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De Moribus Brachmanorum is a Latin treatise on the customs of the Brahmins, attributed to Ambrosius but of uncertain authorship. It belongs to the Greco-Roman ethnographic tradition about India, equating Brahmins with gymnosophists and Indian philosophers. The text survives in a single manuscript tradition, with the earliest witness from the 9th century. Commonly dated to the 4th or 5th century based on stylistic comparison, it lacks firm historical references. The work was used by medieval encyclopedists like Isidore of Seville and later Renaissance humanists as a source for Indian ethnography. This edition lacks a critical apparatus and full commentary on ethnographic sources.

De Moribus Brachmanorum is significant as a key source for the transmission of Greco-Roman ethnographic knowledge about India into medieval and Renaissance Europe. It illustrates the conflation of Indian ascetics and philosophers in Western thought and was used by encyclopedists like Isidore of Seville. The work also highlights the challenges of authorship attribution in late antique literature.

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The treatise was likely composed in the late antique Latin West, possibly in the 4th or 5th century, though the date is uncertain. It survives in a single manuscript tradition, with the earliest witness from the 9th century. The work is attributed to Ambrosius (often identified with Ambrose of Milan), but this attribution is spurious due to stylistic differences from Ambrose's known works. The text is addressed to a certain Palladius, possibly a Greek youth later conjectured to be bishop of the Irish, suggesting an epistolary frame common in late antique didactic literature. The work reflects Greco-Roman ethnographic topoi about India, conflating Brahmins with gymnosophists and philosophers. It was transmitted through medieval libraries, including those at the Vatican, Milan, and the Medicean collections, and was used by Isidore of Seville and later humanists.

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DE MORIBUS BRA CHMANORUM. Habetur hic tractatus ms. in tribus celeberrimis Italice bibliothecis, Vaticana, Mediolanensi, et Medicæa, sub nomine B. Ambrosii Mediolanensis episcopi: cujus tamen non esse, tum ex aliis dubitari potest, tum ex differentia styli, qui a gravitate Ambrosii, ab elegantia et acumine verborum cum venustate conjuncto longe distare videtur. Sed cum iti vetustis libris nomen ipsius, nescio qua occasione, sortitus jam sit, a nobis in hac editione additus est inter alia opuscula incerta, quæ huic sancto doctori tribuenda sint, necue, sinceri lectoris judicio relinquimus. Opus certe ipsum nou admodum expolitum fatemur. Vel furtasse Ambrosius (si illius dicendus est auclor) Palladio Græco hominiscribens, linguæ Latinæ parum erudito, et adhuc juveni ( is enim est, ut conjicitur, qui postea Hibernorum episcopuslfuit ordinatus), ut ejus capacitati se acco nmodaret, magis aperto et eummuniore sermone usus est.
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On the Customs of the Brahmins. This treatise is preserved in manuscript in three most celebrated Italian libraries, the Vatican, the Milanese, and the Medicean, under the name of the Blessed Ambrose, Bishop of Milan. Yet that it is not his can be doubted from other reasons, as well as from the difference of style, which seems far removed from Ambrose’s gravity, from his elegance and sharpness of words joined with charm. But since in ancient books it has already, for some reason, obtained his name, it has been added by us in this edition among other uncertain little works, which we leave to the judgment of the sincere reader as to whether they are to be attributed to this holy doctor or not. We confess that the work itself is not very polished. Or perhaps Ambrose (if he is to be called its author), writing to the Greek man Palladius, who was little skilled in the Latin language and still a youth (for he is the one who, it is conjectured, was later ordained bishop of the Irish), used a more open and common style in order to accommodate himself to his capacity.
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Desiderium mentis tuæ, Palladi, quæ, immenso sapientiæ amore incensa, nova semper discere optat, novum eliam arduumque opus efficcre nos compellit, id vero est Brachmanorum patriam consuetudinem, vitamque recensere. Ego quippe cum neque ipsos, neque ipsorum viderim lora ( longo enim terrarum spatio a nostra Europa sunt sejuncti), ea tibi dumtaxat quæ ab aliis audivi, et quæ a scriptorihus desumpsi, enarrare tentabo. Brachmani a nonnullis gymnosophistæ, a quibusdam philosophi seu sapientes Indorum appellantur (Slrabo, I. xv Geographim). Habitant. autem juxta Gangem, fluvium totius Indiae maximum ( Q. Curtius, lib. VIII). IIic vero Ganges ille est quem Scripturae sanctæ Phison appellant, et unus de quatuor qui e paradiso exire perhihentur ( Genes. II).
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The desire of your mind, Palladius, which, inflamed with an immense love of wisdom, always wishes to learn new things, compels us to produce a new and even arduous work, namely, to review the country, custom, and life of the Brahmins. For I, since I have seen neither them nor their country (for they are separated from our Europe by a great expanse of land), will attempt to relate to you only those things which I have heard from others and which I have taken from writers. The Brahmins are called by some Gymnosophists, by others philosophers or sages of the Indians (Strabo, Book XV of Geography). They dwell, moreover, near the Ganges, the greatest river of all India (Quintus Curtius, Book VIII). Now this Ganges is that which the Holy Scriptures call Phison, and one of the four which are said to issue from paradise (Genesis 2).
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Primum igitur Musaeus frater noster Dolenerum episcopus, mihi retulit, quod ipse aliquot ante annos ad Indias, Brachmanos visendi studio profecturus, Sericam fere universam regionem peragravit: in qua refert arbores esse quae non solum folia, red lanam quoque proferunt tenuiseimam, ex qua vestimenta conficiuntur, quae serica nuncupantar, et ibi insignem quamdam conspici lapideam eolumnam Alexandri nomine hoc titulo sculptam: Ego Alexander huc perveni; et quod plurimis populorum nationibus regionibusque perlustratis, in Arianam taudem devenit provinciam prope Indum amnem: quam desertis circumdatam cernens, fervoribusque ambustam, eo quod sol omnia incenderet ( unde maxima aquae laborabatur penuria, et si iila aliunde advehebatur, quod confestim in suis etiam vasis fervere cerneretur), et cum solis aestum, locorumque incendium sufferre nequiret, protinus inchoatum iter deserere, pedem efferre, et in Europam remeare coactus est (Plinius,lib. VI Nat. tiU. cap. 23). Quaedam ergo nova, non autem Drachma. nos se vidisse affirmat. Refert nihilomiuus de Brachmanis aliqua se audisse a scholastico quodam Thebaeo, qui, ut ait, ob id ipsum, nempe ut ipsos Brachmanos et videret et alloqueretur, in Indias peregrinari proposuit, et quod tandem miser in captivitatem incurrit.
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First, then, our brother Musaeus, bishop of the Doleneri, reported to me that he himself, some years before, setting out for the Indies with the purpose of seeing the Brachmans, traversed nearly the whole region of Serica: in which, he says, there are trees that produce not only leaves but also a very fine wool, from which garments are made, which are called silken; and that there a certain notable stone column is seen, inscribed with the name of Alexander with this title: I, Alexander, came this far; and that after traversing many peoples, nations, and regions, he finally arrived in the province of Ariana near the river Indus: which, seeing it surrounded by deserts and scorched by heat, because the sun burned everything (whence there was a great scarcity of water, and if it was brought from elsewhere, it was seen to boil immediately even in their vessels), and since he could not endure the heat of the sun and the burning of the places, he was forced at once to abandon the journey he had begun, to withdraw, and to return to Europe (Pliny, Natural History, Book VI, chapter 23). He affirms, therefore, that he saw some new things, but not a Drachma. Nevertheless, he reports that he heard certain things about the Brachmans from a certain Theban scholar, who, as he says, for this very reason, namely to see and speak with the Brachmans themselves, proposed to travel to the Indies, and that finally the wretch fell into captivity.
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Hic ergo, ut mihi episcopus retulit, cam lenioris esset ingenii, in forensis advocationis officio incongruae sibi artis taedio fatigatus, Indiam videre, et Brachmanorum patriam ac mores cognoscere deliberavit. Quocirca cum quibusdam mercatoribus in Erythræo, sive Rubro mari, navim conscendens, navigavit primo sinum Adulicum, et Adulitarum oppidum vidit, mox Aromata promonLorium, et Troglodytarum emporium penetravit, hinc et Assumitarum loca attigit, unde solvens prosperis flantibus ventis, licet plurimam navigalione dierum, Muzirim totius Indiæ citra Gangem emporium tandem pervenit: ubi quemdam Indorum regulum dominari asserebat. Immoratus igitur ibi aliquamdiu, observataque diligenter aeris et loci qualitate, ac hominum consuetudine, per plure? dies, venit ei In mentem ad insulam quae Taprobane vocatur transfretare: in qua illi, quibus beatorum nomen est, longissimam ætatem vivere asseruntur (nam vitam hominum centum annis modicam putant) propter miram aeris temperiem, et incomprehensibilem divini dispositionem judicii (Plinius, lib. VI, cap. 22). Huie quatuor moderantur reges seu satrapæ, inter quos unus est maximus, cui cæteri subjacent, obediuntque, ut ille scholasticus referebat (Ptolemœus, lib. VII Geographiæ c. 4). Narrabat quoque, si credere facile est, mille insulas Arabici et Persici matis, et quas Mammolas vocant, illi obtemperare.
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He, therefore, as the bishop reported to me, being of a gentler disposition, and wearied by the tedium of the forensic advocacy office, a profession unsuited to him, decided to see India and to learn the homeland and customs of the Brachmans. For this reason, embarking on a ship with certain merchants on the Erythraean, or Red, Sea, he sailed first to the Adulic Gulf and saw the town of the Adulitae, then he penetrated the Aromata Promontory and the emporium of the Troglodytae, and from there he touched the places of the Assumitae, whence, setting sail with favorable winds, although after a voyage of very many days, he finally arrived at Muziris, the emporium of all India on this side of the Ganges: where he asserted that a certain Indian prince held dominion. Having lingered there for some time, and having diligently observed the quality of the air and place, and the custom of the men, after several days it came into his mind to cross over to the island which is called Taprobane: in which those to whom the name of the Blessed Ones is given are said to live a very long life (for they consider a human life of a hundred years to be short) on account of the wonderful temperateness of the air and the incomprehensible disposition of divine judgment (Pliny, Book VI, Chapter 22). This island is ruled by four kings or satraps, among whom one is the greatest, to whom the others are subject and obey, as that scholar reported (Ptolemy, Book VII of Geography, Chapter 4). He also related, if it is easy to believe, that a thousand islands of the Arabian and Persian Sea, and those which they call the Mammolae, are obedient to it.
