibi esse correctionis occasionem et fecerunt quod scriptum est: da sapienti occasionem et sapientior erit. uides itaque, quam inaniter dixeris homini, qui ex praecepto piissimi imperatoris sui uestram correctionem requirit, quod huius prudentiam exsecutoris officium non decebat. quid enim magis religiosum militantem decet quam ut in ea causa, in qua perpendit quibusnam uos uultis esse deceptio, multis ipse fiat corrigendis saluatio?
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Gabinius indeed, and the others who recognized, chose, and held to this Church, not a human fabrication but a divine promise foretold and fulfilled, desiring to have it with the faithful, were unwilling to endure further those human troubles for the sake of a human fabrication. For whoever loses his property, or even his life, at the hands of others who take it away and kill him, for the truth and unity of Christ, truly has faith, truly has hope, truly has charity, truly has God; but whoever loses even a fringe of his garment for the sake of the Donatist party has no heart. What wonder, then, if wise men, when they saw that losses and exiles were set before them against the most stubborn antiquity of hardened custom, considered whether they ought to endure these things for the Donatist party against the Catholic Church, that is, for a human fabrication against a divine work, and saw that they certainly ought not, and recognized that this which you call persecution was for them an opportunity for correction, and did what is written: give a wise man an opportunity and he will be wiser. You see, therefore, how vainly you said to a man who, by the command of his most pious emperor, seeks your correction, that this prudence did not befit the office of the executor. For what is more fitting for a soldier on duty than that, in that cause in which he weighs by what deception you wish to be led, he himself should become a salvation for many who are to be corrected?
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Uerba epistulae: Ad docendum, inquit, populum Israel omnipotens deus prophetis praeconium dedit, non regibus imperauit. saluator animarum dominus Christus ad insinuandam fidem piscatores, non milites misit. ad haec responsio: Audite ergo prophetas sanctos et sanctos piscatores, et molestos non patiemini religiosissimos reges. iam enim et superius ostendi ad curam pertinuisse regis, ut Niniuitae deum placarent, cuius iram propheta annuntiauerat. quamdiu ergo uos non tenetis ecclesiam quam (prophetae) praenuntiauerunt, piscatores apostoli plantauerunt, tamdiu reges, qui eam tenent, rectissime ad suam curam iudicant pertinere, ne uos aduersus eam rebelletis impune. nam deus et reges habuit inter prophetas; Dauid quippe sanctus, quod non potestis ignorare, rex fuit. audite itaque prophetantem regem, et nullum religiosum regem formidabitis irascentem. audite, inquam, prophetam regem dicentem de Christo: dominabitur a mari usque ad mare et a flumine usque ad terminos orbis terrae, et non timebitis christianum regem succensentem uobis hanc ecclesiam blasphemantibus, quae, sicut a rege prophetata est, exhibetur usque ad terminos orbis terrae, quia et rex Nabuchodonosor, quamuis propheta non fuerit, eos tamen, qui blasphemarent deum Sidrac Misac [et] Abdenago, religiosa seueritate coercuit.
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Words of the letter: "For teaching the people of Israel," he says, "almighty God gave proclamation to prophets, not command to kings. The Savior of souls, Lord Christ, sent fishermen, not soldiers, to instill the faith." To this the response: Hear then the holy prophets and the holy fishermen, and you will not find troublesome the most religious kings. For I have already shown above that it pertained to the king's care that the Ninevites appease God, whose wrath the prophet had announced. Therefore, as long as you do not hold the Church which the prophets foretold and the fishermen apostles planted, so long do the kings who hold it most rightly judge it to pertain to their care, that you may not rebel against it with impunity. For God also had kings among the prophets; David indeed was holy, which you cannot be ignorant of, and was a king. Hear then a king prophesying, and you will fear no religious king in anger. Hear, I say, the king-prophet saying of Christ: "He will rule from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth," and you will not fear a Christian king angered at you for blaspheming this Church, which, as prophesied by a king, is displayed to the ends of the earth. For even King Nebuchadnezzar, although he was not a prophet, nevertheless punished with religious severity those who blasphemed God, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
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Verba epistulae: Mundanae, inquit, militiae numquam deus expectauit auxilium, qui solus potest de uiuis et mortuis iudicare. ad haec reponsio: Non mundanae militiae deus expectat auxilium, quando regibus largitur potius beneficium, qui eis inspirat, ut in regno suo curent fieri domini sui praeceptum. quibus enim dictum est: et nunc, reges intellegite, erudimini qui iudicatis terram, seruite domino in timore, sentiunt suam potestatem ita domino seruire debere, ut ea potestate plectantur, qui nolunt eius uoluntati seruire. quod autem de militibus facis inuidiam, si utique ista cura, sicut iam docuimus, in scripturis sanctis pertinere demonstratur ad reges, per quos id acturi sunt aduersus rebelles circumcelliones et insanos eorum siue participes siue principes nisi per subditos milites? Uerba epistulae: Sed hoc non sciunt, inquit, alienarum rerum incubatores, qui nec deum. audiunt dicentem: non concupiscas rem proximi tui nec per Salomonem spiritum sanctum dicentem: tunc stabunt iusti in magna constantia aduersus eos, qui se angustia uerunt et qui abstulerunt labores eorum. uidentes turbabuntur timore horribili et mirabuntur in subitatione insperatae salutis, dicentes inter se paenitentiam habentes et per angustiam spiritus gementes: hi sunt quos aliquando habuimus in derisum et in similitudinem improperii.
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Words of the letter: "Almighty God," he says, "never expected the help of worldly soldiery, who alone can judge the living and the dead." To this the response: God does not expect the help of worldly soldiery when he rather bestows a benefit upon kings, inspiring them to see to it that in their kingdom the precept of their Lord is carried out. For to whom is it said: "And now, O kings, understand, be instructed, you who judge the earth, serve the Lord in fear," they perceive that their power ought to serve the Lord in such a way that with that power they punish those who refuse to serve his will. And as for the odium you create concerning soldiers, if indeed this care, as we have already shown, is demonstrated in the holy scriptures to pertain to kings, through whom are those who will act against the rebellious Circumcellions and their insane associates or leaders to be set in motion, if not through their subject soldiers? Words of the letter: "But this they do not know," he says, "the incubators of others' property, who do not even hear God saying: 'Do not covet your neighbor's property,' nor through Solomon the Holy Spirit saying: 'Then the just will stand in great constancy against those who have distressed them and who have taken away the fruits of their labors. Seeing, they will be troubled with horrible fear and will marvel at the suddenness of unexpected salvation, saying among themselves, repenting and groaning in the anguish of their spirit: These are the ones we once held in derision and as a likeness of reproach.'
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nos insensati uitam illorum existimabamus insaniam et finem illorum sine honore. quomodo computati sunt inter filios dei et inter sanctos sors illorum est? ergo errauimus a uia ueritatis et iustitiae lumen non illuxit nobis. lassati sumus in iniquitatis et perditionis uia et ambulauimus solitudines difficiles, uiam autem domini ignorauimus. quid nobis profuit superbia, aut quid diuitiarum iactantia contulit nobis? transierunt omnia tamquam umbra. haec igitur fides nos hortatur, ut libenter pro deo in ista persecutione moriamur. ad haec responsio: Agnoscite scelus uestrum et nolite uobis usurpare nomen alienum. scriptura dixit: tunc stabunt iusti in magna constantia aduersus eos, qui se angustiauerunt et qui abstulerunt labores eorum. non dixit: 'stabunt omnes qui mala passi sunt', sed: stabunt iusti, sicut et dominus cum dixisset: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur, nisi addidisset. propter iustitiam, non solos significaret, qui pro sua in domino patientia coronantur, sed etiam illos, qui iustis legibus puniuntur. quapropter si ad uos putatis haec iustorum uerba quae scripta sunt pertinere, prius an iusti sitis ostendite. habetis enim res magnas, quas inter uestras iustitias uentiletis, diuisionem Christi, rescissionem sacramentorum Christi, desertionem pacis Christi, bellum contra membra Christi, criminationes in coniugem Christi, negationem promissorum Christi.
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We considered them mad, but we were the senseless ones, judging their life to be insanity and their end without honor. How have they been counted among the sons of God, and how is their lot among the saints? Therefore we have strayed from the path of truth, and the light of justice has not shone upon us. We have grown weary on the road of iniquity and perdition, and we have walked through difficult wastelands, but we have been ignorant of the Lord's way. What has pride profited us, or what has the boasting of riches brought us? All things have passed away like a shadow. This faith, therefore, exhorts us to die willingly for God in this persecution. To this the response: Acknowledge your crime and do not usurp for yourselves a name that is not yours. Scripture said: "Then the just will stand in great constancy against those who have distressed them and who have taken away their labors." It did not say: "All who have suffered evils will stand," but: "The just will stand," just as the Lord, when he had said: "Blessed are those who suffer persecution," unless he had added "for the sake of justice," would not have signified only those who are crowned for their patience in the Lord, but also those who are punished by just laws. Therefore, if you think these words of the just, which are written, pertain to you, first show whether you are just. For you have great matters which you may bandy about as your justices: the division of Christ, the rending of the sacraments of Christ, the abandonment of the peace of Christ, war against the members of Christ, accusations against the spouse of Christ, the denial of the promises of Christ.
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hae sunt iustitiae uestrae, propter quas uidelicet stabitis in magna constantia aduersus eos, qui uos angustiauerunt et abstulerunt labores uestros. iam uero cum inter iustitias uestras iactare coeperitis quod uos ipsos necatis, quis uobis iustus aequabitur? tunc enim maxime apparebitis uindicandi, sed uidete de quibus: de his utique qui uos occiderunt. ergo ut uindicemini, puniemini et sic stabitis aduersus uos ipsos. maxime stabitis, qui caminis clausis uos in crudeles angustias coartatis, ut et qui uoluerit subuenire non possit intrare et qui uoluerit euadere non possit exire. absit, absit ut stent cum magna constantia, cum stabunt cum tam mala conscientia. nisi forte arbitramini propterea nobis deum tunc posse parcere pro sceleribus uestris, quia ipsi uobis modo non parcitis. unde etiam quaedam sanctimoniales uestrae grauidae per saxa se miserunt et dissilientibus uteris homicidiorum scelere etiam stuprorum scelera prodiderunt, existimantes, si hoc modo in se uindicassent, nullo iam modo uindicaturum deum. sicut et uos putatis, quae sacrilegio schismatis et haeresis uel depraedando detruncando excaecando occidendo, postremo etiam rebaptizando catholicos et quaelibet alia potuerunt a uobis nefanda committi, isto modo posse quo uos occiditis expiari. sed erratis; hoc putauit et ludas.
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These are your justices, for which, evidently, you will stand with great constancy against those who have distressed you and taken away your labors. But now, when you begin to boast among your justices that you kill yourselves, who will be deemed equal to you in justice? For then you will appear most clearly as avengers, but see against whom: against those, of course, who killed you. Therefore, to be avenged, you will be punished, and thus you will stand against yourselves. You stand most firmly, who, shut up in furnaces, compress yourselves into cruel straits, so that neither can anyone who wishes to help enter, nor can anyone who wishes to escape exit. Far be it, far be it that they stand with great constancy, when they will stand with such a bad conscience. Unless perhaps you think that God can then spare us on account of your crimes, because you yourselves do not spare yourselves now. Whence also some of your nuns, pregnant, threw themselves over rocks, and with their wombs bursting, they revealed the crimes of fornications along with the crime of homicide, thinking that if they had avenged themselves in this way, God would in no way avenge. Just as you think, who, by the sacrilege of schism and heresy, whether by plundering, mutilating, blinding, killing, finally also by rebaptizing Catholics, and whatever other nefarious deeds could be committed by you, can be expiated in this way by which you kill yourselves. But you are mistaken; Judas also thought this.
