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Summary
De Non Conveniendo Cum Haereticis is a polemical treatise by Lucifer, Bishop of Cagliari, written in Latin during the mid-4th century, likely in the 360s amid the Arian controversy. The work argues for strict separation from heretics, targeting the Arian emperor Constantius II. It survives in a single manuscript tradition, preserved in the CSEL edition, with no known early medieval copies. The text is rhetorically heightened and employs biblical citations, such as conflated Exodus passages, to support its uncompromising stance. Lucifer's works were noted by Jerome but later fell into disuse, and this treatise is not a work of systematic theology but a partisan anti-Arian polemic.
De Non Conveniendo Cum Haereticis is significant as a primary source for the radical Nicene position during the Arian controversy, illustrating the extreme separatist views that contributed to the Luciferian schism. It provides insight into the rhetorical strategies and biblical exegesis used by anti-Arian polemicists. The work's survival in a single manuscript highlights the fragility of transmission for partisan texts, and its citation by Jerome underscores its early recognition, despite later neglect.
Historical context
The treatise dates to the 360s, a period of intense conflict within the Christian church over Arianism, which denied the full divinity of Christ. Lucifer of Cagliari (fl. mid-4th century) was a staunch Nicene bishop who opposed the Arian emperor Constantius II. The work likely follows the Council of Alexandria (362), which sought to reconcile moderate and strict Nicenes but which Lucifer rejected, leading to his schismatic stance. The text survives in a single manuscript tradition, the basis for the CSEL edition, with no evidence of wide medieval circulation. Its Latin is polemical and rhetorically charged, reflecting Lucifer's uncompromising position. The treatise was cited by Jerome in De Viris Illustribus but later fell into obscurity, indicating limited transmission and influence in later centuries.
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I. DE NON CONVENIENDO CVM HAERETICIS.
Cum omnibus perniciosis tuis conatibus aduertisses itum obuiam cumque omnia machinamenta contra dei ecclesiam tua repperisses cuncto dei populo reuelata, dixisti nos fuisse atque esse inimicos pacis, hostes unitatis, aduersarios etiam fraternae caritatis. si inter dei cultores et eius religionis inimicos nihil esse debet inter, cur Moyses tempore quo uidit populum illum carnalem Iudaicum, cuius tu sapientiam tenes, idololatriae incurrisse reatum, posteaquam gladio certos percuti fecit, etiam stationem suam segregatam esse uoluit? quae ita esse accipe scriptum: et dixit dominus ad Moysen: dic filiis Israel, uos populus durae ceruicis, uidete ne aliam plagam inducens super uos deleam uos. nunc ergo deponite stolas gloriae uestrae et ornamentum, et ostendam quae facturus sum uobis. et abstulerunt filii Israel ornatum suum et stolas a monte Choreb, et sumens tabernaculum Moyses fixit illud extra castra, longe a castris, et appellatum est tabernaculum testimonii, et fiebat ut omnis quicumque quaerebat dominum ibat ad tabernaculum testimonii foras extra castra. cum autem egrediebatur foras de tabernaculo Moyses, stabat omnis populus speculantes unusquisque ad ostium tabernaculi sui.
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I. ON NOT ASSOCIATING WITH HERETICS.
When you had perceived that all your pernicious attempts were being met, and when you had discovered that all your machinations against the Church of God had been revealed to the whole people of God, you said that we were and are enemies of peace, foes of unity, and also adversaries of fraternal charity. If there ought to be nothing between the worshippers of God and the enemies of His religion, why did Moses, at the time when he saw that carnal Jewish people—whose wisdom you uphold—had incurred the guilt of idolatry, after he had caused certain ones to be struck down by the sword, also wish his own station to be separated? That this is so, accept the Scripture: And the Lord said to Moses: “Say to the children of Israel, ‘You are a stiff-necked people; see that I do not bring another plague upon you and destroy you. Now therefore lay aside your robes of glory and your adornment, and I will show you what I am about to do to you.’” And the children of Israel removed their adornment and robes from Mount Choreb, and Moses, taking the tabernacle, pitched it outside the camp, far from the camp, and it was called the Tabernacle of the Testimony; and it came to pass that everyone who sought the Lord went to the Tabernacle of the Testimony outside the camp. And when Moses went out from the tabernacle, all the people stood, each one watching at the door of his own tent.
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considerabant euntem Moysen, usque dum introiret tabernaculum; mox autem introisset in tabernaculum Moyses, descendebat columna nubis et stabat in ianua tabernaculi et loquebatur Moysi, et uidebat omnis populus columnam nubis stantem in ianua tabernaculi, et stans totus populus adorauerunt unusquisque ad ostium tabernaculi, et locutus est dominus ad Moysen palam palam, quemadmodum quis loquitur ad amicum suum. minister autem Hiesus filius Naue iunior non exiebat de tabernaculo. per quod factum ostensum est uos in deum peccantes uitandos secedendumque esse a uobis. sed inquit: ecce Moyses licet alio in loco habuerit tabernaculum, tamen non deseruit populum, sed hortatus est eos corrigere uias errorum suorum deo propitio. nec hi qui tuo sacrilegio misceri recusauerunt desunt ab his officiis; dici etenim tibi cognoscis, nisi uias correxeris tuas, quod sis in aeternum periturus.
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they watched Moses as he went, until he entered the tabernacle; as soon as Moses had entered the tabernacle, a column of cloud descended and stood at the door of the tabernacle and spoke to Moses, and the whole people saw the column of cloud standing at the door of the tabernacle, and the entire people standing adored, each at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord spoke to Moses openly, just as one speaks to his friend. But the minister Joshua son of Nun, the younger, did not leave the tabernacle. By this event it was shown that you, sinning against God, are to be avoided and that one must withdraw from you. But you say: behold, although Moses had the tabernacle in another place, he did not abandon the people, but urged them to correct the ways of their errors with God propitious. Nor do those who have refused to mingle with your sacrilege fail in these duties; for you know that it is said to you, unless you correct your ways, that you will perish forever.
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Id quod ergo intendere coeperamus quo penitus possumus perducere ad probationem, quotiens murmurauit populus contra deum et insurrexerunt in Moysen, legisti deum dixisse ad Moysen et Aaron: secedite e medio populi huius indisciplinati, contumaces, et disperdam eos ego. quid igitur nos uult facere nisi ut uos indisciplinatos et contumaces fugiamus, ne simul uobiscum sicut illi qui cum Chore Dathan et Abiron fuerant coadunati pereamus? aut negabis te indisciplinatum atque contumacem? respice actus tuos circa domini exhibitos ecclesiam, et inuenies quam sis indisciplinatus atque contumax. in Deuteronomio dicit Moyses: non ponetis ad eos testamentum neque misereamini eis, neque tradetis eis filias uestras nuptum neque dabis filio tuo filiam illius; seducet enim filium tuum a me et seruiet diis alienis, et irascetur ira dominus in uos et exterminabit te cito. cum haec mandet fieri, quomodo possumus uobiscum conuenire, uobiscum pacem habere, cum negatoribus unici dei filii? quomodo potueramus istam tuam implere uoluntatem? cum deum uideas dixisse per Moysen de Moabitis, Ammonitis: non salutabitis eos pacifice omnibus diebus uitae tuae usque in aeternum. quomodo simul esse Arriani et Christiani potueramus?
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What we had therefore begun to aim at, we can as far as possible bring to proof: whenever the people murmured against God and rose up against Moses, you have read that God said to Moses and Aaron: "Withdraw from the midst of this undisciplined, stubborn people, and I will destroy them myself." What then does He want us to do, except to flee from you, undisciplined and stubborn, lest together with you we perish, as did those who were united with Korah, Dathan, and Abiram? Or will you deny that you are undisciplined and stubborn? Look at your actions concerning the Lord's church, and you will find how undisciplined and stubborn you are. In Deuteronomy Moses says: "You shall not make a covenant with them, nor have mercy on them, nor give them your daughters in marriage, nor shall you give your son his daughter; for he will lead your son away from me and he will serve alien gods, and the Lord's anger will be kindled against you and will destroy you quickly." Since He commands these things to be done, how can we meet with you, have peace with you, with deniers of the only Son of God? How could we have fulfilled this wish of yours? When you see that God said through Moses concerning the Moabites and Ammonites: "You shall not greet them peaceably all the days of your life, forever." How could we have been both Arians and Christians together?
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cum audias Moysen dicere: non erit adultera ex filiabus Israel, et omni commoneat loco ut omnis adulter interficiatur productus ad portam lapidibus: et tolletis, inquit, inicum a uobismet ipsis. si carnale adulterium dicit ita execrari deum, ut iusserit omnes puniri adulteros, quanto magis adulterium uestrum spiritale execretur dominus necesse est, unde et fueratis atque estis fugiendi. cum apostaticis non potueramus conuenire Christiani, quando dixisse inueniamus spiritum sanctum per Moysen: aperiet tibi deus thesaurum caelestem optimum dare tibi pluuiam terrae tuae, in tempore benedicet opus manuum tuarum omne, fenerabis gentes multas, tu autem non feneraberis et proeliabis gentes multas, te autem non expugnabunt, constituet te dominus deus tuus in caput et non in cauda, et eris supra et non subtus, si audieris mandatum domini dei tui, quodcumque ego mando tibi hodie custodire et facere, et non discedere ab omni sermone quem ego mando tibi hodie dextra aut sinistra.
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When you hear Moses say: "There shall be no adulteress from among the daughters of Israel," and in every place he warns that every adulterer is to be killed, brought to the gate and stoned; and he says: "You shall remove the iniquitous from among yourselves." If God so abhors carnal adultery that he has commanded all adulterers to be punished, how much more must the Lord abhor your spiritual adultery, on account of which you were and are to be fled. We Christians could not have come to an agreement with apostates, when we find that the Holy Spirit said through Moses: "God will open for you the heavenly treasure, will give you the best rain for your land, in due time will bless all the work of your hands, you will lend to many nations but will not borrow, and you will fight many nations but they will not overcome you, the Lord your God will set you at the head and not at the tail, and you will be above and not below, if you heed the commandment of your Lord God, whatever I command you today to keep and to do, and not to depart from any word which I command you today, to the right or to the left.
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quomodo cum pseudoepiscopis sectae tuae Arrianis nobis poterat conuenire, quando uideas non nos benedictos esse potuisse, nisi quia non abierimus post idololatriam tuam, nisi quia execrati fuerimus haeresim uestram Arrianorum, sicuti et omnium execramur haereticorum, nisi quia tales uos iudicauerimus atque habeamus quales et ethnicos, cultores uidelicet omnium daemonum, nisi quia sic te fuerimus abominantes quomodo et Iudaeos, qui inueniuntur esse sine deo, ex quo unicum negauerint filium dei ? apud Hiesum Naue, at ubi audiuit, inquit, populus uocem tubarum, iubilauit uniuersus populus iubilo magno, et ceciderunt uniuersi muri ciuitatis in circuitu, et ascendit uniuersus populus in ciuitatem unusquisque coram aduersariis suis et inuaserunt ciuitatem et anathematizauerunt eam et quaecumque erant in ciuitate, a uiro usque ad mulierem, a iuuene usque ad senem et usque ad uitulum et usque ad subiunctorium occiderunt in ore gladii, et duobus iuuenibus qui explorauerant dixit Hiesus: introite in domum mulieris et producite eam et quaecumque sunt eius.
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How could it be possible for us to come together with the pseudo-bishops of your Arian sect, when you see that we could not have been blessed, except because we did not go after your idolatry, except because we execrated your Arian heresy, just as we execrate the heresy of all heretics, except because we have judged you and hold you to be just like the pagans, that is, worshippers of all demons, except because we have abominated you just as we do the Jews, who are found to be without God, from the moment they denied the only Son of God? In Joshua son of Nun, when the people heard the sound of the trumpets, it says, the whole people shouted with a great shout, and all the walls of the city fell down around, and the whole people went up into the city, each one before his own adversaries, and they invaded the city and placed it under anathema, and everything that was in the city, from man to woman, from youth to old man, and even to the calf and to the beast of burden, they slew with the edge of the sword; and to the two young men who had spied, Joshua said: go into the house of the woman and bring out her and all that is hers.
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et introierunt duo iuuenes, qui explorauerant ciuitatem, in domum mulieris et eduxerunt Raab meretricem et patrem eius et matrem et fratres eius et quaecumque erant illius et omnem cognationem eius, et deduxerunt eam foras extra castra Israel, et ciuitas incensa est igni cum omnibus quae erant in ea, et infra: Raab meretricem et omnem domum patris eius uiuificauit Hiesus, et commorata est in Israel usque in hodiernum diem. quando igitur uideas omnes in ciuitate Hiericho inhabitantes ore punitos gladii, omnem incensam ciuitatem, quomodo putasti nos potuisse tecum conuenire cum haeretico, quandoquidem plus te atque tuos dignos esse anathema, quam illi fuerant, aduerteremus? quomodo potueramus cum pseudoepiscopis sectae tuae conuenire Arrianis, quando uideas nullum ad uitam reseruatum in ciuitate in qua idololatres morabantur nisi tantum Raab, propterea quod crederet esse dominum nostrum totum potentem, idololatriam uero, in qua confidebat populus in Hiericho constitutus, quod fuisset errore inuenta humano ?
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and two young men, who had scouted the city, entered the house of the woman and brought out Rahab the harlot and her father and her mother and her brothers and whatever was hers and all her kindred, and led her forth outside the camp of Israel, and the city was burned with fire together with all that was in it, and further: Rahab the harlot and her entire father’s house did Joshua save alive, and she dwelt in Israel unto this day. When, therefore, you see that all the inhabitants in the city of Jericho were punished by the edge of the sword, the entire city burned, how did you think that we could have come together with you as a heretic, especially since we perceived that you and yours were more worthy of anathema than those had been? How could we have been able to come together with the pseudo-bishops of your Arian sect, when you see that no one was preserved for life in the city in which idolaters dwelt except only Rahab, for the reason that she believed our Lord to be all-powerful, but that the idolatry in which the people settled in Jericho trusted had been discovered by human error?