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Hic ille, quem magnetem appellant, reperitHr lapis, qui ferri naturam ad se vi sua trahere dicitur. Cum ergo navis aliqua clavos babens ferreos illic applicuerit, illico retinetur, nec quoquam ire permittitur, vi nescio quadam lapidis occulta impediente, ob id naves ibi ligneis clavis construi dicebat. Quod insula quinque habet flumina, et quidem maxima, quibus tota irrigatur, fertiliorque redditur. Unde et ob maximam caeli clementiam poma nullo umquam tempore arboribus desunt: immo eodem tempore ejusdem arboris dum ramus alter florescit, alter fructus gignit, caeteri maturos ostendunt fructus. Insuper habet insula hæc dactylos, nuces quas Indicas dicimus, grandes et minutas, odoriferas tamen, item et nuces 'quas corylos dicimus. Homines illius terræ aluntur pomorum, oryzx, et lactis cibo; nobiles vescuntur certis quibusdam diebus, etiam solemnibus, ovium, caprarumque carribus. Sues a Thebaide usqne ad Indiæ Æthiopiæque fines aiunt non inveniri ob maximos aestus. Induunt gentes insulae ovium pelles, non spernenda laboratas arte, oves item non lanae, sed setarnm teguntur vellere, nec lanae, nec lini habetur ibi usus, ut narrabat scholasticus, et quod de Æthiopiæ et Persiæ finibus, et Assumitarum locis ibi mercatores emendi, vendendi, permutandique rei gratia conveniunt: et quod piper ibi nascitur, in magnaque colligitur copia.
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Here he discovered the stone which is called the magnet, which is said to draw the nature of iron to itself by its own power. Therefore, when any ship having iron nails has put in there, it is immediately held fast, and is not permitted to go anywhere, hindered by some hidden force of the stone; for this reason, he said, ships are built there with wooden nails. That island has five rivers, and indeed very large ones, by which it is entirely irrigated and made more fertile. Hence, also, because of the great mildness of the climate, fruits are never at any time lacking from the trees; indeed, at the same time, on the same tree, while one branch is flowering, another is producing fruit, and the others display ripe fruits. Moreover, this island has dates, nuts which we call Indian, both large and small, yet fragrant, and also nuts which we call hazelnuts. The men of that land are nourished by the food of fruits, rice, and milk; the nobles feed on the flesh of sheep and goats on certain days, and also on feast days. Swine, they say, are not found from the Thebaid as far as the borders of India and Ethiopia, because of the great heats. The people of the island clothe themselves in the skins of sheep, skillfully worked, not to be despised; sheep are covered not with wool, but with a fleece of bristles; there is no use of wool or linen there, as the scholar related, and that merchants gather there from the borders of Ethiopia and Persia, and from the places of the Assumitae, for the sake of buying, selling, and exchanging goods; and that pepper grows there, and is collected in great quantity.
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Ipsa autem admodum parva atque inntilis gens est, qaae intra speluncas saxeas vivit, et per præcipitia magua discurrere natura patriæ edocta eonsuevit. Piper autem cum ramusculis suis colligitur: ipsas autem arbores quasi quasdam humiles ac parvulas stirpes esse dicebat. Nam et ipsos exiguos homunculos esse, et grandia quædam capita asserit habere cum levibus et detonsis capillis. Reliquum vero jEthiopum atque Indorum genus comis naturaliter erispatis horret. In quo loco (adjecit) ab eo qui illic plurimum poterat, ego illico abreptus atque detentus sum, qui statim coeperat mihi etIam acerbe conviciari, eo quod eorum patriam solumque contingere ausus fuerim. Et illi neque excusationem, nec defenaionem meam aequis animis audiebant, non enim poterant linguæ meae intelligere sermonem, nec ego criminis causam, quod mihi objiciebatur, sciebam, quia illorum verba non noveram, ex solis tantam nutibus nos mutuos intelligere videbamur. Ego qaidem ex aspectu torvo luminum, et ex ssevo dentium stridore poteram verborum significata noscere: illi vero ex pallore meo atque pavore sensas meos misericordia magis dignos suspicabantur. Sic itaqae ab eis detentum, per sexennium me in pristinum opus facere jusserunt, expensa autem ex palatio regis ipsorum unius tantum modii frumenti quolibet anno.
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This people, however, is quite small and useless, living within rocky caves, and, taught by their native land, they have grown accustomed to running about over great precipices. Pepper, moreover, is gathered with its twigs; he said that the trees themselves are like low and small shrubs. For he asserts that these men themselves are tiny little creatures, and that they have rather large heads with smooth and shorn hair. The rest of the Ethiopian and Indian race, however, bristles with naturally curly hair. In which place (he added) I was immediately seized and detained by the one who held the most power there, who at once began to revile me harshly, because I had dared to touch their fatherland and soil. And they listened to neither my excuse nor my defense with fair minds, for they could not understand the speech of my tongue, nor did I know the cause of the crime that was charged against me, because I did not know their words; we seemed to understand each other only by nods. Indeed, I could discern the meaning of their words from the fierce look of their eyes and from the savage gnashing of their teeth; they, however, from my pallor and fear, suspected that my feelings were more worthy of pity. And so, thus detained by them, they ordered me to do my former work for six years, with my expenses from the palace of their king being only one modius of grain in any given year.
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Post sex vero annos, dum paulatim ediscerem eorumdem loquelam, potui multa de vicinis nationibus, locisque cognoscere. Tandem Deo propitio de captivitate hoc modo ereptus sum: Rex alius supradicto huic regi inimicatus, eum apud majorem illius regionis imperatorem accusavit, quod nobilem virum, civemque Romanum in teterrimam captivitatem atque extremum servitium redegisset. Quo imperator audito, confestim illuc cognitorem causæ transmisit, ac deinceps, rei veritate perspecta, protinus eum qui convictus in memorato cnmine videbatur, exui tota sui corporis pelle præcepit, eo quod civi Romano fecisset injuriam (Plinius, lib. VI, cap. 22). Dicuntur autem non solum impensius honorare Romarrorum imperatorem, sed incredibiliter timerc, tamquam qui praeclaro polleat ingenio, ac virtute magnifica, et Romanos eo quod armis atque viribus adeo potentes sint, ut ( si velint) ad regionis ipsorum excidium valeant pervenire. Ipse ergo ille qui ista dicebat, adjiciebat quod genus Brachmanorum non ex propria tantum voluntate sæcularibus rebus renuntiat, sed potius ut ex judicio Dei pendens, acDivinitatis ope suffultum. Naturaliter enim nudi in finitimis fluvii regionibus vivunt. Nulli apud eos quadrupedes, nullus terrae cultus, nullus ferri usus, nullum instrumenti genus, quo fieri aliquod opus possit. Habent autem illie deliciosas atque optimas auras, et saluberrime temperatas ( Q.
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After six years, however, while I was gradually learning their language, I was able to learn many things about the neighboring nations and places. Finally, with God propitious, I was freed from captivity in this manner: Another king, hostile to the aforementioned king, accused him before the greater emperor of that region, that he had reduced a noble man and Roman citizen to the foulest captivity and extreme servitude. When the emperor heard this, he immediately sent an investigator there, and then, after the truth of the matter was examined, he ordered that the one who was convicted of the said crime be flayed of the entire skin of his body, because he had done injury to a Roman citizen (Pliny, Book VI, Chapter 22). They are said not only to honor the emperor of the Romans more earnestly, but also to fear him incredibly, as one who excels in outstanding intelligence and magnificent virtue, and the Romans because they are so powerful in arms and strength that (if they wished) they could reach the point of destroying their region. Therefore, that same man who was saying these things added that the race of the Brachmans renounces secular affairs not only by their own will, but rather as if depending on the judgment of God and supported by the help of the Divinity. For they live naturally naked in the neighboring regions of the river. Among them there are no four-footed animals, no cultivation of the land, no use of iron, no kind of tool by which any work could be done. They have, however, there delightful and very fine breezes, and most healthfully tempered ones.
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Curtius, lib. VIII). Colunt semper Deum, cujus veram quidem ac distinctam notitiam se habere profitentur, omnemque providentiæ ejus ae divinitatis rationem discernere. Jugiter orant, orantes vero non orientalem partem unde oritur sol, aspiciunt, sed cœlum potius intuentur. Edunt autem ea qu:e super terram pecudum more potuerint invenire, hoc est, arbornm lolia, et olera silvestria. Abundat enim apud illos plurimum herba, quam inulam nomine vocamus, sicnt et apud Persas. Item est ibi arbor quæ acanthus nominatur. Habent et patrias arbores quasdam, nescio quos fructus ferentes, quibus vesci semper solent. Viri trans ripam fluminis Gangis in partibus Oceani, in quem iluvius memoratus ingreditur, deguni: feminæ vero citra Gangem juxta mediterraneas partes morantur, ad quas earumdem mariti Julio et Augusto mense transvadere consuescunt. Isti enim menses apud eos frigidiores videntur, eo quod tunc ad nos sol convertitur, et supra Aquilonem quem Boream vocamus vis solis erigitur, quo tempore temperati aeres magis, et ad concubitum magis apti osse dicuntur. Ubi ergo quadraginta cum feminis suis fecerint dies, mox ad propria revertuntur. At cum enixa fuerit uxor alicujus, edideritque unum vel alterum partum, non transit ulterius ad cam ejus maritus, nec ulterius cum propria concumbit uxore.
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Curtius, book 8). They always worship God, professing to have true and distinct knowledge of him, and to discern every principle of his providence and divinity. They pray continually, and when praying they do not look toward the eastern part where the sun rises, but rather gaze at the sky. They eat whatever they can find on the ground in the manner of cattle, that is, the husks of trees and wild vegetables. For among them there is an abundance of a herb which we call inula, as also among the Persians. There is also a tree there called acanthus. They also have certain native trees bearing some fruits, I know not what, which they always eat. The men live across the bank of the river Ganges in the parts of the Ocean into which the said river flows; the women, however, live on this side of the Ganges near the inland regions, to which their husbands are accustomed to cross over in the months of July and August. For these months seem colder to them, because at that time the sun turns toward us and its ray rises above the north wind which we call Boreas, at which time the airs are said to be more temperate and more suitable for intercourse. So when they have spent forty days with their women, they soon return to their own places. But when a man's wife has given birth and produced one or two offspring, her husband no longer crosses over to her, nor does he any longer lie with his own wife.
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Singulis enim filiis in locum patrum substitutis, per lotam de reliquo vitam a propriis se uxoribus abstinent. Si autem acciderit ut quispiam sterilem sortiatur uxorem, usque ad quinque annos maritus ipsius ad eam transit, et ei maritale praestat obsequium. Quae si gravida per tempus illud reddita non fuerit, mox ab eadem penitus separatur: ob quod non in multos populos eorum diffunditur genus, tum propter locorum difficultatem, tum propter consuetudinem continendi. Haec est ergo vita et conversatio Brachmanorum. Fluvium autem ipsum cum maxima dicunt difficultate vadari(Q. Curtius, lib. VIII), tum propter Ondoniton tyrannum loca illa infestantem, tum etiam timore cujusdam animalis in supradicto fluvio morantis, quod tantæ magnitudinis esse dicunt, ut integrum possit elephantem devorare. Eo vero tempore quo Brachmani flumen transire consueverunt, divino asserunt judicio dictum animal non videri in fluvio. MaXimi cnam dracones illic esse dicuntur, habentes septuaginta per longitudinem cubitos, unde ego unius pellem vidisse me memini quadraginta duos in latitudine habentem pedes. Formicas eliam illic esse ad modum palmae hominis, scorpiones vero ad cubili humani mensuram adesse loquuntur: propter quae monstra periculosus est ipsorum transitus locorum. Non tamen ubique animalia ista nascuntur, sed in illis partibus tantum quae ab hominibus non inhabitantur.