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an hoc etiam uultis addere documentum, quo certius nouerimus maiores uestros potius fuisse traditores, quia mortem imitamini traditoris? Ergo, quod in collatione contentiose negare noluistis, etiam hinc uera esse gesta firmatis, in quibus confessis traditoribus qui tunc primae sedis episcopus in Numidia fuit Secundus Tigisitanus ignouit et, quibus crimina traditionis manifesta atque confessa apud Cirtam praesentibus relaxauit, cum his apud Karthaginem tamquam traditores non conuictos absentesque puniuit. a quo crimine etiam Secundus ipse obiciente Purpurio Liniatensi se purgare non potuit, quando ei dixit idem Purpurius: tu quid egisti, qui tentus es a curatore et ordine, ut scripturas dares? quomodo te liberasti ab ipsis, nisi quia dedisti aut iussisti -dari quodcumque? nam non te dimittebant passim. hoc autem Secundus etiam in litteris suis ad Mensurium datis, quas uos ipsi protulistis atque recitastis, sine ambiguitate confessus est quod non tradidit, sed quod ad eum peruenerint a curatore et ordine missi persecutores quos ei Purpurius Liniatensis obiecit, ut scripturas traderet. quas cum ab illo peterent, se respondisse: 'christianus sum et episcopus, non traditor,' eisque nihil omnino tradere uoluisse.
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Do you also wish to add this as evidence, by which we may know more certainly that your predecessors were rather the traitors, because you imitate the death of a traitor? Therefore, what in the conference you obstinately refused to admit, you now confirm from this very fact that the official records are true, in which, when confessed traitors were pardoned by Secundus of Tigisis, who was then the primate of Numidia, and he absolved those whose crimes of betrayal were manifest and confessed in their presence at Cirta, he punished them at Carthage as if they were traitors not convicted and absent. From which crime Secundus himself, when accused by Purpurius of Limata, could not clear himself, when the same Purpurius said to him: "What did you do, you who were detained by the curator and the town council so that you would hand over the scriptures? How did you free yourself from them, except that you gave or ordered to be given whatever it was? For they did not let you go casually." Moreover, Secundus, even in his letter to Mensurius, which you yourselves produced and read, confessed without ambiguity that he did not hand over the scriptures, but that persecutors sent by the curator and the town council came to him, whom Purpurius of Limata accused him of, so that he would hand over the scriptures. And when they asked him for them, he replied: "I am a Christian and a bishop, not a traitor," and he wished to hand over nothing at all to them.
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quod ei uultis ut credamus, cum et uos ipsi quam sit incredibile uideatis feruente illa persecutione detentum episcopum siue conuentum, ut scripturas dominicas traderet, nullis traditis fuisse dimissum. nempe contendebatis non potuisse episcopos ad ordinandum episcopum ad ciuitatem Cirtensem persecutionis tempore conuenire. quomodo ergo persecutio illa feruebat, si potuit episcopus propter scripturas tradendas teneri nullisque traditis inpune dimitti? et tamen clamabatis, inmanitatem persecutionis illius temporis describentes, nec duodecim episcopos ad ordinandum episcopum potuisse in concilium congregari qui gesta illa conficerent, ubi crimina traditionis inuicem donauerunt et pro pace ecclesiae iudicanda domino reliquerunt, cum uos hoc tempore talem persecutionem uos perpeti dicentes, qualis numquam fuit, id est ut loca uobis desint, quo confugere atque ubi latere possitis, tamen concilia faciatis, episcopos ordinetis, etiam in eorum locum, qui suis ignibus perierunt, iterum tales, qui suis ignibus perire parati sunt. in concilium autem tantae, ut putatis atque iactatis, persecutionis tempore amplius etiam quam XXX conuenire potuistis, ubi et Petilianus fuit, qui persecutionis tempore nec duodecim conuenire potuisse clamabat.
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Do you wish us to believe this, when even you yourselves see how incredible it is that, during that fierce persecution, a bishop was seized or convened to hand over the dominical scriptures, and was released without having handed over any? Surely you argued that bishops could not assemble in the city of Cirta during the time of persecution to ordain a bishop. How then did that persecution rage, if a bishop could be detained for the purpose of handing over the scriptures and be let off unpunished without handing over any? And yet you cried out, describing the savagery of that persecution, that not even twelve bishops could gather in a council to ordain a bishop and produce those records, where they mutually forgave each other’s crimes of traditio and left judgment to the Lord for the sake of the peace of the Church, while you at this time, claiming to suffer a persecution such as never was—that is, that you lack places to flee to and hide in—nevertheless hold councils, ordain bishops, and even in the place of those who perished by their own fires, you ordain again such men as are prepared to perish by their own fires. Yet in a council, during a time of such persecution as you think and boast of, you were able to assemble more than thirty, including Petilianus, who cried out that not even twelve could assemble during a time of persecution.
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Porro in ipso concilio statuistis, ut, qui nobis inuiti communicauerunt uel episcoporum uel presbyterorum, tantum si sacrificium non obtulerint aut in populo non tractauerint, ad ueniam pertineant et in suis recipiantur honoribus, ac sic totas calumniarum uestrarum uires etiam ipsi hoc decreto uestro penitus amputastis. ubi est enim, quod uestro uaniloquio etiam eos, qui non fuerunt, dicitis per communionem nostram fieri traditores, quia scilicet, sicut calumniamini, illi nos inquinauerunt, qui urgentibus tunc impiis potestatibus libros ecclesiasticos tradiderunt? cur ergo nunc a crimine absoluitis, quos nobis communicasse cognoueritis inuitos, si sacrificium non obtulerint neque sermonem in populo fecerint? quasi illi tunc primi traditores sub terrore et horrore immanium suppliciorum, qualia modo uobis omnino nullus ingessit, codices sanctos non inuiti tradiderint aut sacrificium illic obtulerint aut in populo sermonem fecerint. uidetis ergo quod, sicut uos istis, quos uanissime criminamini communione nostra fieri traditores, si quid inuiti fecerint, potuistis ignoscere, ita etiam maiores uestri in necessitate multo artiore tradentibus ueris traditoribus eadem regula ignoscere potuerunt.
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Furthermore, in that same council you decreed that those among either the bishops or the presbyters who communicated with us unwillingly, provided they did not offer the sacrifice or preach to the people, should be granted pardon and be received back into their ranks, and thus you yourselves have completely cut away all the force of your calumnies by this very decree of yours. For where is that claim of yours, in your empty talk, that even those who were not traditors become traditors through communion with us, because, as you slanderously assert, those who, under the pressure of the impious authorities at that time, handed over the ecclesiastical books have polluted us? Why then do you now absolve from the crime those whom you have learned communicated with us unwillingly, if they did not offer the sacrifice nor preach to the people? As if those first traditors at that time, under the terror and dread of monstrous tortures—such as none at all have inflicted upon you now—did not hand over the sacred books unwillingly, or did offer sacrifice there, or did preach to the people. You see, therefore, that just as you have been able to pardon those whom you most vainly accuse of becoming traditors through our communion, if they did anything unwillingly, so also your predecessors, in a far more pressing necessity, could have pardoned the true traditors who handed over the books by the same rule.
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sed ut damnarent alios absentes et inauditos, inimicorum Caeciliani factione compulsi sunt, facientes quod de talibus apostolus dicit: in quo enim alium iudicas, temet ipsum condemnas; eadem enim agis qui iudicas. Quapropter quoniam Donatistae se ipsos occidere semper amauerunt et ipsi ab initio traditores fuerunt, quid mirum, si traditoris mortem etiam suos posteros amare docuerunt? sed uitandae huius similitudinis causa uel numquam uel difficillime se laqueo necauerunt, frustra omnino. nam ille ludam traditorem id facere compulit, qui et illum puerum, quem sanauit dominus, in aquam et ignem saepe deiecit et gregem porcorum in mare praecipitauit et ipsi domino praecipitium de pinna templi audaci praesumptione suggessit. quamuis itaque diuersis modis uoluntariam uos praecipitetis in mortem, tamen eiusdem diaboli instinctu uos ipsos necando imitamini traditorem. quod etsi uos non estis, eorum tamen qui fuerunt et schisma fecerunt, in quo libenter estis, etiam hoc in uobis facere, quod in se traditor fecit, nefando magisterio didicistis. ecce iam qua iustitia stabitis aduersus eos, qui uos angustiauerunt, ut, si uestrae mortes uindicabuntur, non nisi in uobis ipsis iustissime uindicentur.
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but to condemn others who were absent and unheard, they were compelled by the faction of Caecilian’s enemies, doing what the apostle says about such things: for in judging another, you condemn yourself; for you do the same things that you judge. Therefore, since the Donatists have always loved to kill themselves and were themselves traitors from the beginning, what wonder is it if they taught their own descendants to love the death of a traitor? But for the sake of avoiding this resemblance, they have either never or very rarely killed themselves by the noose—entirely in vain. For that same one who compelled the traitor Judas to do it also often cast that boy, whom the Lord healed, into water and fire, and drove a herd of swine into the sea, and suggested to the Lord himself a leap from the pinnacle of the temple by audacious presumption. Therefore, although you hurl yourselves into voluntary death in various ways, yet by the instigation of the same devil you imitate the traitor in killing yourselves. And even if you are not those men, yet of those who were and made the schism, in which you willingly abide, you have learned from a nefarious teaching to do even this in yourselves, which the traitor did in himself. Behold now, with what justice do you stand against those who have distressed you, so that if your deaths are avenged, they are avenged most justly only in yourselves.
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Qui sunt autem labores uestri, quos a uobis iactatis auferri? an iniustum est, ut ecclesiae quae fuerunt uestrae, cum in pacem catholicam transeunt, cum suis rebus transeant? illis enim ad nos transeuntibus si res earum uultis tenere, uos procul dubio res alienas uultis auferre. mater autem catholica uobis dicit, quod quibusdam beatus apostolus dixit: non enim quaero quae uestra sunt, sed uos. uerumtamen quomodo uobis non estis ipsi contrarii, quando utrumque nobis obicitis, et quod res uestras possidere cupiamus et quod uiolenter uos nobiscum esse cogamus? haec duo quam sint inter se contraria non uidetis. si enim ad communionem nostram uos inuitos quaerimus et tenemus, quomodo res uestras desideramus, quas utique uobis communicantibus habere non possumus? si autem illas cupimus optinere, quomodo uos quaerimus, ut eas uobis communicantibus amittamus? sed confitemur uobis: cupiditas nostra caritas uocatur. haec uos quaerit in nobis, haec uos inuenire, corrigere atque in unitate Christi consociare desiderat; ut uestris caminis uos ardere timeamus, huius igne feruemus; haec nos accendit, ut non solum non concupiscamus res uestras, sed nobiscum optemus possideatis et nostras. agnoscite et uenite et perire nolite. aut si ultro uenire erubescitis, seruimus infirmitati, ne quid pereat caritati. ecce uolumus uos tenere: quid festinatis ardere?
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What then are these labors of yours, which you boast are taken from you? Is it unjust that the churches which were yours, when they pass over into Catholic peace, pass over with their possessions? For if, when they pass over to us, you wish to keep their possessions, you undoubtedly wish to take away the possessions of others. But the Catholic mother says to you what the blessed apostle said to some: I do not seek what is yours, but you. Yet how are you not contrary to yourselves, when you cast both charges at us—that we desire to possess your possessions and that we violently force you to be with us? Do you not see how contrary these two things are to each other? For if we seek and hold you, invited, to our communion, how can we desire your possessions, which we certainly cannot have while you are in communion with us? But if we desire to obtain them, how do we seek you, so that we might lose them while you are in communion with us? But we confess to you: our cupidity is called charity. This seeks you in us, this desires to find you, to correct you, and to unite you in the unity of Christ; so that we fear you burning in your own fires, and we burn with this fire; this inflames us, so that not only do we not covet your possessions, but we desire that you possess ours as well. Acknowledge this and come, and do not perish. Or if you blush to come willingly, we serve weakness, lest anything perish to charity. Behold, we wish to hold you: why do you hasten to burn?
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ad uitam tenemus, ad salutem tenemus, ad Christi unitatem ueritatem suauitatem tenemus et ad cenam tanti patris familias, si sponte non uultis intrare, compellimus. De iustitia certamen est, non de pecunia. cauete itaque, ne forte, dum putatis ad uos pertinere quod scriptum est: tunc stabunt iusti in magna constantia aduersus eos, qui se angustiauerunt et abstulerunt labores eorum, non hoc uobis contingat de laboribus uestris, sed potius quod alio loco scriptum est: labores impiorum iusti edent. neque enim stabunt contra uos Maximianistae, quorum quando potuistis basilicas abstulistis, aut stabunt contra uos pagani, quorum certe ubi potuistis templa euertistis et basilicas destruxistis, quod et nos fecimus, aut stabunt aduersum uos symphoniaci daemoniorum, quorum tibias et scabella fregistis, quod et nos fecimus. sic nec uos stabitis aduersum nos. in talibus quippe omnibus factis non rapina concupiscitur, sed error euertitur.