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Quomodo potueramus uobiscum conuenire, quando in Regnorum tertio scriptum sit libro nec domos uestras esse calcandas nec cibos uobiscum sumendos neque aquam accipiendam a uobis? haec ita esse aperit sacra scriptura: et factum est, dicit de illo coapostata tuo, uerbum hominis dei, et infra: et extendit manum suam ad aram dicens: adprehendite eum, et arida facta est manus regis, quam extendit in eum, et non potuit reducere eam ad se, et sacrarium ruptum est et effusa est pinguedo eius a sacrario secundum quod dixit homo dei in uerbo domini. et respondit rex et dixit homini dei: roga a facie domini dei tui, ut reuertatur manus mea ad me. et rogauit homo dei faciem domini, et reuersa est manus regis ad eum, et facta est quemadmodum primum, et locutus est rex ad hominem dei et dixit: intra mecum in domum et prande, et dabo tibi munera. et dixit homo dei ad regem: nec si mihi dimidiam domum tuam, non intrabo tecum nec manducabo panem nec bibam aquam in hoc loco, quoniam sic praecepit mihi dominus in uerbo dicens: non manducabis panem et non bibes aquam, et non reuerteris in uia qua iueris in ea. quomodo uobiscum poteramus conuenire ad deum adorandum, cum iste homo dei qui a deo obiurgandum Hieroboam regem fuerat missus quoniam per illum, qui dictus est propheta, circumscriptus fuerit, tam grauis circa illum uindicta processerit?
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How could we have been able to convene with you, when it is written in the third book of Kings that neither are your houses to be trodden nor food to be taken with you nor water to be received from you? That these things are so, sacred scripture reveals: "And it happened," it says concerning that co-apostate of yours, the word of the man of God, and further on: "And he stretched out his hand toward the altar, saying: 'Seize him,' and the hand of the king, which he stretched out against him, became withered, and he could not draw it back to himself, and the sanctuary was broken open, and its fat was poured out from the sanctuary, according to what the man of God said in the word of the Lord. And the king answered and said to the man of God: 'Pray before the face of your Lord God, that my hand may return to me.' And the man of God prayed before the face of the Lord, and the king's hand returned to him, and it became as it was at first, and the king spoke to the man of God and said: 'Come in with me into the house and dine, and I will give you gifts.' And the man of God said to the king: 'Not even if you gave me half your house, would I enter with you, nor eat bread, nor drink water in this place, because the Lord has thus commanded me in the word, saying: "You shall not eat bread and you shall not drink water, and you shall not return by the way by which you went into it."'" How could we have been able to convene with you for the worship of God, when that man of God, who had been sent by God to rebuke King Jeroboam because through him, who was called a prophet, he had been circumscribed, such a severe punishment proceeded against him?
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et abiit, inquit post haec scriptura de illo homine dei, per aliam uiam et non est reuersus per uiam quam uenerat in Bethel, et uenerunt filii eius et nuntiauerunt ei omnia opera quae fecerat homo dei die illo in Bethel et uerba quae locutus est regi, et auerterunt faciem patris sui, et locutus est ad eos pater eorum dicens: qua uia abiit? et demonstrauerunt filii eius uiam per quam ierat homo dei qui uenerat ex Iuda, et dixit filiis suis: sternite mihi asinam; et strauerunt ei, et ascendit super illam et abiit post hominem dei et inuenit eum sedentem sub arbore ilicis et dixit ei: si tu es homo dei qui uenisti ex Iuda? et dixit: ego sum. et dixit ei: ueni mecum et manduca panem; et dixit: non possum reuerti tecum neque manducare panem neque bibere aquam in hoc loco, quoniam sic praecepit mihi in uerbo dominus dicens: non manducabis panem ibi et non bibes aquam ibi et non reuerteris inde per uiam quam ieris. et dixit ad eum: et ego prophetes sum sicuti et tu, et angelus locutus est ad me in uerbo domini dicens: reduc eum ad te in domum tuam et manducet panem et bibat aquam.
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And it went away, says the scripture after this of that man of God, by another road and did not return by the road by which he had come to Bethel, and his sons came and told him all the works which the man of God had done that day in Bethel and the words which he had spoken to the king, and they turned away the face of their father, and their father spoke to them saying: by which road did he go? And his sons showed the road by which the man of God who had come from Judah had gone, and he said to his sons: saddle the donkey for me; and they saddled it, and he mounted it and went after the man of God and found him sitting under an oak tree and said to him: are you the man of God who came from Judah? And he said: I am. And he said to him: come with me and eat bread; and he said: I cannot return with you nor eat bread nor drink water in this place, because the Lord commanded me thus in a word saying: you shall not eat bread there and you shall not drink water there and you shall not return from there by the road by which you went. And he said to him: and I am a prophet just as you are, and an angel spoke to me in the word of the Lord saying: bring him back to you into your house and let him eat bread and drink water.
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et mentitus est illi et reduxit eum, et manducauit panem in domo eius et bibit aquam, et factum est sedentibus illis ad mensam uerbum domini ad pseudoprophetam qui reduxit eum, et dixit ad hominem dei qui uenerat ex Iuda dicens: haec dicit dominus propter quod exacerbasti uerbum domini et non custodisti praeceptum quod praecepit tibi dominus deus tuus, et redisti et manducasti panem et bibisti aquam in hoc loco, de quo locutus est ad te dicens : non manducabis panem neque bibes aquam; ideo non intrabit corpus tuum in monumentum patrum tuorum. et factum est, postquam manducauit panem et bibit aquam, et strauerunt ei asinam et reuersus est et abiit, et inuenit eum leo in uia et occidit eum, et erat corpus eius proiectum in uia, et asina stabat ad eum et leo stabat ad corpus ipsius, et uenerunt uiri ciuitatis illius et locuti sunt in ciuitate ubi prophetes senior habitabat in illa, et cum audissent qui reduxerant eum de uia, dixit: hic est homo dei qui exacerbauit uerbum domini; et abiit et inuenit corpus eius proiectum in uia. et asina et leo stabat super corpus, eius et leo non edit corpus illius neque insiluit in asinam.
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And he lied to him and led him back, and he ate bread in his house and drank water, and it happened while they were sitting at table that the word of the Lord came to the false prophet who had led him back, and he said to the man of God who had come from Judah: Thus says the Lord, because you have scorned the word of the Lord and did not keep the commandment which the Lord your God commanded you, and you returned and ate bread and drank water in this place, concerning which he spoke to you, saying: You shall not eat bread nor drink water; therefore your body shall not enter the tomb of your fathers. And it happened, after he ate bread and drank water, they saddled a donkey for him and he returned and went away, and a lion met him on the road and killed him, and his body lay cast out on the road, and the donkey stood by him and the lion stood by his body, and the men of that city came and spoke in the city where the elder prophet lived, and when those who had led him back from the road heard, he said: This is the man of God who scorned the word of the Lord; and he went and found his body cast out on the road. And the donkey and the lion stood over his body, and the lion did not eat that body nor did it attack the donkey.
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si illi hoc repraesentatum est, cur manducasset panem et potum sumpsisset aquae in loco profano apud homines alienigenas, quid nobis repraesentatum fuisset, si tecum, quem scimus haereticum, quem nouimus esse negatorem unici filii dei, ut desiderabas, copulassemus amicitias, si uobiscum Arrianis precem fudissemus, si denique passi nos fuissemus omnia quae celebramus domini sacerdotes cum pseudoepiscopis Arrianis tuis celebrare? interea sic te fuisse ad nos circumscribendos inmissum, ut ad illum dei hominem fuerit ille pseudoprophetes, debes repetens actus tuos cognoscere amarissimos; ut enim ille cum fuisset pseudopropheta, prophetam se esse dicebat ad circumueniendum innocentem, ita et tu cum non sis Christianus, sed sis Arrianus, finxisti te Christianum ad nos inretiendos. deinde cum pacem semper habuerit domini ecclesia et uos atque omnium sectarum haereticos foras abiecerit, dixisti: pacem uolo firmari in meo imperio, cupiens uiolare in nobis pacem dominicam, scindere desiderans dei populum, procurans haeresi tuae, ad quam nos omnes facere sis optans transitum; sic mentitus es dei te fuisse hominem, quando hanc pacem facere te salutis nostrae causa dixisti, quomodo et ille pseudoprophetes qui dicebat: redi mecum, quia et ego prophetes sum domini, et dixit mihi angelus.
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If that was revealed to him, why would he have eaten bread and drunk water in a profane place among alien men? What would have been revealed to us, if we had joined in friendship with you, whom we know to be a heretic, whom we know to be a denier of the only Son of God, as you desired; if we had poured forth prayer with you Arians; if, finally, we had allowed ourselves, we who are priests of the Lord, to celebrate everything with your Arian pseudo-bishops? Meanwhile, that you were sent to ensnare us, just as that false prophet was sent to that man of God, you must, by retracing your actions, recognize as most bitter. For just as he, being a false prophet, said he was a prophet in order to deceive an innocent man, so also you, since you are not a Christian but are an Arian, pretended to be a Christian in order to entrap us. Then, since the Church of the Lord has always had peace and has cast out you heretics of all sects, you said: "I wish peace to be established in my reign," desiring to violate the Lord's peace in us, wishing to divide the people of God, procuring for your heresy, to which you desire us all to make a transition; thus you lied that you were a man of God, when you said you were making this peace for the sake of our salvation, just as that false prophet who said: "Return with me, for I too am a prophet of the Lord, and an angel told me.
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sic, inquam, mentitus es, quando dixisti quo potuisses deo placere hoc te adgressum facere, siquidem tu singulos catholicos episcopos communioni iungere fueris laborans Arrianorum.
Quomodo tecum ac cum tuis coarrianis potuit conuenire Christianis, quando ad Iosaphat regem deum haec dixisse cernas, cur Achab idololatrem in amicitias acceperit, cur ad bellum cum domini processerit inimico? posteaquam etenim ille Achab consacrilegus tuus secundum uerbum dei fuisset in bello letali percussus plaga et Iosaphat, quia ex toto corde, ad deum proclamauerat, fuisset domui suae repraesentatus, loquitur scriptura sancta exisse ante faciem eius Ieu filium Anani, qui fuerit uidens, atque dixisse talia: si peccatorem illum adiuuis et eorum qui oderunt dominum amicus es, in hoc super te irae a facie domini, sed sermones boni inuenti sunt tecum, quoniam abstulisti lucos de terra et parasti cor tuum ad requirendum dominum. si illi haec dicuntur, quae nobis dicerentur, si tecum cum haeretico dei aduersario amici esse maluissemus? aut numquid dicere audebis: ego non sum dei inimicus, ita ut fuit Achab rex Israel? quomodo non es inimicus. qui eadem agas quae egit Achab? cum sic sis inpugnans religionem dei, sicut ille inpugnauerit, sic persequaris domum eius, sicut ille persecutus sit.
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Thus, I say, you lied when you claimed that you could please God by undertaking this, since you labored to join individual Catholic bishops to the communion of the Arians.
How could Christians have fellowship with you and your fellow Arians, when you see that God said this to King Jehoshaphat: why did he accept the idolater Ahab into friendship, why did he go to war with the enemy of the Lord? For after that Ahab, your fellow sacrilegist, had been struck with a fatal blow in war according to the word of God, and Jehoshaphat, because he had cried out to God with his whole heart, had been restored to his house, the Holy Scripture speaks of Jehu son of Hanani, who was a seer, having gone out before his face and said these things: "If you helped that sinner and are a friend of those who hate the Lord, wrath from the face of the Lord is upon you for this; but good words are found with you, because you removed the groves from the land and prepared your heart to seek the Lord." If these things are said to him, what would be said to us, if we had preferred to be friends with you, a heretic and adversary of God? Or will you dare to say: "I am not an enemy of God, as Ahab king of Israel was"? How are you not an enemy, you who do the same things that Ahab did? Since you assail the religion of God just as he assailed it, you persecute his house just as he persecuted it.
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quomodo tecum ac cum tuis potuit nobis conuenire, cum isti deo deuoto regi, cur Ochoziae regi Israel iunctus fuisset in amicitiis, fuerit per prophetam increpitum a deo? et iunxit, inquit, amicitiam Iosaphat rex Iuda cum Ochozia rege Israel, ipse inique coepit facere et communicauit eum secum ut faceret naues, quibus iret in Tharsis. et fecit naues in Asion Gaber, et prophetauit Elieser filius Oziae ex Marea super Iosaphat dicens : • in eo, quod communicasti Ochoziae, confregit dominus operam tuam, et contritae sunt naues tuae et non poterunt ire Tharsis. si illi illa dicuntur a domino, quod ad fabricam nauium socium habuisset uiae perditionis regem, quid nobis dici posset, si te destructorem domus eius, te catholicae fidei persecutorem amicum dei sacerdotes haberemus? si illius operam confregit, cur iniquo fuisset iunctus, uero nos iam ipsi fulmine fuissemus credo dissipati, cur tibi blasphemo nosmet iunxissemus. quomodo potueramus nos, cum simus serui dei, uos uero serui diaboli, in unum conuenire, quando sic inter nos et uos separatum esse uoluerit deus, quomodo inter lumen et tenebras, inter uitam et mortem, inter dulce et amarum, quomodo inter sanctos angelos dei qui sunt semper clementiam eius magnificantes et inter illos apostatas quos in aeternum tecum uisurus eris torqueri, nisi temet eripueris ab eis? quomodo, inquam, nos.