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For each son is substituted in the place of the fathers, and for the rest of their lives, after purification, they abstain from their own wives. But if it happens that someone draws a sterile wife, her husband goes to her for up to five years and renders her marital service. If she has not been made pregnant during that time, he is soon separated from her entirely; for this reason their race does not spread into many peoples, both because of the difficulty of the places and because of the custom of continence. This, then, is the life and conduct of the Brachmans. They say that the river itself is crossed with the greatest difficulty (Curtius, book 8), both because of the tyrant Ondoniton infesting those places, and also from fear of a certain animal dwelling in the aforementioned river, which they say is of such great size that it can devour an entire elephant. At the time, however, when the Brachmans are accustomed to cross the river, they assert that by divine judgment the said animal is not seen in the river. Very large snakes are said to be there, having seventy cubits in length, whence I remember having seen the skin of one having forty-two feet in width. They also speak of ants there the size of a man's palm, and scorpions the measure of a human cubit being present; on account of these monsters, their crossing of the places is dangerous. Yet these animals are not born everywhere, but only in those parts which are not inhabited by men.
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Plurimique illic elephantum greges esse dicuntur. Hæc sunt quae a Thebæo scholastico de Braclimanis audivisse se affirmat Musæus: quæ vcro ex historiis de Alexandri Vita legi, et quæ ex plerisqne auctoribus ad hoc facientia de illis desumpsi, nunc subnectam. Alexander imperator, cum ei Macedoniæ solius imperium non sufficeret, neqne Philippo patre tantum posset esse contentus, Jovis Hammonis filium semet esse dicebat. Et quamvis originem ipsius facite ipsa rei veritas comprobaret, fabis quibusdam tamen, et, ut ei videbatur, invictis modis aliam sui esse naturam generis astruebat.
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Very many herds of elephants are said to exist there. These are the things which Musaeus affirms he heard from the Theban scholasticus about the Brachmans; but what I have read in the histories of Alexander's Life, and what I have taken from very many authors bearing on this matter concerning them, I shall now subjoin. The emperor Alexander, when the rule of Macedonia alone was not sufficient for him, and he could not be content with only his father Philip, used to say that he himself was the son of Jupiter Ammon. And although the truth of the matter itself proved his origin to be base, yet by certain fables and, as it seemed to him, invincible means, he asserted a different nature of his own lineage.
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Itaque solemni bc!lorum apparatu, ac instructis equitum pcditumque militum copiis, e Macedoniae regione consurgens, totum pene peragravit mundum: et antequam in provinciam Babylonis accederet, Europam quidem et Asiam veluti quædam parva loca transcurrit: venit tandem in partes nostri quoque orbis, ut eas inspiceret, quasque cum reperisset suis conformes sensibui, ipse dicebat: Sapientia, providentiæ mater, habens cum virtute ipsa, quae omnium virtutum caput est, quamdam communionem, in sola veritate consistens, alens omnem faciensque naturam, cujus donum est nostrorum sermo verborum, notitiam scientiamque communem scrutans et perspiciens, injustis quidem tribuens quae merentur, justis autem parcens: da mibi, quæso, te placidam, ut possim ad illa quæ cupio, his precibus pervenire, Brachmanos vero bonitate ac sapientia præditos viros hic præsentes cernere. Veni enim ut aliqua cognoscerem a Calano, incola horum locorum, qui ad me festinus accessit, quo nunc persuadente desidero ediscere cuncta plenius et videre. Brachmani vero econtra Alexandro ista dicebant: Venisti ad nos, inquiunt, cognoscere sapientiam cupiens: nos autem Brachmani libenter statim talem suscepimus voluntatem. Hujusmodi enim desiderium in vita ac moribus nostris regnum judicatur: quod nunc discere imperator ipse voluisti.
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Therefore, rising from the region of Macedonia with the solemn array of wars and with troops of cavalry and infantry prepared, he traversed almost the entire world; and before he approached the province of Babylon, he ran through Europe and Asia as if they were small places. He finally came into parts of our own world as well, to inspect them, and when he found them conforming to his own sensibility, he himself said: "Wisdom, the mother of providence, having a certain communion with virtue itself, which is the head of all virtues, consisting in truth alone, nourishing and making all nature, whose gift is the speech of our words, examining and perceiving common knowledge and understanding, assigning to the unjust what they deserve, but sparing the just: grant me, I pray, your calm, so that I may attain what I desire through these prayers, and see the Brachmans, men endowed with goodness and wisdom, present here. For I have come to learn something from Calanus, an inhabitant of these places, who hastened to me, and at whose urging I now wish to learn and see everything more fully." The Brachmans, on the other hand, said this to Alexander: "You have come to us, they say, desiring to learn wisdom; we Brachmans willingly at once embrace such a desire. For a desire of this kind in our life and customs is considered a kingdom: which you yourself, the emperor, have now wished to learn.
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Philosophus enim non dominio alterius obtemperat, sed ipse dominatur: homo enim in eum non habet potestatem. Sed quoniam nihil nobis hactenus credens ( eo quod usque ad præsens tempus male de nobis apud te quidem locuti sunl), nunc ad nos vera degustans venisti. Calanus enim vir apud nos pessimus fuit, per quem vos Græci homines Brachmanos agnovistis quidem, bene tamen non potuistis agnoscere. Ille enim non fuit noster, qui,ad divitias sine aliqua sui excusatione transfugit, cui non suffecit de Taberunco fluvio aquam castitatis haurire, neque pressi lactis cibum sumere, quibus Deo digna mens crescit, quam ille Deo semper habuit inimicam, qua male succensus in iram exarsit, quamque de sapientiæ bonis transtulit ad vitia voluptatis. Ex nobis autem nullus in prunis ardentibus volutatur, neque ulli dolores corpora nostra consumunt, sed vita nostra medicamentum aliquod sanituis est. Naturali autem benelicio alieni a divitiis omnibus sumus: æquo etiam vitam nostram mors fine comitatur. Et si interum nonnulli forte mortalium, ad quos falsorum venit doctrina verborum, percutere nos vanis tentant sagitis, ingenuitatem tamen nostram lædere ac vitiare non possunt. Unum atque idem est mentiri et credere mentienti. Nocet enim quis et cui falsa persuadet, nocet et sibi, quia dum mendacio credit, non facile ad ipsam veritatem pervenire valet.
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For a philosopher does not obey the authority of another, but rules himself: a man has no power over him. But since you have believed nothing from us up to now (because until the present time certain persons have spoken ill of us to you), now you have come to us, tasting the truth. For Calanus was a very wicked man among us, through whom you Greeks indeed came to know the Brachmans, but were not able to know them well. For he was not one of us, he who fled to riches without any excuse for himself, for whom it was not enough to draw the water of chastity from the river Taberuncus, nor to take the food of pressed milk, by which a mind worthy of God grows—a mind which he always held as an enemy to God, by which he, badly inflamed, blazed up into anger, and which he transferred from the goods of wisdom to the vices of pleasure. But none of us rolls on burning coals, nor do any pains consume our bodies, but our life is a kind of medicine of health. By a natural benefit we are strangers to all riches: an equal end also accompanies our life with death. And if again some mortals, to whom the teaching of false words has come, attempt to strike us with vain arrows, they cannot, however, harm or corrupt our integrity. To lie and to believe the liar are one and the same. For one who falsely persuades another harms him, and also harms himself, because while he believes a lie, he cannot easily arrive at the truth itself.
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Insimulatio autem mala inimicitiarum quædam et certaminum mater est, quæ ex se iracundiam parit, ex quibus rursus jurgia et bella nascuntur. Nuda tamen virtus est occidere hominern: latronum enim iste, ut novimus, mos est. Sed nos virtutem veram vocamus contra aurarum mutationes nudo corpore dimicare, desideria ventris abscindere, et varias ipsius pugnas abstinentia patienttaque superare. Igitur prius vince hos inimicos ante omnia tuos, si fortis videris tibi, et exinde opus tibi non erit adversum quempiam cerlamina externa committere. Idcirco enim contra eos qui furis sunt, commoves bella, ut istis quos intrinsecus habes, alimenta et fomenta suppedites: sed tu vides quod eos quidem, cum quibus foris dimicas, vincis, ab iis autem quos nosti, qui intra te sunt, superaris. Considera igitur quanti tyranni in stultorum cordibus degunt: oculi, aures, nares, venter, virilia, totumque corpus humanum, quam multa etiam desiderianascunturintrinsecus, quibusomnibus genus mortale succumbit et servit, propter quae cuncta et jugulantur et jugulant.
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But false accusation is a kind of mother of enmities and conflicts, which from itself produces anger, from which in turn quarrels and wars are born. Nevertheless, to kill a man is a naked virtue: for that, as we know, is the custom of bandits. But we call true virtue to fight with a naked body against changes of the winds, to cut off the desires of the belly, and to overcome its various struggles by abstinence and patience. Therefore, first conquer these enemies of yours before all else, if you seem strong to yourself, and thereafter you will have no need to undertake external conflicts against anyone. For you stir up wars against those who are thieves, in order to supply nourishment and fuel to those whom you have within; but you see that you indeed conquer those with whom you fight outside, yet you are overcome by those whom you know, who are within you. Consider, therefore, how many tyrants dwell in the hearts of fools: eyes, ears, nostrils, belly, genitals, and the whole human body, and also how many desires arise within, to all of which the mortal race succumbs and serves, and on account of which all are both slaughtered and slaughter.
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Nos autem Brachmani, quia omnia qua:: intrinsecus habemus bella superamus, jam de reliquo incolumes atque securi in summa pace requiescimus, silvas videmus, cœlumque suspicimus, aquilarum diversarumque avium gratissimas voces semper audimus, nudo sub acre arborum foliis IIOStra corpora contegimus, eorumque fructibus vescimur, aquam bibimus, hymnos Deo canimus, et futuri sæculi vitam desideramus, nullumque quod prodesse nobis non possit, audimus. Ilis ergo nos Brachmani moribus contenti vivimus, paucisque sermonibus agitatis mox tacemus. Vos autem dicitis quidem quæ debeant fieri, nec tamen facitis; philosophum vos nullum putatis, nisi eum qui noverit loqui: vester enim est omnis sensus in lingua, vobisque in oris vestri labiis tota sapientia est. Aurum argentumque colligitis, plurimis servis et magnis domibus indigetis: affectatis honores, et sectamini dignitates, editis ' tantum atque potatis quantum juvat expleri, utimini aeque et vestibus delicatis semper ac mollibus, eaque facitis quorum poenitentiam mox geratis: contra vos ipsos veluti contra inimicos vestros solelis loqui, cum tamen habere vos linguæ propri:e potestatem sciatis. Longe profecto meliores sunt illi qui tacere consueverunt, non enimse ipsos loquendo revincunt.