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We hold to life, we hold to salvation, we hold to the unity, truth, and sweetness of Christ, and to the banquet of so great a father of the household, and if you are unwilling to enter of your own accord, we compel you. The contest is about justice, not about money. Beware, therefore, lest, while you think that what is written pertains to you: "Then the just will stand in great constancy against those who have distressed them and taken away their labors," this should not happen to you concerning your labors, but rather what is written in another place: "The just will eat the labors of the impious." For the Maximianists will not stand against you, whose basilicas you took away when you could; nor will the pagans stand against you, whose temples you certainly overturned and whose basilicas you destroyed where you could, which we also did; nor will the musicians of the demons stand against you, whose flutes and castanets you broke, which we also did. Thus neither will you stand against us. For in all such deeds, it is not plunder that is desired, but error that is overthrown.
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sicut ergo non stabunt Chananaei aduersum Israelitas, quamuis Israelitae abstulerunt labores eorum, sed stabit Nabuthaeus aduersus Achab, quia delictum factum est, non praeceptum, ut labores iusti auferret iniustus, sic haeretici non stabunt aduersus catholicos, cum in rebus haereticorum christiani imperii iussa conplentur nec res eorum a catholicis auferuntur, sed potius inquiruntur eisque multa, quantum fieri potest, correctis reddenda seruantur, sed stabunt catholici non solum aduersus gentiles, a quibus ueri martyres exspoliati sunt, uerum etiam aduersus circumcelliones Donatistarum, quia et ipsi abstulerunt labores eorum. uerum de his pecuniaribus laboribus facilior causa est, cum etiam illi, quorum erant, ad pacem catholicam transeunt. ecce cotidie, si quis ad nos transitum fecerit, reddimus pecuniam uestem fructus uasa rura tecta uestrorum: uos quomodo nobis reddituri estis membra nostrorum?
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Just as the Canaanites will not stand against the Israelites, even though the Israelites took away their labors, but Naboth will stand against Ahab, because a crime was committed, not a command, so that an unjust man might take away the labors of a just man, so heretics will not stand against Catholics, when the commands of the Christian empire are fulfilled in the property of heretics, and their property is not taken away by Catholics, but rather is sought out and kept to be returned to them, corrected as much as possible, but Catholics will stand not only against pagans, from whom true martyrs were despoiled, but also against the Circumcellions of the Donatists, because they too took away their labors. But concerning these pecuniary labors, the case is easier, since even those to whom they belonged pass over to the Catholic peace. Behold, daily, if someone has made the transition to us, we return money, clothing, produce, vessels, fields, roofs of yours: how are you to return to us the members of our people?
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Nempe aliquando expergiscimini et cernitis nec uos esse de quibus dicatur nec nos a quibus dicatur: hi sunt quos aliquando habuimus in risum, cum potius uos habeamus in fletum; nec uos computabimini inter filios dei, nisi recedentes a parte Donati hanc tenueritis ecclesiam, quam sicut praedixit exhibet filius dei; nec inter sanctos est sors uestra, sed inter haereticos. nam quod alios de uobis dicturos putatis: nos insensati uitam illorum aestimabamus insaniam, miror quod tam insensati estis, ut ipsi uobis modo talia non dicatis. sanctis quidem ueris ac fidelibus inmundi et infideles tunc ista dicturi sunt, eis utique, quos nunc existimant insanire, quia luxuriis quas uident frui nolunt, dum quod non uident credunt. sed uos si non uitam uestram, certe istam quam uobis uultis facere mortem uestram si non existimatis insaniam, desperatius insanitis. uerba uero illa: ergo errauimus a uia ueritatis et cetera non erunt quidem tantum uestra, sed maxime et uestra. erratis enim, quod manifestum est, a uia ueritatis et iustitiae lumen non lucet uobis, lassamini a uia iniquitatis et perditionis et ambulatis solitudines difficiles, uiam uero domini ignoratis. quae autem sequuntur: quid nobis profuit superbia aut quid diuitiarum iactantia contulit nobis?
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Surely you will at last wake up and see that you are not those of whom it is said, nor we those by whom it is said: "These are the ones we once laughed at, while we rather weep for you." Nor will you be counted among the children of God unless, withdrawing from the Donatist party, you hold to this Church, which, as foretold, the Son of God displays. Nor is your lot among the saints, but among heretics. For as for what you think others will say about you: "We, the senseless, considered their life madness," I am amazed that you are so senseless that you do not now say such things to yourselves. Indeed, true and faithful saints will say such things to the impure and unfaithful then—to those, namely, whom they now consider to be mad because they refuse to enjoy the luxuries they see, while believing in what they do not see. But you, if you do not consider your life—or certainly this death you are making for yourselves—madness, you are more hopelessly mad. Those words, however: "Therefore we have strayed from the path of truth," and so on, will not be yours alone, but especially yours. For you are straying, which is evident, from the path of truth, and the light of justice does not shine for you; you are wearied by the path of iniquity and perdition, and you walk through difficult wastelands, but you are ignorant of the Lord's way. And what follows: "What did pride profit us, or what did the boasting of riches bring us?
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transierunt omnia illa tamquam umbra nescio utrum quisquam inter ceteros dicere poterit aptius et conuenientius quam tuus decessor Optatus. nolite ergo uos putare quales non estis et perire quales estis, quoniam non uos haec fides, sed uester malus error hortatur, non ut libenter pro deo, sicut dicis, in ista persecutione moriamini, sed ut nequiter pro Donato factis persecutionem patiamini. Uerba epistulae: (et alia manu:) Opto te, inquit, incolumem ueritate perspecta animum lenire et ab innocentium exitibus temperare. ad haec responsio: Uos potius ueritate perspecta lenite animum uestrum, ne sic saeuiat, ut nec uobis parcat. nam quid isto cui haec scripsisti facile potest lenius inueniri, qui uos et inuitauit ad uitam et, si eam nobiscum agere nolletis, relaxauit ad fugam? uos in uos estis asperi, uos inmites, uos sine ulla humanitatis consideratione crudeles, qui hoc in uobis facitis, quod in suis inimicis facere consuerunt errorum dilectores et hominum persecutores, ut sit quod amarissime doleant errorum persecutores et hominum dilectores. quid autem optas, ut ab innocentium exitibus temperetur? uos quidem innocentes non estis; tamen ille uobis dedit exitum, sed ipsi uobis dare uultis exitium. puto enim quod uerbi ignorantia te fefellit, ut uolens intellegi exitia exitus diceres.
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All those things have passed away like a shadow, and I do not know whether anyone among the rest could say this more aptly and fittingly than your predecessor Optatus. Therefore, do not think yourselves to be what you are not, and do not perish as what you are, since it is not this faith, but your evil error that urges you, not to die willingly for God, as you say, in this persecution, but to suffer persecution wickedly for the sake of Donatus. The words of the letter: (and in another hand:) "I wish," he says, "that you, with the truth perceived, would calm your mind and refrain from the deaths of the innocent." To this, the response: Rather, with the truth perceived, calm your own mind, lest it rage so fiercely that it does not even spare you. For what can be found more gently than this, to whom you wrote these things, who both invited you to life and, if you were unwilling to live it with us, released you to flight? You are harsh toward yourselves, you are ungentle, you are cruel without any consideration of humanity, doing to yourselves what lovers of error and persecutors of men are accustomed to do to their enemies, so that there is something for the persecutors of error and the lovers of men to lament most bitterly. But what do you wish, that he refrain from the deaths of the innocent? You are certainly not innocent; nevertheless, he gave you a way out, but you yourselves wish to give yourselves destruction. For I think that ignorance of the word deceived you, so that, intending to mean "destructions," you said "deaths.
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cum igitur hortaris optando, ut se ab innocentium exitiis imperialium legum temperaret exsecutor, id agis, ut deceptoribus parcat et innocentes decipi inpune permittat: quid ergo aliud, nisi ut ille, cui te bene arbitraris optare, nec deo nec imperatori suo seruet fidem, quia scilicet per iustitiam non ueram sed uestram ad imperatorum curam pertinere causae huiusmodi non deberent, ut calumniosa diuisio sanaretur, deberent autem, ut quando facta est firmaretur. si doctrina ista, quam non de scripturis sanctis, sed nescio unde didicistis, iusta uobis uidetur, ut haec ad imperialem non pertineant potestatem, tunc maioribus uestris uenisset in mentem, quando Caeciliani causam ad imperatoris iudicium Constantini accusando miserunt. nunc uero quia leones Danielem propter innocentiam non laeserunt, uultis ut illis parcant, qui eum calumniando leonibus obiecerunt. sed non ut homo iudicat deus, in cuius manu cor regis est et quo uoluerit inclinat illud. cor autem regis cum est infidele, aut exercentur aut probantur boni, cum uero est fidele. aut corriguntur aut plectuntur mali. horum duorum quid in uestra causa sit iam satis diximus satisque litteris tuis nullius loci praetermissione respondimus, quod — utinam et tibi! — tamen aliquibus ex uobis esse profuturum domino miserante confidimus.
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Since you urge, by your wishing, that the executor of the imperial laws should refrain from the destruction of the innocent, you are acting so that he spares deceivers and permits the innocent to be deceived with impunity. What else, therefore, are you doing, except that the one to whom you think you are wishing well should keep faith neither with God nor with his own emperor, because, according to your false justice rather than the true one, such cases ought not to pertain to the care of the emperors, so that a fraudulent division might be healed, but ought to pertain, so that, when it was made, it might be confirmed? If this teaching, which you have learned not from the holy Scriptures but from somewhere else, seems just to you—that these matters do not belong to imperial authority—then it would have occurred to your predecessors when they sent the case of Caecilian to the judgment of the emperor Constantine by accusing him. But now, because the lions did not harm Daniel on account of his innocence, you want them to spare those who cast him to the lions by their false accusations. But God does not judge as a man does; in His hand is the heart of the king, and He inclines it wherever He wills. Now, when the heart of the king is unfaithful, the good are either exercised or tested; when it is faithful, the wicked are either corrected or punished. Which of these two applies to your case we have already said enough, and we have responded sufficiently to your letter, omitting no point—which, although I wish it were also for you, yet I trust, with the Lord’s mercy, will be of benefit to some among you.
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Ad haec autem si respondere aliquid praeparas, lege etiam illa, quae cum Emerito acta sunt, quibus ipse respondere non potuit, ne forte tu possis, sicut iam superius ut experireris ammonui. de causa etiam Maximianistarum cum illo egimus, de qua a nobis in collatione totiens uobis obiecta nihil respondistis, quoniam de re manifestissima et recentissima nihil quod responderetis inuenire potuistis, quomodo Maximianus, quem multo grauiore quam Caecilianum sententia percussistis, ita ut diceretis eum Dathae, Chorae et Abiron ministrum, quos pro scelere schismatis uiuos terra deglutiuit, non polluerit consortes schismatis sui, quibus ut ad uestram communionem redirent dilationem dedistis, non polluerit Afer Afros, uiuus uiuos, notus notos, particeps socios, et Caecilianus polluerit transmarinos, polluerit longe positos, polluerit ignotos, polluerit nondum natos. inueni, si potes, quid dicas, quomodo susceperitis honorem Feliciani Mustitani et Praetextati Assuritani, quos cum Maximiano et aliis decem sine ulla dilatione damnastis, contra quos, ut eos de basilicis pelleretis, apud duos uel nisi fallor apud tres proconsules litigastis et, cum iam in locum Praetextati alium ordinassetis, post tam longum tempus eos in suis honoribus recepistis. qua iustitia, qua ratione, qua fronte in honore suo suscipitur Maximianista damnatus et damnatur orbis terrarum catholicus inauditus?