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How could we have fellowship with you and yours, when that king devoted to God, Jehoshaphat, because he had been joined in friendship with Ahaziah king of Israel, was rebuked by God through the prophet? And it says: Jehoshaphat king of Judah joined in friendship with Ahaziah king of Israel; he himself began to act wickedly and brought him into communion with himself to make ships, with which he would go to Tarshish. And he made ships at Ezion-geber, and Eliezer son of Dodavahu from Mareshah prophesied against Jehoshaphat, saying: Because you had communion with Ahaziah, the Lord has broken your work, and your ships have been wrecked and could not go to Tarshish. If such things are said to him by the Lord because he had as a partner in shipbuilding a king of the way of perdition, what could be said to us, if we, priests of God, had you as a friend, you the destroyer of his house, you the persecutor of the catholic faith? If the Lord broke his work because he was joined to a wicked man, truly we ourselves would, I believe, have been scattered by lightning, had we joined ourselves to you, a blasphemer. How could we, who are servants of God, while you are servants of the devil, come together into one, when God has willed that there be as great a separation between us and you as between light and darkness, between life and death, between sweet and bitter, as between the holy angels of God, who are always magnifying his mercy, and those apostates whom you will see tormented in eternity with you, unless you snatch yourself away from them? How, I say, could we?
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uobiscum esse potueramus dei serui cum seruis antichristi? quando Amasiae regi fuerit dictum a deo in secundo Subrelictorum libro: non ibit tecum exercitus Israel, quia non deus cum Israel, omnes filii Ephrem, quia si te existimaueris praeualere in istis, in fugam conuertet te dominus ante inimicos, quia est uirtus a domino. quonam modo resisteremus contra diabolum, si in tanto scelere uestro curreremus uobiscum cum hostibus dei, cum hominibus inuentis sine notitia dei, cum deum non habentibus, in quos cateruam sciamus esse daemonum? neque enim potestis uos esse negatores unici filii dei sine daemoniis, cum blasphemare uos non faciant nisi illi qui uestra caecauerint corda, ne uidelicet possit a uobis ueritas conprehendi.
Numquidnam potueramus in uestra demorari parte, consentire uestris flagitiosissimis meditationibus, cum per Dauid gloriosum dicat spiritus sanctus non esse beatos nisi eos qui se abstraxerint a uobis unici filii dei negatoribus, eos qui serpentinis cogitationibus uestris non se miscuerint beatos tantum mansuros? beatus qui non abiit in consilio impiorum et in uia peccatorum non stetit et in cathedra pestilentiae non sedit. quomodo esset uobis et nobis unius loci conuentioulum? cum audias item Dauid dicere in psalmo sexto: discedite a Me, qui operamini iniquitatem.
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How could we, servants of God, have been with you, servants of Antichrist? When it was said to King Amaziah by God in the second book of the Subrelicti: "The army of Israel will not go with you, because God is not with Israel, all the sons of Ephrem, because if you think you will prevail in these things, the Lord will turn you in flight before your enemies, because strength is from the Lord." In what way would we resist against the devil, if we were to run with you in such great wickedness of yours, with the enemies of God, with men found without knowledge of God, with those who do not have God, into whom we know the swarm of demons to be? For you cannot be deniers of the only Son of God without demons, since those who have blinded your hearts do not make you blaspheme except so that truth cannot be grasped by you.
Could we have remained in your party, consented to your most shameful meditations, when through glorious David the Holy Spirit says that only those are blessed who have withdrawn themselves from you, deniers of the only Son of God, that only those who have not mixed themselves with your serpentine thoughts will remain blessed? "Blessed is he who has not gone into the counsel of the impious and has not stood in the way of sinners and has not sat in the chair of pestilence." How would there be a meeting-place of one location for you and us? When you also hear David saying in the sixth psalm: "Depart from me, you who work iniquity.
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si non operamini Arriani iniquitatem, iudica tu princeps in sacrilegio Arrianorum, qui cum dicamus nos Christianos., horribili animositate persequeris. recte igitur scias nos fecisse recedendo a nobis deo odibilibus. quomodo etenim nos in coetu uestro omnibus facinoribus infecto manere et non uos pestes ac lues fugere decuerat? cum dicat ex persona populi nostri in uicesimo quinto psalmo: quoniam misericordia tua ante oculos meos est, et conplacui in ueritate tua. non sedi in concilio uanitatis et cum iniqua gerentibus non introibo, odiui ecclesiam malignantium et cum impiis non sedebo. si non est concilium uestrum uanitatis, conuince me. non est uanum concilium, in quo omne consilium non est, nisi ut dei negetur filius, ut deus pater non esse uerus pater defendatur, ut spiritus sanctus paracletus non esse uerus dei spiritus adseueretur, ut apostolica atque euangelica traditio destruatur, ut traditio Arrii firmetur? in quo concilio nihil aliud firmatur, nisi quod omnibus haereticis et ethnicis atque Iudaeis possit laetitiam conquirere magnam; gaudent cuncti dei religionis execratores, quod enim te uideant imperatorem uoti sui rem exequentem, quod enim te extitisse unici filii dei negatorem et eius seruorum aduertant persecutorem.
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If you Arians do not work iniquity, judge yourself, O prince, in the sacrilege of the Arians, who, although we call ourselves Christians, persecute us with horrible animosity. Therefore, know rightly that we have done well by withdrawing from you, who are hateful to God. For how would it have been fitting for us to remain in your assembly, infected with every crime, and not to flee from you as plagues and pestilences? As it is said from the person of our people in the twenty-fifth psalm: "For your mercy is before my eyes, and I have taken pleasure in your truth. I have not sat in the council of vanity, and I will not enter with those who do iniquitous things; I have hated the church of the malignant, and I will not sit with the impious." If your council is not one of vanity, convince me. It is not a vain council in which there is no counsel except to deny the Son of God, to defend that God the Father is not the true Father, to assert that the Holy Spirit the Paraclete is not the true Spirit of God, to destroy the apostolic and evangelical tradition, and to establish the tradition of Arius. In which council nothing else is established except what can bring great joy to all heretics, pagans, and Jews; all the despisers of the religion of God rejoice that they see you, the emperor, carrying out the work of their desire, that they perceive you to have become the denier of the only Son of God and the persecutor of his servants.
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hoc est concilium quod magnopere omnibus uiribus imperii tui solitus es adunare, ad hoc utique ut omnis auctoritas scripturarum sacrarum tui imperii auctoritate soluatur, ut omnis sepeliri possit ueritas, ut mendacia detestandae commentationis uestrae possint uideri uera. haec sunt meditationis uestrae in illo egregio concilio per tuam adunato potentiam. propterea odis nos, quia concilium uestrum malignantium exsecremur, propterea in exilio sumus, propterea in carcere necamur, propterea nobis solis prohibetur conspectus; idcirco reclusi in tenebras custodimur ingenti custodia. huius rei causa nullus ad nos uisendos admittitur hominum, quia uidelicet noluerimus uobiscum impiis sacrilegis ullam scelerum uestrorum habere societatem, uobiscum de quibus ex nostra persona directa est obsecratio ad deum, ne scilicet uobiscum degentes simul periremus, sed fuissemus segregati de uestro nefario concilio, de uestra iniqua conspiratione. ait enim in uicesimo septimo psalmo: exaudi, domine, uocem deprecationis meae, cum oro ad te, cum extollo manus meas ad templum sanctum tuum, ne simul trahas cum peccatoribus animam meam et cum operantibus iniquitatem ne perdas me, cum his qui locuntur pacem cum proximo suo, mala autem sunt in cordibus eorum.
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This is the council which you have been accustomed to assemble with all the forces of your empire, for this purpose above all: that every authority of the sacred scriptures might be dissolved by the authority of your empire, that all truth might be buried, that the lies of your detestable fabrication might be able to appear true. These are the fruits of your meditation in that illustrious council assembled by your power. For this reason you hate us, because we abhor your council of evildoers; for this reason we are in exile; for this reason we are killed in prison; for this reason the sight of us alone is forbidden; for this reason we are confined in darkness, guarded by a vast watch. For this cause no man is admitted to visit us, because we have refused to have any fellowship with you impious sacrilegious men in your crimes, with you to whom from our person a supplication has been directed to God, that we might not perish living together with you, but that we might be separated from your nefarious council, from your iniquitous conspiracy. For it is said in the twenty-seventh psalm: "Hear, O Lord, the voice of my supplication, when I pray to you, when I lift up my hands to your holy temple, do not draw my soul together with sinners, and do not destroy me with those who work iniquity, with those who speak peace with their neighbor, but are evil in their hearts.
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da illis secundum opera illorum et secundum nequitiam studiorum ipsorum, secundum operationem ipsorum manuum tribue illis, redde retributionem eorum ipsis. propterea odimur a te, Constanti, quoniam noluerimus haec dici de nobis, quae dicantur ore prophetae de te ac tuis propter nequam uestram operam, quae , dicantur de Iudaeis quorum imitator extiteris. si non es tu Constantius imperator, qui finxeris pacem te facere, ut fuerunt mala cogitamenta, nisi ut dei negatus fuisset filius, nisi ut apostolica atque euangelica fides fuisset destructa, aedificata uero fuisset Arriana haeresis uestra, nisi ut omnes tibi non adquiescentes fuissent deportati, proscripti, uarie excarnificati, ad ultimum interfecti? et idcirco spiritus sanctus te ac tuos designans pariter ac percutiens dicit ex persona populi nostri: cum operantibus iniquitatem ne perdas me, cum his qui locuntur pacem cum proximo suo, mala autem sunt in corde eorum. nobis dicebas: pacem uolo fieri, et in corde tuo manens aduersarius religionis nostrae cogitabat' per te facere nos idololatres; unde et uere recepturus eris secundum operam tuam, secundum nequitiam studiorum uestrorum, nisi tibi feceris esse prospectum.
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Give to them according to their works and according to the wickedness of their pursuits, according to the work of their hands assign to them, render their reward to them themselves. Therefore we are hated by you, Constantius, because we have been unwilling that these things be said of us which are said by the mouth of the prophet concerning you and yours on account of your evil labor, which are said concerning the Jews, whose imitator you have become. Are you not the emperor Constantius, who pretended to make peace, as your evil designs were, except that the Son of God might be denied, except that the apostolic and evangelical faith might be destroyed, while your Arian heresy might be built up, except that all not acquiescing to you might be deported, proscribed, variously tortured, and finally killed? And for that reason the Holy Spirit, designating and at the same time striking you and yours, says from the person of our people: with those working iniquity do not destroy me, with those who speak peace with their neighbor, but evil is in their heart. You said to us: I wish peace to be made, and in your heart, remaining an adversary of our religion, you plotted to make us idolaters through you; whence you will truly receive according to your work, according to the wickedness of your pursuits, unless you have provided for yourself.
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uitauimus ac sumus uitantes consilium uestrum, quod contra deum factum est ac fit, quorum tunc iam uidens meditationes spiritus sanctus dixerit ore Dauid in tricesimo secundo psalmo: dominus dissipauit consilia gentium., reprobat autem cogitationes populorum et reprobat consilia principum. consilia uero uestra contra suam prolata ecclesiam reprobat deus; nec enim potest odire populum suum, hereditatem suam, et amare uos filios pestilentiae, uos persecutores seruorum suorum.
Dixisti: facite pacem cum episcopis sectae meae Arrianis, et estote in unum ; et dicit dei spiritus per Salomonem in Prouerbiis: uias impiorum noli, noli exequi neque aemuleris uiam iniquorum, in quocumque loco exercitum constituerint, ne superuenias illuc. declina autem ab ea et demuta; non enim dormient, nisi male fecerint; ablatus est enim somnus ab eis, et non dormiunt. hi enim cibantur cibis impietatis, uino autem iniquo inebriantur. nam uiae iustorum similiter ut lux fulgebunt, procedunt et inluminant, donec corrigat dies. uiae autem impiorum tenebrosae, nesciunt quomodo offendunt. quomodo uobiscum Arrianis societatem poteramus habere, cum adulteris spiritalibus?
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We have avoided and are avoiding your counsel, which was and is made against God; whose meditations the Holy Spirit, already then foreseeing, spoke through the mouth of David in the thirty-second psalm: The Lord has scattered the counsels of the nations. For he rejects the thoughts of the peoples and rejects the counsels of the princes. But God rejects your counsels brought forth against his Church; for he cannot hate his people, his inheritance, and love you, sons of pestilence, you persecutors of his servants.
You said: Make peace with the bishops of my sect, the Arians, and be united; and the Spirit of God says through Solomon in Proverbs: Do not follow the ways of the impious, do not pursue nor emulate the path of the wicked; in whatever place they have set up an army, do not go there. But turn away from it and change; for they do not sleep unless they have done evil; sleep has been taken from them, and they do not sleep. For they are fed on the foods of impiety, and are drunk with the wine of iniquity. For the ways of the just will shine like light, they proceed and illuminate, until the day corrects. But the ways of the impious are dark; they do not know how they stumble. How could we have fellowship with you Arians, with spiritual adulterers?
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qui scriptum retineamus: noli te intendere fallaci mulieri; mel enim distillat a labiis mulieris meretricis, quae ad tempus inpinguat fauces tuas, nouissime autem amarius fdle inuenies et acutius magis quam gladius ex utraque parte acutus; insipientes autem pedes deducunt utentes ea cum morte ad inferos. sed quid dicis haec propter carnis adulteria dicta? si propter carnis adulteria esse adstruis haec dicta, quanto magis fugiendi uos estis spiritales adulteri, ne per Arrianam haeresim uestram meretricem spiritalem haec super nos quae dicuntur ueniant? dulce etenim quibusdam uidetur quod tibi regi in amicitias iungantur suscipiendo haeresim tuam, sed amarius felle sensuri, cum tecum torqueri in perpetuum coeperint in perpetua gehenna sentire qui tecum esse delegerunt, tunc dicturi: uae nobis qui Constantium imperatorem deo praeposuerimus. conuenire nobis et uobis quomodo potuerat? cum infra dicat adhuc Salomon: eice de consilio pestilentiam, et exiet cum illo contentio, et: ne imitatus fueris malos uiros neque desideres esse cum illis; falsa enim meditatur cor eorum, et dolores labia eorum locuntur, et: noli adplicare impium ad pascua iusti, neque seducaris saturitate uentris. septies enim cadit iustus et resurget, impii autem infirmabuntur in malis.