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But we Brahmans, because we overcome all the wars that we have within ourselves, from now on rest unharmed and secure in the highest peace; we see the forests, we look up at the sky, we always hear the most pleasing voices of eagles and various birds; under the open air we cover our bodies with the leaves of trees, we feed on their fruits, we drink water, we sing hymns to God, and we long for the life of the future age, and we hear nothing that cannot benefit us. Therefore, content with these customs, we Brahmans live, and after a few words have been exchanged, we soon fall silent. But you, on the other hand, say what ought to be done, yet you do not do it; you consider no one a philosopher unless he knows how to speak: for all your sense is in your tongue, and all your wisdom is on the lips of your mouth. You gather gold and silver, you need many slaves and large houses; you covet honors and pursue dignities, you eat and drink only as much as it pleases you to be filled, you always use equally delicate and soft garments, and you do things for which you soon feel repentance; you are accustomed to speak against yourselves as if against your enemies, even though you know that you have power over your own tongue. Far better, indeed, are those who have grown accustomed to silence, for they do not refute themselves by speaking.
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Mutuam mercedem ab omnibus accipitis, gloriosum, ut putatis, ornamentum digitis vestris imponitis aurum: vos quoque reminas videmus ornatos, cum sciatis quod idipsum, in quo magnopere creditis, quantum ad rem pertinet veram, vobis prodesse nihil possit. Auro enim non extolluntur animæ, neque corpora nutriuntur, sed econtra perillud utraque ista vitiantur. Nos autem qui cognoscimus veritatem, ipsamque naturam, si cceperimus sitire, ibimus ad fluvium, aurumque calcantes, aquam bibemus. Auro enim nequit sedari fames, ac sitis nescit exstingui. Non ex auro venit vulnerum cura, non ægrotorum medicina membrorum, non ulla refrenatio cupiditatis immensæ, sed hortatus magis ac provocatio major ad navam nescio quam coucupiscendi libidinem. Et sitis quidem illa naturalis cum fuerit, cum aquam, quam desideravit, acceperit, sitire mox cessat; similiter etiam naturalis fames quando escam quam quærit, acceperit, conquiescit. Si igitur eodem modo, eademque natura aurum qnoque humanus animus desideraret, ubi primum accepisset quod optabat accipere, sine dubio cupiditas et ipsa cessaret: sed nedum ista non cessat, immo semper nova, et sine aliqua intermissione desiderat, quia non ex commonitione nature desiderium tale procedit. Postremo in quo apud vos homines et ornantur et gloriantur, in eodem apud nns spernuntur. Calanus amicus est vester, sed spernitur et calcatur a vobis.
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You receive mutual reward from all, placing, as you think, a glorious ornament on your fingers—gold. We also see you adorned with necklaces, though you know that this very thing in which you so greatly believe, as far as the true matter is concerned, can be of no benefit to you. For souls are not exalted by gold, nor are bodies nourished; on the contrary, through it both of these are corrupted. But we, who know the truth and nature itself, if we begin to thirst, we go to the river, and trampling gold underfoot, we drink water. For hunger cannot be appeased by gold, and thirst knows no quenching by it. From gold does not come the healing of wounds, nor the medicine of ailing limbs, nor any restraint of immense desire, but rather a greater incitement and provocation to some unknown lust for coveting. And indeed, when natural thirst has been satisfied with the water it desired, it soon ceases to thirst; similarly, natural hunger, when it has received the food it seeks, subsides. If, therefore, in the same way and by the same nature, the human mind also desired gold, as soon as it had received what it wished to receive, without doubt that desire itself would cease. But far from ceasing, it always desires anew and without any interruption, because such desire does not proceed from a prompting of nature. Finally, that in which among you men both adorn themselves and take pride, among us is despised. Calanus is your friend, but he is despised and trampled upon by you.
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Qui ergo multorum malorum auctor apud vos fuerit, a vobis honoratur et colitur: qui vero est inutilis, projicitur a nobis: et illa quae nos omnino non quærimus, Calano pro ea quam habuit erga pecuniam cupiditate, placuerunt. Sed non erat noster hic talis, qui animam suam miserabiliter laesit, ac perdidit, ob quod neque Dei neque nostri amicus esse visus est dignus, neque in hoc sæculo inter silvas habere meruit securitatem, neque illam sperare gloriam potuit, quae promittitur in futuro. Alexander imperator ubi venit ad silvas, Dandamim quidem ipsum in transitu videre non potuit (Plutarch., in Vita Alexandri): in silva enim jacebat, recumbens super arborum folia in securitate et pace, proximus fonti, quem quasi uber terræ manis incorrupium atque integrum in os suum emulgere consueverat.Misit autem ei Alexander amicum quemdam nomineOnesicritum (Q.Curt., lib. ix de Gestis Alexandri), dicens ei: Onesicrite, memoratum virum Dandamim ad me venire festina, aut causam propter quam venire noluerit, nuntia, ut ego ipse ad videndum eum pergam. Cui ille respondit: Faciam cum celeritate quod præcipis. Nam sicut jubere tuum est, ita meum ese cognosco tuis jussisobtemperare.
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Whoever, therefore, has been the author of many evils among you is honored and worshipped by you; but whoever is useless is cast out by us. And those things which we do not seek at all pleased Calanus, because of the greed for money which he had. But this man of ours was not such a one, who wretchedly harmed and destroyed his own soul, on account of which he seemed worthy to be a friend neither of God nor of us, nor did he deserve to have security in this world among the forests, nor could he hope for that glory which is promised in the future. When the emperor Alexander came to the forests, he was not able to see Dandamis himself in passing (Plutarch, *Life of Alexander*); for he was lying in the forest, reclining on tree leaves in security and peace, near a spring, which, like a breast of the earth, he was accustomed to draw forth, pure and undefiled, into his mouth. But Alexander sent to him a certain friend named Onesicritus (Quintus Curtius, *History of Alexander*, Book IX), saying to him: "Onesicritus, hasten that the aforementioned man Dandamis come to me, or announce the reason why he was unwilling to come, so that I myself may go to see him." To which he replied: "I will do with speed what you command. For just as it is your command, so I recognize it to be mine to obey your orders.
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Ubi igitur supradictus ad Dandamim nuntius venit, his eum allocutus est verbis: Dixit filius dei Jovis magni, Alexander imperator, qui est dominus generis humani, ut properes ad illum venire, quia tibi, si veneris, plurima dabit munera: si vero venire nolueris, veluti contemptorem te capite puniet. Quæ cum ad Dandamis aures dicta venissent, non surrexit ex foliis, quibus fultus jacebat, sed tale responsum ridens reddidit, ac recumbens: Deus, inquit, maximus parare cuiquam nescit injuriam, sed lumen vitæ rursus iis præstat animis, quæ suo solverit fato. Meus ergo ille solus est dominus, qui homicidia vetat, et qui bella non concitat. Alexander vero non est deus, quia et ipse moriturus est. Quemadmodum igitur potest esse omnium dominus, qui nondum Tyberoboam fluvium transfietavit, neque per totum mundum sedem suam locavit, non zonae Gadem transiit, non in medio orbis cursum solis aspexit? quare gentes plurimæ nec ejus quidem nomen adhuc nosse potuerunt. Si autem non capit eum illa quam possidet terra, fluvium transeat nostrum, et inveniet solum tale, quod norit homines sustinere. Quæcumque mihi Alexander pollicetur, si ea præstiterit, cincta inutilia mihi erunt.
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When the aforementioned messenger came to Dandamis, he addressed him with these words: "Alexander the emperor, son of the great god Jupiter, who is lord of the human race, commands that you hasten to come to him, because if you come, he will give you very many gifts; but if you are unwilling to come, he will punish you with death as a despiser." When these words came to Dandamis's ears, he did not rise from the leaves on which he lay reclining, but, laughing, gave this reply while still lying down: "God," he said, "the greatest, knows not how to prepare injury for anyone, but rather restores the light of life to those souls which his own decree has released. Therefore, my sole master is he who forbids murder and who does not stir up wars. But Alexander is not a god, because he himself is going to die. How, then, can he be lord of all, who has not yet crossed the river Tiberoboam, nor placed his seat throughout the whole world, nor crossed the zone of Gades, nor seen the course of the sun in the middle of the earth? For this reason, very many peoples have not yet been able to know even his name. But if the land he possesses does not contain him, let him cross our river, and he will find soil alone that knows how to sustain men. Whatever Alexander promises me, if he should provide it, will be useless to me.
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Ego enim habeo domum folia, herbis quoque quæ adjacent mihi, vescor, et aquam poto: posthabeo alia quaecumque cum sollicitudine colliguntur ac pereunt, nihilque aliud praeter tristitiam quaerentibus ea atque habentibus præbent. Nunc igitor securus quiesco, clausisque oculis nil omnino custodio. Si aurum voluero servare, somnum meum dissipo: terra mihi omnia, ut lac mater infanti, ministrat. Ad quemcumque accedere voluero locum, vado, quocumque autem ire noluero, nullius sollicitudinis necessitate fompellor. Et si caput meum voluerit abscindere, animam auferre non poterit: sed caput tantummodo jacens tollet, anima vero discedens, caput suum veluti partem vestis alicujus relinquet, ac reddet ci, a quo id susceperat, nempe terræ. Cnm autem factus spiritus fuero, ad Deum qui eum intra hanc carnem inclusit, ascendam. Qui cum hoc fecerit, tentare nos voluit, ut videret quemadmodum discedentes ab eo, in hoc sæculo viveremus. Et postmodum cum ad eum fuerimus reversi, rationem viix hujus a nobis exposcit. Cui assistens ego videbo injuriam meam, ejusque judicium in illos qui injuriosi mihi fuerunt, intuebor; suspiria enim gemitusque læsorum incipient lædentium esse supplicia. Hoc Alexander illis minetur, qui opes desiderant, qui timent mortem, quia nos utrumque contemnimus. Nam Brachmani neque aurum diligunt, neque mortem verentur.