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If you are preparing to answer something to these points, read also those proceedings which were held with Emeritus, to which he himself could not reply, lest perhaps you might be able to, as I have already advised you above to try. We also dealt with him concerning the case of the Maximianists, about which in the conference you were so often charged by us and answered nothing, because on a matter so manifest and so recent you could find nothing to reply: how Maximianus, whom you struck with a far heavier sentence than Caecilianus, so that you called him a minister of Dathan, Abiram, and Korah, whom the earth swallowed alive for the crime of schism, did not pollute the partners of his schism, to whom you gave a delay to return to your communion, did not pollute an African from Africans, living from living, known from known, a participant from associates, and Caecilianus polluted those across the sea, polluted those far away, polluted the unknown, polluted those not yet born. Find, if you can, what you may say: how you received back the honor of Felicianus of Musti and Praetextatus of Assura, whom you condemned with Maximianus and ten others without any delay, against whom you litigated before two or, unless I am mistaken, three proconsuls to drive them from the basilicas, and, when you had already ordained another in the place of Praetextatus, after so long a time you received them back in their honors. By what justice, by what reason, by what face is a condemned Maximianist received in his honor, and the catholic world condemned unheard?
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qua iustitia, qua ratione, qua fronte canendum esse dicitis, ne uos inquinet Caecilianus olim defunctus uobisque prorsus incognitus, uestris maioribus iudicantibus semel damnatus, uestris maioribus accusantibus ter absolutus, et cauendum non putastis, ne uos inquinaret Felicianus uniuersalis concilii uestri ore damnatus et ab uniuersis uobis praecipue tui praedecessoris fauore susceptus? qua iustitia, qua ratione, qua fronte rescinditis baptismum, quem dant ecclesiae quas laboribus suis apostoli plantauerunt, cum susceperitis baptismum, quem Felicianus et Praetextatus per tam longum tempus, quando contra eos damnatos litigabatis, foris a uestra ecclesia tradiderunt? si enim, ut soletis male intellegere et nobis obicere, sic intellegendum est quod scriptum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid proficit in lauacro suo?, inter illos isti iacebant quando baptizabant, de quibus uestra Bagaitana sententia tanto strepitu insonuit: Aegyptiorum admodum exemplo pereuntium funeribus plena sunt litora, quibus in ipsa morte maior est poena, quod post extortam aquis ultricibus animam nec ipsam inueniunt sepulturam. quid ad haec dicturi estis? ecce mortui baptizant eos quos suscipitis nec morimini, et nobis tamquam mortuis calumniamini, ut catholicae unitati communicare nolentes uestris ignibus uere moriamini. responde ad ista, uacat tibi cogitare quid dicas.
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By what justice, by what reason, by what face do you say that one must beware lest Caecilianus, long dead and utterly unknown to you, once condemned by your ancestors judging, three times acquitted by your ancestors accusing, should defile you, and yet you did not think it necessary to beware lest Felicianus, condemned by the mouth of your universal council and received by the favor especially of your predecessor from all of you, should defile you? By what justice, by what reason, by what face do you rescind the baptism which the churches planted by the labors of the apostles give, when you have accepted the baptism which Felicianus and Praetextatus, for so long a time, when you were litigating against them as condemned men, administered outside your church? For if, as you are accustomed to misunderstand and to object to us, what is written is to be understood thus: "He who is baptized by a dead man, what does he profit from his washing?"—among those men, those men lay dead when they were baptizing, concerning whom your Bagaitan sentence resounded with such a clamor: "Like the example of the Egyptians perishing, the shores are full of corpses, for whom in death itself there is a greater punishment, because after the avenging waters have wrung out their soul, they do not even find burial." What will you say to these things? Behold, dead men baptize those whom you receive, and you do not die, and you slander us as if we were dead, so that you truly die by your own fires, unwilling to communicate with the Catholic unity. Answer these things; you have leisure to think of what to say.
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saltem in hoc aliquod tibi beneficium conferamus, ut, dum cogitas quod respondeas, minus cogites quomodo ardeas. sed nolumus, ut inopia respondendi lassum illud et quassum, quod dicere consuestis, adhuc tibi existimes esse dicendum: 'si tales sumus, quare nos quaeritis?' respondemus enim: magis uos ecclesia catholica debet quaerere, quia peristis, si uos Maximianistas perditi perditos inquisistis. de corde uestro enim nobis dicitis: 'quare quaeritis tot tantorumque reos criminum?' sed de libro dei uobis respondemus: quia caritas cooperit multitudinem peccatorum. LIBER SECUNDUS. Accepi, Gaudenti, responsionem tuam, si tamen responsio ista dicenda est, quam mihi propterea referre uoluisti, ne, si tacuisses, diceremus te esse conuictum. sed non hoc est respondere quod est non tacere. nam si hoc est, respondisti plane, sed ideo, ut etiam hi, qui de te aliquid possent sperare, nouerint te non inuenisse, quid respondere deberes, et tamen respondisse, ne taceres. itaque cum caueres, ne uictus dicereris, fecisti ut ostendereris. ad quod ostendendum tua ipsa scripta sufficiunt, si ab intellegentibus legantur et meis diligenti examine comparentur. ut autem scriptis aliis hoc doceam, quo etiam ingeniis tardioribus satisfiat, aliquanto prolixior disputatio necessaria est, quam quidem aggrediar, si opus fuerit dominusque uoluerit.
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At least in this matter we confer some benefit upon you, so that while you think about what to answer, you think less about how you burn. But we do not want you, weary and shaken by lack of an answer, to think that you must still say what you are accustomed to say: "If we are such, why do you seek us?" For we answer: the Catholic Church ought to seek you all the more, because you have perished, if you, lost, sought out the lost Maximianists. For from your heart you say to us: "Why do you seek so many and such great criminals?" But from the book of God we answer you: because charity covers a multitude of sins. BOOK TWO. I have received, Gaudentius, your response, if indeed that is to be called a response, which you wished to send back to me lest, if you had kept silent, we would say you were convicted. But this is not to respond, that is, not to be silent. For if it were, you have responded plainly, but in such a way that even those who could hope something from you might know that you have not found what you ought to answer, and yet have answered, lest you be silent. Thus, while you took care not to be called defeated, you made yourself shown to be so. To demonstrate this, your own writings suffice, if read by those who understand and compared with mine by diligent examination. But to teach this by other writings, so that even slower minds may be satisfied, a somewhat longer disputation is necessary, which indeed I will undertake, if it is needed and the Lord wills.
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Nunc interim, quoniam uos potius esse catholicos testimonio beati Cypriani affirmare conatus es, attende paululum, quam ecclesiam dixerit ille catholicam, cum eius defenderet unitatem. ecclesia, inquit, domini luce perfusa per orbem totum radios suos porrigit: unum tamen lumen est quod ubique diffunditur, nec unitas corporis separatur. ramos suos in uniuersam terram copia ubertatis extendit, profluentes largiter riuos latius expandit: unum tamen caput est et origo una et una mater fecunditatis successibus copiosa. quid igitur et uos ipsos fallitis et alios fallere mendaciis inpudentibus uultis? si huius martyris testimonio uestra est ecclesia catholica, ostendite illam per orbem totum radios suos porrigere, ostendite illam per uniuersam terram ramos suos copia ubertatis extendere. hinc enim et Graeco uocabulo catholica nominatur; quod enim Graece dicitur, Latine 'totum' uel 'uniuersum' interpretatur. 'per totum) ergo siue 'secundum totum' est , unde catholica nuncupatur. si hoc nosti, quare te nosse dissimulas? si autem ignoras, quare non prius quam loqueris, quod nescis, eos qui norunt interrogas? quod si displicet tibi, non Graecam, sed aliquam linguam inueni, qua doceas xao ? oXov non per totum' siue (secundum totum) uel 'secundum uniuersum) significari, et recede a testimonio Cypriani. ille namque contra te loquitur, qui uides quid dicat.
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Now for the moment, since you have tried to affirm that you yourselves are rather the Catholics by the testimony of the blessed Cyprian, attend a little to what Church he called Catholic when he defended her unity. "The Church," he says, "bathed in the light of the Lord, extends her rays throughout the whole world; yet it is one light which is diffused everywhere, and the unity of the body is not separated. She extends her branches over the whole earth with an abundance of fertility, and spreads her flowing streams more widely; yet there is one head and one origin and one mother, prolific with the successes of her fecundity." Why, therefore, do you both deceive yourselves and wish to deceive others with shameless lies? If by the testimony of this martyr your Church is the Catholic Church, show her extending her rays throughout the whole world, show her extending her branches over the whole earth with an abundance of fertility. For it is from this that she is called Catholic by the Greek word; for what is said in Greek is interpreted in Latin as "whole" or "universal." It is therefore "throughout the whole" or "according to the whole," whence she is named Catholic. If you know this, why do you pretend not to know it? But if you are ignorant, why do you not, before you speak, ask those who know what you do not know? But if this displeases you, find some language, not Greek, by which you can teach that καθ' ὅλον does not mean "throughout the whole" or "according to the whole" or "according to the universal," and withdraw from the testimony of Cyprian. For he speaks against you, who see what he says.
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per orbem totum dicit et per uniuersam terram porrigi extendique catholicam, Graeco eius nomini ac definitioni consentiens. tu aliud tenere sentire dicere reperiris et, dura Cypriano teste inniteris, Cypriano teste mentiris. Ab hac ergo uera germanaque catholica, quae domini luce perfusa per orbem totum radios suos porrigit, ramos suos per uniuersam terram copia ubertatis extendit, quae causa uobis fuerit exeundi cum interrogamini, nihil iustum inuenitis, prorsus ab hac ecclesia exitum uestrum nulla purgatione probabilis excusationis abluitis. quid enim dicitis nisi: 'necessitas compulit, ut iusti relinqueremus iniustos'? respondet uobis scriptura diuina: filius malus ipse se iustum dicit, exitum uero suum non abluit. 'exitum', inquit, (sum') — utique illum, de quo dicit apostolus Iohannes: ex no b i sex i e run t — omnino non abluit, non defendit, non excusat, non purgat. ad iustos enim non pertinet in ecclesia catholica nisi malos, quos corrigere uel damnare non possunt, patientissime tolerare, nec propter zizania de dominico agro nec propter paleam de dominica area nec propter uasa inhonorata de dominica domo nec propter pisces malos de dominicis retibus ante tempus exire, ne frustra exitum suum conentur abluere.
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He says that the Catholic Church is spread and extended throughout the whole world and over the entire earth, agreeing with its Greek name and definition. You are found to hold, think, say, and maintain something else, and, although you lean on Cyprian as a witness, you lie with Cyprian as a witness. Therefore, from this true and genuine Catholic Church, which, bathed in the Lord’s light, extends its rays throughout the whole world and spreads its branches over the entire earth with an abundance of fertility, when you are asked what cause you had for leaving, you find nothing just; you utterly fail to wash away your departure from this Church with any purging of a probable excuse. For what do you say but: ‘Necessity compelled us, the just, to leave the unjust’? Divine Scripture answers you: a bad son calls himself just, but does not wash away his departure. ‘Departure,’ he says, ‘I have’—that departure, of which the apostle John speaks: ‘They went out from us’—he does not at all wash it away, defend it, excuse it, or purge it. For it does not pertain to the just in the Catholic Church, except to tolerate most patiently the evil whom they cannot correct or condemn, and not to go out from the Lord’s field because of the tares, nor from the Lord’s threshing-floor because of the chaff, nor from the Lord’s house because of dishonored vessels, nor from the Lord’s nets because of bad fish, before the time, lest they vainly attempt to wash away their departure.
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has euangelicas sententias si uolueris in alium sensum qualibet argumentatione conuertere, eidem beato Cypriano, cuius testimonia adhibes, contradicis, sicut in nostra conlatione fecistis. nam haec de ista quaestione supradicti martyris uerba sunt in epistula, quam scripsit ad Maximum et socios confessionis eius: etsi uidentur, inquit, in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen impediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus. nobis tantummodo laborandum est ut frumentum esse possimus, ut cum coeperit frumentum dominicis horreis condi, fructum pro opere nostro et labore capiamus. apostolus in epistula sua dicit: 'in domo autem magna non solum uasa sunt aurea et argentea, sed et lignea et fictilia. et quaedam quidem honorata, quaedam inhonorata.' nos operam demus et quantum possumus laboremus, ut uas aureum uel argenteum simus. ceterum fictilia uasa confringere domino soli concessum estcuietuirga ferrea data est. esse non potest maior domino suo seruus nec quisquam sibi quod soli filio pater tribuit uindicarit, ut se putet aut ad aream uentilandam et purgandam palam uel uentilabrum iam ferre posse aut a frumento uniuersa zizania humano iudicio separare. superba est ista obstinatio et sacrilega praesumptio quam sibi furor prauus adsumit.