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We who keep the scripture: Do not entangle yourself with a deceitful woman; honey drips from the lips of a harlot, which for a time greases your throat, but in the end you will find it more bitter than gall and sharper than a sword sharp on both sides; but the foolish feet lead those who use her, together with death, down to the underworld. But do you say that these things were said on account of carnal adulteries? If you maintain that these things were said on account of carnal adulteries, how much more are you to be fled, spiritual adulterers, lest through your Arian heresy, a spiritual harlot, these things which are said come upon us? For it seems sweet to some that they join in friendship with you, the king, by accepting your heresy, but they will feel it more bitter than gall, when they begin to be tormented with you forever in perpetual gehenna, those who have chosen to be with you will then say: Woe to us who preferred the emperor Constantius to God. How could we have associated with you? When Solomon further says: Cast out pestilence from the council, and contention will go out with it, and: Do not imitate evil men nor desire to be with them; for their heart meditates falsehood, and their lips speak sorrows, and: Do not join the impious to the pasture of the just, nor be seduced by the fullness of the belly. For the just man falls seven times and rises again, but the impious will be weakened in their evils.
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Cum superbis et praeuaricatoribus, cum eis qui uolueritis cum Iuda Scarioth inueniri quam cum beatissimis prophetis apostolis atque martyribus quomodo esse possumus? cum audiam in centesimo psalmo: deambulabam in innocentia cordis mei in media domo tua. non proponebam ante oculos meos rem malam, facientes praeuaricationes odiui, non adhaesit mihi cor prauum, declinantes a me malignos non agnoscebam; detrahentem aduersus proximos suos occulte, eum persequebar; superbo oculo et insatiabili corde, cum hoc simul non edebam, et in psalmo centesimo octauo decimo: iniquos odio habui et legem tuam dilexi. cum sitis iniqui, quippe negatores unici filii dei, cum odiri uos oporteat a nobis, propterea quod uiam ueritatis relinquentes conprehenderitis omnium errorum, propterea quod relinquentes lumen ire delegeritis in exteriores tenebras, quomodo tibi capiti nefando, tibi dei domus destructori, omnium iniquitatem operantium fomiti, potueramus esse carissimi ? quomodo familiares amici, ut sunt Valens, Vrsacius, Epictetus, Saturninus et ceteri? e quo numero tamenetsi uiderint in quam inciderint foueam, certi tamen tecum deligerent interire, dummodo regni tui inanem pulchritudinem una perfruantur tecum. nos quomodo tecum esse potueramus, qui ista quae illi tecum frui elegerunt habeamus exosa, homines qui ad illa consequenda tendamus quae sunt in perpetuum mansura?
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With the proud and the prevaricators, with those who would rather be found with Judas Iscariot than with the most blessed prophets, apostles, and martyrs, how can we be? When I hear in the hundredth psalm: "I walked in the innocence of my heart in the midst of your house. I did not set before my eyes an evil thing; I hated those who commit prevarications; a perverse heart did not cleave to me; I did not acknowledge the malignant who turn away from me; I pursued the one who secretly slanders his neighbors; with a proud eye and an insatiable heart, I did not eat with this one," and in the hundred and eighteenth psalm: "I held the iniquitous in hatred and I loved your law." Since you are iniquitous, indeed deniers of the only Son of God, since you ought to be hated by us, because you have abandoned the way of truth and have seized upon all errors, because you have abandoned the light and have chosen to go into the outer darkness, how could we have been most dear to you, O nefarious head, O destroyer of the house of God, O tinder of all who work iniquity? How could we have been intimate friends, as are Valens, Ursacius, Epictetus, Saturninus, and the rest? From which number, even if they have seen into what pit they have fallen, they would nevertheless choose to perish with you, provided they enjoy with you the empty splendor of your kingdom. How could we have been with you, we who hold in abomination those things which they have chosen to enjoy with you, men who strive to attain those things which are to endure forever?
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qua de re nobis ac uobis non conuenit? nempe quia noluerimus suscipere haeresim tuam, nempe quia Christiani noluerimus effici Arriani. quis est autem nisi qui sit, ut uos estis Arriani, inpos mentis, qui derelinquat domum dei et eat ad diaboli monumentum?
Idcirco autem apud te odio laboramus, quia fuerimus metuentes atque sumus, ne illa fuissent dicta de nobis quae sunt dicta de illis desertoribus, hoc est Iudaeis quos incusat Hieremias dicens: audite uerbum domini, domus Iacob et omnis domus Israel. haec dicit dominus: quid inuenerunt in me patres uestri contumaciae, quod recesserunt longe a me et abierunt post superuacua, et frustrati sunt et non dixerunt: ubi est deus qui liberauit nos de terra Aegypti, qui eduxit nos ducatum praebens in deserto in terra inculta et ignota et in terra sine aqua et sine fructu, in terra in qua nemo commeauit uir neque commoratus est ibi filius hominis, et induxit uos in Carmelum, ut manducaretis fructum eius et bona eius, et intrastis et coinquinastis terram, et hereditatem meam posuistis in exterminationem; sacerdotes non dixerunt: ubi est dominus, et seniores legis meae nescierunt me, et pastores impie egerunt in me, et prophetae prophetauerunt in Baal, et post inutilia abierunt. noluimus haec audire opprobria, unde et fugiendum diximus te ac tuos.
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On what matter, then, does it not agree between us and you? Surely because we have been unwilling to accept your heresy, surely because we have been unwilling, as Christians, to become Arians. For who is there, except one who is, as you are Arians, out of his mind, who would abandon the house of God and go to the devil's monument?
For this reason, moreover, we suffer hatred at your hands, because we have been afraid and are afraid, lest those things had been said about us which are said about those deserters, that is, the Jews whom Jeremiah accuses, saying: "Hear the word of the Lord, house of Jacob and all the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord: What did your fathers find in me of contumacy, that they withdrew far from me and went after vain things, and were frustrated and did not say: Where is the God who freed us from the land of Egypt, who led us, providing guidance in the desert, in an uncultivated and unknown land, and in a land without water and without fruit, in a land where no man traveled nor did a son of man dwell there, and brought you into Carmel, that you might eat its fruit and its goods, and you entered and defiled the land, and you put my inheritance to destruction; the priests did not say: Where is the Lord, and the elders of my law did not know me, and the shepherds acted impiously against me, and the prophets prophesied in Baal, and they went after useless things?" We have been unwilling to hear these reproaches, and therefore we have said that we must flee from you and yours.
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neque enim conuenire poterat dei domesticis uobiscum alienigenis, cum uideamus dictum a deo conperfido tuo illi populo carnali: auerte pedem tuum ab aspera uia et faucem tuam a siti. quae autem dixit: confortabor, quia dilexit exteros et post illos abibat. post uos ergo exteros, post uos allophilos non solum non ire uoluimus, sed et anathema uobis filiis pestilentiae ac tenebrarum diximus, ne si recessissemus ab apostolica atque euangelica fide derelinqueremusque uiam quam tenuerunt Abraham Isaac et Iacob beatissimi, Abel Enoch Noe et cuncti prophetae apostoli atque martyres, haec etiam dicta fuissent a deo de nobis, quae dicta sunt de conblasphemis tuis Iudaeis: quemadmodum confunditur fur, cum conprehensus fuerit, sic confundentur filii Israel ipsi et reges eorum et principes ipsorum et sacerdotes ipsorum et prophetae. noluimus esse ' inter uos, ne etiam illa increpatio uocis diuinae nos cum Iudaeis et uobiscum haereticis argueret: ut quid loquimini ad me; omnes uos impie egistis, et omnes uos deliquistis in me, dicit dominus.
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For it was not possible for the household servants of God to associate with you, aliens, since we see that it was said by God to that carnal people, your fellow-perfidious one: "Turn your foot from the rough path and your throat from thirst." And what he said: "I will take strength, because he loved outsiders and went after them." Therefore, after you outsiders, after you foreigners, we not only did not wish to go, but we also pronounced anathema upon you, sons of pestilence and darkness, lest if we had withdrawn from the apostolic and evangelical faith and abandoned the way which the most blessed Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Abel, Enoch, Noah, and all the prophets, apostles, and martyrs held, these things would also have been said by God about us, which were said about your fellow-blasphemers the Jews: "Just as a thief is confounded when he is caught, so the sons of Israel themselves and their kings and their princes and their priests and their prophets will be confounded." We did not wish to be among you, lest that reproach of the divine voice also accuse us along with the Jews and with you heretics: "Why do you speak to me? All of you have acted impiously, and all of you have sinned against me," says the Lord.
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Quomodo uobiscum nobis conuenire poterat? cum legeris scriptum in libro Machabaeorum primo: tunc congregati sunt ad eos eonuentus fortis in uiribus ab Israel, omnis uoluntarius in lege. et omnes qui fugiebant a malis additi sunt ad eos et facti sunt illis firmamentum. et constituerunt uirtutem, et percusserunt peccatores in ira sua et uiros iniquos in indignatione. et ceteri fugerunt ad nationes, ut se liberarent, et circuiuit Matathias et amici eius, et destruxerunt aras et circumciderunt pueros incircumcisos quotquot inuenerunt in finibus Israel in fortitudine, et persecuti sunt filios superbiae et prosperauit opus in manus eorum, et obtinuerunt legem de manibus gentium et regum, et non dederunt cornum peccatori . uobiscum nos esse potueramus, cum uideatis quid illis fecerint ex toto corde qui deum inueniuntur timuisse? tu dicis, membrum iam tunc exsectum de corpore beatae ecclesiae, quando Arrianus factus es ex Christiano: estote uobiscum . et dominus dicit in euangelio: quod si oculus tuus dexter scandalizat te, erue illum et proice abs te; expedit enim tibi ut pereat una pars membrorum tuorum, quam totum corpus tuum mittatur in gehennam. et si dextera manus tua scandalizat te, abscide illam et proice abs e; expedit enim tibi ut pereat una pars membrorum tuorum, quam totum corpus tuum eat in gehennam.
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How could we have fellowship with you, when you have read what is written in the first book of Maccabees: "Then a strong assembly in arms from Israel gathered to them, every volunteer in the law. And all who were fleeing from evils were added to them and became a support for them. And they set up a force, and struck down sinners in their anger and wicked men in their wrath. And the rest fled to the nations to save themselves, and Mattathias and his friends went around and destroyed the altars and circumcised the uncircumcised boys whomsoever they found within the borders of Israel by force, and they pursued the sons of pride, and the work prospered in their hands, and they recovered the law from the hands of the gentiles and kings, and they did not give a horn to the sinner"? Could we have been with you, when you see what those who are found to have feared God did with all their heart to them? You say, a member already then cut off from the body of the blessed church, when you became an Arian from a Christian: "Be with yourselves." And the Lord says in the Gospel: "But if your right eye scandalizes you, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is better for you that one part of your members perish than that your whole body be cast into gehenna. And if your right hand scandalizes you, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is better for you that one part of your members perish than that your whole body go into gehenna.
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secuisse se Arrium atque proiecisse secundum domini praecepta clamat ecclesia, et tu dicis: suscipite conpestilentes ac lues tuos; tu dicis: sinite uos eodem interire morbo, quo ego perierim. sic est de corpore ecclesiae excisus Sabellius, ut est et condetestabilis tuus excisus Arrius iste, cuius sermo ut cancer in te fortissime adeo serpserit, ut totus iam cancer esse cernaris; nec poteris dicere te non Arrii cancerasse sermonem, cum fetor cancerationis tuae ad omnem peruenerit regni tui locum et cuncti te uitare statuerimus, ne et ipsi peste tua Arriana canceraremur. sic, inquam, sectus est atque proiectus tuus magister Arrius, ut est sectus et reiectus Sabellius, qui fuerit ausus unam esse personam patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum defendere, quia fuerit ausus dicere ipsum sibi et patrem esse et filium et spiritum sanctum; excisus est, quia dicere non dubitarit, quod enim ipse pater in utero uirginis incarnatus sit et fuerit passus. sic Marcion se excisum proiecit, qui noluerit dei filium hominem suscepisse confiteri de utero uirginis et per hoc hominem factum. sic excisus est atque abiectus Paullus Samosatenus Photini magister e corpore ecclesiae, quia fuerit dicere dignatus hominem tantum dei filium.
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The church proclaims that Arius has been cut off and cast out according to the Lord’s precepts, and you say: receive your fellow plague-bearers and pestilences; you say: allow yourselves to perish by the same disease by which I have perished. Sabellius is cut off from the body of the church just as your detestable Arius is cut off, whose speech has crept into you so strongly like a cancer that you are now seen to be entirely cancer; nor can you say that you have not been cancered by Arius’s speech, since the stench of your cankering has reached every place of your realm and we have all decided to shun you, lest we too be cancered by your Arian plague. Thus, I say, your master Arius is cut and cast out, just as Sabellius is cut and rejected, who dared to defend that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one person, because he dared to say that he himself is both Father and Son and Holy Spirit; he was cut off because he did not hesitate to say that the Father himself was incarnate in the womb of the virgin and suffered. Thus Marcion cut himself off and cast himself out, who refused to confess that the Son of God assumed a human being from the womb of the virgin and through this became man. Thus Paul of Samosata, the teacher of Photinus, was cut off and cast out from the body of the church, because he deigned to say that the Son of God is merely a man.