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I have a house of leaves; I feed on the herbs that lie near me, and I drink water. I set aside all other things, which are gathered with anxiety and perish, and which offer nothing but sorrow to those who seek and possess them. Therefore, I now rest in security, and with my eyes closed, I guard nothing at all. If I wished to keep gold, I would disturb my sleep. The earth supplies me with everything, as a mother supplies milk to an infant. I go to whatever place I wish to go, and I am compelled by no necessity of anxiety to go where I do not wish to go. And if he wishes to cut off my head, he will not be able to take away my soul; but he will only lift up the head lying there, while the soul, departing, will leave its head behind like a part of some garment, and will return it to the one from whom it received it, namely the earth. But when I have become a spirit, I shall ascend to the God who enclosed it within this flesh. When he did this, he wished to test us, to see how we would live in this world while separated from him. And afterwards, when we have returned to him, he demands from us an account of this life. Standing before him, I will see my injury, and I will behold his judgment upon those who have done me injury; for the sighs and groans of the injured become the punishments of those who injure. Let Alexander threaten those who desire wealth, who fear death, for we despise both. For the Brachmani neither love gold nor fear death.
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Vade igitur, et hoc Alexandro referas: Nihil tuorum Dandamis quærit, verum si aliquid ex ipsius rebus tu necessarium tibi eae credis, ad eum venire non dedigneris. Qu:e ubi Alexander per internuntium audivit, desiderare plus cœpit ut talem virum videret, utque se, qui multas vicerat gentes, unus et nudus vinceret senex. Pergit igitur cum quinque vel decem I amicis ad eas, quas supra diximus, silvas, et cum venisset ad proximum, atque ex equo, quo vehebatur, exsiliissel, coronam de capite deposuit, omnemque qui circa ipsum erat, superbiæ tumorem relinquens, ad memoratum senem ingressus est solus, et ad pedes ipsius se dedit, hoc dicens: Salve, Dandami, ego ad te veni, quia tu ad me noluisti venire. Cui ille respondit: Ad quid ad nos venisti? aut quid de nostris sollicitudinibus auferre desideras? Quod cupis ipse, nos habere non possumus: quod iterum nos habemus, necessarium tibi non est. Nos honoramus Deum, et amamus hominem; negligimus aurum, contemnimus mortem: vos autem mortem timetis, honoratis aurum, oditis hominem, Deum contemnitis. Ad quem Alexander: Doce, inquit, nos aliquid sapientiæ: plenum aiunt te divinitate, et cum ipso colloqui saepius Deo; ego vero scire desidero in qua re praestantiores Græcis vos ipsos esse dicatis, et in quo aut melius videas quam alii homines, aut amplius sapias.
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Go therefore, and report this to Alexander: Dandamis seeks nothing of yours; but if you believe that anything from his possessions is necessary for you, you should not disdain to come to him. When Alexander heard this through the messenger, he began to desire all the more to see such a man, and that he, who had conquered many nations, might be conquered by one naked old man. He therefore proceeds with five or ten friends to the forests we mentioned above, and when he had come near, and had dismounted from the horse on which he was riding, he removed the crown from his head, and leaving behind all the swelling pride that was about him, he entered alone to the aforementioned old man, and prostrated himself at his feet, saying: Hail, Dandamis, I have come to you because you were unwilling to come to me. To which he replied: Why have you come to us? Or what do you desire to take away from our concerns? What you desire, we ourselves cannot possess; what we have, in turn, is not necessary for you. We honor God and love man; we neglect gold, we despise death: but you fear death, honor gold, hate man, and despise God. To whom Alexander said: Teach us, he said, something of wisdom: they say you are full of divinity, and converse often with God himself; but I desire to know in what respect you consider yourselves superior to the Greeks, and in what you either see better than other men, or know more.
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At ille respondit: Ego, inquit, vellem deferre ad te acceptum a Deo sensum, sed ipse locum nou habes ubi donum tale suscipias. Impleverunt enim animam tuam avidæ atque immodicæ cupiditates, quas nunc mecum certare considero, quia te ab ipsis conor avellere, quamquam hodie plurimum moerent, eo quod morie nullius gentis vel sanguine polluaris, et quia vident adhuc homines in civitatibus commorantes. Tu ad Oceanum usque vis accedere, past quem aliam iterum partem orbis cupis occupare: et tunc tristitia afficeris, cum non potueris habere quod viners. Quomodo ergo satislacere desiderio tuo poteris, cum totus tibi serviens mundus animum tuum explere ac satiare non possit? Minor mundo longe tu factus es, et si omnia simul velis vincere, atque universa quæcumque tenent homines possidere, tandem necesse est at solum habeas quantum aut tu jacentem tenere me cernis, aut ego occupare video te sedentem. Ex quo iterum si ad alia transeamus. et in aliis quoque tibi similes inveuimur. Eodem enim modo quo ipse, omnibus utor elementis, aere, aqua, et terra, nec quidquam ultra habere desidero, et omnia juste habeo quaecumqne possideo, et si solus omnes fluvios obtineas, plus tamen aquæ quun ego, ex ipsis haurire nou poteris. Hanc ergo si a me sapientiam disc..s, nihil tibi deerit: totumque habebis, si nibil desideraveris.
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He replied: "I," he said, "would wish to convey to you the understanding received from God, but you yourself have no place where you might receive such a gift. For your soul is filled with greedy and immoderate desires, which I now consider to be contending with me, because I am trying to tear you away from them, although today they grieve greatly, since you are polluted by the death of no people or blood, and because they see that men still dwell in cities. You wish to go as far as the Ocean, and beyond that you desire to seize another part of the world: and then you are afflicted with sadness when you cannot have what you want. How, then, will you be able to satisfy your desire, when the whole world serving you cannot fill and sate your mind? You have become far lesser than the world, and if you wish to conquer everything at once, and to possess all that men hold, in the end it is necessary that you have only as much as either you see me lying down holding, or I see you sitting occupying. From which, if we pass to other matters, we are found to be similar to you in other respects as well. For in the same way as you, I use all the elements—air, water, and earth—nor do I desire to have anything beyond, and I justly have all that I possess; and if you alone obtain all the rivers, you will still not be able to draw more water from them than I. Therefore, if you learn this wisdom from me, nothing will be lacking to you: and you will have everything, if you desire nothing.
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Cupidilas enim paupertatis est mater, quæ medicamento malo, hoc est, sollicitudine nequit curari: quae ita semper omuia quaerit, quasi invenire nil possit: quia nou in iis, ad quæ jam potuit pervenire, requiescit, sed ex illis quae necdum tenere sc cernit, magis magisque cruciatur. Habebis autem maximas cum voluptate opes, si ita mecum vivere voles: et si meis acquieveris verbis, meas divitias possidebis. Amicus mihi est omnium Deus, et de ipsis cum eodem rebus loquor, malorum hominum verba non audio. Cœlum habeo pro tecto, terra milii tota pro lecto esi. Fluvii mihi putum ministrant, mensam silva suppeditat. Non vescor animalium visceribus, ut leones, neque intra pectora mea inclusae quadrupedum aut volatilium carnes putrescunt, nec sum mortuorum sepulcrurn, sed providentia naturalis omnes mibi fructus ut lac mater infundit. Intelligo ipse quid quæras. Sapientem me vides, talis et factus sum, itaque vivo ut procreatus. sum, et quæ Deus faciat agnosco, et quid fieri debeat scio.Vos autem vanitate magna repleti, præsagire vos creditis, cum tamen haec ipsa quæ per singulos videtis dies, Dei opera intelligere nesciatis. Ego cuncta cognosco, ei unde, et quando, et quomodo fiant. Pluvias, siccitates, fulmina, tempestatesque præsagio: et hoc est quod me delectat ac reficit, quia Deus habere me communionem quamdam atque consilium cum operibus suis fecit.
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Covetousness is the mother of poverty, which cannot be cured by any evil remedy, that is, by anxiety: for it always seeks everything, as if it could find nothing, because it does not rest in those things to which it has already been able to attain, but is more and more tormented by those which it sees it does not yet hold. But you will have the greatest riches together with pleasure, if you are willing to live with me in this way: and if you acquiesce in my words, you will possess my wealth. God, the friend of all, is a friend to me, and I speak with him about the same matters; I do not hear the words of evil men. I have the sky for a roof, the whole earth is my bed. Rivers provide me with pure drink, the forest supplies my table. I do not feed on the entrails of animals, like lions, nor do the flesh of quadrupeds or birds rot within my breast, nor am I a tomb for the dead, but natural providence pours forth all fruits for me like a mother’s milk. I myself understand what you seek. You see me wise; such I have become, and I live as I was created, and I recognize what God does, and I know what ought to be done. But you, filled with great vanity, believe that you can foretell, although you do not even know how to understand these very works of God which you see day by day. I know all things, both whence, and when, and how they come to be. I foretell rains, droughts, lightning, and storms: and this is what delights and refreshes me, because God has made me share in a certain communion and counsel with his works.
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Ad me quemudmodum angelus venit, et si quando aliquid timuerit imperator, tunc ego deprecor Deum ut boni aliquid ei, cum ad me venerit, præstet, ut eum metu quo laborat, absolvat, utque ei fiduciam quamdam mentis inspiret. Quid esse rectius dicis, lædere homines, an tueri alque servare, et quid magis convenit fa. cere filiis Dei, aut evertere cuncta pugnando, an expugnata, et diruta instaurare pacando? Non libi proderit, imperator, enorme pondus auri, neque elephantorum, quos sustulisti aliis, multitudo: sed hæc vox mea, et is meus sermo. Tu vero etiainsi me interficere volueris, non timebo, ibo enim ad Deum citius, qui et causam et vitam meam novit. Nihil est quod Deum latere possit, cujus oculi sunt omnes stellae, sol, et luua, quae omnia tu effugere non potes, neque in te judicium ejus evadere. Noli igitur tu destruere quæ ille construxit: noli tu cupere dissipare ea quae ille, qui ea fecit, ornare desiderat: noli immolare sanguinem civitatum, neque transire supra gentium mortuarum cadavera. Longe enim rectius feceris si tuam curaveris vitam, quam si alienam desideraveris mortem: et si, contemptis iis quæ prosequeris damnis, vera elegeris lucra. Cur cum unam persequeris animam, tot simul vis exstinguere nationes? Quid delectaris totius saeculi malis? quid, aliis flentibus, rides?
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To me an angel comes, and if ever the emperor fears something, then I beseech God to grant him some good when he comes to me, to free him from the fear with which he labors, and to inspire in him some confidence of mind. What do you say is more right, to harm men or to protect and preserve them, and what is more fitting for the sons of God to do, to overthrow everything by fighting, or to restore what has been attacked and ruined by pacifying? A huge weight of gold will not profit you, emperor, nor the multitude of elephants which you have taken from others, but this voice of mine and this speech of mine. And even if you should wish to kill me, I will not be afraid, for I will go to God more quickly, who knows both my cause and my life. There is nothing that can be hidden from God, whose eyes are all the stars, the sun, and the moon, which you cannot escape, nor evade his judgment in yourself. Do not therefore destroy what he has built: do not desire to scatter what he, who made it, wishes to adorn: do not sacrifice the blood of cities, nor pass over the corpses of dead peoples. For you will act far more rightly if you care for your own life than if you desire another's death: and if, despising those losses which you pursue, you choose true gains. Why, when you pursue one soul, do you wish to extinguish so many nations at once? Why do you delight in the evils of the whole world? Why, when others weep, do you laugh?