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You are trying to turn the evangelical sentences into another sense by any argument you wish, you contradict the same blessed Cyprian, whose testimonies you adduce, just as you did in our conference. For these are the words of the aforementioned martyr on this question in the letter he wrote to Maximus and his fellow confessors: "Even if," he says, "there appear to be tares in the Church, yet our faith or our love ought not to be hindered, so that because we see tares in the Church we ourselves should withdraw from the Church. We must only labor that we may be wheat, so that when the wheat begins to be stored in the Lord's granaries, we may reap the fruit of our work and labor. The apostle says in his letter: 'In a large house, there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also wooden and earthenware ones. And some are indeed honored, some dishonored.' Let us give our effort and labor as much as we can, that we may be a gold or silver vessel. For the rest, it is granted to the Lord alone to break the earthenware vessels, to whom the iron rod is given. A servant cannot be greater than his master, nor can anyone claim for himself what the Father has granted only to the Son, so as to think that he can either carry the winnowing-fan or the winnowing-fork to the threshing-floor for winnowing and purging, or separate all the tares from the wheat by human judgment. That is a proud obstinacy and a sacrilegious presumption which a perverse madness assumes for itself.
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et dum sibi semper quidam plus quam mitis iustitia deposcit adsumunt, de ecclesia pereunt, et dum se insolenter extollunt, ipso suo tumore caecati ueritatis lumen amittunt. Nempe nunc saltem uides aduersus sanctum Cyprianum uos in nostra collatione clamasse eique contentionibus restitisse, quibus asserebatis agrum Christi, de quo ait: ager est mundus, non esse ecclesiam, sed mundum praeter ecclesiam, ut ea quae cernerentur posset habere zizania. nam in ecclesia dicebatis manifesta zizania esse non posse, quotiens hoc testimonium Cypriani posuimus, et nec aperte illi resistere ausi estis nec tamen consentire uoluistis. nempe nunc saltem expergisceris audis aduertis, quia, etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen impediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus. quare uos ergo ab unitate huius ecclesiae nefario schismate disceditis et haeretica praesumptione in eadem discissione persistitis? ecce tibi est Cyprianus: consenti illi aut responde illi.
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And while some people always assume more than gentle justice demands, they perish from the Church, and while they insolently exalt themselves, blinded by their own pride, they lose the light of truth. Surely now at least you see that in our conference you cried out against the blessed Cyprian and opposed him with contentions by which you asserted that the field of Christ, of which he says, "The field is the world," is not the Church, but the world apart from the Church, so that it could contain the tares that are visible. For you used to say that manifest tares cannot be in the Church, whenever we adduced this testimony of Cyprian, and you neither dared to resist him openly nor yet wished to agree. Surely now at least you wake up, you hear, you take notice, because, even if tares appear to be in the Church, neither our faith nor our love ought to be hindered, so that because we see tares in the Church, we ourselves should withdraw from the Church. Why, therefore, do you separate from the unity of this Church by a nefarious schism and persist in the same division with heretical presumption? Behold, here is Cyprian for you: either agree with him or answer him.
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uides quemadmodum his uerbis, quibus dicit esse in ecclesia cernique zizania nec tamen ab illa propterea debere discedi, delet omnes tuorum scriptorum calumnias, quibus etiam in tanta abrupta progressus es et te more uestro praecipitasti, ut diceres etiam nescientes qui peccauerunt de uniuerso mundo peccatis alienis perire potuisse christianos, quia scilicet legitur in sanctis scripturis unum de anathemate fuisse furatum et pro isto peccato alienum populum nescientem fuisse punitum, ignorans illas mortalium corporum poenas, hoc est moriturorum mortes, ad utilem terrorem populo ualuisse, non tamen eisdem mortuis ad aliquod detrimentum futurae uitae aliena peccata, praesertim quae nescierunt, aliquid obfuisse. itane hoc diceres? itane peccatis alienis, etiamne incognitis, perire deo quemquam credere et dicere auderes? nec saltem ipsos timuisti collegas tuos, qui te in nostra collatione reticente et fortasse cum hoc iam sentires (dicere) non audente tantis disceptationum lateribus pugnauerunt pisces malos in dominicis retibus a piscatoribus ignorari, ne uidelicet perirent eorum contagione, si scirent. nonne tibi uenit in mentem, cum de palea dominicae areae, id est ecclesiae, usque ad tempus uentilationis in una permixtione toleranda disputabamus, cum Emeritus urgeretur, negasse illum atque dixisse: non legis aream?
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You see how, with these words by which he says that tares exist and are seen in the Church yet that one ought not therefore depart from her, he erases all the calumnies of your writers, by which you have even advanced into such precipices and, in your usual manner, have hurled yourself headlong, so as to say that even Christians who were ignorant and had sinned could have perished throughout the whole world because of the sins of others, since indeed it is read in the holy scriptures that one thing was stolen from the anathema and for that sin an unknowing foreign people was punished—ignorant that those punishments of mortal bodies, that is, the deaths of those about to die, served for a useful terror to the people, yet that those same dead suffered no detriment to their future life from the sins of others, especially those they did not know. Would you say this? Would you dare to believe and say that anyone perishes before God because of the sins of others, even unknown sins? Did you not at least fear your own colleagues, who in our conference, while you were silent and perhaps, though you already felt this, did not dare to say it, fought with so many flanks of disputations that bad fish in the Lord’s nets are unknown to the fishermen, lest evidently they perish by their contagion if they knew them? Did it not occur to you, when we were disputing about the chaff of the Lord’s threshing-floor, that is, the Church, to be tolerated in one mixture until the time of winnowing, when Emeritus was pressed, that he denied it and said: “Do you not read ‘threshing-floor’?
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qui cum et a suis secretius ammoneretur et a nobis apertius, commemorantibus ex euangelio dominum esse uenturum ferentem uentilabrum in manu sua, qui mundabit aream suam et frumentum recondet in horreo, paleam uero comburet igni inexstinguibili, continuo correxisse obliuionis errorem quo negauerat scriptum, nec tamen schismaticam uel haereticam conuertisse peruersitatem, qua negabat malos a bonis debere pro unitate ecclesiae sustineri, continuoque dixisse, quod nomine paleae mali siguificarentur occulti, ut hoc causae uestrae praecipua diligentia seruaretis, quod ignorati mali commaculare bonorum neminem possent. ecce partis uestrae patronus egregius perdidit te aduersante labores suos. ille quippe, ut custodiat bonorum salutem, prorsus in ecclesia malos permanentes a bonis perhibet ignorari, ne perdant eos, si fuerint cogniti et tolerati; tu autem etiam ignoratorum malorum contagio bonos perire dixisti neque timuisti tam multos ab initio uestros latentes flagitiosos, facinorosos atque impios, qui profecto secundum tuam sententiam te atque omnes tuos uobis nescientibus perdiderunt. sed nunc quoque nullo pauore tremuisti, ne forte quispiam uestrum te nesciente peccaret et te, dum ista loqueris, perderet. an forte, dum cognitis tuis factis perisse te intellegis, propter hoc alienis incognitis perire non metuis?
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He who, when he was being warned both more privately by his own people and more openly by us, as we recalled from the Gospel that the Lord would come bearing a winnowing fan in his hand, who would cleanse his threshing floor and store the grain in the granary, but would burn the chaff with an inextinguishable fire, immediately corrected the error of forgetfulness by which he had denied that it was written, yet did not convert the schismatic or heretical perversity by which he denied that the wicked ought to be tolerated by the good for the sake of the unity of the Church, and immediately said that by the term "chaff" the hidden wicked were signified, so that you might preserve for your cause with special diligence the point that unknown wicked men could not stain any of the good. Behold, the distinguished patron of your party has lost his labors, with you opposing. For he, in order to safeguard the salvation of the good, asserts that the wicked who remain in the Church are entirely unknown to the good, lest the good be ruined if they are known and tolerated; but you said that even the contagion of unknown wicked men destroys the good, and you were not afraid that so many of your own from the beginning—hidden, wicked, criminal, and impious men—who, according to your opinion, certainly destroyed you and all your people without your knowing it. But even now you have trembled with no fear, lest perhaps one of your people should sin without your knowledge and destroy you while you are speaking these things. Or perhaps, because you understand that you have perished through your own known deeds, you do not fear perishing through the unknown deeds of others?
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Quid tibi optem, nisi ut te nobis liceat inuenire, ne libeat te perire? quid enim spei remanebit non solum nobis, qui domino Christo prophetis apostolis sanctoque Cypriano consentimus etiam cognitos malos, si eos nec corrigere possumus nec punire, pro unitatis uinculo sustinendos, uerum etiam uobis, quibus ante tempus messis, uentilationis et litoris placet a malis separatio corporalis, si opinio tua uera est, qua putas et suis peccatis quemque perire qui facit et alienis qui utrum facta sint nescit? si enim hoc ita est, profecto et maiores uestri, qui se, sicut putatis, a cognitis malis separauerunt, de incognitis perierunt. non solum autem tibi, qui, cum dicis alienis criminibus perire hominem siue illa scientem siue nescientem, nullum procul dubio remanere pateris innocentem, sed etiam ipsi Emerito, qui longe tolerabilius sentiens in communione sacramentorum alienis peccatis tantummodo cognitis homines innectit, ab incognitis soluit, multo ueriore uenerabilis Cyprianus uoce respondit simul crescentia non perire frumenta zizaniis non extra ecclesiam, sed in ecclesia constitutis, nec occultis atque incognitis, sed plane notis atque perspicuis. puto enim quod non in carne, sed in ipsa mente caecatur, qui contendit latere quod cernitur.
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What should I wish for you, except that it be permitted for us to find you, lest it please you to perish? For what hope will remain not only for us, who agree with the Lord Christ, the prophets, the apostles, and the blessed Cyprian that even known evil men, if we can neither correct nor punish them, are to be endured for the sake of the bond of unity, but also for you, to whom a bodily separation from the wicked before the time of harvest, winnowing, and the seashore is pleasing, if your opinion is true, by which you think that each person perishes both by his own sins and by those of others, whether he knows they have been committed or not? For if this is so, then assuredly your predecessors also, who separated themselves, as you think, from known evil men, perished because of the unknown. And not only do you, who, when you say that a man perishes by the crimes of others whether he knows them or is ignorant of them, undoubtedly allow no one to remain innocent, but even Emeritus himself, who, thinking far more tolerably, binds men by the sins of others only when known, and releases them from unknown ones, is answered by the much truer voice of the venerable Cyprian, who said that the growing grains do not perish because of the tares, not placed outside the Church, but within it, and not because of hidden and unknown ones, but because of those plainly known and evident. For I think that he is blinded not in the flesh, but in the mind itself, who contends that what is seen lies hidden.
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cum autem monet ille beatissimus, ne propter zizania quae in ea sunt ab ecclesia recedatur, non monet propter illa quae occultantur, sed propter illa potius quae cernuntur. ipsa enim sunt quae possunt perturbare cernentes, nisi eos faciat sapientia patientes. nam quomodo propter occulta nos non debere recedere disceremus, quae omnino esse nescimus? etsi uidentur, inquit, in ecclesia esse zizania. 'uidentur' ait, non 'suspicatione creduntur'. et ne quisquam putaret ita dictum 'uidentur esse', tamquam non essent, sed esse uiderentur, uerbis consequentibus quid dixerit aperit: non tamen inpediri, inquit, debet aut fides aut caritas nos t r a, ... u t quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus. non ait (suspicamur putamus credimus opinamur', sed (cernimus). ea quippe etiam illi non operta credebant, sed aperta cernebant, qui dixerunt patri familias: uis imus et colligimus ea?, de quibus ditum erat: cum creuisset herba et fructum fecisset, tunc apparuerunt zizania. quibus respondit: non, ne forte, dum uultis colligere zizania, simul eradicetis ettriticum, et: sinite utraque crescere usque ad messem. et tamen tu dicis - ubi quid aliud quam domino contradicis? — sola per mundum creuisse zizania et toto paene mundo diminuta perisse frumenta, cum ad aliquas gentes nondum ecclesia crescendo peruenerit.