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sic et cunctarum sectarum haeretici sunt praecisi, ut est Arrius praecisus utque tu, qui propterea, quod dicas de dei unico filio: factus est ex nihilo et non est uerus filius, erat quando non erat, exscindi merueris. exscisi igitur estis cuncti blasphemi atque reiecti uirtute dei de ecclesia eius clementiae, quia non fueritis in ea manentes fide, in qua manserint patriarchae prophetae apostoli ac martyres. homo excisus cum omnibus comblasphemis tuis e corpore sanctae ecclesiae, iacens in diaboli sentina, audes dicere ad eam: esto talis ut sum ego, quo possis tali confici morbo, quo sum et ipse consumptus. sic existimaueras nos potuisse uobiscum conuenire, tamquam non retineremus dixisse beatum Paullum: praecipimus autem uobis, fratres, in nomine domini nostri Iesu Christi, ut subtrahatis uos ab omni fratre inquiete ambulante et non secundum traditionem quam acceperunt a nobis. quae efficere potuerat ratio, ut deserentes uiam quae ducit ad caelorum regna conprehenderemus uestram quae praecipitet ad gehennam? circumscribere nos te potuisse arbitratus es subtilitate, qua serpens circumscripserit Adam et Euam, eximiis uerbis pulcherrimisque sensibus conscribens edictum, in quo omnia uenena tuae haeresis continentur. sed unde istud potueras efficere?
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And so the heretics of all sects have been cut off, as Arius was cut off, and as you, because you say of the only Son of God: he was made from nothing and is not the true Son, there was a time when he was not, have deserved to be cut off. Therefore you are all cut off, blasphemers, and rejected by the power of God from His Church of mercy, because you did not remain in that faith in which the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs remained. A man cut off, together with all your fellow blasphemers, from the body of the holy Church, lying in the bilge of the devil, you dare to say to her: be such as I am, so that you may be afflicted with the same disease by which I myself have been consumed. Thus you thought we could have fellowship with you, as if we did not remember that the blessed Paul said: But we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks unsteadily and not according to the tradition which they received from us. What reason could have brought it about that, abandoning the way which leads to the kingdoms of heaven, we should take up your way which hurls one into Gehenna? You thought you could ensnare us with the subtlety with which the serpent ensnared Adam and Eve, writing an edict with exquisite words and most beautiful sentiments, in which all the poisons of your heresy are contained. But how could you have accomplished this?
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cum nos contra tua atque patris tui uenena armauerit beatus Paullus dicens: hoc itaque dico, ut nemo uos decipiat in sublimitate uerborum, et iterum: uidete ne quis uos decipiat per philosophiam et inanem seductionem secundum traditionem hominum, secundum elementa mundi et non secundum Christum, quia in ipso inhabitat omnis plenitudo diuinitatis corporaliter. quomodo potueramus illis Arrianis tuis sacrilegis sensibus, uerbis sublimibus licet, seduci, cum inanem te philosophiam cognouerimus habere? unde etiam dulces tui possent esse sermones, quem uiderimus tenentem traditionem Arrii, non beatorum apostolorum? ad quos dixerit iste quem negas, quod uerus sit dei filius: euntes baptizate credentes in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti. quomodo tibi discipulo Arrii adquiesceremus Christiani deserentes apostolicam traditionem, cum te inueniamus dicere patrem non esse uerum patrem, sed appellari patrem, cum dicas non illum uerum habere filium, sed factum esse ex nihilo, sanctum paracletum spiritum cum dicas totidem constare ex nihilo, econtra uideamus. apostolos credidisse in unum deum patrem omnipotentem uerum patrem, propterea uerum patrem, quod uere, non putatiue habeat filium, et in unicum filium eius Iesum Christum, hoc est in uerum dei filium et in sanctum paraclitum spiritum, in uerum dei spiritum?
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since the blessed Paul has armed us against your poison and that of your father, saying: “Therefore I say this, so that no one may deceive you by the sublimity of words,” and again: “See that no one deceives you through philosophy and empty seduction according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ, because in him dwells the whole fullness of divinity bodily.” How could we have been seduced by those sacrilegious Arian opinions of yours, however sublime in words, when we have recognized that you hold an empty philosophy? Whence could your speeches be sweet, when we have seen that you hold the tradition of Arius, not of the blessed apostles? To whom did He whom you deny to be the true Son of God say: “Go, baptize those believing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”? How could we, Christians, deserting the apostolic tradition, acquiesce to you, a disciple of Arius, when we find you saying that the Father is not the true Father, but is called Father, when you say that He does not have a true Son, but that He was made from nothing, and when you say that the Holy Spirit Paraclete likewise consists of nothing, while on the contrary we see that the apostles believed in one God the Father Almighty, the true Father, for that reason the true Father because He truly, not putatively, has a Son, and in His only Son Jesus Christ, that is, in the true Son of God, and in the Holy Spirit Paraclete, in the true Spirit of God?
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quomodo quis potuerat ita credentium subplantari a diabolo per te Arrii blasphemiae fundatorem, cum fides apostolica et trinitatem confiteatur perfectam et unicam deitatem fateatur patris et filii et spiritus sancti, et Arrii hoc est tua blasphemia non teneat nisi id quod placuerit caro tuo diabolo, cum tantum intersit inter beatae ecclesiae fidem et inter haeresim tuam, quantum inter lucem atque tenebras?
Recte uos interea dixi ita separatos a nobis, ut tenebrae sunt separatae a lumine, quia sitis tenebrarum filii, unde et tenebras de uipereis cordibus euomueritis uestris. sperasti nos deflectere a uia ueritatis, tamquam non sciremus praemonuisse spiritum sanctum per beatum Paullum dicentem: nemo uos conuincat uolens in humilitate sensus et religione angelorum, quae uidetur ambulans sine causa, inflatus sensu carnis suae et non tenens caput ex quo omne corpus per conexum et coniunctionem productum crescit in augmentum fidei. quomodo te ambulantem sine causa, alitum serpentis ore Arrii, inflatum sensu carnis tuae, apostatam factum sequeremur, cum apostoli praeceptum cogeret temet uitari? dixisti quod enim pacis causa coniungi desiderans fueris pseudoepiscopos sectae tuae nobis; sed quomodo istud facere potueramus, ut non deum, sed te eius audiremus inimicum ?
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How could anyone among those who believe as such be undermined by the devil through you, Arius, the founder of blasphemy, when the apostolic faith both confesses a perfect Trinity and acknowledges the single divinity of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and Arius’s—that is, your—blasphemy holds only what has pleased your fleshly devil, since there is as much difference between the faith of the blessed Church and your heresy as between light and darkness?
Rightly, meanwhile, have I called you so separated from us as darkness is separated from light, because you are sons of darkness, whence you have also spewed darkness from your viperous hearts. You hoped to turn us aside from the path of truth, as if we did not know that the Holy Spirit had forewarned us through the blessed Paul, saying: “Let no one convince you, wishing in humility of sense and in the religion of angels, which seems to walk without cause, inflated with the sense of his own flesh and not holding the head from which every body, through connection and conjunction, is produced and grows into an increase of faith.” How could we follow you, walking without cause, a bird of the serpent’s mouth Arius, inflated with the sense of your own flesh, having become an apostate, when the apostle’s command compelled us to avoid you? You said that you, desiring to be joined for the sake of peace, had been pseudo-bishops of your sect to us; but how could we have done that, so as to listen not to God, but to you, his enemy?
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non sumus ut uos excordes, ut dei deum negemus filium, sicut negant Iudaei caecitatis uestrae participes ac duces uestrae incredulitatis, quorum reprobationis exemplum beatus ostendens Paulus dicit ad Hebraeos: et Moyses quidem fidelis in tota domo eius tamquam seruus in testimonio loquens, Christus autem tamquam filius in domo eius, quae domus nos sumus, si tamen liberalitatem et exultationem spei tenuerimus, propter quod dicit spiritus sanctus: hodie si uocem eius audieritis, nolite praedurare corda uestra, sicut in exacerbatione secundum diem temptationis in deserto, ubi temptauerunt patres tui in experimento; et uiderunt opera mea quadraginta annis. ideoque perosa mihi gens est, et dixi: semper errant corde. isti autem non cognouerunt uias meas, sicut iuraui in ira mea: si intrabunt in requiem meam. uidete, fratres, ne casu sit in aliquo uestrum cor malignum incredulitatis discedendo a deo uiuente, sed consolamini uosmet ipsos cotidie, donec hodie uocatur, ne praeduretur aliquis ex uobis in errore peccati. participes enim Christi facti sumus, siquidem principium substantiae usque ad finem firmum tenuerimus. dum dicitur hodie, si uocem meam audieritis, nolite praedurare corda uestra sicut in exacerbatione. quidam enim audito hoc non crediderunt; sed non omnes qui exierunt de Aegypto per Moysen. qui autem perosi ei fuerunt quadraginta annis?
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We are not like you, senseless ones, to deny that God the Son is God, as the Jews deny—those Jews who are partners in your blindness and leaders of your unbelief, whose example of reprobation the blessed Paul points out when he says to the Hebrews: "And Moses indeed is faithful in his whole house as a servant speaking in testimony, but Christ as a son in his house"—which house we are, if we hold to the liberality and exultation of hope, on account of which the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts, as in the provocation according to the day of temptation in the desert, where your fathers tempted me in the test; and they saw my works for forty years. Therefore the people are hateful to me, and I said: They always err in heart. But these did not know my ways, as I swore in my anger: If they will enter into my rest." See, brothers, lest by chance there be in any of you a malignant heart of unbelief, departing from the living God, but console yourselves daily, until "today" is called, so that no one among you is hardened in the error of sin. For we have been made partakers of Christ, if indeed we hold the beginning of substance firm to the end. When it is said "today, if you hear my voice, do not harden your hearts as in the provocation." For some, having heard this, did not believe; but not all who went out of Egypt through Moses. But who were those hateful to him for forty years?
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non hi qui peccauerunt, quorum cadauera iacuerunt in solitudine? quibus autem iurauit non intraturos in requiem suam nisi contumacibus ? et uidemus quia non potuerunt intrare propter incredulitatem. timeamus itaque ne casu derelicto mandato intrare quidam uestrum in requiem eius non posse uideantur. nam et adnuntiatum est nobis, quemadmodum et illis, et non profuit illis uerbum auditus, non temperatus fidei auditorum. intrabimus enim in requiem eius qui credidimus, ut dixit: sicut imaui in ira mea: si intrabunt in requiem meam, et cum opera ab origine mundi facta sunt. dixit tamen alicubi de die septimo: sic et requieuit deus in die septimo ab omnibus operibus suis. et in hoc iterum: si intrabunt in requiem meam. ergo quia superest reliquorum intrare in illam, et hi quibus prius praedicatum est non intrauerunt propter contumaciam. rursus aliam praefiniit diem hodie in Dauid dicendo post tantum temporis, sicut antea dictum est: hodie si uocem eius audieritis, nolite praedurare corda uestra, quoniam si Iesus illis requiem dedisset, non de alia dixisset. postera die ergo restat requies populo dei. etenim qui intrauit in requiem eius, et ipse requieuit ab operibus suis, sicut a suis deus. quis tam stultus, ut cum haec legerit, haec acceperit a beato apostolo, deserens fidem apostolicam suscipere temptet haeresem?
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Are they not those who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, except to the obstinate? And we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief. Let us therefore fear, lest by chance, having abandoned the commandment, some of you should seem unable to enter into His rest. For it was announced to us, just as to them, and the word of hearing did not profit them, not tempered by the faith of the hearers. For we who have believed will enter into His rest, as He said: as I swore in my anger: if they will enter into my rest, and when the works from the beginning of the world were done. Yet He said somewhere concerning the seventh day: thus God rested on the seventh day from all His works. And in this again: if they will enter into my rest. Therefore, because it remains for the rest to enter into it, and those to whom it was previously preached did not enter because of obstinacy. Again, He fixed another day today in David, saying after so much time, as was said before: today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, for if Jesus had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another. Therefore, on the next day the rest remains for the people of God. For he who entered into His rest also rested from his works, just as God from His. Who is so foolish, that when he has read these things, when he has received them from the blessed apostle, he would, abandoning the apostolic faith, attempt to embrace heresy?
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quis eum negare audebit, quem uideat aeternam requiem tribuere potentem credentibus se, et uelit in illum credere cum quo incipiat in aeternum puniri? quis est talis nisi tu Constantius imperator, qui dereliquisti domini castra et transitum fecisti ad diaboli domum? non delegimus ardere, sicuti tu delegisti cum amatore tuo diabolo, sed in requiem perpetuam intrare festinamus. quomodo tua astutia potueramus capi et a uia flecti ueritatis? quando adhuc hortetur apostolus ad requiem comprehendendam aeternam dicens: festinemus igitur intrare in illam requiem, ne aliqui in eodem exemplo contumaciae cadat. uiuidum enim uerbum dei et ualidum et acutum omni gladio acutissimum et penetrans usque ad diuisionem animae et spiritus artuumque et medullarum et scrutator animi et cogitationis cordis, et non est ulla creatio quae non pareat ante illum; omnia autem nuda et aperta oculis eius ad quem nobis ratio est. cum haec ita sint, quomodo potuerat quis nostrum transire ad uos in perfidia manentes Iudaeorum ? quae rerum ratio nos uobis possit iungere Christianos Arrianis, cum uideremus uos esse illius gentis imitatores omnis perfidiae? de qua quomodo possent emergere confugientes ad domum dei?
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Who will dare to deny Him, whom they see able to grant eternal rest to those believing in Him, and would choose to believe in Him with whom they begin to be punished eternally? Who is such a one but you, Constantius the emperor, who abandoned the Lord’s camp and crossed over to the devil’s house? We have not chosen to burn, as you have chosen with your lover the devil, but we hasten to enter into perpetual rest. How could we have been caught by your cunning and turned from the path of truth? When the apostle still exhorts us to seize hold of eternal rest, saying: Let us therefore hasten to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall in the same example of obstinacy. For the word of God is living, and strong, and sharper than any sword, and penetrating even to the division of soul and spirit, of limbs and marrow, and is the scrutineer of the mind and of the heart’s thought, and there is no creation that does not obey it; but all things are naked and open before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Since these things are so, how could any of us have crossed over to you, who remain in the perfidy of the Jews? What reasoning could join us Christians to you Arians, when we saw that you are imitators of that race of all perfidy? From which, how could those fleeing to the house of God emerge?