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Hoc ipso tamen, quod memor mei, qui in solitudinibus his vivo, esse voluisti, temetipsum lucratus es. Neque nunc aut certamina pertimescis, aut laedere quemquam cupis, aut virtutem tuam in aliorum malis, quod fecisti semper, exerces. Projice igitur a corpore tuo vellera ovium mortuarum, neque defunctis volueris te operire tegminibus; magis euim ipse cum talem te feceris, bonorabis, qaia temperatur anima in desertis vivens locis. Hoc igitur vitae nostrae propositum magis elige, cujus beatitudine plus quam apud Macedones frui poteris. Qui quidem te per singulos exspectant dies, ut rcliquas tecum diruaut civitates, et quæcumque in ipsis valuerint invenire diripiant: quosque in praesenti die tristari arbitror ac dolere, quod incolumes adhuc quasdam videant nationes, occasionem nanciscentes cupiditatum ac rapinarum suarum auctoritatem nominis tui. Quam ergo securam in Deo vitam poteris obtinere, et ut tibi ipse jam vivas, qui nuuc adhuc multa cogitas rapere, multos trucidare desideras: ex quibus jam aliqua fecisti, alia in præsenti facis, alia facturum te esse promittis?
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Yet by this very fact, that you have wished to be mindful of me, who live in these solitudes, you have gained yourself. And now you neither dread conflicts, nor desire to harm anyone, nor exercise your virtue in the misfortunes of others, as you have always done. Therefore, cast from your body the fleeces of dead sheep, and do not wish to cover yourself with the garments of the deceased; for you will honor yourself more if you have made yourself such, since the soul is tempered by living in deserted places. Therefore, choose rather this purpose of our life, by whose blessedness you will be able to enjoy more than among the Macedonians. They indeed await you day by day, so that they may destroy the remaining cities with you, and plunder whatever they can find in them; and I think they are sad and grieve on this present day, because they still see some nations unharmed, seizing the opportunity for their own desires and plunders through the authority of your name. What a secure life in God, then, will you be able to obtain, and to live for yourself now, who still now think of seizing many things, desire to slaughter many: of which you have already done some, are doing others at present, and promise that you will do still others?
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Ego vero cum ex hoc mundo recessero, in aere positum te videbo: et tunc quidem sermonem praedicabis meum, quia te multitudo equitum vel peditum nulla comitabitur, et cum maximo mentis tuae dolore deflebis, boc dicens: Sine causa perdidi totius retroacti temporis vitam, quam in honoribus istius mundi, bellisque consumpsi. Ex quibus intelliges nibil tibi aliud te reliquisse, nisi memoriam solam malorum. Novi enim ego quæ Divinitas intra se babeat, cum tamen ip.e sim apud homines constitutus, mihique tunc ista dices: Bona consilia, Dandamis, mihi aliquando praebebas. Tunc enim ante conspectum tuam venient omnes quas sine causa expugnaveris animas, apud quas quomodo excusare te poteris? Libenter haec et sine ulla iracundia Alexander audiebat: erat euim in Dandami spiritus Dei: sed, instigante daemone malo, inter ipsa principia mutabater Alexander. Unde his alloquebatur Dandamim verbis: Scio vera te dicere, de divino enim genere descendens, in bis constitutus es locis, ubi nunc tibi sine ulla molestia, sed cum maxima voluptate vivere licet, et ubi naturalibus divitiis I'rueris et quiete secura.
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But I, when I have departed from this world, will see you placed in the air; and then indeed you will proclaim my teaching, because no multitude of horsemen or foot soldiers will accompany you, and with the greatest grief of your mind you will weep, saying this: "I have wasted the life of all past time without cause, which I consumed in the honors of this world and in wars." From these things you will understand that nothing else has been left to you except the mere memory of evils. For I know what divinity holds within itself, although I myself am placed among men, and then you will say this to me: "You used to give good counsel, Dandamis, to me at one time." For then before your sight will come all the souls which you have attacked without cause, before whom how will you be able to excuse yourself? Alexander listened to these things willingly and without any anger, for the spirit of God was in Dandamis; but, with the evil demon goading him, Alexander changed at the very beginnings. Hence Dandamis addressed him with these words: "I know that you speak the truth, for you are descended from divine lineage, and you are placed in these places where now it is permitted for you to live without any trouble, but with the greatest pleasure, and where you enjoy natural riches and secure peace.
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Ego vero inter tumultus varios ac formidines vivo, plurimosque ex ipsis qui me custodiunt timeo, et major mihi plerumque ab amicis metus quam ab hostibus venit, quorumque amplius quotidie quam inimicorum meorum insidias per timesco: et neque sine ipsis degere queo, neque itlis me possum credere: vivo igitur in afflictione; quos enim vereor, eorum constipatione custodior. Diebus quidem totis varias gentes prosequor ac fatigo, noctibus vero me somnus turbat ac vexat, ne quis in me inopinatus hostis impetum faciat: ct si occidero quos formido, tristis efficior; si rursum lenis ac mitis voluero esse, contemnor. Et quemadmodum a tantis rerum periculis me eripiam ignoro. Nam et si voluero in his desertis, in quibus vos degitis, vivere, id mihi penitus non licebit ob qnod apud Deum nunc excusare me possum, quia ipse me in hujusmodi vitae statu, et in tali ordine hominum collocavit. Tu vero pro istis quas ego fudi querelis, quia me per omnia recreasti, ac sensus paulisper meos a conflictationibus et praeliis liherasii: dona mea suscipe, neque ea quae tibi offero, in contumeliam mei volueris recusare. Mibi enim, quando sapientiam honorare fecisti, non modicum profuisti. Hisque finitis, innuit servis Alexander ut munera quae spoponderat, exhiberent. Qui mox auri argentique optimas species, diversasque vestes cum olco ac panibus obtulerunt.
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I, however, live amid various tumults and terrors, and I fear very many of those who guard me; and often greater fear comes to me from friends than from enemies, and I dread the plots of the former more daily than those of my foes. And I can neither live without them, nor can I trust myself to them. Therefore I live in affliction; for I am guarded by the very throng of those whom I fear. By day, indeed, I pursue and exhaust various peoples; by night, sleep disturbs and torments me, lest some unexpected enemy make an attack upon me. And if I kill those whom I dread, I become sad; if, on the other hand, I wish to be gentle and mild, I am despised. And I do not know how I may snatch myself from such great perils of affairs. For even if I wished to live in these deserts in which you dwell, this would not be permitted to me at all, on account of which I can now excuse myself before God, because He Himself placed me in this state of life and in such an order of men. But you, for these complaints which I have poured forth, because you have refreshed me in every way and have freed my senses for a little while from conflicts and battles, accept my gifts, and do not wish to refuse what I offer to you, to my dishonor. For you have profited me not a little when you caused wisdom to be honored. And when these things were finished, Alexander signaled to his servants to bring forth the gifts which he had promised. They immediately offered the finest kinds of gold and silver, various garments, along with oil and bread.
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Quibus visis Dandamis risit, hoc dicens: Num quid suadere avibus istis potes, qui in locis silvestribus vivunt, ut aurum argentumque suscipiant, et melius quam consuerunt, canant? Quod cum fieri omnino non possit, me illis vis esse pejorem? Cur illud accipiam, quod neque edi a me, neque potari potest? Cur accipiam quod mihi nullatenus prosit? Aut quam ob rem id custodiam, quo uti nequeam, nisi forte ut animam meam per omnia liberam hujusmodi nexibus ligem? Cur ingenuitatem ipsius frustra jugo turpissimæ servitutis addicam? Quod ego numquam prorsus efficiam. Sed neque emere quidquam volo, qui in solitudinibus ubi nihil venditur, vivo. Munera mibi Deus, hoc est, fructus istorum locorum, præbet. Nihil enim auro homini vendit Deus, sed sapientiam bonam ei qui noverit eam accipere, largitur. Veste velatus sum cum qua me matris meae edidit partus. Aere hoc ut cibo vescor, libenter video me talem, dum nullis corpus meum nexibus gravo: omnique mihi melle dulcior est, ubi naturalis venerit sitis, aquae potus exfluvio. Si autem et panes istos dices habere aliquam voluptatem, cur eos incendisti llammis? Reliquias ego ignis escam facere meam nolo; neque in cibos convertere meos cupio quod de alieno ore sustulerim. Hos ergo panes ipse qui coxit ignis absumat. Sed ne aliquam tibi, qui sapientiam honoras, injunam a me aestimes irrogari, oleum tantummodo istud accipio.
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Having seen these things, Dandamis laughed, saying this: Can you persuade those birds that live in wooded places to accept gold and silver, and to sing better than they are accustomed? Since this cannot happen at all, do you think me worse than them? Why should I accept what can neither be eaten nor drunk by me? Why should I accept what is of no use to me at all? Or for what reason should I guard that which I cannot use, unless perhaps to bind my soul, free in all things, with such fetters? Why should I vainly subject its freedom to the most shameful yoke of servitude? This I will never do at all. But I do not wish to buy anything either, since I live in deserts where nothing is sold. God provides me with gifts, that is, the fruits of these places. For God sells nothing to man for gold, but bestows good wisdom upon him who knows how to receive it. I am clothed with the garment with which my mother’s birth brought me forth. I feed on this air as food, and gladly see myself such, while I burden my body with no bonds; and sweeter to me than any honey is the drink of flowing water when natural thirst comes. But if you say that those loaves have some pleasure, why did you burn them with flames? I do not wish to make the remnants of fire my food; nor do I desire to turn into my food what I have taken from another’s mouth. Therefore, let the fire that baked these loaves consume them. But lest you think that any insult is inflicted on you, who honor wisdom, by me, I accept only that oil.
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Quæ ubi Dandamis dixit, continuo surrexit, ac silvam peragrans, et colligens ligna, molem ex iis maximam fecit, quam igne succendens, his locutus est verbis: Brachmanus, inquit, omnia habet, et abunde ex omnibus, ut cupit, pascitur. Infusoque oleo mox, pyraque vehementer incensa, ta lem cecinit hymnum Deo: Immortalis, inquit, Deus, tihi ego in omnibus gratias ago. Quæ ubi Alexander vidit, abscessit, cuncta secum, præter oleum, quae exhibuerat, reportans, summopere stupens. Dandamis vero hoc etiam sermonibus suis addidit, dicens: Tales universi nos sumus. Calanus vero pessimus vir judicatus est a nobis, eo quod vestræ se exhibuit præsentiæ, et nostram non imitatus est vitam; et quia cum amator Dei esse non posset, fngit a nobis, et migravit ad Graecos, contemptisque moribus nostris, se ipsum damnavit immortalibus flammis. Tu vero Macedonum malae gentis dominum esse te dicis, Brachmanos vituperas, et interfici omnes jubes, credens eorum mendacibus verbis, quod bonum virum facere non oportet. Nos vero rationem vitae propriæ Deo novimus reddituros tunc, cum ad eum fuerimus profecti. Omnes euim ipsius sumus, gloriam vanam contemnimus, quod stulti facere non possunt. Quemadmodum vos transire ad consuetudinem 'nostram valetis, qui tam male vivitis, et qui semper illa qu:c bona sunt, datis oblivioni?