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But when that most blessed man warns us not to withdraw from the Church because of the tares that are in it, he warns not on account of those that are hidden, but rather on account of those that are seen. For it is these that can disturb those who see them, unless wisdom makes them patient. For how would we learn that we ought not to withdraw because of hidden tares, which we do not know exist at all? "Even if tares are seen," he says, "to be in the Church." He says "are seen," not "are believed by suspicion." And lest anyone think that "are seen to be" was said as if they were not, but seemed to be, he reveals what he meant by the following words: "Nevertheless," he says, "neither faith nor our love ought to be hindered, so that because we see that there are tares in the Church, we ourselves withdraw from the Church." He does not say "we suspect, we think, we believe, we opine," but "we see." For indeed even those who said to the father of the household, "Shall we go and gather them?" concerning which it had been said, "When the herb had grown and borne fruit, then the tares appeared," also saw them openly, not believed them hidden. To them he replied: "No, lest perhaps, while you wish to gather the tares, you uproot the wheat at the same time," and "Let both grow together until the harvest." And yet you say—wherein what else do you do but contradict the Lord?—that tares alone have grown throughout the world and that wheat has perished, diminished almost throughout the whole world, when the Church, growing, has not yet reached some peoples.
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necesse est autem, ut perueniat et praedicetur euangelium in uniuerso mundo et tunc ueniat finis, quod futurum esse dominus sine ulla ambiguitate praedixit. Uides ecclesiam testimonio Cypriani et a toto catholicam dictam et non esse sine manifestis malis, propter quos tamen ammonet non relinquendam. in ea sunt boni per se ipsos multi, in comparatione autem zizaniorum uel paleae profecto pauci. non enim praeter illam, sed in illa agitur quod ipse dominus dicit: quoniam abundauit iniquitas, refrigescet caritas multorum. sed ibi est et populus ubique diffusus cui dicitur: qui perseuerauerit usque in finem, hic saluus erit. qui autem habeant fidem tamquam granum sinapis, qua montes etiam transferantur, rarissimi omnino sunt. de tali enim fide dominus dicebat: putas ueniet filius hominis et inueniet fidem in terra?, non de apostasia totius orbis, sicut tu peruersissime intellegis.
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It is necessary, however, that the Gospel be spread and preached throughout the whole world, and then the end come, which the Lord foretold would happen without any ambiguity. You see the Church, by the testimony of Cyprian, called catholic as a whole, and not being without manifest evils, on account of which, nevertheless, he warns that it is not to be abandoned. In it there are many good people in themselves, but in comparison with the tares or chaff, certainly few. For it is not outside it, but within it, that what the Lord himself says takes place: because iniquity has abounded, the charity of many will grow cold. But there is also the people spread everywhere to whom it is said: he who perseveres to the end, this one will be saved. But those who have faith like a mustard seed, by which even mountains are moved, are altogether very rare. For concerning such faith the Lord was speaking: do you think the Son of Man will come and find faith on earth?—not concerning the apostasy of the whole world, as you most perversely understand.
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Porro de baptismo, quem non putas esse nisi in ecclesia et ideo nos arguis, quod ex haeresibus uenientes, si V iam baptizati sunt, iterum non esse baptizandos censemus, sufficit quod respondere minime potuisti, quomodo damnatus baptizare potuerit Felicianus foris a uestra ecclesia constitutus, quem frustra ponere uoluisti inter eos, quibus dilationem dedistis. lege Bagaitanam uestri concilii sententiam, in qua scilicet post multa acerbissima quae illis dicta sunt et longe grauiora quam in Caecilianum, quando eum maiores uestri absentem innocentemque damnarunt, ita subiecta est eorum manifesta et indubitata damnatio: famosi ergo criminis reos Uictorianum Carcabianensem, Marcianum Sullectinum, Beianum Beianensem, Saluium Ausafensem, TheodorumUsulensem, Donatum Sabratensem, Miggenem Elefantariensem, Praetextatum Assuritanum, Saluium Membresitanum, Ualerium Melzitanum, Felicianum Mustitanum et Martialem Pertusensem, qui funesto opere perditionis uas sordidum collecta faeculentia glutinarunt, sed et clericos aliquando ecclesiae Carthaginis, qui, dum facinori intersunt, illicito incestui lenocinium praebuerunt, dei praesidentis arbitrio uniuersalis concilii ore ueridico damnatos esse cognoscite.
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Furthermore, regarding baptism, which you think exists only in the Church and for that reason you accuse us, because we judge that those coming from heresies, if they have already been baptized, should not be baptized again, it suffices that you were least able to answer how Felicianus, placed outside your Church, could baptize when condemned, whom you vainly wished to place among those to whom you granted a delay. Read the Bagaitana sentence of your council, in which, after many very harsh things said against them and far more serious than those against Caecilianus, when your elders condemned him absent and innocent, their manifest and undoubted condemnation is thus subjoined: "Therefore, know that Victorianus of Carcabiana, Marcianus of Sullectum, Beianus of Beiana, Salvius of Ausafa, Theodorus of Usula, Donatus of Sabrata, Miggo of Elephantaria, Praetextatus of Assurum, Salvius of Membresita, Valerius of Melzita, Felicianus of Musti, and Martialis of Pertusa, guilty of a notorious crime, who with a deadly work of perdition glued together a filthy vessel with collected dregs, and also the clerics once of the Church of Carthage, who, while they took part in the crime, provided pimping for an illicit incest, have been condemned by the presiding judgment of God, by the truthful mouth of the universal council.
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et deinde incipit ceteris dilatio prorogari his uerbis: eos autem, quos sacrilegi surculi non polluere plantaria, hoc est qui a Maximiani capite proprias manus uerecundo fidei pudore retraxerunt, ad matrem ecclesiam redire permisimus. iam de his quod dicendum fuit et in prioribus ad te datis litteris meis satis dictum est. cui loco te prorsus respondere non potuisse, quisquis legerit et parumper aduerterit, dubitare non poterit. Frustra itaque tibi uidetur Agrippini et Cypriani concilia in hac quaestione esse sectanda, cum uos ea neglexeritis, quando extra uestram communionem baptizatos a damnatis, contra quos de basilicis excludendos litigabatis, sine ulla repetitione baptismatis suscepistis. de sententia uero Cypriani uel collegarum eius, quibus tunc placuit uenientes ab haereticis baptizari oportere, longum est ut pro merito disputem. sed istam tu mihi, si potes, breuem solue quaestionem.
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And then he begins to grant a delay to the others with these words: "But those whom the sacrilegious shoots did not pollute the plantings—that is, those who, with a modest fidelity of shame, withdrew their own hands from the head of Maximianus—we have permitted to return to mother Church." Concerning these, what needed to be said has already been sufficiently stated in my earlier letter to you. Anyone who reads this and pays even brief attention will not be able to doubt that you were utterly unable to respond to that passage. Therefore, you are mistaken in thinking that the councils of Agrippinus and Cyprian are to be followed in this question, since you yourselves disregarded them when you received, without any repetition of baptism, those baptized outside your communion by condemned men, against whom you were litigating to have them excluded from the basilicas. As for the opinion of Cyprian or his colleagues, who at that time thought that those coming from heretics ought to be baptized, it would be a long task to discuss it as it deserves. But you, if you can, solve this brief question for me.
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quando rebaptizabat Cyprianus ab haereticis uenientes, ecclesiae Carthaginiensis episcopus, tunc ecclesiae Romanae Stephanus episcopus in eodem baptismo quem foris acceperant suscipiebat haereticos, et ambo haec diuersa facientes in unitate catholica permanebant: dic mihi, utrum illo tempore ecclesia, quando secundum uos omnium criminum reos sine baptismo recipiebat per Stephanum et eius innumerabiles toto orbe collegas, qui eiusdem sententiae participes erant, malorum contagione perierat an non perierat. neque enim istos malos poteris dicere occultos, quamuis tu asseras nocere ac mortificare et occultos. quisquis igitur homicida uel etiam parricida, adulter incestator idolatres, codicum denique sanctorum non timidus traditor seu ut traderentur crudelis tortor et uiolentus extortor et iussu uel manu extremus incensor apud haereticos baptizatus ad Stephanum et eius socios uenit, secundum uos sine baptismo exceptus est. cernis igitur omnia hominum crimina, si uerum est quod de baptismo sentitis, tunc in ecclesia sine baptismo congregata. responde, utrum his criminibus in eadem unitate maculatus fuerit Cyprianus, responde, utrum ecclesia perierit an non perierit. elige quod putaueris. si iam tunc perierat, Donatum quae peperit?
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When Cyprian, bishop of the church of Carthage, was rebaptizing those who came from the heretics, Stephen, bishop of the Roman church at that time, was receiving heretics in the same baptism which they had received outside, and both, doing these different things, remained in catholic unity: tell me whether at that time the church, when according to you it was receiving those guilty of every crime without baptism through Stephen and his countless colleagues throughout the world who shared the same opinion, had perished from the contagion of evil men or had not perished. For you will not be able to call these evil men hidden, although you assert that even hidden men harm and kill. Therefore, whoever—a murderer or even a parricide, an adulterer, an incestuous person, an idolater, finally a not timid traitor of the holy codices or a cruel torturer and violent extortioner that they be handed over, and an ultimate burner by order or by hand—baptized among heretics came to Stephen and his associates, according to you was received without baptism. You see, therefore, all the crimes of men, if what you think about baptism is true, then gathered in the church without baptism. Answer whether Cyprian was stained by these crimes in that same unity, answer whether the church perished or did not perish. Choose what you think. If it had already perished then, what did Donatus give birth to?
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si autem tot in eam sine baptismo aggregatis perire non potuit; responde * ■ quaeso, ut ab ea se tamquam malorum communionem deuitans pars Donati separaret quae dementia persuasit. Absit autem ut, quoniam beatissimus Cyprianus de baptismo aliter sensit quam ueritas et antea consuetudine et postea perspecta diligentius ratione monstrauit, propterea quisquam nostrum, qui hoc quod ille non sapimus, ei se audeat anteponere. cetera enim multa et magna eius merita et animus praecipua caritate plenissimus, per quem cum collegis diuersa sentientibus pacatissimus mansit, et in unitate ecclesiae passio gloriosa satis ostenderunt eum fuisse sarmentum in Christi radice fructuosum, quod pater etiam ab ista reprehensione purgaret, ut fructum posset adferre maiorem. sic enim ait ipse Iesus: sarmentum quod in me dat fructum, purgat illud pater meus ut maiorem fructum adferat, ostendens etiam in ipsis fructuosis agricolam, qui est in caelis, aliquid inuenire quod purget. quis enim nostrum Petro apostolo comparari potest, quamuis numquam gentes iudaizare coegerimus, quod ille faciebat, quando non recte ingrediebatur ad ueritatem euangelii? unde a suo posteriore apostolo Paulo salubri ammonitione correctus utilius posteris humilitatis praebuit exemplum, quam si nihil in illo existeret corrigendum.
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But if the whole Church could not perish even when so many were gathered into it without baptism, answer me, I ask: what madness persuaded the Donatist party to separate from it, as if avoiding communion with the wicked? Far be it, however, that because the most blessed Cyprian thought differently about baptism than the truth—which was shown first by custom and later, after more careful examination, by reason—any of us who do not think as he did should dare to set ourselves above him. For his many other great merits, his mind filled with exceptional charity, through which he remained most peaceful with colleagues who held different views, and his glorious passion in the unity of the Church, have sufficiently shown that he was a fruitful branch on Christ’s root, which the Father would also cleanse from this reproach so that it could bear greater fruit. For Jesus himself says: “The branch that bears fruit in me, my Father cleanses it so that it may bear greater fruit,” showing that even in fruitful branches the farmer, who is in heaven, finds something to cleanse. For who among us can be compared to the apostle Peter, even though we have never forced Gentiles to Judaize, as he did when he was not rightly proceeding toward the truth of the Gospel? Hence, corrected by his later fellow apostle Paul through a salutary admonition, he provided a more useful example of humility to posterity than if there had been nothing in him to correct.