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cum in Actibus apostolorum locutus ita sit Petrus beatissimus dicens: paenitentiam agite, et baptieetur unusquisque uestrum in nomine domini nostri Iesu Christi in remissionem peccatorum, et accipietis donum spiritus sancti. uobis enim est haec promissio et filiis uestris et omnibus qui longe sunt, quoscumque aduocauerit dominus deus uester. aliis etiam uerbis plurimis contestabatur et exhortabatur eos dicens: eripite uos a generatione ista praua. nec poteris dicere non uos esse Arrianos generationem prauam, sicuti fuerint ac sint Iudaei, quando cernas tunc scribas Pharisaeos et principes Iudaeorum idcirco esse dictos praua generatio, quod enim et dei negabant filium et omnes in eius credentes diuinam maiestatem persequerentur. non, inquam, poteris dicere te atque cunctos Arrianos non esse generationem prauam et peruersam, » quando haec sitis gerentes quae et illi. si illi fuerunt unicum negantes dei filium, ita facitis et uos; si illi persecuti sunt seruos aeternae clementiae eius, persequimini etiam uos. quid igitur oportuerat nos facere, nisi secundum Petri beati praeceptum recederemus a uobis sacrilegis? unde enim uobiscum poterat conuenire? cum dixerit dominus in euangelio: adtendite uobis a fermento Pharisaeorum quae est hypocrisis.
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emperor, who, when the most blessed Peter spoke in the Acts of the Apostles, said: "Do penance, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is for you and your children and all who are far off, whomsoever your Lord God calls." And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying: "Deliver yourselves from this perverse generation." Nor can you say that you are not Arians, a perverse generation, just as the Jews were and are, when you see that the scribes, Pharisees, and princes of the Jews were called a perverse generation for this reason, that they both denied the Son of God and persecuted all who believed in his divine majesty. You cannot, I say, say that you and all Arians are not a perverse and depraved generation, when you do these same things which they did. If they denied the only Son of God, so do you; if they persecuted the servants of his eternal mercy, you also persecute them. What then ought we to have done, except, according to the precept of the blessed Peter, to withdraw from you sacrilegious men? For how could we have fellowship with you, when the Lord said in the Gospel: "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy"?
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Quomodo potueramus in uno esse? cum Corinthiis scribens dixerit beatus apostolus: omnino auditur inter uos fornicatio, et talis fornicatio qualis nec inter gentes, ita ut uxorem patris aliquis habeat, et uos inflati estis et non potius luctum habuistis, ut tolleretur e medio uestrum qui hoc opus fecit. si igitur apostolus huiusmodi opus operantem iusserit tolli e medio, ne uidelicet per illius societatem omnis corrumperetur ecclesia, quanto magis dignum fuerat, uos fugeremus blasphemos? si illum tradidisse satanae narrat, quanto magis tunc uos iam traditos esse scire debetis, quando dei coeperitis negare filium? ego quidem sicut absens corpore, praesens autem spiritu iam iudicaui ut praesens eum qui sic operatus est in nomine domini Iesu, congregatis uobis et spiritu meo, cum uirtute domini nostri Iesu tradere huiusmodi hominem satanae in interitum carnis, ut spiritus saluus sit in die domini nostri Iesu Christi, bona gloriatio uestra, nescitis quia modicum fermentum totam massam corrumpit. expurgate uetus fermentum, ut sitis noua consparsio, ut estis azymi. haec cum sit increpatio apostoli, poterant Christiani antichristi coniungi seruis ? quomodo enim non fuisset corruptus tantae blasphemiae uestrae uenenis, quandoquidem, siue in hypocrisi siue ex uero quis communicet uobis, sit in ingenti periculo?
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How could we have been in one [body]? When the blessed apostle, writing to the Corinthians, said: "I hear that fornication is heard of among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, so that someone has his father's wife, and you are puffed up and have not rather mourned, so that he who did this deed might be removed from your midst." If, therefore, the apostle ordered that one who performed a deed of this kind be removed from the midst, lest, evidently, through association with him the whole church be corrupted, how much more fitting was it that we flee from you blasphemers? If he says that he delivered that man to Satan, how much more ought you to know that you were already delivered when you began to deny the Son of God? For my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, I have already judged, as if present, that one who has acted thus in the name of the Lord Jesus, with you assembled and with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I deliver such a man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Your fine boast: you do not know that a little leaven corrupts the whole lump. Purge the old leaven, so that you may be a new dough, as you are unleavened. Since this is the apostle's rebuke, could Christians be joined to servants of Antichrist? For how would one not have been corrupted by the poisons of your great blasphemy, since, whether in hypocrisy or in truth, whoever communicates with you is in immense peril?
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cum propter haeresim uestram scripsi a uobis, quomodo iterum adhaerere potueramus? cum uox sit dicentis apostoli: scripsi uobis in epistula non misceri fornicariis, non utique fornicariis huius mundi aut auaris aut raptoribus aut idololatris alioquin debueratis de hoc mundo exiisse. nunc autem scripsi uobis non commisceri, si quis frater nominatur fornicator aut auarus aut idolorum cultor aut maledicus aut ebriosus aut rapax, cum eiusmodi nec cibum sumere. si cibum uobiscum iubemur non sumere, credideras potuisse catholicos conuenire cum haereticis ad solemnia cuncta celebranda? uobiscum erraticis, uobiscum per diaboli uenenum ad omnem deductis ebrietatem esse potueramus dei cultores? quomodo fieri istud potuerat, ut inter mortuos uiui staremus? cum dignum esset magis uos, filii aduersarii nostri, congregatos in unum uideri et nos contra Christi milites in unum, quo possetis sine ulla dubitatione ab omnibus deum diligentibus membra ac corpus meretricis uocitari; quo nomine etiam nos possemus nuncupari, si nosmet traderemus uobis. nescitis quia corpora uestra membra Christi sunt? tollens ergo membra Christi faciam membra meretricis? absit. aut nescitis quia qui se iungit meretrici unum corpus est. erunt enim, inquit, duo in carne una. qui autem iungit se domino unus spiritus est; fugite fornicationem. cuiusmodi uis fugere nos debere fornicationem?
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Because of your heresy, after I had written to you, how could we have been able to adhere again? Since the voice of the apostle says: I wrote to you in the letter not to mix with fornicators—not, of course, with the fornicators of this world, or with the avaricious, or with the plunderers, or with the idolaters; otherwise you ought to have departed from this world. But now I wrote to you not to associate, if any brother is called a fornicator, or an avaricious man, or a worshiper of idols, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or a plunderer, with such a one not even to take food. If we are commanded not to take food with you, had you believed that Catholics could convene with heretics to celebrate all the solemnities? With you, the erring ones, with you, led by the devil’s poison into every drunkenness, could we, the worshipers of God, have been? How could that have happened, that we should stand alive among the dead? Since it would be more fitting that you, the sons of our adversary, be seen gathered together in one place, and we, the soldiers of Christ, in another, so that you could, without any doubt, be called by all who love God the members and the body of a harlot; by which name we also could be called, if we delivered ourselves over to you. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Therefore, shall I take away the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Far be it. Or do you not know that he who joins himself to a harlot is one body? For they will be, it says, two in one flesh. But he who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit; flee fornication. What kind of fornication do you think we ought to flee?
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qui enim praeter uxorem aliam petere uoluerit fornicarius dicitur; item qui idolis seruierit fornicatus dicitur, quoniam quidem deum derelinquens idola adorauerit; similiter qui haereticus est fornicarius uocatur. quoduis de his cognosce grauius esse crimen haereticum fieri, idolis seruire an concommittere secundum carnem adulterium. quia ergo, siue gentiles siue uos haeretici idololatres dicimini, utraque pars idololatriam sit gerens necesse est, et tamen quia a carnali fornicatione, quantum dici non potest, quod uastiora sint illa duo crimina intelleges, conspice quibus te iugulaueris malis. clamat adhuc dicens sanctissimus apostolus: omne peccatum quod fecerit homo extra corpus est, qui autem fornicatur in corpus suum peccat, et: non estis uestri; empti enim estis pretio. glorificate et portate dominum in corpore uestro. quomodo poteris portare deum, Constanti, in corpore tuo, cum apostolicam fidem reiciendo haereticamque suscipiendo non te illius esse dixeris, cuius se dixerunt patres nostri Abraham Isaac et Iacob, sed et cuncti prophetae apostoli ac martyres? deinde si qui fornicator in corpus suum est peccans, quanto magis tu, qui sis non per carnem tantum illud perficiens serpentis opus, sed et per ipsam animam? nescitis quia qui se iungit meretrici unum corpus est, qui autem iungit se domino unus spiritus est.
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For he who wishes to seek another woman besides his wife is called a fornicator; likewise, he who has served idols is called a fornicator, since indeed, abandoning God, he has worshipped idols; similarly, he who is a heretic is called a fornicator. Consider which of these you judge to be the graver crime: to become a heretic, to serve idols, or to commit adultery according to the flesh. Therefore, since both Gentiles and you heretics are called idolaters, and each part necessarily bears idolatry, yet because from carnal fornication—as cannot be said—you will understand how much vaster those two crimes are, behold with what evils you have cut your own throat. The most holy apostle still cries out, saying: "Every sin that a man commits is outside the body; but he who fornicates sins in his own body," and: "You are not your own; for you have been bought with a price. Glorify and bear the Lord in your body." How will you be able to bear God, Constantius, in your body, when, by rejecting the apostolic faith and embracing the heretical one, you have declared yourself not to be of Him, of whom our fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and also all the prophets, apostles, and martyrs declared themselves? Then, if he who fornicates is sinning in his own body, how much more so are you, who accomplish the work of the serpent not only through the flesh, but also through the soul itself? Do you not know that he who joins himself to a harlot is one body, but he who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit?
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cum sacrilegis ne et ipsi facti in corpore meretricis non mereremur esse domini famuli, sed iam ut uos serui diaboli, censuimus recedendum fuisse a uobis. uae tibi, qui nolueris domino coniungi, sed uolueris diabolo. sed et cum dicit: nolite seduci; corrumpunt enim mores bonos conloquia mala, quid me iubet facere nisi ut fugiam coetum tuum sacrilegio maculatum, ne dum haereo tibi, et ipse tecum peream?
Quomodo in tuo concilio maligno esse potueramus? cum apostolum beatum Timotheo inueniamus dixisse: manus cito nemini inposueris neque communicaueris peccatis alienis. te ipsum castum serua. sed quomodo essemus casti, qui uobis haerendo ut uos disrupti fuissemus per illos arissimos uestros, inmundos uidelicet spiritus a castitate fidei? quomodo non communicassemus alienis peccatis, quod si uobiscum manendum censuissemus, hoc essemus futuri quod estis uos, hoc est membra meretricis? quomodo nos Christiani esse potueramus uobiscum haereticis?
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with the sacrilegious, lest we too, made part of the harlot’s body, should not deserve to be servants of the Lord, but rather, like you, servants of the devil, we judged that we had to withdraw from you. Woe to you, who were unwilling to be joined to the Lord, but were willing to be joined to the devil. But also, when he says: “Do not be led astray; for evil conversations corrupt good morals,” what does he bid me do but flee your assembly, stained with sacrilege, lest while I cling to you, I too perish with you?
How could we have been in your evil council? For we find that the blessed apostle said to Timothy: “Lay hands on no one hastily, nor share in the sins of others. Keep yourself chaste.” But how would we have been chaste, who, by clinging to you, would have been broken apart by your most narrow [spirits]—that is, by your unclean spirits from the chastity of the faith? How would we not have shared in the sins of others, since if we had judged that we should remain with you, we would have become what you are, that is, members of the harlot? How could we have been Christians with you heretics?
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cum item scripsisse apostolum Timotheo sciremus, ut nosmet abstraheremus a uobis haereticis: haec doce et exhorta.re, si quis aliter docet et non adquiescit sanis sermonibus domini nostri Jesu Christi et ei quae secundum pietatem est doctrinae, inflatus est autem nihil sciens, sed aegrotat circa quaestiones et uerborum rixas ex quibus nascuntur inuidiae contentiones blasphemiae suspiciones conflictationes malae hominum mente corruptorum et a ueritate destitutorum. a te itaque non ita credenti, ut credit populus dei, a te non ita docenti, ut docuerunt Christi unici filii dei apostoli, a te non adquiescente sanis sermonibus domini nostri Iesu Christi uoluimus uiuere segregati, a te expugnatore doctrinae quae secundum pietatem est, a te inflato contra nos per inimicum nostrum, a te nihil ueri scienti sed aegrotanti circa quaestiones, a te per cuius nefandos conatus natae esse specialiter nostris diebus inueniantur rixae uerborum, mortiferae contentiones, malignae conflictationes, per te uidelicet hominem mente corruptum, ueritatis interpolatorem. recedendum censuimus a te atque a conuiperinis tuis secundum apostoli praeceptum. dicit enim infra: hominum mente corruptorum et a ueritate destitutorum, existimantium quaestum esse pietatem, discede ab huiusmodi. unde tecum esse potueramus?
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Since we also knew that the apostle wrote to Timothy that we should separate ourselves from you heretics: "Teach and exhort these things; if anyone teaches otherwise and does not acquiesce in the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and in the doctrine that is according to piety, he is puffed up, knowing nothing, but sick over questions and wordy quarrels from which are born envy, contentions, blasphemies, suspicions, evil conflicts of men whose minds are corrupted and who are destitute of the truth." Therefore from you, not believing as the people of God believe, from you, not teaching as the apostles of Christ, the only son of God, taught, from you not acquiescing in the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, we wished to live separated; from you, the assailant of the doctrine that is according to piety; from you, puffed up against us through our enemy; from you, knowing nothing true but sick over questions; from you, through whose nefarious efforts wordy quarrels, deadly contentions, and malignant conflicts are found to have been born especially in our days, through you, evidently, a man of corrupted mind, an interpolator of the truth. We judged that we must withdraw from you and from your fellow vipers according to the apostle's precept. For he says below: "Of men whose minds are corrupted and who are destitute of the truth, who think piety is a profit, depart from such." How, then, could we have been with you?