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When Dandamis had said these things, he immediately rose up, and, traversing the forest and gathering wood, made a very great pile of it, which he set on fire, and spoke these words: "The Brachman," he said, "has everything, and is abundantly nourished from all things as he desires." And having soon poured oil on it, and the pyre being vehemently kindled, he sang this hymn to God: "Immortal God," he said, "I give thanks to you for all things." When Alexander saw this, he departed, carrying back with him everything except the oil which he had offered, greatly amazed. Dandamis, however, added this also to his words, saying: "We are all such as this. Calanus, however, was judged by us to be a very bad man, because he showed himself to your presence and did not imitate our life; and because, since he could not be a lover of God, he fled from us and migrated to the Greeks, and, having despised our customs, condemned himself to immortal flames. But you, who say you are the master of the evil race of Macedonians, disparage the Brachmans and order all to be killed, believing their lying words, which a good man ought not to do. We, however, know that we shall render an account of our own life to God then, when we have set out to him. For we are all his; we despise vain glory, which fools cannot do. How can you pass over to our custom, who live so badly, and who always consign to oblivion those things which are good?
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Nos vero Brachmani, memores quemadmodum procreati aliquando fuerimus, et videntes propter quæ vivere debeamus, irreprehensibilem vivendi cursum tenemns, unumquemque enim Deus certo propositi ejus, cui deputalus est, fine formavit. Laetamur in desertis locis, et in mediis silvis sedentes, et in his tantum sensibus nostris occupati sumus, ne umquam sermones hominum animas nostras ab institutis talibus valeant separare. Beatus est ille qui nullius indiget, et Qui non alienam gloriam cupit, et qui placere vult omnibus, necesse est ul sit omnium servus. Nobis necessariae nun sunt civitates, in quibus latronum multitudo colligitur: magnas vero domos nobis exstruxit Deus, ac præstitit, montes pariter, ac silvas: ex quibus simplices sumimus fructus, et purae dona naturae aquas bibimus: libepterque nosmetipsos reCcicntes post laborem, iis foliis incubamus. Quomodo potestis ingenuis heminibus imperare, cum sciatis vos in potestate multorum esse? Vos enim vestris in omnibus quae concupiscunt, servitis animabus. Nam si multas habere vestes desideratis, non ut paucos greges ovium pascatis, non ut paucos qui ipsas tondeant oves, et a quibus ipsae lanæ intexantur, necesse habetis artifices. Quid excusaris quod mollia vestimenta non habeas? Æqualis enim servitus esse probatur in minoribus et majoribus rebus.
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We Brachmans, however, mindful of how we were once begotten, and seeing for what ends we ought to live, hold to an irreproachable course of life; for God has formed each one according to a fixed purpose, to which he is assigned. We rejoice in desert places, and sitting in the midst of forests, we are occupied only with these senses of ours, lest the words of men ever be able to separate our souls from such established practices. Blessed is he who lacks nothing, and who does not covet another's glory; and he who wishes to please everyone must necessarily be the slave of everyone. Cities, in which a multitude of thieves gathers, are not necessary for us; God has built and provided for us great houses: mountains and forests alike; from them we take simple fruits, and we drink the pure gifts of nature, water; and more freely, after labor, we lie down to rest on leaves. How can you command free men, when you know that you are in the power of many? For you serve your own souls in all things which you desire. For if you desire to have many garments, you need not only a few flocks of sheep to pasture, not only a few men to shear those sheep, and those from whom the wools themselves are woven, but you also need artisans. Why do you make excuses that you do not have soft clothing? For equal servitude is proven to exist in lesser and greater matters.
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Nam qui exiguum miratur aurum, et multum desiderabit: et qui parv:e civitatis fuerit imperator, et majori cupiet imperare. Præterea etiam ex modica perpetuæ portione, quae in vestris splendet vestibus, superbitis: et cum vestris famulis fuerint indumenta purpurea, vos pulchrius esse aliquid existimantes, vestra colore altero splendere curatis. Si autem hoc apud vos bonum non videtur, pauperes judicamini, dum parva miramini. Animalia libenter occiditis quæ terra progenuit: quæ tamen ipsi plurimum vobis prodesse cognoscitis; quaedam enim ex ipsis tondentur, alia mulgentur: cum quibusdam agrum colitis. cum aliis dimicatis: quorum postea eo quod funditis cruorem, gaudetis, talemque mercedem ipsis, quae perutilia vobis fuerint, redditis vicem: et quorum vellera vos extrinsecus velant eorumdem vos carnes intrinsecus onerant, et incipitis esse corporum mortuorum sepulcra viventia. Tantis ergo tamque inconvenientibus rebus, tamque contrariis mens gravata, potest in se recipere Dei sensum? Dimitte paulisper memoratorum animalium carnes, quae occidis, sic jacere, et quid ex ipsis fiat intellige. Numquid poteris fetorem ipsarum ferre non fugiens? Quantae sordes, quantae impuritates animabus atque corporibus inferuntur humanis, quas cum ipse tolerare non possis, includuntur intra illos, atque ab illis inferuntur, a quibus cibi tales desiderantur.
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For whoever marvels at a small amount of gold will also desire a great deal; and whoever has been the ruler of a small city will also wish to rule over a larger one. Moreover, even from a modest portion of the everlasting, which gleams in your garments, you become proud; and when your servants have purple garments, you, deeming yourselves to be something more beautiful, take care that your own attire shines with a different color. If, however, this does not seem good among you, you are judged poor while you marvel at small things. You willingly kill the animals which the earth has produced, though you yourselves recognize that many of them are of great benefit to you; for some of them are shorn, others are milked; with some you till the field, with others you fight; afterward you rejoice in shedding their blood, and you give such a reward in return to those which have been so useful to you; and those whose fleeces cover you outwardly, their flesh burdens you inwardly, and you begin to be living tombs of dead bodies. Can a mind weighed down by so many and such unsuitable and such contrary things receive within itself the sense of God? Put aside for a little while the flesh of the aforementioned animals which you kill, and let it lie thus, and understand what becomes of it. Will you be able to bear its stench without fleeing? How much filth, how much impurity is brought upon human souls and bodies, which, when you yourself cannot tolerate it, is shut up within those who desire such foods, and is brought in by them.
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Anima iracundiam parit, ista concreant vomitum: terra vero fructus et flores, qui foras emissis bonis odoribus placent. Tales epulas nobis plantavit Deus, ac præstitit: humanos sensus vos penitus perdidistis. Corpora vestra feras male olent: receptacula enim estis | ecudum mortuarum: leonibus lupisque pejores esse coepistis. Lupi enim, si uti terrenis pabulis possent, numquam profecto carnibus vescerentur. Tauri, equi, cervi justis herbarurn pastibus vivunt, unde et vatidioribus membris, et nervis fortioribus roborantur. Cur haec animalia magis non vultis imitari? Cur non editis silvestria, et aquam bibitis? Sed causa ignis hujusmodi epulas vobis praeparatis quas cum non esse cernitis bestias fortiores, ideo vestris non urgentur insidiis; vos enim quaeritis cives plures, expensas plurimas facitis, et in parvis rebus plurimum laboratis propter exiguam voluptatem: ubi nihil est nisi eorum aperta perditio, in quibus fuerit labor vanus. Ergo nihil est vestra infelicius vita.
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Anger gives birth to the soul; these things together produce vomiting: but the earth yields fruits and flowers, which please by emitting good odors when sent forth. Such feasts God has planted and provided for us: you have utterly lost your human senses. Your bodies stink like wild beasts: for you are receptacles of dead animals: you have begun to be worse than lions and wolves. For wolves, if they could use earthly foods, would certainly never feed on flesh. Bulls, horses, deer live on the just pasturage of herbs, whence they are strengthened with more robust limbs and stronger sinews. Why do you not rather imitate these animals? Why do you not eat wild foods and drink water? But the cause of fire prepares such feasts for you, which, since you see that stronger beasts do not eat them, are therefore not pressed by your snares; for you seek more citizens, you incur very great expenses, and you labor very much over small things for the sake of slight pleasure: where there is nothing but the open ruin of those in whom there has been vain labor. Therefore nothing is more wretched than your life.
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Nos numquam bibimus inviti, sed necessarium siti ex fontibus naturæ implemus officium; qui etiam non bibentibus nobis defluunt semper: vos vero propter ventris voluptatem, et non esurientes quæritis juges cibos, et quibusdam artibus vobis multas atque diversas epulas praeparatis: excurrilis omne retibus mare, in aere volitantium, in montibus bestiarum venatione gaudetis, canumque vestrorum velocitatem mirantes, ferarum reprehenditis tarditatem, atque habitatrices eas malarum solitudinum nominatis. Istis igitur rebus insistitis haec animantia investigare, hæc investigata festinatis occidere, aut viventia caveis clausa defertis ad spectacula civitatum: non ut fruges seratis, ex quibus famem, neque ut exinde necessarium aliquod officium hominibus præbeatis, sed ut proximum ac sanguinis vestri, et opus ( quod est majus) Dei, cum summo dedecore trucidetis, vel ut violenter vinculis illigatum ferarum morsibus ingeratis. Et hoc ipsum libenter aspicitis, quod cum hominibus ferae pugnent, et quod illae partem naturæ, vestrae ac similitudinis devorent: postea vero ilias prorsus feras occiditis, ut crudeles easdem, eo quod occiderint hominem, esse dicatis: et, quod adhuc scelestius videtur ac pejus, humano sanguine saturati, necdum tot tantisque malis expleti, vestrorum cupitis civium ventres replere.
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We never drink unwillingly, but we fulfill the necessary duty of nature from springs when thirsty; these flow always, even when we are not drinking. You, however, for the pleasure of the belly, seek constant foods even when not hungry, and prepare for yourselves many and diverse feasts by various arts: you scour the entire sea with nets, you delight in hunting birds in the air and beasts on the mountains, and, admiring the speed of your dogs, you reproach the slowness of the wild animals, and call them dwellers of evil deserts. Thus you persist in these pursuits, tracking down these living creatures, and once tracked, you hasten to kill them, or, while alive, you bring them shut up in cages to the spectacles of cities: not to sow crops, from which you might relieve hunger, nor to provide any necessary service to men from them, but to slaughter with the utmost disgrace your neighbor and your own blood, and (what is greater) the work of God, or to violently cast them, bound in chains, to the bites of wild beasts. And you willingly watch this very thing, that beasts fight with men, and that they devour part of nature, your likeness; afterwards, however, you kill those same beasts outright, declaring them cruel because they killed a man: and, what seems even more wicked and worse, sated with human blood, not yet filled with so many and such great evils, you desire to fill the bellies of your fellow citizens.