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In hac ergo ecclesia constituti, quae malorum siue occultorum siue etiam manifestorum nec potuit nec poterit perire contagio, nullas de quibuslibet hominibus calumnias formidamus. si enim mali sunt, procul dubio eos aut ignorant boni aut suis indiciis manifestatos ecclesiasticis legibus damnant aut etiam, si nouerunt eos et non apud se accusatos neque conuictos damnare non possunt, pro ecclesiae pace non solum inreprehensibiliter, uerum etiam laudabiliter tolerant nec se propter pisces malos ruptis dominicis retibus ante tempus litoris damnabiliter separant. si enim hoc facere uelint, exceptis diuinarum scripturarum innumerabilibus testimoniis, quibus ne faciant prohibentur, retinet eos certe quem testem adhibuisti beatissimus Cyprianus clamans atque contestans, quia, etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen impediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus, non solum uerbo, uerum etiam exemplo suo nos ammonens, qui collegas suos fundos insidiosis fraudibus rapientes, usuris multiplicantibus faenus augentes, quorum auaritiam non leue aliquod uitium sed esse idololatriam secundum apostolum intellegit, pro unitatis uinculo pertulit tales nec eorum contagio factus est talis.
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Placed in this Church, which the contagion of the wicked—whether hidden or even manifest—could not and will not destroy, we fear no calumnies from any men whatsoever. For if they are evil, without doubt either the good are ignorant of them, or they condemn them by ecclesiastical laws when they are revealed by their own indications, or even, if they know them and cannot condemn them because they have not been accused and convicted before them, they tolerate them for the sake of the Church’s peace not only blamelessly but even laudably, and do not separate themselves damnably, like broken Lord’s nets before the time of the shore, because of bad fish. For if they wished to do this, apart from the countless testimonies of the divine Scriptures which forbid them to do so, certainly the most blessed Cyprian, whom you adduced as a witness, restrains them, crying out and testifying that, even if tares are seen to be in the Church, our faith or our charity ought not to be hindered, so that because we perceive tares in the Church we ourselves should withdraw from the Church; he warns us not only by word but also by his own example, who endured such colleagues—seizing estates by deceitful frauds, increasing usury by multiplying interest, whose avarice he understood, according to the Apostle, to be not some light vice but idolatry—for the bond of unity, and did not become such by their contagion.
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discessit ab eis dissimilitudine morum, non diuisione sacramentorum et immundum non tetigit, sed a factis eorum abhorrendo, non seorsum populum colligendo. uos autem, dum carnaliter sapitis quod dictum est per Esaiam prophetam: discedite et exite de medio eorum et separamini, dicit dominus, et inmundum ne tetigeritis et alia quae in scripturis similiter dicta sunt, dum haec, inquam, non spiritaliter, sed carnaliter sapitis, tales omnino apparetis, quales eorum ipso propheta praedicante damnantur dicentes: noli me tangere, quoniam mundus sum.deniquequando aliena peccata uos peruerse deuitanda esse censuistis, alia uestra fecistis, sacrilegum schisma populos diuidendo et sacrilegam haeresim contra dei manifesta promissa et inpleta de ecclesia toto orbe diffusa nefario spiritu sentiendo. nam si, ut putas et nos in uerbo reprehendis, una eademque societas perditorum (non) simul et schisma et haeresis esset, non dixisset beatissimus Cyprianus in hac ipsa epistula, unde hoc de zizaniis in ecclesia constitutis posui testimonium, eis confessoribus, quos gratulabatur a Nouatianorum diuisione fuisse liberatos: dolebam uehementer et grauiter angebar quod eis communicare non possem quos semel diligere coepissem, posteaquam uos de carcere prodeuntes schismaticus (et haereticus) error excepit.
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They departed from them by a dissimilarity of morals, not by a division of sacraments, and did not touch the unclean, but by recoiling from their deeds, not by gathering a separate people. You, however, while understanding carnally what was said through the prophet Isaiah: "Depart and go out from their midst and separate yourselves," says the Lord, "and do not touch the unclean," and other things similarly said in the Scriptures—while you understand these things, I say, not spiritually but carnally—you appear to be exactly those who are condemned by that same prophet's proclamation, saying: "Do not touch me, for I am pure." Finally, when you judged that the sins of others were to be perversely avoided, you committed other sins of your own, dividing the people by a sacrilegious schism and conceiving a sacrilegious heresy with a wicked spirit against God's manifest promises, which have been fulfilled in the Church spread throughout the whole world. For if, as you think and as you reproach us in word, one and the same society of the lost were not both schism and heresy, the most blessed Cyprian would not have said in this very epistle from which I placed the testimony about the tares established in the Church, to those confessors whom he congratulated for having been freed from the division of the Novatians: "I grieved vehemently and was gravely distressed that I could not communicate with those whom I had once begun to love, after you, coming forth from prison, were received by schismatic (and heretical) error.
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noli ergo contra apertissimam ueritatem aut utrumque fallaciter declinare aut unum horum tibi quod tibi mitius uidetur eligere, cum et schismaticus sis sacrilega discessione et haereticus sacrilego dogmate. Nec uobis blandiamini, quod baptismum non rescindimus uestrum. non est hoc uestrum, sed catholicae ecclesiae quam tenemus, unde illum quando discessistis non quidem ad salutem, sed ad perniciem uestram uobiscum tulistis. nam uasa dominica etiam apud alienigenas sancta permanserant, unde rex, qui eis contumeliose uti ausus est, deo irascente punitus est, et arca testamenti ab hostibus capta nequaquam uirtutem suae sanctificationis amisit. si ergo illa sancta, quae sic tunc apud alienos fuerunt, ut apud suos esse desisterent, uim tamen sanctitatis nullo modo perdere potuerunt, quanto magis eam christiana sacramenta non perdunt, quando ita, ut apud nos etiam maneant, ad haereticos transeunt! hoc est quod dixi ad te scribens, quod etiam in collatione uobis diximus idque potius eludendum putastis, quia dissoluere nequiuistis, quoniam, sicut apostolus ait de quibusdam: ueritatem in iniquitate detinent, ita et uos ueritatem baptismi diuini in iniquitate detinetis erroris humani; quam ueritatem non uestram propter iniquitatem uestram rescindere utique non debemus.
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Do not, therefore, deceitfully evade the most manifest truth by taking refuge in both, or choose one of them for yourself because it seems milder to you, when you are both a schismatic by sacrilegious separation and a heretic by sacrilegious dogma. Nor should you flatter yourselves that we do not rescind your baptism. It is not yours, but that of the Catholic Church which we hold, whence when you departed you took it with you not indeed to your salvation, but to your perdition. For the Lord's vessels remained holy even among aliens, whence the king who dared to use them insultingly was punished by an angry God, and the ark of the covenant, when captured by enemies, by no means lost the power of its sanctification. If, therefore, those holy things, which were then among aliens in such a way that they ceased to be among their own, could in no way lose the force of their holiness, how much more do Christian sacraments not lose it when they pass to heretics in such a way that they also remain with us! This is what I said in writing to you, which we also said to you in the conference, and which you thought rather to evade because you were unable to refute it, since, as the apostle says of certain people: they hold the truth in iniquity, so you also hold the truth of divine baptism in the iniquity of human error; which truth, because it is not yours on account of your iniquity, we certainly ought not to rescind.
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et quia ipse apostolus de idolatris gentibus dixisse intellegitur: qui ueritatem in iniquitate detinent, tu mihi quasi respondens flagitasti ut probarem, quid de gentilium sacrilegio apostolus non rescindat, quid de eorum profano ritu non damnet, quasi posset, quod sacrilegum est et profanum, non rescindere atque damnare, sicut nos schisma uestrum et haeresim uestram. sententias tamen quasdam ueritatis, quas de incognito deo quidam gentilium philosophi tenent, non solum non destruxit apostolus, sed etiam inde testimonium cum opus esset adhibuit. loquens quippe Athe. niensibus ait de deo: in illo enim uiuimus et mouemur et sumus, sicut et quidam secundum uos dixerunt. hanc illi ueritatem sapientiae, quam beatissimus Paulus non solum non destruebat, uerum etiam ad illos instruendos adhibebat, in iniquitate detinebant suae idolatriae, quam doctrina apostolica machinamentis apostolicis euertebat. ita et nos, quae in ecclesia catholica uera maiores uestri acceperunt uobisque tradiderunt, non rescindimus, sed agnoscimus, uestrum uero sacrilegium aut in uestra conuersione rescindimus aut in uestra pertinacia detestamur.
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And because the apostle himself is understood to have said of idolatrous Gentiles, "who hold the truth in iniquity," you demanded of me, as if in reply, that I prove what the apostle does not rescind of the Gentiles' sacrilege, what he does not condemn of their profane rite, as if he could fail to rescind and condemn what is sacrilegious and profane, just as we do your schism and your heresy. Yet certain truths, which some Gentile philosophers hold concerning the unknown God, he not only did not destroy, but even used as testimony when needed. For speaking to the Athenians, he says of God: "In Him we live and move and have our being," just as some among you have said. This truth of wisdom, which the most blessed Paul not only did not destroy but even employed to instruct them, they held in the iniquity of their own idolatry, which apostolic teaching overturned by apostolic means. So too we do not rescind, but recognize, what your elders received from the Catholic Church and handed on to you; but we either rescind your sacrilege in your conversion or detest it in your obstinacy.
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Quamquam totam quaestionem et totum quod inter nos agitur uno uerbo tribuni satis diligenter exposito omnino soluisti. cum enim ego dixissem: neque hoc in tribuni litteris legitur a te in ueritate inuocatum nomen dei, quia ipsum prorsus uerbum ibi non legeram, tu respondisti: falleris uel potius fallis, nam uerba tribuni sunt: (neue tantum opus, domus domini, ubi a te saepius dei et Christi eius inuocatum nomen est, per religionem tuam ibidem constitutam concrematum esse dÜ-atur). intellege, quia in ueritate religio dicitur, in fallacia superstitio nominatur. quando ego id aduerterem, quando ita ratiocinarer, quando aliud ex alio sic probarem? fateor, fugit hoc aciem quantulicumque ingenii mei et ideo crede mihi falli me ibi potuisse, non, ut dixisti, fallere uoluisse in uerbo. itaque tribunus tamquam homo militaris errauit, ut ei, quem scit uel credit haereticum, diceret: per religionem tuam, cum haeresis non religio, sed superstitio, religio autem non in falsitate, sed in ueritate propria locutione dicatur. proinde secundum hanc expositionem tuam uerus dei cultus religio, falsus autem superstitio nuncupatur. audi ergo te ipsum, obaudi tibi ipsi, et nos sequi minime recusabis.
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Although you have completely resolved the entire question and everything that is at issue between us with a single word of the tribune, set forth with sufficient care. For when I had said: "Nor is this read in the tribune's letter, that the name of God was invoked by you in truth, because I had not read that very word there at all," you replied: "You are mistaken, or rather you are deceiving, for the tribune's words are: 'Lest such a great work, the house of the Lord, where the name of God and of his Christ has been invoked by you more often, be said to have been burned down through your religion established there.' Understand, because religion is spoken of in truth, superstition is named in falsehood." When would I have noticed this, when would I have reasoned thus, when would I have proved one thing from another in this way? I confess, this escaped the keenness of whatever little intellect I have, and therefore believe me that I could have been mistaken there, not, as you said, that I wished to deceive in a word. And so the tribune, as a military man, erred, so that he said to one whom he knows or believes to be a heretic: "through your religion," since heresy is not religion but superstition, and religion is not spoken of in falsehood but in truth, in proper speech. Therefore, according to this exposition of yours, true worship of God is called religion, false worship, however, is called superstition. So listen to yourself, obey yourself, and you will by no means refuse to follow us.