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cum etiam in clausula huius epistolae hortetur te fugiendum esse, te qui excideris a fide: Thimothee, depositum custodi, deuitans profanas uocum nouitates et oppositiones scientiae falsi nominis, quam quidam promittentes circa fidem exciderunt. oportuerat nos uitare te profanas uocum nouitates proferentem. siquidem cognosceremus te illam sacrilegam uocem instinctu protulisse diaboli, illam, inquam, uocem, per quam expresseris uenena dogmatis tui dicens: erat quando non erat, et factus est ex nihilo, et non est una potentia patris et filii. haec non spiritus sanctus per te protulit, sed inmundus ille diabolicus. quomodo itaque secundum apostoli mandatum custodire depositum potueramus, si tecum in concilio maledicto uestro mansissemus, cum nos proposuerimus usque ad mortis exitum apostolicam tenere fidem, istam scilicet quam apud Niciam retinemus scriptam contra tuam blasphemiam et contra omnium haereticorum tuorum execrabiles conatus?
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:since also at the close of this epistle he exhorts that you must be fled, you who have fallen away from the faith: "Timothy, guard the deposit, shunning profane novelties of words and oppositions of falsely named knowledge, which some promising have fallen away from the faith concerning." We ought to have shunned you uttering profane novelties of words, since we knew that you had brought forth that sacrilegious utterance at the instigation of the devil—that utterance, I say, by which you expressed the poisons of your dogma, saying: "There was a time when he was not, and he was made from nothing, and the power of the Father and the Son is not one." These things the Holy Spirit did not utter through you, but that unclean diabolical spirit. How therefore could we, according to the apostle's command, guard the deposit, if we had remained with you in your accursed council, since we have proposed to hold the apostolic faith until the end of death—that faith, namely, which we retain written at Nicaea against your blasphemy and against the execrable efforts of all your heretics?
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Quomodo in concilio uestro Arrianorum esse nos potueramus Christiani? qui in libro Machabaeorum praecessores conseruos nostros segregatos fuisse ab illis qui iuxta edictum contyranni tui Antiochi idolis supplicauerant audiuerimus): ludas autem Machabaeus, qui decimus fuerat et secesserat in desertum ibique cum feris uitam in montibus cum suis agebat, faeni cibo uescentes morabantur, ne essent participes coinquinationis. cognoscis hoc in uno testimonio nos recedere oportuisse a uobis, ne et nos participes fuissemus coinquinationis. quomodo uobis iungeremur? cum item dicat dominus ad apostolos: adtendite uobis a fermento Pharisaeorum et Sadducaeorum. et ut fermentum fuisse doctrinam non sanam, quam uidelicet aut tunc illi Pharisaei aut Sadducaei aut nunc uos omnium sectarum proferitis haeretici, nobis manifestaret, sequitur scriptura dicens: tunc cogitabant inter se dicentes, quia panem non habemus. quibus cogitantibus dixit Iesus: quid cogitatis inter uos modicae fidei, quia panem non habetis? nondum intellegitis neque meministis quinque panum et quinque milium hominum et quot cophinos sumpseritis neque septem panum et septem millia hominum et quot sportas sumpsistis? quare non intellegitis, quia non de pane dixi: adtendite a fermento Pharisaeorum et Sadducaeorum? tunc intellexerunt, quia non dixit a fermento, sed a doctrina Pharisaeorum intenderent sibi.
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How could we Christians have been present in your council of Arians, we who have heard in the book of Maccabees that our fellow servants, our predecessors, were separated from those who, according to the edict of your fellow tyrant Antiochus, had supplicated the idols? But Judas Maccabeus, who was the tenth and had withdrawn into the desert, and there lived a life among the wild beasts in the mountains with his men, staying there feeding on hay, lest they be partakers of defilement. You recognize from this one testimony that we had to withdraw from you, lest we too be partakers of defilement. How could we join with you? Since the Lord also says to the apostles: "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." And to make clear to us that the leaven was the unsound doctrine, which evidently either the Pharisees or Sadducees then, or you heretics now of all sects, put forth, the scripture continues, saying: Then they were thinking among themselves, saying, "We have no bread." While they were thinking, Jesus said: "What are you thinking among yourselves, you of little faith, because you have no bread? Do you not yet understand nor remember the five loaves and the five thousand men, and how many baskets you took up, nor the seven loaves and the seven thousand men, and how many hampers you took up? Why do you not understand that I did not speak of bread when I said: 'Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees'?" Then they understood, that he had not spoken of leaven, but that they should beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees.
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item ad Corinthios scribens cum dignetur apostolus instruere recedendum a uobis haereticis et omnibus alienigenis, quomodo praesumpserat cor tuum in omnibus uarium et mutabile, sed in hac malignitate malo salutis suae ingenti stabilitum robore, nos potuisse tecum pacem uel cum tuis habere? nolite iugum ducere eum infidelibus; quae enim participatio iustitiae cum iniquitate? aut quae societas lucis ad tenebras? quae autem conuentio Christi ad Belial? aut quae pars fideli cum infidele? qui autem consensus templo dei cum idolis? uos enim estis templum dei uiui; scriptum est enim: quoniam inhabitabo in illis et inter illos ambulabo, et en) illorum deus, et ipsi erunt mihi populus; propter quod exite de medio eorum et separamini, dicit dominus, et inmundum ne tetigeritis, et ego recipiam uos et ero uobis in patrem, et uos mihi eritis in filios et filias, dicit dominus omnipotens. quomodo, cum tua praecepta orta uideantur esse contra has domini promissiones, demorari uobiscum fideles potueramus cum infidelibus? currentes in uia lucis uobiscum possemus stare hominibus iter conficientibus in uia tenebris errorum repleta omnium?
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Again, when the Apostle deigns to instruct, writing to the Corinthians, that we must withdraw from you heretics and from all aliens, how had your heart, inconstant and changeable in all things, but in this malice of your own salvation fixed with immense strength, presumed that we could have peace with you or with your followers? "Do not join with unbelievers; for what partnership has justice with iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what agreement has Christ with Belial? Or what part has the faithful with the faithless? Or what concord has the temple of God with idols?" For you are the temple of the living God; for it is written: "For I shall dwell in them and walk among them, and I shall be their God, and they shall be my people." Therefore, "Depart from among them and separate yourselves," says the Lord, "and do not touch the unclean, and I will receive you and be a father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me," says the almighty Lord. How, when your precepts seem to have arisen against these promises of the Lord, could we, the faithful, have remained with you, the faithless? Running on the path of light, could we stand with men making their journey on a path filled with all the darkness of errors?
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quis enim tam stultus est, ut cum audierit deum dicere: quoniam inhabitabo in illis, et inter eos ambulabo et ero illorum deus, et ipsi erunt mihi populus; propter quod exite de medio eorum et separamini, dicit dominus, et inmundum ne tetigeritis, et ego recipiam uos et ero uobis in patrem, et uos mihi eritis in filios et filias, dicit dominus omnipotens, quis, diximus, tam stultus est, ut nolit in se deum inhabitare, qui nolit se receptum a deo reputari inter eos quos filios appellare dignatus est, ut non fugiat te inmundum per haeresim tuam effectum? non aequum nobis uisum est, ut uobiscum nos in uno fuissemus, quandoquidem nec sit aequum homines morari cum serpentibus. aut negabis unici filii dei negatores dictos in sacris scripturis serpentes? si negare non potes, aduerte recte nos egisse fugere uos serpentes. legisti apostolum Thimotheo dicentem: profanas nouitates uocum deuita; multum enim proficient ad impietatem, et sermo eorum ut cancer serpit. existimasti tecum, cuius sermo ut cancer est, esse dei homines potuisse? item beatus cum praecipiat Iohannes uos fugiendos dicens: gauisus sum ualde quod inueni de filiis tuis ambulantes in ueritate sicuti mandatum accepimus patre. oro te, domina, non sicut mandatum nouum scribens tibi, sed quod habuimus ab initio, ut diligamus nos alterutrum; et haec est caritas ut ambulemus secundum mandata eius.
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For who is so foolish that, upon hearing God say: "I will dwell in them, and I will walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people; therefore, come out from among them and separate yourselves," says the Lord, "and do not touch anything unclean, and I will receive you and will be a father to you, and you will be to me sons and daughters," says the almighty Lord—who, we say, is so foolish as to be unwilling for God to dwell in him, who is unwilling to be considered received by God among those whom He has deigned to call sons, so as not to flee from you, made unclean through your heresy? It did not seem right to us that we should have been together with you in one place, since it is not right for men to dwell with serpents. Or will you deny that the deniers of the only Son of God are called serpents in the sacred scriptures? If you cannot deny it, recognize that we have acted rightly in fleeing from you serpents. You have read the Apostle saying to Timothy: "Avoid profane novelties of words; for they greatly advance impiety, and their speech creeps like a cancer." Did you think with yourself that men whose speech is like a cancer could be God's men? Likewise, the blessed John commands that you be shunned, saying: "I rejoiced greatly that I found among your children those walking in the truth as we received the commandment from the Father. I beg you, lady, not as writing a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another; and this is charity, that we walk according to his commandments.
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hoc est mandatum sicut audistis ab initio ut in eo ambuletis, quoniam multi fallaces progressi sunt in saeculo qui non confitentur Iesum Christum uenisse in carnem; isti sunt fallaces et antichristi. uidete eos, ne perdatis quod operati estis, sed ut mercedem plenam recipiatis. omnis qui recedit et non manet in doctrina Christi deum non habet; qui autem manet in doctrina eius ille et patrem et filium habet. si quis uenerit ad uos et hanc doctrinam non adfert, nolite accipere eum in domum et am nolite dicere ei; qui enim dicit ei aue communicat operibus eius malignis. quomodo fieri potuerat, ut nos tecum atque cum tuis essemus dei milites cum militibus antichristi, quandoquidem nec salutari uos permiserit spiritus sanctus, dans haec praecepta per beatum apostolum?
Sed fortassis dicere audebis: numquid ego in carnem uenisse nego dei filium, ut unus nuncuper ex antichristis? non quidem tu, Constanti imperator, uenisse in carnem negas dei filium, sed dicis illum quem nos confitemur in carne uenisse esse creaturam, dicis factum illum ex nihilo, non illum esse uerum. dei filium adfirmans. nos contra qui istius beati apostoli tenemus traditionem credimus uerum dei filium, credimus unam habere deitatem patrem et hunc unicum eius filium.
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This is the commandment as you have heard from the beginning, that you walk in it, because many deceivers have gone forth in the world who do not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh; these are deceivers and antichrists. Watch out for them, lest you lose what you have labored for, but so that you may receive the full reward. Everyone who withdraws and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have God; but whoever remains in his teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not even say to him; for whoever says "hail" to him communicates with his evil works. How could it have been possible that we, along with you and yours, would be soldiers of God together with soldiers of the antichrist, since the Holy Spirit has not even permitted us to greet you, giving these precepts through the blessed apostle?
But perhaps you will dare to say: Do I deny that the Son of God came in the flesh, so that I am counted among the antichrists? Not indeed do you, Emperor Constantius, deny that the Son of God came in the flesh, but you say that he whom we confess came in the flesh is a creature, you say that he was made from nothing, affirming that he is not the true Son of God. We, on the contrary, who hold to the tradition of this blessed apostle, believe in the true Son of God, we believe that the Father and this his only Son have one divinity.
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quod ita esse dominus in sacris suis euangeliis manifestat dicens: qui me uidit uidit et patrem, et: ego in patre et pater in me; et : ego et pater unum sumus. saepe diximus quia, eum sint. duae personae pater et filius et tamen dicat: ego et pater unum sumus, et: qui me uidit uidit et patrem, et: ego in patre et pater in me, nihil aliud nos illum uoluisse. adsequi, nisi quia una sit aeternitas patris et filii, una sit claritas, una potentia unaue magnitudo. idcirco etenim etiam apostolus in hac dicit secunda epistula: omnis qui recedit et non manet in doctrina Christi deum non habet; qui autem manet in doctrina eius ille et patrem et filium habet, ut per doctrinam colligentes sacrorum euangeliorum dei patris et unici filii eius unam crederemus deitatem, hunc habere deum qui ita credat; qui autem recesserit ab hac doctrina, hoc est et ego et pater unum sumus — utique cum sit plurale, et duas ostendit personas et unam potentiam harum duarum personarum, hoc est patris et filii — ergo dicit apostolus: qui recedit et non manet in doctrina Christi deum non habet; qui autem manet in doctrina eius ille et patrem et filium habet, ut crederemus filio dicenti dei: ego et pater unum sumus, quod utique una sit deitas patris et filii.
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That this is so, the Lord manifests in his holy Gospels, saying: "He who has seen me has seen also the Father," and: "I am in the Father and the Father in me," and: "I and the Father are one." We have often said that, although there are two persons, Father and Son, and yet He says: "I and the Father are one," and: "He who has seen me has seen also the Father," and: "I am in the Father and the Father in me," we intended nothing else to be understood by this except that the eternity of the Father and the Son is one, the glory is one, the power is one, and the magnitude is one. For this reason also the Apostle says in this second epistle: "Everyone who departs and does not remain in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; but he who remains in His doctrine has both the Father and the Son," so that, by gathering from the doctrine of the holy Gospels that the divinity of God the Father and of His only Son is one, we might believe that he who believes thus has God; but he who has departed from this doctrine—that is, "I and the Father are one"—(since, of course, it is plural, it shows both two persons and the one power of these two persons, that is, of the Father and the Son)—therefore the Apostle says: "He who departs and does not remain in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; but he who remains in His doctrine has both the Father and the Son," so that we might believe the Son saying of God: "I and the Father are one," that indeed the divinity of the Father and the Son is one.