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Ad hæc, tam dedecorosis, tamque pravis moribus vivitis, ut et vobis calidas superædificetis domos, quibus ad vestram explendam voracitatem comesta digeri citius compellantur. Insuper et ut proprii corporis iutestina nimia ciborum repletione distendantur: lautiores eligitis epulas, unde peritos quosque procuratis artifices condiendis atque ordinandis epulis. Nos autem precamur Deum, ne aliquando sitiamus: nam hoc interdum modo a regula veritatis abstrahimur, hoc est, tunc cum necessarium potum nostro corpori damus, ob quod postea oculos et manus nostras, veluti sacrificium aliquod, ad radios solis agentes extollimus. At vos etiam læti estis quoties supra modum convivia vestra celebratis, nec ante vestris commessationibus finem imponitis, quam nimia ebrietate furere incipiatis, et donec ipsum quod sapere videbamini, bibendo perdatis: et nimio lini pondere sensus vestri cordis oneratis. Fcliciores profecto apud vos esse crediderim eos qui insanire dicuntur. Illi enim semper ebrii sunt, cum tamen vinum non emerint: vos autem pro pretio vini nimiam sollicitudinem geritis: quo empto vosmetipsos ebrietate polluitis, vosque invicem verberatis, ac tandem ad sobrietatem reversi, vix potestis agnoscere quemadmodum ebrietatem vestram custodire valeatis.
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To these things you live with such shameful and depraved habits that you even build heated houses for yourselves, so that what you have eaten may be forced to be digested more quickly to satisfy your gluttony. Moreover, to have the intestines of your own body distended by excessive repletion of foods, you choose more sumptuous feasts, for which you procure skilled craftsmen to season and arrange the banquets. We, however, pray to God that we may never be thirsty; for we are sometimes drawn away from the rule of truth in this way, that is, when we give necessary drink to our body, on account of which we afterwards raise our eyes and hands, like some sacrifice, to the rays of the sun. But you are even joyful whenever you celebrate your feasts beyond measure, and you do not put an end to your carousings until you begin to rage with excessive drunkenness, and until you lose by drinking that very thing which you seemed to know; and you burden the senses of your heart with an excessive weight of wine. I would indeed believe those who are said to be mad to be more fortunate among you. For they are always drunk, although they have not bought wine; but you bear excessive anxiety for the price of wine: having bought it, you pollute yourselves with drunkenness, and you beat each other, and finally, having returned to sobriety, you can scarcely recognize how you are able to guard your drunkenness.
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Audio etiam quod plurima comedentes ea digerere non potestis: et cum tandem a convivii voracitate vix recesseritis, omnia quæ vos explere solent evomitis: ipsamque mutantes perverso more naturam, ex eadem parte qua escas capitis, egeratis: i capite, non pedibus ambulantes. stultissimi homines, impletis ingluvie viscera vestra atque distenditis, ut postea iterum arte medicorum corpora vestra vacuetis: turpitudinem per haec vobis maximamque ægritudinem quærentes, adeoque estis insani, ut ipsam cupiatis evertere tali curatione naturam, quae nullam penitus sentiat voluptatem: finem habentes voracitatis immodicae supplicium, non salutem; insatiabilia enim membra fieri ex morbis continuo solent, tormenta comitantur, ita ut postremum quod honestae ac probæ vitae ex tantis deliciis conferatur nihil habeatis. Sed jactare vos audio quia plurima possidetis: qui tamen cum aliis multa donetis, vestris admodum pauca praestatis. Unde vos magis pauperes judicamus, quia ne panem quidem ipsum parentibus datis, innumeras autem habere opes desideratis.' Servi ventris vos estis, propterea maxima - apud vos turba medicorum est, qui assidua vos purgatione evacuant: faciunt autem id aut jejunio vel Inedia, aut arte medicaminum: ut qui plurima vina solebatis haurire, subito ne aquae quidem modicam quantitatem possitis accipere, quoties aegritudinum necessitate vexamini.
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I also hear that you eat so many things that you cannot digest them, and that when you have at last barely withdrawn from the voracity of a banquet, you vomit up everything that usually fills you; and, perversely changing your very nature, you excrete from the same part by which you take in food: you walk on your head, not on your feet. Most foolish men, you fill and distend your entrails with gluttony, so that afterwards you again empty your bodies by the art of physicians: seeking through these things shame and the greatest sickness for yourselves, and you are so insane that you wish to overturn nature itself by such a cure—nature which feels no pleasure at all—having as the end of immoderate voracity not health, but punishment; for insatiable limbs are usually produced from diseases, torments accompany them, so that in the end you have nothing from such great delights that is conferred upon an honorable and upright life. But I hear you boast that you possess many things: yet, although you give much to others, you provide very little to your own. For that reason we judge you more poor, because you do not even give bread itself to your parents, yet you desire to have countless riches. You are slaves of your belly; therefore the greatest crowd of physicians is among you, who constantly empty you by purgation: and they do this either by fasting or starvation, or by the art of medicines: so that those who used to drink many wines suddenly cannot take even a moderate amount of water, whenever you are afflicted by the necessity of illnesses.
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Et sicut tunc ultra naturam multum meri bibitis, ita nunc parum quoque aquæ, quod exposcit ipsa natura, desideratis. Nos vero vinum quidem omnino non quaerimus, aquam autem habemus quam solam volumus, et qua maxime delectamur, et sapienter curamus sitim. Non furere et insanire properamus, magisque nobis mortem, quam ebrietatem precamur, per quam necesse est homines totis et corporibus et sensibus interire. Ebrius enim videtur quidem vivere, sed quantum ad sapientiam pertinet, mortuus judicatur; perdidit enim sublimem ipsam quam homini dedit Deus mentem. Ecquid ii qui se magnos et gloriosos putant, quam falsa spe et vanis decipiuntur illecebris, qui alternis se invicem manibus laedunt, spoliani, jugulant, cum tandem et ipsi mortem, quae necessario eis debetur, exspectent? Quid denique de illis viris, quasi de magnis quibusdam et aliorum provisoribus loquar, qui more turpium feminarum variis pigmentorum odoribus oleo membra perfusi foris prodire consueverunt, aeris ipsius puritatem dissolutione propria polluentes? Quid de Stoicis philosophis vestris loquar qui cum omnes auri amore teneantur, vobis tamen admiratione vel laude digni videntur?
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And just as then you drink an excessive amount of undiluted wine beyond what nature requires, so now you desire even a little water, which nature itself demands, only sparingly. We, however, do not seek wine at all; we have water, which alone we want, in which we take the greatest delight, and with which we wisely care for thirst. We do not hasten to rage and go mad; rather, we pray for death more than for drunkenness, through which men must necessarily perish in both body and mind. For a drunkard seems indeed to live, but as far as wisdom is concerned, he is judged dead; he has lost that sublime mind which God gave to man. And what of those who consider themselves great and glorious—how they are deceived by false hope and vain allurements, those who alternately harm, despoil, and slaughter one another with their own hands, while they themselves await the death that is necessarily owed to them? Finally, what shall I say of those men, as if they were some great ones and providers for others, who, in the manner of shameful women, having their limbs anointed with various perfumed oils, are accustomed to go out in public, polluting the very purity of the air with their own corruption? What shall I say of your Stoic philosophers, who, though all are held by love of gold, nevertheless seem to you worthy of admiration or praise?
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Audimus etiam quod a masculis vestris partem quamdam corporis amputatis, in muliebremque sexum illos convertere gestiatis: et quod sit apud vos talis homo, qui neque generare ut vir, neque parere possit ut mulier, et qui In suum tantum dedecus et in suam tantum vivat injuriam. Quis talem humani generis prævaricationem, et tam miserabilem casum etiam cogitando non doleat? Quorum nos miseratione ducti vobis prodesse quantum possumus affectamus: quia et superbiam exsecramur, et universam humani generis naturam diligimus, ac tovemus: et quasi in alto magnificae cujusdam domus sedentes loco, nudi tam mente quam corpore, quoscumque spectatores novimus veritatis, et docemus. Et hoc est in quo caeteris hominibus ditiores nos esse putamus. Macedonia vim omnibus facit, quam tamen priusab aliis ipsa sustinuit. Omnes autem ad deteriora conversi, tarpes famuli judicantur. Sed horum omnium malorurn quæ nominamus, Brachmani videntur expertes. A nullo enim debellari atque expugnari queunt, quia nullius rei desiderio vel amore tenentur. Tu vero si vera vis sapere, ad Indiam veni, habita in solitudinibus nudus, omnes quas diligis, et quibus ornari videris, projiciens dignitates: nam aliter non suscipieris a nobis.
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We also hear that you cut off a certain part of the body from your males and are eager to convert them into the female sex; and that among you there exists such a man, who can neither beget as a man nor give birth as a woman, and who lives only for his own disgrace and only for his own injury. Who would not grieve, even in thought, at such a perversion of the human race and such a pitiable downfall? Moved by compassion for them, we desire to benefit you as much as we can, because we both abhor pride and love and cherish the entire nature of the human race; and, as if seated in a high place of some magnificent house, naked in both mind and body, we know and teach any spectators of truth. And this is in what we consider ourselves richer than other men. Macedonia does violence to all, yet it itself first suffered violence from others. But all who have turned to worse things are judged base slaves. However, of all these evils which we name, the Brachmans seem to have no part. For they cannot be warred against and conquered by anyone, because they are held by no desire or love of any thing. But if you wish to be truly wise, come to India, live naked in the deserts, casting off all the honors which you love and by which you seem to be adorned; for otherwise you will not be received by us.
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Et tunc amabis ea, quaecumque paulo ante vidisti, quaeque miratus es: neque ullus contra te ulterius dimicabit, aut quidquam tuorum tibi auferre quis poterit; neque aliena collatione, neque aliorum sudore pasceris; eris enim in omnibus dives. Et quoniam desiderare te scribis, ut in aliquo tibi prosim: non invidemus illis qui vere pium imitantur Deum. Universam enim humanam ubique naturam volumUs, quantum per nos fieri potest, meliorem evadere. (Aliqua deesse videntur.)
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And then you will love all those things which a little before you saw and wondered at; nor will anyone further contend against you, nor will anyone be able to take away any of your possessions; you will not be fed by others' contribution or by others' sweat, for you will be rich in all things. And since you write that you desire me to be of some use to you, we do not begrudge those who truly imitate a pious God. For we wish the whole human nature everywhere, as far as it is possible for us, to become better. (Some things seem to be missing.)
Citation. Tergwame, “De Moribus Brachmanorum [Incertus]”, stoa0022.stoa037.opp-lat1:1, machine-draft, 2026. https://naxiai.com/christian/works/stoa0022.stoa037.opp-lat1#s1
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