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scribens namque ad eundem tribunum in primae epistulae tuae ipso exordio posuisti atque dixisti: honorabili ac nimium nobis, si sic uolueris, desiderando Dulcitio tribuno et notario Gaudentius episcopus et continuo subiecisti: religionis tuae scripta percepi. quid igitur ad nos uenire adhuc dubitas? ecce tribunus Dulcitius cum sit homo communionis nostrae, tamen secundum testimonium tuum non superstitiosus, sed religiosus est, ac per hoc secundum expositionem tuam non falsum, sed uerum dei cultum tenet. ipse ergo est in catholica potius quam tu, quoniam tu in hoc uerbo usque adeo non errasti, ut etiam exponeres tantum religionem a superstitione distare, quantum a falsitate ueritas distat. ille autem homo, ut iam dixi, militaris et in istis uerborum proprietatibus minus eruditus quid esset religio nesciebat; absit enim ut dicam: te adulando fallebat'. tu uero, qui eos, contra quos disputas, arguis ex propheta et clamas: uae his qui dicunt amarum dulce et dulce amarum, qui dicunt lucem tenebras et tenebras lucem, si superstitio est, quam nobiscum tenet Dulcitius, cur eam religionem esse dixisti? si autem uerum dixisti, cur haereticam tenendo superstitionem respuis catholicam religionem? sequere igitur testimonium tuum, maxime quia et ipsi uestri cum cognouerint non tibi fortasse communicabunt, quoniam tribuno Dulcitio per hoc uerbum communicasti.
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For when writing to the same tribune, in the very beginning of your first letter you placed and said: "To the honorable and, if you will, most greatly desired by us, Dulcitius, tribune and notary, Gaudentius, bishop." And immediately you subjoined: "I have received the writings of your religion." Why, therefore, do you still hesitate to come to us? Behold, the tribune Dulcitius, although he is a man of our communion, nevertheless, according to your testimony, is not superstitious but religious, and by this, according to your exposition, he holds not a false but a true worship of God. He, therefore, is in the Catholic Church rather than you, since you in this word erred so little that you even explained that religion differs from superstition as much as truth differs from falsehood. But that man, as I have already said, a military man and less learned in these proprieties of words, did not know what religion was; far be it from me to say that he was deceiving you by flattery. But you, who reproach those against whom you dispute from the prophet and cry out: "Woe to those who call bitter sweet and sweet bitter, who call light darkness and darkness light," if the position which Dulcitius holds with us is superstition, why did you call it religion? But if you spoke truly, why do you, by holding a heretical superstition, reject the Catholic religion? Follow, therefore, your own testimony, especially since even your own people, when they learn of it, will perhaps not communicate with you, because you communicated with the tribune Dulcitius through this word.
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heia, frater Gaudenti, noli perdere occasionem, quam tibi etiam per tuam linguam dominus dedit. an forte ad hoc irasceris, quod fratrem uoco? hoc enim nomen a nobis etiam in nostra collatione respuistis, ubi ostendistis nos esse quibus dominus praecepit per prophetam: dicite fratres nostri estis' eis qui uos oderunt et qui uos detestantur, uos uero in numero eorum esse, qui istos, quibus hoc dominus dicit, oderunt et detestantur. negare certe non potes te religionem dixisse in qua est tribunus Dulcitius. propterea illam tibi epistulam misit, utique ut te non occideres et illi ecclesiae in qua est ipse communicares. si ergo ipsius religio est, tua superstitio est. quamuis enim ambo nobis hoc inuicem dixeritis, eligis tamen ipsum potius falsum dixisse quam te. Quamobrem secundum hoc tuum uerissimum testimonium et tuam uerissimam expositionem quoniam religio est quam Dulcitius tribunus tenet, profecto religio est qua te ad nostram communionem praeceptum imperatoris impellit. unde fit consequens, ut religio sit etiam qua christianus imperator ad curam suam iudicat pertinere, ne in res diuinas inpune peccetur, a quo tu non uis curari nisi ea, quae terrena re publica continentur. unde et regem Niniuitarum oblitus quid legeris populo de agenda paenitentia non mandasse dixisti; haec enim uerba tua sunt ad me: quid, inquis, miseros decipis?
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Come now, brother Gaudentius, do not lose the opportunity which the Lord has given you even through your own tongue. Or are you angry because I call you brother? For you rejected this name from us even in our conference, where you showed that we are those to whom the Lord commanded through the prophet: "Say, 'You are our brothers'" to those who hate you and who detest you, while you are among those who hate and detest those to whom the Lord says this. Certainly you cannot deny that you said religion is that in which the tribune Dulcitius is. For that reason he sent that letter to you, namely so that you would not kill yourself and would communicate with that church in which he himself is. Therefore, if his is religion, yours is superstition. For although you have both said this to each other, you nevertheless choose him to have spoken falsely rather than yourself. Therefore, according to this your most true testimony and your most true exposition, since the religion which the tribune Dulcitius holds is religion, certainly the religion is that which impels you by the emperor's command to our communion. Whence it follows that religion is also that by which the Christian emperor judges it to pertain to his care that there be no impious offense against divine matters, from which you do not wish to be cured except in those things which are contained in the earthly commonwealth. Whence you also said, forgetting what you read to the people about performing penance, that the king of the Ninevites did not command it; for these are your words to me: "Why," you ask, "do you deceive the wretched?
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Ionae deus praecepit, prophetam dominus ad populum misit; nihil tale regi mandauit. aduerte ergo quid scriptum sit et noli irasci nisi tibi ipsi, qui uel diuina scripta non recolis uel tu potius miseros decipis: surrexit Ionas et abiit in Niniue, sicut locutus est dominus. Niniue autem ciuitas magna erat quasi uiae tridui. et coepit Ionas ingredi ciuitatem quasi unius diei iter, et praedicauit et ait: adhuc triduum, et Niniue subuertetur. et crediderunt uiri Niniuitae domino et indixerunt ieiunium et saccos induerunt a maiore usque ad minorem. cumque peruenisset sermo ad regem ciuitatis Niniue, surrexit de sede sua et detraxit sibi uestimenta et se circumdedit sacco et consedit in cinere. praedicaturque a rege et a potentibus, dicens: homines et iumenta et oues et boues non gustent quicquam nec pascantur et aquam non bibant. et induti sunt saccos homines et iumenta: proclamauerunt ad dominum inpense et auersus est unusquisque a uia nequitiae suae et iniquitatis quam in manibus habebat. audisne tandem regem curasse, quod ad curam regum tibi displiceat pertinere? certe ut inpense ageretur, quod minus quam oportuerat agebatur. ideo ergo Niniuitae non sunt expoliationibus proscriptionibusque uel terrore militum ad paenitentiam imperio regis artati, quia oboedienter iussa fecerunt. non itaque ostendimus populum ista perpessum, quia nec tu ostendas regem fuisse contemptum.
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God gave a command to Jonah; the Lord sent the prophet to the people; He gave no such command to the king. Notice, therefore, what is written, and be angry only with yourself, if you either do not recall the divine Scriptures or rather deceive the wretched: Jonah arose and went to Nineveh, as the Lord had spoken. Now Nineveh was a great city, about a three days' journey. And Jonah began to enter the city as if it were a one day's journey, and he preached and said: "Yet three days, and Nineveh will be overthrown." And the men of Nineveh believed the Lord and proclaimed a fast and put on sackcloth, from the greatest to the least. And when the word reached the king of the city of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, tore off his garments, wrapped himself in sackcloth, and sat down in ashes. And it is proclaimed by the king and the powerful, saying: "Let men and beasts and sheep and oxen taste nothing, nor be fed, and let them not drink water." And men and beasts were clad in sackcloth; they cried out earnestly to the Lord, and each one turned away from the path of his own wickedness and the iniquity which he had in hand. Do you finally hear that the king took care of what you disapprove of as belonging to the care of kings? Certainly, so that it might be done earnestly, what was being done less than was necessary. Therefore, the Ninevites were not constrained by the king's command to repentance through confiscations, proscriptions, or the terror of soldiers, because they obediently did what was ordered. Thus we do not show that the people suffered that, just as you do not show that the king was despised.
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proinde cum regibus ea, quae secundum deum sunt, religioso timore iubentibus quisquis obtemperat, a timore incipiens et ad dilectionem proficiens a domino accipit pacem, non sicut pacem dat saeculum, quoniam saeculum pacem dat propter temporalem utilitatem, dominus autem propter aeternam salutem. ergo quia ista religio est in qua est tribunus Dulcitius — neque enim uerba tua negaturus es —, superstitio est pars Donati unde te uult erui huius religio. superstitio est quod te quaeris occidere, quod ualde prohibet huius religio, superstitio est quod erga ista curam reprehendis imperatoris, quam suscepit exequendam huius religio. Itaque quia uerbo tuo causa finita est, obsecro per deum religionis, deum ueritatis, ut etiam tuus error aliquando finiatur. ipsa est, frater, ecclesia Christi quae hoc tempore toto terrarum orbe crescendo dilatatur, continens et malos et bonos uentilatione ultima separandos. atque ut te ad extremum illius potius uerbis alloquar, quem testem catholici nominis adhibere uoluisti, ipsa est quae domini luce perfusa per orbem totum radios suos porrigit, ipsa est quae ramos suos per uniuersam terram copia ubertatis extendit. proinde etsi uidentur in illa esse zizania, non tamen impediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus.
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Therefore, when kings command those things which are according to God with religious fear, whoever obeys them, beginning from fear and progressing to love, receives peace from the Lord, not the peace that the world gives, because the world gives peace for temporal advantage, but the Lord gives it for eternal salvation. Therefore, because this is the religion in which the tribune Dulcitius stands—for you will not deny your own words—the superstition is the Donatist party, from which this religion wishes you to be rescued. It is superstition that you seek to kill yourself, which this religion strongly forbids; it is superstition that you find fault with the emperor's care in this matter, which this religion has undertaken to carry out. And so, because your own word has ended the case, I beseech you by the God of this religion, the God of truth, that your error may also finally be ended. This, brother, is the Church of Christ, which at this time is growing and spreading throughout the whole world, containing both the evil and the good, who are to be separated at the final winnowing. And, to address you finally with the words of that man whom you wished to call as a witness for the Catholic name, this is the Church which, bathed in the Lord's light, extends its rays throughout the whole world; this is the Church which spreads its branches over the entire earth with an abundance of fruitfulness. Therefore, even if tares are seen in it, neither our faith nor our love ought to be hindered, so that because we see tares in the Church, we ourselves do not withdraw from the Church.
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nobis tantummodo laborandum est ut frumentum esse possimus, ut cum frumentum coeperit dominicis horreis con-. di, fructum pro opere nostro et labore capiamus. apostolus in epistula sua dicit: 'in domo autem magna non solum uasa sunt aurea et argentea, sed et lignea et fictilia. et quaedam quidem honorata, quaedam inhonorata.' nos operam demus et quantum possumus laboremus, ut uas aureum uel argenteum simus. ceterum fictilia uasa confringere domino soli concessum est cui et uirga ferrea data est. esse non potest maior domino suo seruus nec quisquam sibi quod soli filio pater tribuit uindicarit, ut putet aut ad aream uentilandam et purgandam palam (uel uentilabrum) iam ferre se posse aut a frumento uniuersa zizania humano iudicio separare. superba est ista obstinatio et sacrilega praesumptio quam sibi furor prauus adsumit. et dum sibi semper quidam plus quam mitis iustitia deposcit adsumunt, de ecclesia pereunt, et dum se insolenter extollunt, ipso suo tumore caecati ueritatis lumen amittunt. beatissimi Cypriani sunt uerba ista, non mea; eius uidelicet uerba sunt, quem tu nobis lectissimum testem catholici nominis in tuorum scriptorum exordio posuisti et per multa copiosissime commendasti, immo per ipsum, quoniam uera atque diuina sunt, uerba sunt dei.
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We must only labor so that we may be grain, so that when the grain begins to be stored in the Lord's granaries, we may receive fruit for our work and labor. The apostle says in his epistle: 'But in a great house, there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also wooden and earthenware ones. And some are indeed honored, some dishonored.' Let us give effort and labor as much as we can, so that we may be a gold or silver vessel. For the rest, breaking earthenware vessels is granted to the Lord alone, to whom also the iron rod has been given. A servant cannot be greater than his master, nor can anyone claim for himself what the Father has granted to the Son alone, so as to think that he can either carry the winnowing fan (or winnowing fork) for threshing and cleansing the threshing floor, or separate all the tares from the grain by human judgment. That obstinacy is proud and that presumption is sacrilegious, which a perverse madness assumes for itself. And while some always assume more for themselves than gentle justice demands, they perish from the Church, and while they insolently exalt themselves, blinded by their own swelling, they lose the light of truth. These are the words of the most blessed Cyprian, not mine; they are, namely, the words of him whom you placed as a most choice witness of the Catholic name at the beginning of your writings and commended most copiously through many things, or rather, since they are true and divine, they are the words of God.
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