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constat itaque te, qui ita non teneas quomodo tradiderit apostolis dominus et apostoli episcopis, te non habere deum, quia et apostolus uolens et patris et filii unicam diuinitatem manifestare dicebat: qui recedit a doctrina eius deum non habet; qui autem manet in doctrina eius ille patrem et filium habet. te inquam constitutum sine deo, te neque filium habentem neque patrem rectissime fugisse cognoscimus, siquidem non fuisset dignum habentes deum cum inimicis eius demorari diuinae magnitudinis. sed quam sis deo odibilis cognosce, ut nec aue tibi dicere fuerimus permissi. quomodo uobiscum Arrianis Christiani esse potueramus? cum dicat apostolus Paulus: stultas quaestiones et genealogias et contentiones et lites legis deuita; sunt enim inutiles et uanae. haereticum hominem post unam correptionem deuita, sciens quoniam peruersus est et peccat, cum sit a semet ipso damnatus. cum haereticis a semet ipsis damnatis non potueramus congregari, ne et nos illa uox percuteret, sicut Galatas beati Pauli percutit: currebatis bene; quis uobis impediuit ueritati non oboedire? cognoscentes uos esse unici dei filii hostes, fugimus nefaria consilia uestra temperantes uoci apostoli qui, nemini, inquit, consenseritis, suasio uestra ex deo est qui uocat uos. nescitis quia modicum fermentum totam massam corrumpit.
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Thus it is established that you, who do not hold as the Lord handed down to the apostles and the apostles to the bishops, do not have God, because the apostle, wishing to manifest the unique divinity of both the Father and the Son, said: "He who departs from his teaching does not have God; but he who remains in his teaching has both the Father and the Son." You, I say, established as being without God, having neither the Son nor the Father, we know that you have most rightly fled, since it would not have been worthy for those having God to dwell with the enemies of divine majesty. But learn how hateful you are to God, that we were not even permitted to say "Hail" to you. How could we Christians have been with you Arians? Since the apostle Paul says: "Avoid foolish questions and genealogies and contentions and legal disputes; for they are useless and vain. After one correction, avoid a heretical man, knowing that he is perverse and sins, being condemned by himself." We could not assemble with heretics condemned by themselves, lest that voice strike us as it strikes the Galatians in blessed Paul: "You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?" Knowing you to be enemies of the only Son of God, we fled your nefarious counsels, tempering ourselves by the voice of the apostle who says: "Consent to no one; your persuasion is from God who calls you. Do you not know that a little leaven corrupts the whole mass?
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noluimus uos uermes Arrii recipere nos serui Christi in societatem, ne fuissemus eo ueneno diaboli quo uos estis consumpti. noluimus uobiscum ire, cum hominibus uidelicet, qui adhuc uideamini esse extra dei notitiam, qui adhuc sub diaboli sitis constituti potestate. noluimus mortuis coniungi uiui, quia tales uos esse cognoscamini, quales fuerimus ipsi antequam credidissemus in unicum dei filium. haec ita se habere manifestat apostolus Ephesiis scribens: et uos cum essetis mortui delictis et peccatis uestris, in quibus aliquando ambulastis secundum principem potestatis aeris huius, spiritus qui nunc operatur in filiis diffidentiae, in quibus et nos omnes conuersati sumus aliquando in concupiscentia carnis nostrae, facientes uoluntates carnis et consiliorum; et eramus naturales filii irae, sicut et ceteri. cum adhuc uos tales sitis, quales nos fuisse antequam credidissemus refert sanctissimus apostolus, utique fueratis uitandi, homines, in quibus operentur et per quos gerant principes potestatis, aeris huius spiritus, omne desiderium suum; eratis fugiendi filii diffidentiae, filii naturaliter irae, ne uobis haerendo ad id quod ante fuissemus reduceremur. noluimus esse uobiscum, quia adhuc non fueritis misericordiam dei adepti quam iam nos sumus consecuti.
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We did not wish to receive you, worms of Arius, into fellowship with us, servants of Christ, lest we be consumed by that poison of the devil by which you are consumed. We did not wish to go with you, that is, with men who still appear to be outside the knowledge of God, who are still established under the power of the devil. We did not wish, the living, to be joined with the dead, because you are acknowledged to be such as we ourselves were before we believed in the only Son of God. That these things are so, the apostle manifests writing to the Ephesians: "And you, when you were dead in your faults and your sins, in which you once walked according to the prince of the power of this air, the spirit which now works in the sons of unbelief, in which we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the wills of the flesh and of our counsels; and we were natural sons of wrath, as also the rest." Since you are still such as we were before we believed, as the most holy apostle relates, you were certainly to be avoided, men in whom and through whom the princes of the power, the spirits of this air, work all their desire; you were to be fled, sons of unbelief, sons naturally of wrath, lest by clinging to you we be reduced to what we formerly were. We did not wish to be with you, because you had not yet obtained the mercy of God which we have already attained.
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noluimus societatem habere uobiscum, qui consilio carnis ducebamini, sicut ducebatur iste beatissimus Paulus priusquam credidisset, quem meminimus dicere: nemo uos seducat inanibus uerbis, propter hoc uenit ira dei in filios diffidentiae. nolite itaque fieri participes eorum. eratis enim aliquando tenebrae, nunc autem lux in domino, sicut filii lucis ambulate; fructus enim luminis est in omni bonitate et iustitia et ueritate, probantes quid sit acceptum deo, et nolite communicare operibus infructuosis \\ tenebrarum, magis autem redarguite. noluimus, quia haec mandata acceperimus, uobiscum demorari ducti inanibus uestris uerbis, ne scilicet ueniret super nos ira, sicuti etiam uenit et uentura est in uos, in te atque tuos, in uos filios diffidentiae. noluimus effici participes tenebrarum, siquidem. iam credentes in unicum dei filium mandatis eius maiestatis parere cupiendo ex illis euadentes tenebris lux facti fuerimus in domino; unde nec mandatis tuis tenebrosis paruerimus, quia fuisset sceleratum filios lucis tuum facere opus tenebrosi, quia et fructus luminis sit ambulare in iustitia et ueritate et in omni bonitate.
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We did not wish to have fellowship with you, who were led by the counsel of the flesh, just as that most blessed Paul was led before he believed, whom we recall saying: let no one seduce you with empty words; because of this the wrath of God came upon the sons of faithlessness. Do not, therefore, become partakers of them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as sons of light; for the fruit of light is in all goodness and justice and truth, proving what is acceptable to God, and do not communicate with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather rebuke them. We did not wish, because we have received these commandments, to tarry with you, led by your empty words, lest the wrath come upon us, just as it also came and will come upon you, upon you and yours, upon you sons of faithlessness. We did not wish to become partakers of darkness, since, already believing in the only Son of God and desiring to obey the commands of His majesty, we have escaped from that darkness and have become light in the Lord; hence we did not obey your dark commands, because it would have been criminal for sons of light to do your dark work, since the fruit of light is to walk in justice and truth and in all goodness.
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Dicis nos facere inique, quod nolimus haeresim suscipere tuam, quod non tecum atque cum tuis aeternae fuerint fixae amicitiae. accipe quod Moses fecerit de alienigenis tempore, quo iubere est ei dignatus deus, ut mittens certum numerum Israelitarum ore gladii perdidisset quinque Madiae reges et Moab; qui destinati ad proelium interfectis omnibus maribus, quod sexui pepercerint femineo occurrenti, increpat Moses Israel filios, cur non etiam sexum femineum delessent, et iubet coram se easdem interfici, adfixmans quod enim ad idola adoranda possent populi inlicere mentes. si itaque et nos sic execramur haeresim tuam ut Moses idololatriam, si sic et quidem dei gladio interfici cupiamus haereses omnium uestrorum errantium, quomodo et Moses illas idolis mancipatas, si ita uos fugiamus religionis dei aduersarios, ut ille fugit idolorum cultores, existima nos facere recte abstrahendo nosmet a uobis. quomodo etenim conuenire nobis uobiscum potuerat, cum ad Philippenses dixerit: uidete canes, uidete malos operarios ? uos canes, malos operarios quis dei seruorum non fugeret nisi qui se non meminisset Christianum? uobis, aduersarii dei religionis, serui Christi potueramus esse coniuncti, cum exhortetur Iudas gloriosus apostolus frater Iacobi apostoli, ut te atque similes tibi uitaremus et in suscepta fide usque ad mortis exitum maneremus?
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You say we act unjustly because we are unwilling to accept your heresy, because eternal friendships were not fixed with you and yours. Hear what Moses did with foreigners at the time when God deigned to command him, so that, sending a certain number of Israelites, he destroyed by the edge of the sword the five kings of Midian and Moab; who, when sent to battle, after all the males were killed, because they spared the female sex that met them, Moses rebuked the sons of Israel, why they had not also destroyed the female sex, and he orders them to be killed in his presence, affirming that they could entice the minds of the people to worship idols. If, therefore, we also execrate your heresy as Moses did idolatry, if we indeed wish to destroy the heresies of all you who err with the sword of God, just as Moses did those enslaved to idols, if we flee you as adversaries of the religion of God, as he fled the worshippers of idols, consider that we act rightly in withdrawing ourselves from you. For how could we have fellowship with you, when he said to the Philippians: see the dogs, see the evil workers? You are dogs, evil workers; which servant of God would not flee you, unless he had forgotten that he was a Christian? Could we, servants of Christ, have been joined to you, adversaries of the religion of God, when the glorious apostle Jude, brother of the apostle James, exhorts us to avoid you and those like you and to remain in the faith we have received until the end of our life?
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Iudas Iesu Christi seruus, frater autem Iacobi his qui in deo patre dilectis et in Iesu Christo conseruatis uocatis. misericordia uobis et pax et caritas multiplicetur. carissimi, omnem sollicitudinem faciens scribendi uobis de communi nostra salute deprecor, ut perlaboretis semel traditae societati. subintrauerunt enim quidam homines, olim quidem praescripti ad hoc iudicium, impii, qui dei gratiam transferunt ad inpudicitiam et qui est dominator noster et dominus Iesus Christus eum negantes. cum negatoribus uobis blasphemis fuerat nefas conuenire, cum adhuc eorum qui transgressi sunt mandata domini praeponens exempla urgeat corda nostra manere in ea fide in qua ipse uideatur mansisse. admonere itaque uos uolo dicens, scientes omnia, quoniam deus populum suum de terra Aegypti saluum fecit; secundum autem non credentes perdidit, angelos quoque qui non seruauerunt ordinem suum, sed dereliquerunt habitaculum suum, in iudicium magni dei uinculis. eos sanctorum angelorum sub tenebras seruauit. Sodoma autem et Gomorrha et quae circa eas erant ciuitates, his simili modo cum adulterium fecissent et carnem secutae essent, cinis propositae sunt exemplum, ignis aeterni poenam sustinentes. similiter itaque et isti somniantes carnem quidem coinquinant, dominationem autem spernunt.
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Judas, servant of Jesus Christ, brother of James, to those beloved in God the Father and preserved in Jesus Christ, who are called. May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you. Dearest ones, making every effort in writing to you concerning our common salvation, I beseech that you labor for the fellowship once handed down. For certain men have crept in, long ago prescribed for this judgment, impious ones, who transfer the grace of God to unchastity and who deny our ruler and lord Jesus Christ. It was unlawful for you to meet with blasphemers, deniers, while the examples of those who have transgressed the Lord’s commands, set before us, urge our hearts to remain in that faith in which he himself is seen to have remained. Therefore I wish to admonish you, saying, knowing all things, that God saved his people from the land of Egypt; but the unbelievers he destroyed, and also the angels who did not keep their order but abandoned their dwelling, he kept in chains for the judgment of the great God, under the darkness of the holy angels. Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner, when they had committed adultery and followed the flesh, were set forth as an example of ash, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. Likewise, therefore, these dreamers defile the flesh and spurn dominion.
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et infra: uae illis, quoniam in uiam Cain abierunt et in seductionem Baal mercede effusi sunt et in contradictionem Coreb perierunt. hi sunt in caritatibus uestris maculae sine timore semet ipsos regentes, nubes sine aqua omni uento circumferendae, arbores autumnales sine fructu, mortuae a radicibus euulsae, fluctus feroces maris, despumantes turpitudines suas, procellae seducentes, quibus tempus tenebrarum in aeternum seruatum est. et infra: uos autem, fratres, mementote praedictorum sermonum ab apostolis Iesu Christi, quoniam dicebant : in nouissimis diebus erunt inrisores, euntes secundum uoluntates suas impias. hi sunt secernentes, animales spiritum non habentes. in his omnibus malis quia esse conspectus es, Constanti, uitatae sunt a nobis tuae interficere laborantes amicitiae, ne uidelicet tecum ad illa fuissemus praecipitati loca tormentorum, ad quae omnes illos quorum tenens es iter narrat praecipites datos.
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And further: Woe to them, because they have gone the way of Cain and have been poured out for hire into the seduction of Baal and have perished in the contradiction of Korah. These are the stains in your loves, ruling themselves without fear, clouds without water to be carried about by every wind, autumnal trees without fruit, dead, torn up from the roots, fierce waves of the sea, foaming out their own filth, seducing gales, for whom a time of darkness has been preserved forever. And further: But you, brothers, remember the aforesaid words from the apostles of Jesus Christ, because they used to say: In the last days there will be mockers, going according to their own impious wills. These are separatists, animal men having no spirit. Since you have been seen to be in all these evils, Constantius, your friendships, which labor to destroy, have been avoided by us, lest evidently we should have been hurled with you into those places of torments, into which it tells that all those whose path you hold have been cast headlong.
Citation. Tergwame, “De Non Conveniendo Cum Haereticis”, stoa0180a.stoa001.opp-lat1:1, machine-draft, 2026. https://naxiai.com/christian/works/stoa0180a.stoa001.opp-lat1#s1
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